Post by: nddons on August 17, 2016, 08:22:32 AM
I only had the privilege to raise a girl and not a boy, but when I see the boys when my daughter was growing up, I see the young men in the workplace today, I think French is spot on.
The link in the article to a Washington Post article is also a good read.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/439040/male-physical-decline-masculinity-threatened
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on August 17, 2016, 08:49:28 AM
A very good article by David French, and it echoes my observations on the same topic.
I only had the privilege to raise a girl and not a boy, but when I see the boys when my daughter was growing up, I see the young men in the workplace today, I think French is spot on.
The link in the article to a Washington Post article is also a good read.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/439040/male-physical-decline-masculinity-threatened
This is another important component of the Progressive (i.e., Communist) 100 Year Plan to take over the West.
Post by: Little Joe on August 17, 2016, 09:02:49 AM
This is another important component of the Progressive (i.e., Communist) 100 Year Plan to take over the West.My only question is why this is surprising. It has been obvious to the most casual observer for years.
Post by: Jaybird180 on August 17, 2016, 09:38:47 AM
This is another important component of the Progressive (i.e., Communist) 100 Year Plan to take over the West.I read an article a few years ago that at one time DoD experimented with effiminizing adversary countries' militaries with chemicals in the food chain and PsyOps.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on August 17, 2016, 10:43:07 AM
I read an article a few years ago that at one time DoD experimented with effiminizing adversary countries' militaries with chemicals in the food chain and PsyOps.
Nonsense.
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Post by: LevelWing on August 17, 2016, 11:29:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xGoBlI_fdg
Post by: nddons on August 17, 2016, 12:05:51 PM
Excellent article and he's spot on. I like that he was able to connect how the youth of today can still enjoy video games while also still growing up to be men. This article reminded me of this commercial:That's pretty funny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xGoBlI_fdg
Post by: asechrest on August 17, 2016, 12:17:53 PM
Is it "bad" that we are no longer stronger than them? Or is an indication that we no longer need that brute strength, because modern life doesn't call for it in the general population?
Don't get me wrong. Unlike many my age, I have a broad range of interests that include manly things. I just replaced the exhaust pipe, riser, and choke cable on my 20-year-old jet ski after years of saltwater took its toll. I know how to change my oil, and often do it myself. But I can get it done for $20 or less with a coupon at the place down the street. So the last time I was on my back under the car, struggling to break the oil filter housing loose, I had fleeting thoughts that maybe I was an idiot for not utilizing one of the pluses of modern life.
It is the way of the world that this is not your father's time, or your grandfather's time.
Post by: nddons on August 17, 2016, 12:39:17 PM
Most people no longer know how to farm and work the field. How much of this is simply the author recognizing that times have changed, and making the very common, though not necessarily accurate, assumption that this change is negative? Let's look back further than our dads. Let's look a long way back -- say, to early humans. They would have absolutely destroyed us in "grip strength". Or take a look at the chimpanzee, which has incredible upper body strength and can literally rip pieces of our body off with a single hand.I hope you read more into this story than grip strength. Have you not noticed the physiological and sociological changes in young men as a general rule? It's actually quite disturbing.
Is it "bad" that we are no longer stronger than them? Or is an indication that we no longer need that brute strength, because modern life doesn't call for it in the general population?
Don't get me wrong. Unlike many my age, I have a broad range of interests that include manly things. I just replaced the exhaust pipe, riser, and choke cable on my 20-year-old jet ski after years of saltwater took its toll. I know how to change my oil, and often do it myself. But I can get it done for $20 or less with a coupon at the place down the street. So the last time I was on my back under the car, struggling to break the oil filter housing loose, I had fleeting thoughts that maybe I was an idiot for not utilizing one of the pluses of modern life.
It is the way of the world that this is not your father's time, or your grandfather's time.
Post by: LevelWing on August 17, 2016, 12:54:00 PM
I hope you read more into this story than grip strength. Have you not noticed the physiological and sociological changes in young men as a general rule? It's actually quite disturbing.Indeed it is. Progressives want to be all inclusive without accounting for biological and physiological differences between males and females. There is a massive push in the country to make men wimps and it's likely connected to their end goal of having a passive populace that can't or won't resist government rule.
I'm glad technology has evolved and made life easier in many respects, but that doesn't take away the need for men to be men.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on August 17, 2016, 01:32:30 PM
Indeed it is. Progressives want to be all inclusive without accounting for biological and physiological differences between males and females. There is a massive push in the country to make men wimps and it's likely connected to their end goal of having a passive populace that can't or won't resist government rule."ADHD" is a huge part of this.
Post by: Little Joe on August 17, 2016, 01:34:57 PM
"ADHD" is a huge part of this.Is it ADHD, or is it the overdiagnosis and overtreatment?
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 17, 2016, 01:40:05 PM
Is it "bad" that we are no longer stronger than them? Or is an indication that we no longer need that brute strength, because modern life doesn't call for it in the general population?The wimpiness of so many young men is alarming. It seems like a creeping androgeny, even.
What is the ultimate stage of this process?
Remember the Star Trek episode where a whole planet of beings had "evolved" from having bodies into being simply brains resting on pedestals? They lured the Enterprise in to get some bodies they could try to inhabit as a last attempt to survive.
Post by: Little Joe on August 17, 2016, 01:59:08 PM
Most people no longer know how to farm and work the field. How much of this is simply the author recognizing that times have changed, and making the very common, though not necessarily accurate, assumption that this change is negative? Let's look back further than our dads. Let's look a long way back -- say, to early humans. They would have absolutely destroyed us in "grip strength". Or take a look at the chimpanzee, which has incredible upper body strength and can literally rip pieces of our body off with a single hand.One of the problems we have as a nation is rampant illegal immigration. Liberals like to say that is a good thing, because they take jobs Americans don't want. The truth is they take jobs Americans can't handle, because they have become "woosified". If young people weren't so weak, the ones that aren't smart enough to get the modern, high tech jobs could take their pick of a multitude of less glamorous jobs. They may even learn a little maturity and gain real-life skills and be able to earn enough to get an education so they can get one of the better jobs.
Is it "bad" that we are no longer stronger than them? Or is an indication that we no longer need that brute strength, because modern life doesn't call for it in the general population?
Don't get me wrong. Unlike many my age, I have a broad range of interests that include manly things. I just replaced the exhaust pipe, riser, and choke cable on my 20-year-old jet ski after years of saltwater took its toll. I know how to change my oil, and often do it myself. But I can get it done for $20 or less with a coupon at the place down the street. So the last time I was on my back under the car, struggling to break the oil filter housing loose, I had fleeting thoughts that maybe I was an idiot for not utilizing one of the pluses of modern life.
It is the way of the world that this is not your father's time, or your grandfather's time.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on August 17, 2016, 02:01:15 PM
Is it ADHD, or is it the overdiagnosis and overtreatment?
What you said. In the "old days" (pre 1970's) rambunctious boys would be given "something to do" to burn off excess energy. Now they are coerced or forced into drugs.
Post by: Number7 on August 17, 2016, 02:04:38 PM
Post by: asechrest on August 18, 2016, 06:46:28 AM
The wimpiness of so many young men is alarming. It seems like a creeping androgeny, even.
What is the ultimate stage of this process?
Remember the Star Trek episode where a whole planet of beings had "evolved" from having bodies into being simply brains resting on pedestals? They lured the Enterprise in to get some bodies they could try to inhabit as a last attempt to survive.
Even if it is the case that men are becoming less manly (whatever that means), I still contend that much of that is the result of modern life. It may or may not be "bad" overall, but the simple fact is that we are no longer a nation of hunter/gatherers, farmers, or miners and factory workers. Society's need for big, burly manly men with a flowing beard and a pet ox is waning, and that is naturally borne out in the population.
Sure, there is some challenge to the traditional gender role of men. The rampant pressure upon men to be "manly" that was present in the 50s, for example, is being fought against in some circles. Is that "bad"? Women have been questioning the barefoot-and-pregnant role for decades. Shall we tell the female executives of the world to get back in the kitchen and be more womanly?
I read the article in the OP and I can't help but see two things: a struggle with the natural changes that the passage of time brings, combined with a bit of cane shaking at whipper snappers.
Post by: nddons on August 18, 2016, 06:58:45 AM
Indeed it is. Progressives want to be all inclusive without accounting for biological and physiological differences between males and females. There is a massive push in the country to make men wimps and it's likely connected to their end goal of having a passive populace that can't or won't resist government rule.Totally agreed.
I'm glad technology has evolved and made life easier in many respects, but that doesn't take away the need for men to be men.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on August 18, 2016, 07:05:34 AM