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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on March 31, 2016, 07:49:20 AM

Title: Ted Cruz tries to get John Kasich thrown off Montana ballot
Post by: Lucifer on March 31, 2016, 07:49:20 AM
Such an honest down to earth conservative christian.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ted-cruz-tries-to-get-john-kasich-thrown-off-montana-ballot-election-2016/

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Ted Cruz's presidential campaign is trying to knock opponent John Kasich off Montana's primary by questioning signatures the Ohio governor's campaign submitted to qualify for the ballot - another subplot in the unfolding political drama to derailDonald Trump's presidential bid.

Emails obtained by The Associated Press show Cruz campaign officials have raised questions about the 622 signatures submitted by the Kasich campaign. A minimum of 500 valid signatures is required for a presidential candidate to qualify for the Montana ballot.

The Cruz campaign asserts Kasich's petition contains signatures with invalid notaries, improper dates, mismatched phone numbers and illegible names, among other potential discrepancies.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz tries to get John Kasich thrown off Montana ballot
Post by: nddons on March 31, 2016, 08:15:54 AM
Such an honest down to earth conservative christian.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ted-cruz-tries-to-get-john-kasich-thrown-off-montana-ballot-election-2016/
So in your world being a Christian means accepting people who break the rules? 

What about someone who says "I'm Presbyterian. Can you believe it?  Nobody believes I'm Presbyterian. I'm Presbyterian. I'm Presbyterian. I'm Presbyterian!"  What kind of Christian is he?  Oh yea, the kind to sue somebody for saying something negative about him, and then calling his opponent "Lyin' Ted" on a daily basis.  That's the same "Christian" who said "I've never asked God for forgiveness about anything."   

I suggest you stop judging how Christian someone is. You're clearly not very familiar with the topic.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz tries to get John Kasich thrown off Montana ballot
Post by: Lucifer on March 31, 2016, 08:33:29 AM
So in your world being a Christian means accepting people who break the rules? 

What about someone who says "I'm Presbyterian. Can you believe it?  Nobody believes I'm Presbyterian. I'm Presbyterian. I'm Presbyterian. I'm Presbyterian!"  What kind of Christian is he?  Oh yea, the kind to sue somebody for saying something negative about him, and then calling his opponent "Lyin' Ted" on a daily basis.  That's the same "Christian" who said "I've never asked God for forgiveness about anything."   

I suggest you stop judging how Christian someone is. You're clearly not very familiar with the topic.

I can judge how phony someone is and how they use their religion as a campaign tool.   

 You have become a broken record complaining about Trump.  The article (had you actually read it) was about Cruz playing dirty campaign tricks (what's new?) against Kasich.

 When you break a glass do you blame Trump? Stub your toe? Kick a dog?
Title: Re: Ted Cruz tries to get John Kasich thrown off Montana ballot
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 31, 2016, 08:51:45 AM
I guess it was just normal for the Cruz campaign to send out those phony Voter Violation Notices to the good people of Iowa.  All the others did it to right?   
Title: Re: Ted Cruz tries to get John Kasich thrown off Montana ballot
Post by: nddons on March 31, 2016, 09:12:02 AM
I can judge how phony someone is and how they use their religion as a campaign tool.   

 You have become a broken record complaining about Trump.  The article (had you actually read it) was about Cruz playing dirty campaign tricks (what's new?) against Kasich.

 When you break a glass do you blame Trump? Stub your toe? Kick a dog?
How is checking the validity of petitions a dirty trick?  When the Leftists in Wisconsin solicited petitions for a recall petition of Scott Walker, I was among an army of Republicans working to verify the validity of the petitions. Am I a scoundrel for doing so, and not allowing the Democrats to cheat? 

Grow up.

By the way, you can check iverifytherecall.com to check on anyone who signed the petition to recall Scott Walker. The Democrats forgot that these are public records, and freaked out when an army of volunteers indexed the records so you could search them.

So the next time we have someone running for office, or if you want to know about your friends and neighbors' political inclinations, you can check this database.

"Sully" Sullenberger's copilot signed the petition, for example.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz tries to get John Kasich thrown off Montana ballot
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 31, 2016, 09:18:02 AM
"Sully" Sullenberger's copilot signed the petition, for example.

His name is Jeff Skiles BTW.  ;)
Title: Re: Ted Cruz tries to get John Kasich thrown off Montana ballot
Post by: nddons on March 31, 2016, 09:20:25 AM
His name is Jeff Skiles BTW.  ;)
I know. I just didn't want to make it that easy for him to Google search his name and get pissed at us.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz tries to get John Kasich thrown off Montana ballot
Post by: Lucifer on March 31, 2016, 09:21:51 AM
I know. I just didn't want to make it that easy for him to Google search his name and get pissed at us.

You seriously need to seek help from a professional.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz tries to get John Kasich thrown off Montana ballot
Post by: nddons on March 31, 2016, 10:22:19 AM
You seriously need to seek help from a professional.
What a good little Trumpkin.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz tries to get John Kasich thrown off Montana ballot
Post by: LevelWing on March 31, 2016, 10:26:30 AM
Kasich is hurting the party at this point. He has no chance of winning the delegates outright before the convention so he's hoping for a contested convention with the hopes that he'll get the nomination. It helps that it's in his home state.

If there is a legitimate issue with the signatures then by all means look into it. Given the fact that Cruz is cutting it close to the deadline, he better make a decision quick. He also needs to decide if this is worth the effort and resources in a state that doesn't offer many delegates. Then again it just goes to show how important every remaining state is for Cruz and Kasich in their attempts to stop Trump.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz tries to get John Kasich thrown off Montana ballot
Post by: JeffDG on March 31, 2016, 10:27:40 AM
What a good little Trumpkin.
No, no...don't you listen.  He doesn't support Trump.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz tries to get John Kasich thrown off Montana ballot
Post by: Number7 on March 31, 2016, 12:02:53 PM
I don't think I have seen an election year where the two candidates leading the primary fight are so undesirable.
Sometimes I think of 1968 and remember George Wallace, Hubert Humphrey, and Richard Nixon and wonder if it was worse, but convince myself otherwise.
It is so damned ugly a suicide run for the nomination would seem to be all that's left.
Title: Re: Ted Cruz tries to get John Kasich thrown off Montana ballot
Post by: Gary on March 31, 2016, 12:40:59 PM
How is checking the validity of petitions a dirty trick?  When the Leftists in Wisconsin solicited petitions for a recall petition of Scott Walker, I was among an army of Republicans working to verify the validity of the petitions. Am I a scoundrel for doing so, and not allowing the Democrats to cheat? 

Kudos to you for taking the personal effort to get involved in the process!  Wish more did.  Just as a matter of interest, how many signatures were found to be invalid?

Gary
Title: Re: Ted Cruz tries to get John Kasich thrown off Montana ballot
Post by: nddons on March 31, 2016, 01:10:15 PM
Kudos to you for taking the personal effort to get involved in the process!  Wish more did.  Just as a matter of interest, how many signatures were found to be invalid?

Gary
Thanks!  It was pretty interesting.

I don't know how many were bounced  it was a complete clusterfuck. The Government Accountability Board, which was supposed to be a nonpartisan board of retired judges, proved itself totally partisan.

Here's a good write-up. (I was one of the 10,000 volunteers):

"The GAB has taken much criticism for their role in the recall process and their initial plans to minimally check the recall petitions before certifying them.  At one point, a GAB staff member even indicated that Mickey Mouse and Adolf Hitler would be deemed valid signatures based upon their review.  As a result, a Waukesha County judge then forced the GAB to do a more rigorous review by looking for and striking duplicate signatures, illegible signatures, and fake names.

"Due to the numerous concerns about recall fraud, both the Republican Party of Wisconsin and a group called “Verify the Recall” announced that they would be reviewing the recall signatures.  “Verify the Recall” is an independent effort of Wisconsin Tea Party groups to check the validity of all signatures submitted in the gubernatorial recall.  “Verify the Recall” said they have over 10,000 volunteers to help their verification efforts.

"The GAB completed scanning the four Senate Recalls on Friday. They posted the first round of scanned recall petitions online Friday evening, which marks the first time the public has had access to any of the recall petitions.

"Almost immediately, reports starting popping up of apparent fraud as the public starting parsing through the thousands of pages of recall petitions.  One example was mentioned that on Sen. Galloway’s recall petition, two consecutive pages (1484 and 1485) have the same four signatures, four addresses, and were signed by the same circulator.  Another example is that a man signed Sen. Scott Fitzgerald’s petition even though he resides outside of his district."

http://mediatrackers.org/wisconsin/2012/01/22/recall-verification-begins-duplicates-invalid-signatures-found-early
Title: Re: Ted Cruz tries to get John Kasich thrown off Montana ballot
Post by: Gary on March 31, 2016, 03:47:08 PM
Thanks!  It was pretty interesting.

I image it was!

I don't know how many were bounced  it was a complete clusterfuck. The Government Accountability Board, which was supposed to be a nonpartisan board of retired judges, proved itself totally partisan.

I hear you on that. Of course, partisanship is usually in the eye of the partisan!  Always thought those general, public petition drives were fluky.  Poorly worded, the volunteers have an agenda, and the "signers" could pretty much sign any name they wanted.  Did they have photo ID? - that'll solve the problem!  ;D ;D

Gary