PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 23, 2023, 04:26:48 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBzc0xoUDKg
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I retired from an airline in 2013 but it started years before 2013. Before the 1500 hour rule we were hiring pilots with fewer than 300 hours. They were great on automation but kick the auto pilot off and watch out. They eventually got up to speed as time went on and most were competent after a period of time. It’s probably worse now. I still instruct at a flight school and the young CFIs are instructing just to get to 1500 hours which is the quicker way of accumulating flight time. I personally think flying corporate or 135 would give them better all around experience as a pilot but they want the time quickly. So glad I’m gone, for this reason and other reasons.
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Mostly white, but still checking the boxes.
https://notthebee.com/article/united-airlines-posted-this-video-showing-a-rainbow-flag-being-painted-on-an-airplane-to-celebrate-an-all-lgbtq-flight-crew-
United Airlines is super duper proud of how super duper Inclusive™ they are.
Here's one of their planes getting a rainbow flag to celebrate a flight from San Francisco (of course) to Australia with an entirely LGBT flight crew!
I know when I'm booking a flight, my first question is usually "How gay is the pilot?"
Can they even fly? Probably. But who cares?
As long as they are all on the LGBTQ+ spectrum, what does it matter if they crash?
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Mostly white, but still checking the boxes.
https://notthebee.com/article/united-airlines-posted-this-video-showing-a-rainbow-flag-being-painted-on-an-airplane-to-celebrate-an-all-lgbtq-flight-crew-
It will be the first to be shot down when the Civil War begins.
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Mostly white, but still checking the boxes.
https://notthebee.com/article/united-airlines-posted-this-video-showing-a-rainbow-flag-being-painted-on-an-airplane-to-celebrate-an-all-lgbtq-flight-crew-
Makes Flying United seem a whole lot dirtier than it did before I saw that.
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Fly Untied?
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At least on that flight you don't have to wonder if the male flight attendants are gay and if it's worth hitting on the female flight attendants.
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At least on that flight you don't have to wonder if the male flight attendants are gay and if it's worth hitting on the female flight attendants.
Unless YOU are a woman. ;)
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There is a small percent of straight men I would trust to pilot a plane I was a passenger on.
There is an even smaller percent of straight women I’d trust.
The percent of gay men I’d trust is roughly equal to the percent of straight women.
The percent of gay women (lesbians) I’d trust would be greater than straight women or gay men, but not as high as straight men.
I have not yet met a trans I’d trust. Sorry. I’ve known many and loved some, but they are screwed up, each and every one. They’re a mess, and do not belong in a cockpit. But I could be wrong. If I meet one some day that I think is cool headed enough to pilot my plane I’ll let you know.
If you think I’m being misogynistic and homo/transphobic, keep in mind that in my first statement I said I don’t trust most straight men so fuck right off.
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We know you're not Trans nor Homophic Rush. Neither am I. I work with a Trans and we're friendly and talk about work, cars, music, etc. Normal stuff. But she is totally messed up and talks about how depressed and suicidal she is weekly. I wouldn't trust her to drive my lawn tractor. Seriously.
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We know you're not Trans nor Homophic Rush. Neither am I. I work with a Trans and we're friendly and talk about work, cars, music, etc. Normal stuff. But she is totally messed up and talks about how depressed and suicidal she is weekly. I wouldn't trust her to drive my lawn tractor. Seriously.
Transsexual is a disorder of the mind and was a mental disorder until it was politically incorrect to notice it anymore.
Who wants a mental case flying them anywhere?
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I never thought to look it up, but there is a web site dedicated to "lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender aviation professionals and enthusiasts":
https://www.ngpa.org/ (https://www.ngpa.org/)
Also turns out that the FAA required the first transgender commercial pilot to undergo a battery of psychology tests:
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/faa-psychological-exam-policy-transgender-pilots/story?id=17030092 (https://abcnews.go.com/Health/faa-psychological-exam-policy-transgender-pilots/story?id=17030092)
The policy was later modified but the FAA 2023 Guide For Aviation Medical Examiners (https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/aam/ame/guide/media/AME_GUIDE.pdf) does have a section on Gender Dysphoria. If the person had a gender change over 5 years prior to the medical examine AND "If there is no evidence of a mental health diagnosis and the airman is doing well on current treatment: " the examiner may issue a medical.
Under 5 years or a history of mental health issues (other than gender dysphoria) then the applicant gets to go through FAA Aerospace Medical hell.
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There is a small percent of straight men I would trust to pilot a plane I was a passenger on.
There is an even smaller percent of straight women I’d trust.
The percent of gay men I’d trust is roughly equal to the percent of straight women.
The percent of gay women (lesbians) I’d trust would be greater than straight women or gay men, but not as high as straight men.
I have not yet met a trans I’d trust. Sorry. I’ve known many and loved some, but they are screwed up, each and every one. They’re a mess, and do not belong in a cockpit. But I could be wrong. If I meet one some day that I think is cool headed enough to pilot my plane I’ll let you know.
If you think I’m being misogynistic and homo/transphobic, keep in mind that in my first statement I said I don’t trust most straight men so fuck right off.
I have no idea how a tranny would get a class 1 medical. Just yesterday gender dysphoria was a mental health problem.
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I seriously don’t care what the politicians that control the faa policies think about mental illness and trannys.
There is no way I would trust a mental case to fly me anywhere. An airline hiring trannies would be crossed off my list instantly.
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All the cases of suicide-by-pilot that I recall were committed by men who were born male.
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All the cases of suicide-by-pilot that I recall were committed by men who were born male.
Statistics. We've all had Stat courses in college and/or use them in our career. What do you think the total population of Male pilots vs. Trans pilots has been or is now? What percentage have been Trans? I guarantee to a Statistician the percentage of Trans to Male is statistically INSIGNIFICANT.
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All the cases of suicide-by-pilot that I recall were committed by men who were born male.
This another attempt to avoid the facts by pretending to post something thoughtful?
As far as I know, everyone who died is dead, too…
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All the cases of suicide-by-pilot that I recall were committed by men who were born male.
That’s because the overwhelming majority of pilots are men who were born male and the number of suicides by pilot is vanishingly tiny so it’s a meaningless statistic. The actual suicide rate among trans is many times higher than among “cis” people.
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I never thought to look it up, but there is a web site dedicated to "lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender aviation professionals and enthusiasts":
https://www.ngpa.org/ (https://www.ngpa.org/)
Also turns out that the FAA required the first transgender commercial pilot to undergo a battery of psychology tests:
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/faa-psychological-exam-policy-transgender-pilots/story?id=17030092 (https://abcnews.go.com/Health/faa-psychological-exam-policy-transgender-pilots/story?id=17030092)
The policy was later modified but the FAA 2023 Guide For Aviation Medical Examiners (https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/aam/ame/guide/media/AME_GUIDE.pdf) does have a section on Gender Dysphoria. If the person had a gender change over 5 years prior to the medical examine AND "If there is no evidence of a mental health diagnosis and the airman is doing well on current treatment: " the examiner may issue a medical.
Under 5 years or a history of mental health issues (other than gender dysphoria) then the applicant gets to go through FAA Aerospace Medical hell.
Yes, I thought the FAA was now certifying trans. Like I said if I ever meet one I think isn’t whacked I’ll let you know. A prime candidate is Caitlyn Jenner but I haven’t met her. But she might qualify because 1) She didn’t come out as trans until way late in life. You don’t come out in your 60s from adolescent peer pressure. So she is genuine trans (as opposed to pseudo which is almost always a symptom of primary depression/ anxiety disorder). 2) She is a conservative which suggests logical and level headed as opposed to woke left which indicates someone who is facts and reality challenged.
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All the cases of suicide-by-pilot that I recall were committed by men who were born male.
Do you have any idea how many of those men that were born mail male were suffering from gender dysphoria and may have been future candidates for transition therapy?
edit: fixed stupid typo
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Do you have any idea how many of those men that were born mail were suffering from gender dysphoria and may have been future candidates for transition therapy?
I just found out Bob John Denver was flying with a revoked medical when he died. Not that that has anything to do with this thread.
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I just found out Bob Denver was flying with a revoked medical when he died. Not that that has anything to do with this thread.
Bob Denver was Gillian.
John Denver was a singer and pilot.
I’m sure jim would have been along to correct you by now, seeing as how his libertarian principles are so precious.
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So here is why my trust level in various categories of people varies. I believe everyone has a mix of what are thought of as primarily “masculine” and “feminine” characteristics. On balance it seems I lean toward masculine features being more suited to piloting. But these are generalities, either gender can be high or low in any of these as individuals. For example even though I’m female, I can completely shut down emotion in an emergency and take needed action. I view that as a “masculine” feature.
Masculine:
Faster decision making, linear thinking, better at staying on critical path
Tendency for better motor skills
More interest in hands on mechanical stuff hence better understanding of the plane’s systems
Better at keeping emotion out of situations
More reckless and risk taking
Can pee in a bottle
Feminine:
More cautious, means better judgment about taking off in the first place
More detail oriented and precise which can be good or bad depending on the context
Better at instantaneously grasping the big picture, brain thinks more holistically
More aware of physical needs, more nurturing, more likely to bring snacks
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Yes, I thought the FAA was now certifying trans. Like I said if I ever meet one I think isn’t whacked I’ll let you know. A prime candidate is Caitlyn Jenner but I haven’t met her. But she might qualify because 1) She didn’t come out as trans until way late in life. You don’t come out in your 60s from adolescent peer pressure. So she is genuine trans (as opposed to pseudo which is almost always a symptom of primary depression/ anxiety disorder). 2) She is a conservative which suggests logical and level headed as opposed to woke left which indicates someone who is facts and reality challenged.
You are operating under the misconception (no pun) that being a "trans" isn't in and of itself a mental health problem.
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Bob Denver was Gillian.
John Denver was a singer and pilot.
I’m sure jim would have been along to correct you by now, seeing as how his libertarian principles are so precious.
When I typed that I had not finished my coffee. My brain got stuck on Bob for some reason. Maybe it’s because my husband has Gilligan’s Island on the TV in the other room.
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You are operating under the misconception (no pun) that being a "trans" isn't in and of itself a mental health problem.
No I’m not, but some mental health problems are certifiable if they can be treated to the FAA’s satisfaction. For example simple depression under the SSRI pathway. True trans can be (not always) successfully treated by living as the opposite gender. This is not to say that I agree with the FAA’s position on it. I cannot be confident that the FAA isn’t tainted by wokology.*
*by that I mean putting “diversity and inclusion” before safety
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All the cases of suicide-by-pilot that I recall were committed by men who were born male.
Because there are no trans pilots at this time.
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Statistics. We've all had Stat courses in college and/or use them in our career. What do you think the total population of Male pilots vs. Trans pilots has been or is now? What percentage have been Trans? I guarantee to a Statistician the percentage of Trans to Male is statistically INSIGNIFICANT.
Agree with your argument. My post was made partly in jest. I was thinking more in terms of male vs female ATPs, not transgender ATPs.
While I've only read of one trans pilot, women have been pilots for many decades, but there are only about 5% female ATPs. There haven't been enough such suicides for any suicidal women pilots to show up in the stats. One study counted only 24 such suicide incidents in a 20 year period.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/suicide-airplane-its-rare-it-happens-180952198/ (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/suicide-airplane-its-rare-it-happens-180952198/)
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Agree with your argument. My post was made partly in jest. I was thinking more in terms of male vs female ATPs, not transgender ATPs.
While I've only read of one trans pilot, women have been pilots for many decades, but there are only about 5% female ATPs. There haven't been enough such suicides for any suicidal women pilots to show up in the stats. One study counted only 24 such suicide incidents in a 20 year period.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/suicide-airplane-its-rare-it-happens-180952198/ (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/suicide-airplane-its-rare-it-happens-180952198/)
Ah that makes sense.
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That’s because the overwhelming majority of pilots are men who were born male and the number of suicides by pilot is vanishingly tiny so it’s a meaningless statistic. The actual suicide rate among trans is many times higher than among “cis” people.
Oh dear God. I can’t stand that term. It’s a made-up term to avoid saying the correct term which is “normal.”
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Oh dear God. I can’t stand that term. It’s a made-up term to avoid saying the correct term which is “normal.”
This will make your head explode, if you can decipher it
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Oh dear God. I can’t stand that term. It’s a made-up term to avoid saying the correct term which is “normal.”
I'd previously only seen cis and trans used in chemistry nomenclature. I did not understand the meaning of cis the first time I saw it used with gender. "Cis" means "this side of" and trans means "the other side of" which don't add any insight without inventing new definitions for the words.
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Oh dear God. I can’t stand that term. It’s a made-up term to avoid saying the correct term which is “normal.”
We're all "strongly recommended" to refer to these LGBPTQXYZ people by their identity. Bi, fluid, liquid, auto trans, manual trans, furry, high wing, low wing, whatever. Regardless of how we actually feel about it. I would love to say "I identify as normal" and if it makes the other person uncomfortable, too bad. That's how I identify. Live with it.
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This will make your head explode, if you can decipher it
That face needs to be punched.
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That face needs to be punched.
My guess is that it probably has been. Had he gone to my high school, it definitely would have been.
(Not that I would condone such).
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Agree with your argument. My post was made partly in jest. I was thinking more in terms of male vs female ATPs, not transgender ATPs.
While I've only read of one trans pilot, women have been pilots for many decades, but there are only about 5% female ATPs. There haven't been enough such suicides for any suicidal women pilots to show up in the stats. One study counted only 24 such suicide incidents in a 20 year period.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/suicide-airplane-its-rare-it-happens-180952198/ (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/suicide-airplane-its-rare-it-happens-180952198/)
Got it. Thanks!
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This will make your head explode, if you can decipher it
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/e48mcLfU9zgFq/giphy.gif)
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We're all "strongly recommended" to refer to these LGBPTQXYZ people by their identity. Bi, fluid, liquid, auto trans, manual trans, furry, high wing, low wing, whatever. Regardless of how we actually feel about it. I would love to say "I identify as normal" and if it makes the other person uncomfortable, too bad. That's how I identify. Live with it.
^^^BINGO^^^
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This will make your head explode, if you can decipher it
These people are no different than an old guy on a loud Harley, they just want someone to look at them.
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These people are no different than an old guy on a loud Harley, they just want someone to look at them.
They are different. The old guy knows he has a little dick. He's not trying to cut it off, just compensating for it.
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This will make your head explode, if you can decipher it
Just another mentally ill Fag.
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Seriously, when are the 99% normals gonna stop letting the 1% mentally challenged from ordering us around and making ridiculous demands?
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Seriously, when are the 99% normals gonna stop letting the 1% mentally challenged from ordering us around and making ridiculous demands?
People need to speak up more but they’re getting fired from their jobs when they do and even being dropped by banks and businesses because this shit has got deep into corporate boardrooms and HR departments and it’s completely taken over the entire educational system.
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This will make your head explode, if you can decipher it
That's a man, man!
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And not just cockpits! Top administrators too.
https://twitter.com/lonestarherd/status/1631661293651345410
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And not just cockpits! Top administrators too.
https://twitter.com/lonestarherd/status/1631661293651345410
If cockpit is sexist, shouldn’t we be calling them, vagina spreaders?
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https://babylonbee.com/news/female-pilot-hoping-the-check-engine-light-will-just-go-out-eventually
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https://babylonbee.com/news/female-pilot-hoping-the-check-engine-light-will-just-go-out-eventually
Haha! My sister literally did that but in her defense she did google it and then opened the hood and discovered a nest of squirrels in there.
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OK...........
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OK...........
NO.
There is no way in hell I believe you didn’t put diversity and inclusion above merit. That does not make me want to fly on that plane.
Oooooooo vaginas I’m so happy, no toxic men driving this machine. Yay I feel so much safer! Heeeheeeheeee. We don’t need no stinkin men.
I bet most of the baggage handlers and maintenance mechanics are still men and fuel truck drivers and petroleum engineers that make the jet A and the crews that maintain the runways and asphalt and etc etc etc etc
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Fuck No!
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They also look way too young. Same thing is happening to doctors. Whippersnappers they are.
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And the madness continues. All female crew on the SpaceX recovery ship. Why is this suddenly a thing?
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BLECH!! That would ruin the whole job for me. I hate women. One of the things I loved best about my career was it was 97% men. I get along fine with men. Women are petty, backstabbing, gossiping, cliquish and miserable in groups, just fucking miserable.
I can be friends with a woman, one on one, if she’s not a woke wacko. But groups of females? I have never been able to tolerate, never. An all female crew like that would have me quitting.
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And don't even THINK of getting near that ship when their cycles sync.
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And don't even THINK of getting near that ship when their cycles sync.
Yea, we have an all female radio station here.
The programming is 3 weeks of blues followed by a week of ragtime........... ;)
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BLECH!! That would ruin the whole job for me. I hate women. One of the things I loved best about my career was it was 97% men. I get along fine with men. Women are petty, backstabbing, gossiping, cliquish and miserable in groups, just fucking miserable.
I can be friends with a woman, one on one, if she’s not a woke wacko. But groups of females? I have never been able to tolerate, never. An all female crew like that would have me quitting.
My wife and daughter feel the exact same way. When my daughter was a dairy veterinarian, she relished working out of her vet truck and dealing with the farmers vs the drama inside the clinic. Now she’s in a small animal clinic where 100% of the vet techs are women, and some are the epitome of gossipy women you’d find in an office.
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And the madness continues. All female crew on the SpaceX recovery ship. Why is this suddenly a thing?
Perhaps this is a good thing.
Either women will turn out to be way more capable and dependable than white men,
Or people will have to stop blaming everything that goes wrong on white men.
I've been telling my wife for 30 years that the women's lib movement is orchestrated by men, and all of this "first woman to . . . " stuff is just part of the plan. Once fully implemented, we can stay home, watch TV or surf the internet, go to lunch with a group of other men, fly our airplanes and begin living longer than them. The maids can use the automatic dishwashers, washer and dryer, central vac and all the other conveniences that men created to do the housework.
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Unfortunately I think it’s going to backlash bad. It already has. Things like the MGTOW movement. The more women take over the world and fuck it up the more men will hate them and eventually take power back and like all oppressed people who rise to empowerment will overcompensate and become the new oppressors.
In 100 years women in America will be like women in Afghanistan right now, banned from school and jobs except they will have no one to blame but themselves.
You see this with the LBGTetc movement. Acceptance of gays and trans was coming along fine until they got overly pushy about it, started trying to make everyone including little kids un-straight and now you have constant legal and verbal attacks from the right that just was not happening ten years ago.
Oppressed people never learn, they don’t stop at equality. They want revenge and to reverse the power imbalance so they’re on top. So their targets naturally fight back and start hating them and trying to oppress them again.
There’s no hope for mankind, I guess it’s the way we are. We subdivide by random markers (skin color, religion, gender, sexual preference, and if nothing visible applies, ancestry or language or simply “class”). We are hierarchical by nature and will always climb over others to get to the top justifying it by proclaiming past victimhood.
There is no greater myth and lie than female victimhood. What they claim was “patriarchy” was in fact men supplying the energy and technology to support women who were busy reproducing. Birth control took away woman’s role so women filled the void by intruding on men’s occupations: You will note it was rarely the dangerous unpleasant ones. No, they focused on positions of influence and political power, becoming the new oppressors and in this case were never actually oppressed by anything other than their own biology.
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There is a small percent of straight men I would trust to pilot a plane I was a passenger on.
There is an even smaller percent of straight women I’d trust.
The percent of gay men I’d trust is roughly equal to the percent of straight women.
The percent of gay women (lesbians) I’d trust would be greater than straight women or gay men, but not as high as straight men.
I have not yet met a trans I’d trust. Sorry. I’ve known many and loved some, but they are screwed up, each and every one. They’re a mess, and do not belong in a cockpit. But I could be wrong. If I meet one some day that I think is cool headed enough to pilot my plane I’ll let you know.
If you think I’m being misogynistic and homo/transphobic, keep in mind that in my first statement I said I don’t trust most straight men so fuck right off.
https://gab.com/RealStewPeters/posts/110491900854567952
Looking at the before picture, yes, I’d say MENTALLY UNSTABLE. He’s a no-fly for me.
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And don't even THINK of getting near that ship when their cycles sync.
Now that's scary. Love when airplanes are referred to as "ships" like the old days. :)
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From the comments:
Argentina National AirLine… ANAL.
haha