PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Little Joe on November 14, 2019, 12:12:57 PM
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https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/saugus-high-school-shooting-police-southern-california-today-2019-11-14-live-stream-updates/?FTAG=CNM-00-10aba5f
I know we all like say that schools are easy targets because the are "gun free zones". And I'm sure there is a lot of truth to that, but there must be other reasons. What do you think those other reasons are?
Is it the way students are taught that they are all "special" and deserve a participation trophy, yet other kids still pick on them and they are not prepared to handle it?
Is it because so many of them are placed on psychotic meds rather than being disciplined and thus believe they are psychotic?
Is it because Trump said Pussy?
Are those bad guns spontaneously firing themselves?
Is it that there really are no more shootings than there always have been, but now it is just reported more often and more continuously?
I could come up with dozens or reasons, but other than the "gun free zone" argument, why do you think we keep having these schools shootings?
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California has the strictest gun AND ammunition laws in the country, including so called "assault weapons" ban, ammunition background checks and no way to get a carry permit unless you are politically connected.
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The IG report on FISA Abuse is about to be released according to Barr.
Hmmmmmmmm
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First, school shootings are still a rare event. Your "keep having these" phrase implies that shootings are commonplace. The frequency of school shootings and mass shootings are grossly overstated by the anti-gun zealots.
Second, notoriety has been a motive in many mass shootings. Investigators have seen a pattern when looking at some mass shooters, that is, the interest in what other shooters have done and the fame.
Third, for whatever reason, our society doesn't seem to value the lives of other people. Compare the murder rate in Japan to the US murder rate. If you substract the US murders where the murderer used a gun (and assumed that the murderer wouldn't find another means), the US murder rate would still be three times higher than Japan's.
I suspect that notoriety is a big motive, followed by revenge for some wrong (real or imagined).
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First, school shootings are still a rare event. Your "keep having these" phrase implies that shootings are commonplace. The frequency of school shootings and mass shootings are grossly overstated by the anti-gun zealots.
Second, notoriety has been a motive in many mass shootings. Investigators have seen a pattern when looking at some mass shooters, that is, the interest in what other shooters have done and the fame.
Third, for whatever reason, our society doesn't seem to value the lives of other people. Compare the murder rate in Japan to the US murder rate. If you substract the US murders where the murderer used a gun (and assumed that the murderer wouldn't find another means), the US murder rate would still be three times higher than Japan's.
I suspect that notoriety is a big motive, followed by revenge for some wrong (real or imagined).
This. Although I'd put it at #1 instead of #3 (if we're ranking them). People have started to care about other humans less and less over successive generations. There is little sense of community, little desire to connect with others especially if their views/priorities are different from our own. Sure, there will always be killings as a result of revenge/mania. However, killing dozens of students because one bully hurt their self-esteem, or because they didn't like their religion, etc. stem from a lack of compassion for fellow humans. I can dislike someone a lot, but never even contemplate murder or sever bodily harm. People think retaliation is the only course of action, when it rarely changes anything for the better.
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First, school shootings are still a rare event. Your "keep having these" phrase implies that shootings are commonplace. The frequency of school shootings and mass shootings are grossly overstated by the anti-gun zealots.
That's why one of my speculations was that they aren't really happening more often, they are just reported more zealously.
Second, notoriety has been a motive in many mass shootings. Investigators have seen a pattern when looking at some mass shooters, that is, the interest in what other shooters have done and the fame.
And that has to do with the overzealous reporting.
Third, for whatever reason, our society doesn't seem to value the lives of other people. Compare the murder rate in Japan to the US murder rate. If you substract the US murders where the murderer used a gun (and assumed that the murderer wouldn't find another means), the US murder rate would still be three times higher than Japan's.
That may also have to do with Japan's homogeneous society. People tend to trust and get along better with people that look, talk and act like them. The melting pot idea may be a good idea, but liberals are doing everything they can do divide us into separate groups. Think "cultural appropriation" or "reparations" or any of the other ways they are trying to "celebrate our differences" rather than to bring every one together.
I suspect that notoriety is a big motive, followed by revenge for some wrong (real or imagined).
Revenge for imagined slights are big on my list. The acceptance of "micro aggression" as a term justifies it.
So far, nothing have seen shows that guns are the problem. They are just one of the tools of people that have problems.
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These are suicides that due to MEDIA ATTENTION and today's "look at me" social media environment, instead of hanging themselves or shooting themselves in the basement, they go on a rampage.
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Fake news. Everyone knows that a 15 year old cannot have a gun in California and that schools are gun free zones. It's against the law, so it's impossible for him to have a gun or to take it onto school property.
Just more leftist cancel culture. If you don't agree with something, destroy it.
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“Never let a good crisis go to waste.”
All democrats
Allegedly news of this shooting broke exactly while democrats were grandstanding and calling for unanimous consent to advance a universal background check bill. A GOP Senator from MS filibustered it, causing the democrats to lose their minds.
https://www.bing.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/4193955002
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https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/saugus-high-school-shooting-police-southern-california-today-2019-11-14-live-stream-updates/?FTAG=CNM-00-10aba5f
I know we all like say that schools are easy targets because the are "gun free zones". And I'm sure there is a lot of truth to that, but there must be other reasons. What do you think those other reasons are?
My dark tin foil hat version? The left is somehow goading these mentally unstable people into committing acts of violence to further the no guns agenda.
Yeah, that's far left field, but sometimes I do go Hmmmm over this stuff...
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There are actually fewer now than before.
https://www.npr.org/2018/03/15/593831564/the-disconnect-between-perceived-danger-in-u-s-schools-and-reality
From the article:
Fox and doctoral student Emma Fridel crunched the numbers, and the results should come as a relief to parents.
First, while multiple-victim shootings in general are on the rise, that's not the case in schools. There's an average of about one a year — in a country with more than 100,000 schools.
"There were more back in the '90s than in recent years," says Fox. "For example, in one school year — 1997-98 — there were four multiple-victim shootings in schools."
Second, the overall number of gunshot victims at schools is also down. According to Fox's numbers, back in the 1992-93 school year, about 0.55 students per million were shot and killed; in 2014-15, that rate was closer to 0.15 per million.
"The difference is the impression, the perception that people have," Fox says — and he traces that to cable news and social media. "Today we have cell phone recordings of gunfire that play over and over and over again. So it's that the impression is very different. That's why people think things are a lot worse now, but the statistics say otherwise."
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My dark tin foil hat version? The left is somehow goading these mentally unstable people into committing acts of violence to further the no guns agenda.
Yeah, that's far left field, but sometimes I do go Hmmmm over this stuff...
I'm not ready to say that, but the timing is always really suspect. However, I will say for certain, there is a FIFTH COLUMN operating in the U.S. and it is 98% of the MEDIA.
The Media encourages these shootings. In reality they make up a pittance of the deaths from people illegally shot by guns. Go look at the Inner City Black on Black murder with multiple Felons using guns to kill, That's where the vast majority occur.
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I’m sure they aren’t causing the shootings, but they sure do take the opportunities when they happen to push the anti gun agenda.
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There are actually fewer now than before.
https://www.npr.org/2018/03/15/593831564/the-disconnect-between-perceived-danger-in-u-s-schools-and-reality
From the article:
Fox and doctoral student Emma Fridel crunched the numbers, and the results should come as a relief to parents.
First, while multiple-victim shootings in general are on the rise, that's not the case in schools. There's an average of about one a year — in a country with more than 100,000 schools.
"There were more back in the '90s than in recent years," says Fox. "For example, in one school year — 1997-98 — there were four multiple-victim shootings in schools."
Second, the overall number of gunshot victims at schools is also down. According to Fox's numbers, back in the 1992-93 school year, about 0.55 students per million were shot and killed; in 2014-15, that rate was closer to 0.15 per million.
"The difference is the impression, the perception that people have," Fox says — and he traces that to cable news and social media. "Today we have cell phone recordings of gunfire that play over and over and over again. So it's that the impression is very different. That's why people think things are a lot worse now, but the statistics say otherwise."
Wow, that is interesting. And it is from NPR no less. I appreciated your summary and I will have to go back and read that article later when I have more time.
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The more that's coming out on this, the less I think it's a school shooting and the more I think it's a shooting that occurred in a school. It appears the two people who were killed were a very specific target, not random.
I'm thinking someone lost a girlfriend and decided that he could fix it.
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It was the shooter's birthday. Not sure how that plays into it.
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Wow, that is interesting. And it is from NPR no less. I appreciated your summary and I will have to go back and read that article later when I have more time.
What I summarized is part of the article, I just didn't put it in the quote box because I was on my iPad and it's a royal pain to try select and quote stuff on the ipad.
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The more that's coming out on this, the less I think it's a school shooting and the more I think it's a shooting that occurred in a school. It appears the two people who were killed were a very specific target, not random.
I'm thinking someone lost a girlfriend and decided that he could fix it.
Note that some "researchers" include any shooting that occurs on school property even when school is not in session (e.g., late at night or during the summer or during the weekend)
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Note that some "researchers" include any shooting that occurs on school property even when school is not in session (e.g., late at night or during the summer or during the weekend)
They also capture shootings within a block of the school that are not school related, but often Gang and Drug related or are purely revenge shootings. None involving actual students.
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I read a long and interesting article on the psychology of the Columbine shooters. I am willing to bet that all school shooters have similar issues. In the case of Columbine it was two of them. The conclusion was that the one (can't remember which) fit the profile of psychopathy and the other, severe depression, leaving him vulnerable to being led around by the first. A narcissistic psychopath of course, has no empathy for others, and also blames others for his own faults. He also likes to call attention to himself (grandiosity) and of course shooting up a school makes you instantly (in)famous. The one who was depressed was co-dependent on the other and there is a thing called: "'Shared Paranoid Disorder', which is believed to occur when groups or pairs of people are isolated from the world, developing paranoia, and in which one partner dominates the other." (copied from somewhere in wikipedia) The Columbine shooters were relatively isolated socially, and spent a lot of time together playing video games (which were wrongly blamed as the cause).
In the case of lone shooters, I haven't read such a good article on lone shooters but I bet one or the other of these disorders is featured, or both. It's an act of desperation, when depression becomes so intolerable it results in a violent act, and lack of empathy or care for your victims.