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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on October 11, 2019, 02:05:01 PM
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Please, take Judge Napalitano, Chris Wallace and Juan Williams with you.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/juliorosas/2019/10/11/fox-news-shepard-smith-is-leaving-the-network-n2554606
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He's been on Fox News since the beginning in 1996, and at a Fox affiliate before that. It's odd that he would just pull the plug, and not fulfill a very lucrative contract, not that he really needs the money. My guess is he will end up on one of the networks like Megyn Kelly.
I think he's a talented news presenter. However, he let his far left bias bleed through into his news reporting which I thought was unprofessional. I also found him a bit smarmy, and self righteous, but whatever.
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He's been on Fox News since the beginning in 1996, and at a Fox affiliate before that. It's odd that he would just pull the plug, and not fulfill a very lucrative contract, not that he really needs the money. My guess is he will end up on one of the networks like Megyn Kelly.
I think he's a talented news presenter. However, he let his far left bias bleed through into his news reporting which I thought was unprofessional. I also found him a bit smarmy, and self righteous, but whatever.
I got his number when he became a drama queen during the coverage of Hurricane Katrina.
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I’d suspect he was about to be outed for some kind of ‘me too,’ offense involving boys, or men. Shepherd Smith is a bit like Kevin Spacey in that regard, iirc.
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I got his number when he became a drama queen during the coverage of Hurricane Katrina.
I watched that coverage, and him freaking out constantly. I thought the same thing. He blamed Bush also while New Orleans's Mayor Nagan was the real culprit, as was the Governor. Total irresponsible and sensationalistic coverage. Not journalism, but propaganda. I was surprised Fox allowed it, but they were probably leading in the ratings.
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I’d suspect he was about to be put3d for some kind of ‘me too,’ offense involving boys, or men. Shepherd Smith is a bit like Kevin Spacey in that regard, iirc.
Speaking of, nobody’s even mentioned Matt Lauer. I guess it’s just too common anymore. I think I’d be terrified to be a wealthy male these days. Especially if you’ve worked with females and most especially if you’ve paid any of them attention. Hey, not saying I do or don’t “believe her”. It’s just awfully suspicious when a woman gets drunk and voluntarily goes to a man’s hotel room, does not file a police report but instead proceeds to have an extramarital affair with that same man. It’s just a little hard to believe the original boink was a rape. But maybe it’s just me.
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Speaking of, nobody’s even mentioned Matt Lauer. I guess it’s just too common anymore. I think I’d be terrified to be a wealthy male these days. Especially if you’ve worked with females and most especially if you’ve paid any of them attention. Hey, not saying I do or don’t “believe her”. It’s just awfully suspicious when a woman gets drunk and voluntarily goes to a man’s hotel room, does not file a police report but instead proceeds to have an extramarital affair with that same man. It’s just a little hard to believe the original boink was a rape. But maybe it’s just me.
I believe it could have been forcible rape by Lauer, but the promise of a lucrative career and $$$ made her play ball with Matt. However, at this point, I don't know if I believe her either.
Oh, Shepherd Smith is openly GAY, so I doubt it was a "Me Too" situation with a woman. Man, maybe.
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Speaking of, nobody’s even mentioned Matt Lauer. I guess it’s just too common anymore. I think I’d be terrified to be a wealthy male these days. Especially if you’ve worked with females and most especially if you’ve paid any of them attention. Hey, not saying I do or don’t “believe her”. It’s just awfully suspicious when a woman gets drunk and voluntarily goes to a man’s hotel room, does not file a police report but instead proceeds to have an extramarital affair with that same man. It’s just a little hard to believe the original boink was a rape. But maybe it’s just me.
Asking for a friend:
Could a man be charged with any sort of sexual crime, if 40 years ago he had affairs with slightly older women that were his superior in the company?
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I believe it could have been forcible rape by Lauer, but the promise of a lucrative career and $$$ made her play ball with Matt. However, at this point, I don't know if I believe her either.
Oh, Shepherd Smith is openly GAY, so I doubt it was a "Me Too" situation with a woman. Man, maybe.
If I had to speculate, and engage in “victim-bashing”... it was completely consensual as far as oral both ways and vaginal but then he tried anal and she said (drunk and possibly giggling) “Oh no you’re not!” But he did anyway. It hurt and she’s a little pissed but also intrigued because it might have been the first time she’d had that done and in such situations everything is adventure and drama and so she complained to her friends about what he did (I think I heard she had friend corroboration) but then went on to make it clear to him she was available for more recreation - with or without the anal?
I don’t believe for a second it was complete non-consensual for one thing because she herself said “I was drunk and you can’t consent when you’re drunk”. Good God what a crock. No man should ever have sex with any woman if she has been drinking if that’s the standard. Do we absolve people of responsibility for other stuff when they’re drunk? You kill someone, “I was drunk so I could not have consented to voluntarily getting the gun and shooting him.” Let’s just give him a pass! No more DUIs. “I was drunk so I’m not responsible for my decision to get in the car and drive.” Bullshit. Why then do we allow this excuse for drunk horny females?
Secondly if oral sex was involved and she was on the giving end then it couldn’t have been non-consensual unless he was threatening her with a weapon or “I will get you fired”. Is there testimony he did anything like that? Well no but it’s implied because he was in a position of relative power over her career. Again, not buying it. I seriously doubt she was worried about her job when she downed those drinks and participated in flirtation and then went to his room, the second time. (The first was to retrieve her press pass).
And please don’t tell me you can have sex six ways with a man and then the seventh during the same encounter suddenly makes it rape. Your lips said “yes” (and did a lot of other things) for the past hour and now you’re saying “no”? Hey I get it, you feel like that particular orifice is off limits. You were screwing a person you did not know that well or trust that much and this is the consequence. Chalk it up to lesson learned and next time be more discriminating whose room you go to when you’re drunk. Going on to have an extended affair with this same “rapist” really harms your credibility. If we’re going to start allowing retrospective rape charges between people with ongoing consensual banging then we are risking further continuance of our species. What man would want to ever risk fucking any woman?
But that’s all speculation. The actual truth is probably somewhere between what he says and what she says. He is definitely a cheating slimeball no question. But she’s probably a slutty bitch. This is what you get when two self absorbed narcissists collide.
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Asking for a friend:
Could a man be charged with any sort of sexual crime, if 40 years ago he had affairs with slightly older women that were his superior in the company?
Absolutely. And also: RACIST!!!
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^^^^^^I agree with all of the above. She pretty much impeached herself when she voluntarily went back to his room a second time drunk. The entire abrogation of responsibility by using the excuse of being drunk is B.S. as you say. However, the current leftist mood on college campuses is that the woman CAN NOT give consent if she has been drinking AT ALL. One drink, and the guy is now totally at risk for being accused of RAPE.
I would not want to be in school today as I guarantee almost every encounter I had was after a party, or going out and drinking, etc. Not all, but a lot. And women today can use it as a tool for punishment, after the fact, should the guy stop seeing her, or does things we all did at that age, like date someone else, or not handle a break up well.
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Asking for a friend:
Could a man be charged with any sort of sexual crime, if 40 years ago he had affairs with slightly older women that were his superior in the company?
Where are these companies and are they hiring?
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Excellent points, Rush. But too straightforwardly cogent for the liberal brain to grasp.
Barring the use of weapons and threats to a woman’s life, which are crimes, the ONLY option is to refuse if she doesn’t want to engage.
I consider it bad judgment for a woman to engage in sexual activities with a man who says he’ll ruin her career, etc. etc. if she doesn’t.
I can’t imagine a scenario where ANY other option but to refuse would in the long run be better.
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^^^^^^I agree with all of the above. She pretty much impeached herself when she voluntarily went back to his room a second time drunk. The entire abrogation of responsibility by using the excuse of being drunk is B.S. as you say. However, the current leftist mood on college campuses is that the woman CAN NOT give consent if she has been drinking AT ALL. One drink, and the guy is now totally at risk for being accused of RAPE.
I would not want to be in school today as I guarantee almost every encounter I had was after a party, or going out and drinking, etc. Not all, but a lot. And women today can use it as a tool for punishment, after the fact, should the guy stop seeing her, or does things we all did at that age, like date someone else, or not handle a break up well.
The other thing that really pisses me off is he loses his job and is destroyed in media and court of public opinion and any responsibility the woman had whatsoever (like going to his room drunk a second time) is totally overlooked. Plus, what happened to innocent until proven guilty? These men are fired before being convicted in a court of law. At the point of accusation it is equally possible the whole thing is a lie and it’s the woman guilty of a crime. So why not fire her right away? After all she has been accused (by the man) of false accusations which is a crime. If a mere possibility of a crime is enough to get one fired, then shouldn’t the woman be fired for possibly having committed a crime just like the man was?
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But we live in age where you can win a Nobel Prize for what you might do, or be impeached for what you might have done.
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But we live in age where you can win a Nobel Prize for what you might do, or be impeached for what you might have done.
Except for people like Hillary. If there was no INTENT, then their can be no crime. Effing hypocrites.
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Except for people like Hillary. If there was no INTENT, then their can be no crime. Effing hypocrites.
Except there was intent. In plain sight.
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I didn't know this part of it.
“I wake up, and Shepard is on top of me, like, in a towel or a bathrobe. And he’s got his tongue down my throat and his hands all over me. Completely uninvited. I mean, I gave him no signal. There was nothing,” John Doe #1 says in the interview — excerpts of which are presented in audio form above.
“I had also volunteered to sleep in the spare, so it wasn’t — I never invited myself to his bedroom,” John Doe #1 said.
“I pushed him off. I was like, ‘Dude what are you doing?’ And he’s like, ‘what you don’t like it?’ There was like this, kind of like No!, and he kept going, he kept pushing. Like, pushing his hands on all these spots,” John Doe #1 said.
The departure also comes after weeks of feuding with Carlson, who anchors Tucker Carlson Tonight, one of the network’s most highly viewed programs.
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/exclusive-audio-shep-smith-accuser-says-fox-news-host-sexually-attacked-him-kept-going-after-he-tried-to-push-him-off/
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I didn't know this part of it.
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/exclusive-audio-shep-smith-accuser-says-fox-news-host-sexually-attacked-him-kept-going-after-he-tried-to-push-him-off/
Has Big League Politics website been properly vetted by the WashPo and NPR/PBS as a legitimate website? ::) ;D
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The other thing that really pisses me off is he loses his job and is destroyed in media and court of public opinion and any responsibility the woman had whatsoever (like going to his room drunk a second time) is totally overlooked. Plus, what happened to innocent until proven guilty? These men are fired before being convicted in a court of law. At the point of accusation it is equally possible the whole thing is a lie and it’s the woman guilty of a crime. So why not fire her right away? After all she has been accused (by the man) of false accusations which is a crime. If a mere possibility of a crime is enough to get one fired, then shouldn’t the woman be fired for possibly having committed a crime just like the man was?
Actually, at universities, it's enough to be found in violation of the faculty code of conduct. Definitely doesn't have to rise to the level of criminal behavior. There's a famous case of an astronomer who was rumored to be in the running for a Nobel a few years back for his work in discovering new planets, who lost his tenured professorship at Berkeley and his position as principal investigator of a prestigious project, over allegations going back many years of unwanted behavior, kissing, groping, etc... but never outright sexual assault or rape. More and more professional societies and funding agencies in science are making such offenses cause for denying funding, stripping offenders of fellowships, and even expulsion.
You can read about the case here:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/azeenghorayshi/how-harassment-stays-secret (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/azeenghorayshi/how-harassment-stays-secret)
This year's physics Nobel went to two famous astronomers in the same field, so those rumors definitely weren't whistling Dixie...
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I didn't know this part of it.
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/exclusive-audio-shep-smith-accuser-says-fox-news-host-sexually-attacked-him-kept-going-after-he-tried-to-push-him-off/
Ha! Well dang. In this day and age of post “free-love” 1960s when we are all supposed to be well past our Victorian era hang ups, it’s hard to believe how squeamish everyone has become over normal male ardor, whether of the straight or gay variety. You would think these aren’t grown adults. Who met at a bar. Ended up somewhere with beds. And now shocked because a pass was made? Oh yeah... the potential for “settlements”....
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Actually, at universities, it's enough to be found in violation of the faculty code of conduct. Definitely doesn't have to rise to the level of criminal behavior. There's a famous case of an astronomer who was rumored to be in the running for a Nobel a few years back for his work in discovering new planets, who lost his tenured professorship at Berkeley and his position as principal investigator of a prestigious project, over allegations going back many years of unwanted behavior, kissing, groping, etc... but never outright sexual assault or rape. More and more professional societies and funding agencies in science are making such offenses cause for denying funding, stripping offenders of fellowships, and even expulsion.
You can read about the case here:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/azeenghorayshi/how-harassment-stays-secret (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/azeenghorayshi/how-harassment-stays-secret)
This year's physics Nobel went to two famous astronomers in the same field, so those rumors definitely weren't whistling Dixie...
What does it take to be “found in violation of faculty code of conduct”? A bunch of complaints? Is there any mention here of evidence? I mean actual hard evidence, not verbal accusations not backed up by video footage or rape kit swabs.
Sexual harassment in science is not rare. Last year, a survey of 666 scientists found that nearly two-thirds had experienced some form of verbal sexual harassment while doing field research, while 1 in 5 had experienced sexual assault. Overwhelmingly, those experiencing harassment were students or postdocs.
Actually, the survey found that nearly two thirds of 666 scientists claimed sexual harassment or assault. In reality how many of these claims were merely requests for dates, or a bit too intimate physical encroachment? Or even a genuine pass? Are we now to believe every pass from a teacher to a nubile college-age adult is “harassment”? Maybe even innocent verbal comments are now “sexual harassment”, like compliments or references to yucky public hairs on one’s soda can.
Prospective students were avoiding this professor because of what they read on Facebook and Twitter. Because everything posted on social media is true. Riiiight. People - and I’m sorry to say female people in particular - are very good at whipping up gossip into a frenzy then weaponizing it against someone’s reputation and career.
That whole article is frightening. If the old way is to sweep such things under the rug, the new way is to destroy professors without evidence and trial, apparently. I hardly think that’s an improvement.
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From the media hype about sexual harassment by males on females who are in a power down position you would think it was all one way, all the men making unwanted advances. At least half the time I’m betting it’s the female who makes the first move. In general, females practice hypergamy. They go after males of greater wealth and status than themselves. On college campuses and in professional offices, it’s the very men who are above them in rank who are most attractive to them. On average I think women are equally responsible for initiating romantic or sexual relationships. That’s been my observations and my personal experience.
From my personal sample size of two, one professor I expressed interest in dating, and another expressed interest in, if not dating, at least porking, me. The first told me, “I’d love to but I have a policy not to date students.” (smart man!) To the second I said, “Not interested. And also I want an A.” I got an A.
There you have it; 50/50. I wasn’t offended at being rejected by the first. I more than understood, although I wasn’t 18, I was already in my mid twenties and I will admit, beginning to search for a husband. I did not think it at all inappropriate for a 25 year old student to express interest in a 30 something teacher. How many such things end happily in a marriage? A lot! But how many women after being rejected will punish the guy by going around claiming he “harassed” her? Hmmm?
The second was a pig, but not a sociopath. He took no for an answer and still gave me a good grade. I understand there are people who abuse their one up position. If that guy had said, “you sleep with me or I’ll fail you” then I would indeed have made a complaint. Hopefully I would have got him saying it on tape. That’s how you do it right. You don’t ruin a man without hard evidence.
I strongly suspect many women claiming failed grades or missed promotions because not “playing along” are actually inferior performers, and deserve the failures. Stupid people and lazy people rarely admit it’s their own stupidity and laziness that’s responsible for their lack of success. On the other hand it’s possible that the ones who do trade sex for favors, might be getting them undeserved. And that of course hurts the honest female. It also hurts the organization.
Sociopaths exist, but they are a minority. And they’re not all male, and they’re not all the person in a position of power. But they account for the cases of true harassment and abuse of power.
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Rush, I don't think we disagree on this. I was the target of off-color remarks in an elevator by a professor that I had worked under as a grad student for a time. I wouldn't have dreamed of bringing him up on charges of harrassment; to me he just proved what I had always suspected, that he was a pig. (He'd always been professional in his behavior towards me as a student, but I always had that sense that he might be a creep.) Then again, that was 2001 or thereabouts; today, if I'd mentioned that to anyone, that person would probably have gone to the Title IX officer and I would have gotten some pressure to file a formal complaint.
The Geoff Marcy case is one I have mixed feelings about. He seems to have been a socially awkward type who didn't know how to keep his hands to himself. He is my age, and when I was in high school I knew more than one boy who behaved like that towards girls. You avoided guys like that, but you didn't charge them with harrassment. Then again, they weren't in positions of power. But I suspect it is guys like that who grow up to be the Geoff Marcys and Garrison Keillors who we all avoid being alone with but most of us wouldn't dream of bringing up on charges. But now we're in the #MeToo era. Marcy should have known that he was on thin ice behaving that way as a professor toward students and postdocs. That he (apparently) kept it up for many years isn't acceptable. I don't think it ever was. But in the 1990s or even the early 2000s it wouldn't have led to being fired and stripped of professional honors. We seem to be moving toward zero tolerance, no second chances, all male professors had better watch out and not even look the wrong way at a female under their charge, or else. Marcy was sent a strict warning, and he apologized, but he was not given so much as a second chance. That seems awfully draconian to me, given that none of the allegations were of criminal sexual conduct.
I suspect the allegations against Marcy were investigated by the administration and the Title IX office and found to be "credible". Today, that's all it takes, not corroborating evidence, not proof beyond a reasonable doubt. I'd hate to be a male, in my field, today.
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Rush, I don't think we disagree on this. I was the target of off-color remarks in an elevator by a professor that I had worked under as a grad student for a time. I wouldn't have dreamed of bringing him up on charges of harrassment; to me he just proved what I had always suspected, that he was a pig. (He'd always been professional in his behavior towards me as a student, but I always had that sense that he might be a creep.) Then again, that was 2001 or thereabouts; today, if I'd mentioned that to anyone, that person would probably have gone to the Title IX officer and I would have gotten some pressure to file a formal complaint.
The Geoff Marcy case is one I have mixed feelings about. He seems to have been a socially awkward type who didn't know how to keep his hands to himself. He is my age, and when I was in high school I knew more than one boy who behaved like that towards girls. You avoided guys like that, but you didn't charge them with harrassment. Then again, they weren't in positions of power. But I suspect it is guys like that who grow up to be the Geoff Marcys and Garrison Keillors who we all avoid being alone with but most of us wouldn't dream of bringing up on charges. But now we're in the #MeToo era. Marcy should have known that he was on thin ice behaving that way as a professor toward students and postdocs. That he (apparently) kept it up for many years isn't acceptable. I don't think it ever was. But in the 1990s or even the early 2000s it wouldn't have led to being fired and stripped of professional honors. We seem to be moving toward zero tolerance, no second chances, all male professors had better watch out and not even look the wrong way at a female under their charge, or else. Marcy was sent a strict warning, and he apologized, but he was not given so much as a second chance. That seems awfully draconian to me, given that none of the allegations were of criminal sexual conduct.
I suspect the allegations against Marcy were investigated by the administration and the Title IX office and found to be "credible". Today, that's all it takes, not corroborating evidence, not proof beyond a reasonable doubt. I'd hate to be a male, in my field, today.
Yep, we are in agreement. My responses are expounding, not disagreeing.
You make a great point! (the bold part) Underlying all this, and all human behavior really, is the issue of personality disorders. Something like high functioning autism can lead to very high IQ (hence research scientist) and social awkwardness, plus not really knowing how to draw lines and what is and is not appropriate.
Back in grade school there was a kid all the girls knew to avoid. He would not only make inappropriate passes to girls, but also just plain crazy. This was a 6th grader and clearly had mental issues but not to the point of being institutionalized. Fast forward to today; you can look him up on the sex offender registry. He's middle aged now and still that crazy and regularly getting in trouble for it.
There are all different kinds of people in the world. Some like that kid in my school, really can't help themselves. They are clearly brain damaged. Others maybe subtly damaged like possibly Marcy if he's Asbergery. But others are just plain evil; sociopaths and psychopaths. This too might be brain damage but of a worse kind because these people are more outwardly manipulative and predatory.
Nevertheless when real crime and bad behavior happens there must be consequences. But we must keep in mind, punishing these people by revoking tenure, firing them, denying retirement and so on, hurts the entire family, not just the offender. The wife and children are INNOCENT in this. I'm not saying they shouldn't be terminated, I am saying they should not be unless there is very hard and incontrovertible evidence of their wrong doing.