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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: nddons on January 01, 2019, 10:59:50 AM
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Asechrest, what’s life like on the ground in a Bowl City? I’m torn. My daughter went to Veterinary School at MIssisippi State, but I hate the SEC and am a huge Big 10 fan. MSU’s defense looks like the real deal. Holy crap. Simmons is an animal.
They just announced that the Outback Bowl brings $1 billion (with a B) in economic activity. I understand such things generate very significant economic activity, but 1,000 million dollars of activity? That’s a LOT of Paella.
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Asechrest, what’s life like on the ground in a Bowl City? I’m torn. My daughter went to Veterinary School at MIssisippi State, but I hate the SEC and am a huge Big 10 fan. MSU’s defense looks like the real deal. Holy crap. Simmons is an animal.
They just announced that the Outback Bowl brings $1 billion (with a B) in economic activity. I understand such things generate very significant economic activity, but 1,000 million dollars of activity? That’s a LOT of Paella.
It is a 'b'illion over it's history. 32 years. 1,833,000 people at a little over $500 a head. Tickets, food, hotel, gas, hookers, parking tickets....
http://www.outbackbowl.com/by-the-numbers (http://www.outbackbowl.com/by-the-numbers)
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Sounds like government math. The average is only 31.25 million a year. I've managed projects at work that produced over 31.25 million in revenue a year.
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It is a 'b'illion over it's history. 32 years. 1,833,000 people at a little over $500 a head. Tickets, food, hotel, gas, hookers, parking tickets....
http://www.outbackbowl.com/by-the-numbers (http://www.outbackbowl.com/by-the-numbers)
Ah, thanks. I don’t think they said over its history on TV.
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Well, the Tampa Bay area is great, whether inside or out of bowl season. Bustling, dynamic, traffic-y. Last few days it was in the 80s, which is record heat for this time of year.
Fun fact - the Tampa Bay Area has a population of over 3 million, which is nearly as many people as in ALL of Iowa. Good times.
I missed the game, unfortunately.
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What's the climate in Tampa Bay like May through September?
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What's the climate in Tampa Bay like May through September?
Because of the Gulf of Mexico, the temp rarely goes above the very low 90's. It rains for about an half hour most days during the summer, but everyone adjusted to it long ago.
The now birds leave by about April first which improves driving around town.
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What's the climate in Tampa Bay like May through September?
Hot. Humid. We do get a sea breeze so that's nice. If you're not used to it you'll want to stay out of the midday sun or be near water. Sunscreen is a must; folks not from the area don't realize how brutal it can be.
Near daily afternoon showers and TS, short duration, sometimes severe. But not widespread like folks from other states might be used to. It's not uncommon to be driving through torrential rain and then 2 minutes later you emerge into blaring sun and not a drop of rain.
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I did a six month project in Jupiter, FL, and stayed on Singer Island near West Palm Beach from November through the end of April. It was PERFECT. I can see why there are "Snow Birds". Never been to Tampa. Sounds nice!
I got addicted to fresh, inexpensive Stone Crab claws, and mustard sauce.
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Good grief, y'all talking about weather. Where do you think you are, PoA board?
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Good grief, y'all talking about weather. Where do you think you are, PoA board?
This post has been reported for use of profanity, engaging in a southern accent, and a vaguely demeaning tone that is not up to the standards of this kingdom.
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I'm offended. Where's my cookie?
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This post has been reported for use of profanity, engaging in a southern accent, and a vaguely demeaning tone that is not up to the standards of this kingdom.
This post has been reported for false accusation of profanity and assuming the locality of an accent. Standards for demeaning tone on this board are high, but the ROC clearly states that individuals are not to be harassed for failure to meet them.
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This post has been reported for false accusation of profanity and assuming the locality of an accent. Standards for demeaning tone on this board are high, but the ROC clearly states that individuals are not to be harassed for failure to meet them.
Becky is banned for 0.6 seconds for disclosing that the moderators have no power whatsoever. I hope you learned your lesson, Missy.
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Happy new year to all.
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In order to use my Moderator powers as I am desperate to do so (as everyone knows), I am banning myself for an undisclosed time frame.
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In order to use my Moderator powers as I am desperate to do so (as everyone knows), I am banning myself for an undisclosed time frame.
Haha, this one made me chuckle.
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Haha, this one made me chuckle.
He can't see you during his banishment.
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Haha, this one made me chuckle.
Me too.
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Thank you for your concern, which has been officially registered. However, the 1/1/2019 version of the ROC (I assume you got the official Notification of Update (NoU) of the ROC) also clearly states, in paragraph 7 of section B, sub-part 69, that discussion of post reporting will not be tolerated as it is anathema to the Governing Monarchy's (GM) vision of a just and peaceful community of Ruled Forum Persons (RFPs). Further posts on this matter will be unmercifully deleted and the Forum Demerit (FD) official registered in your Ruled Forum Person History of Subversive Actions (RFPHSA).
Happy new year to all.
Egad, you must have been reading Ayn Rand!
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Egad, you must have been reading Ayn Rand!
I surely hope your sarcasm detector is not as broken as this response suggests!
PS - Haven't read a word of anything Rand wrote, with the possible exception of quotes in news stories.
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I surely hope your sarcasm detector is not as broken as this response suggests!
PS - Haven't read a word of anything Rand wrote, with the possible exception of quotes in news stories.
I suspect you would up find her work quite interesting, especially since you often seem to think about things.
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I surely hope your sarcasm detector is not as broken as this response suggests!
PS - Haven't read a word of anything Rand wrote, with the possible exception of quotes in news stories.
In Atlas Shrugged government agencies and laws and statutes and control proliferate to the point where the actual producers in America begin to disappear rather than pour their life’s work and energy and profits into supporting the bloated State and be crushed by bureaucratic oppression.
There is a “department” to regulate every imaginable action of the people. So your post reminded me of that.
She is really amazing in her insights about people, capitalism, government and society.
https://www.azquotes.com/author/12074-Ayn_Rand
“The goal of the 'liberals' - as it emerges from the record of the past decades - was to smuggle this country into welfare statism by means of single, concrete, specific measures, enlarging the power of the government a step at a time, never permitting these steps to be summed up into principles, never permitting their direction to be identified or the basic issue to be named. Thus, statism was to come, not by vote or by violence, but by slow rot - by a long process of evasion and epistemological corruption, leading to a fait accompli.“
“The difference between a welfare state and a totalitarian state is a matter of time.“
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I suspect you would up find her work quite interesting, especially since you often seem to think about things.
Liberals tend to detest reading anything Rand wrote, especially Atlas Shrugged, as it too readily depicts the future under Liberal control.
She was quite insightful.
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Liberals tend to detest reading anything Rand wrote, especially Atlas Shrugged, as it too readily depicts the future under Liberal control.
She was quite insightful.
She pretty much described the current communist (they call themselves democrats) regime in congress.
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Liberals tend to detest reading anything Rand wrote, especially Atlas Shrugged, as it too readily depicts the future under Liberal control.
She was quite insightful.
We may see that total Liberal control in our lifetimes. The Demographic changes combined with the Leftist onslaught from the Media, Education K - University, most of Government, Social Media, Tech, PC corporate America, etc is indoctrinating this country to be good little emasculated, PC Leftists. In addition, people continue to urbanize, and suburbs, and ex-burbs are now solidly Democrat along with their associated Cities. Metro areas are now controlling entire States which are becoming DEMOCRAT.
The complete and utterly unconstitutional campaign against private ownership of firearms is SCARY, and part of the above plan of total control.
Oh yeah, my ban is over. Nice to be back.
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We may see that total Liberal control in our lifetimes. The Demographic changes combined with the Leftist onslaught from the Media, Education K - University, most of Government, Social Media, Tech, PC corporate America, etc is indoctrinating this country to be good little emasculated, PC Leftists. In addition, people continue to urbanize, and suburbs, and ex-burbs are now solidly Democrat along with their associated Cities. Metro areas are now controlling entire States which are becoming DEMOCRAT.
The complete and utterly unconstitutional campaign against private ownership of firearms is SCARY, and part of the above plan of total control.
Oh yeah, my ban is over. Nice to be back.
Once Texas and Florida flip to blue, it's over. This is why the progressives have spent millions in both states, and will go on a full frontal assault in 2020.
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Welcome back! Be careful next time or you might have to ban yourself for longer. I've banned myself from POA for an undetermined time. Too many pompous twits over there.
Yes, we're likely to see the coddled youths come out telling everyone else how to live. Sorry for our children, but I know of no way to stop it. I figure I've got 30 years left to live max, maybe 20 under socialized medicine. I fear I'll live to see the United States cease to be the greatest country.
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Welcome back! Be careful next time or you might have to ban yourself for longer. I've banned myself from POA for an undetermined time. Too many pompous twits over there.
Yes, we're likely to see the coddled youths come out telling everyone else how to live. Sorry for our children, but I know of no way to stop it. I figure I've got 30 years left to live max, maybe 20 under socialized medicine. I fear I'll live to see the United States cease to be the greatest country.
My thoughts exactly, all of it.
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My thoughts exactly, all of it.
A while back you recommended this book, which I ordered and am reading. It is a difficult read but cathartic, too. Facing the realities of America today is depressing, but on the other hand, seeing things clearly is important when it comes to addressing them in whatever way we can, and in living our lives each day.
I feel like voices of reason in my beloved country are being drowned out, and the book confirms that. It shows our shadow side, as Jung would say. Ignoring the shadow is perilous!
https://www.amazon.com/Enjoy-Decline-Accepting-Living-United/dp/1480284769
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A while back you recommended this book, which I ordered and am reading. It is a difficult read but cathartic, too. Facing the realities of America today is depressing, but on the other hand, seeing things clearly is important when it comes to addressing them in whatever way we can, and in living our lives each day.
I feel like voices of reason in my beloved country are being drowned out, and the book confirms that. It shows our shadow side, as Jung would say. Ignoring the shadow is perilous!
https://www.amazon.com/Enjoy-Decline-Accepting-Living-United/dp/1480284769
On the night of the 2016 election I was hoping maybe his book would become irrelevant or unnecessary but after the midterms and seeing the surgically targeted cheating by the left I am coming to the conclusion Trump was an anomaly never to be repeated. The left is no longer playing by the rules. If they ever did. It is now an overt assault on the rules, and visibly becoming soft coup by any means. Because of changing demographics there is no chance whatsoever to remain a two party country unless blacks, hispanics, females and urban/suburban areas have a total awakening to what's going on and stop supporting the Democrat party.
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We may see that total Liberal control in our lifetimes. The Demographic changes combined with the Leftist onslaught from the Media, Education K - University, most of Government, Social Media, Tech, PC corporate America, etc is indoctrinating this country to be good little emasculated, PC Leftists. In addition, people continue to urbanize, and suburbs, and ex-burbs are now solidly Democrat along with their associated Cities. Metro areas are now controlling entire States which are becoming DEMOCRAT.
The complete and utterly unconstitutional campaign against private ownership of firearms is SCARY, and part of the above plan of total control.
Oh yeah, my ban is over. Nice to be back.
No MIGHT to it Anthony. It's been a good run.
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No MIGHT to it Anthony. It's been a good run.
I’m not so sure. My dad said the same thing in the 1960s-1970s. We are a malleable country, and we’ve bounced back from crisis before.
It will only be the curtain call if we all quite. I don’t see it.
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Agree with Stan, and I think he has good historical perspective. As we age, we tend to think it ain't like it used to be, it'll never be like it used to be, and the end is nigh. And, statistically, the former is true, but the latter is not. In fact, thus far the record is perfect against the view that we're at the end. Granted, the moment that record is broken will be a bad day in paradise. So it was with Rome.
But I'll stick with the rational perspective based on the perfect record of US history. We'll certainly change, but just because the aged populace doesn't like said change, doesn't spell the end for our great country.
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No MIGHT to it Anthony. It's been a good run.
Short of some type of revolution, I don't see us avoiding the Liberal/Progressive PC onslaught. We are the only ones who remember what it was like. When people weren't offended by everything, didn't want to BAN everything, and were looking to government for everything.
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Agree with Stan, and I think he has good historical perspective. As we age, we tend to think it ain't like it used to be, it'll never be like it used to be, and the end is nigh. And, statistically, the former is true, but the latter is not. In fact, thus far the record is perfect against the view that we're at the end. Granted, the moment that record is broken will be a bad day in paradise. So it was with Rome.
But I'll stick with the rational perspective based on the perfect record of US history. We'll certainly change, but just because the aged populace doesn't like said change, doesn't spell the end for our great country.
Well said, young whipper snapper. Now get off my lawn!
Seriously, I like your perspective of a perfect record. If we can survive the civil war, and the civil uprisings of the 20th century, we can probably survive this.
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Well said, young whipper snapper. Now get off my lawn!
Seriously, I like your perspective of a perfect record. If we can survive the civil war, and the civil uprisings of the 20th century, we can probably survive this.
I saw how you just ignored the word ROME in his post.
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I remember Jim Lovell reading from Genesis from the Apollo 8 spacecraft. Worth a listen.
This is the kind of thing America won’t be seeing much more of ... accomplishments of this scope by white men with Christian values. It won’t be tolerated and if it happens it will be airbrushed out of history. Every person in the Mission Control Room was a white male. We’re watching the documentary on Netflix about it. While we can.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_8_Genesis_reading
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I remember Jim Lovell reading from Genesis from the Apollo 8 spacecraft. Worth a listen.
This is the kind of thing America won’t be seeing much more of ... accomplishments of this scope by white men with Christian values. It won’t be tolerated and if it happens it will be airbrushed out of history. Every person in the Mission Control Room was a white male. We’re watching the documentary on Netflix about it. While we can.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_8_Genesis_reading
If that mission would have taken place today, NASA would have had to mute that broadcast. Furthermore, there would be no way a manned mission would have been 3 white Christian guys. And the CM would have not been allowed to have an American Flag painted on it's side.
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I saw how you just ignored the word ROME in his post.
No, I’m quite aware of the fall of the Roman Empire. I took History of Western Civilization in Catholic high school from a priest who took that shit seriously.
I’m also aware of the massive differences between the Roman Empire and call it the American Empire.
First, the RE lasted almost 1,500 years - six times longer than the US has been around.
Second, they were a conquesting Empire. While we have had foreign wars, we secured no land except land to bury our dead.
The RE was located in an area rife with nearby enemies ready to attack in any century.
The RE bore the brunt of the Muslim conquests, and survived the Crusades.
The US has the geographical benefit of having the two largest oceans on each side of the country. If someone were to invade, we would know it.
Etc etc etc.
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I stand corrected! Need to read me some Gibbon ... it always seems to slip to the bottom of the list.
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If that mission would have taken place today, NASA would have had to mute that broadcast. Furthermore, there would be no way a manned mission would have been 3 white Christian guys. And the CM would have not been allowed to have an American Flag painted on it's side.
But the Koran would have been OK as one of NASA's missions is Muslim Outreach. Morons. Where are Chris Kraft, and Gene Krantz when you need them?
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Missing the point. The U.S. will exist in name for hundreds more years. What is dying is the U.S. as a Republic free from tyranny (i.e. single party rule).
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I saw how you just ignored the word ROME in his post.
I've noticed an increased note of despair in your posts over the years. Who am I to say that it's not warranted, at least in your own mind? But I do think you should keep at least a secondary perspective that relies not on the emotionality of your moment, but the rationality of our collective history and experience, which instructs that your fortune telling is statistically unlikely to come to fruition.
It is certainly possible that the collapse of the United States is imminent. No one can deny that mathematical possibility. But, while possible, I submit that a near-term national collapse is unlikely. And I further submit that Declinism, as it's termed, is both a decades-old national past-time and likely a "trick of the mind" -- a cognitive bias -- that can be proven to be objectively false with a study of broad metrics.
Declinism has been described as “a trick of the mind” and as “an emotional strategy, something comforting to snuggle up to when the present day seems intolerably bleak.”[12]
One factor in declinism is the so-called “reminiscence bump,” meaning that older people tend “to best remember events that happened to them at around the ages of 10-30.”[2] As one source puts it, “[t]he vibrancy of youth, and the thrill of experiencing things for the first time, creates a 'memory bump' compared with which later life does seem a bit drab.”[12] Gopnick suggests that “the idea of our decline is emotionally magnetic, because life is a long slide down, and the plateau just passed is easier to love than the one coming up.” Citing the widespread love of “old songs,” he writes: “The long look back is part of the long ride home. We all believe in yesterday.”[4]
Another factor is the so-called positivity effect, meaning that “as people get older, they tend to experience fewer negative emotions, and they’re more likely to remember positive things over negative things.”
Both of these factors can lead people to experience declinism. But so, contrarily, can the “negativity bias,” meaning that “emotionally negative events are likely to have more impact on your thoughts and behaviours than a similar, but positive, event.”[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declinism#Cause
I am absolutely certain that the US is changing. I am similarly certain some of it is not for the better. And I am even more certain I don't like some of the changes, and if the kids don't get off their fucking cell phones I'll slap it out of their hands so help me God.
But is the US over? Has our long decline come to an end? Doubt it.
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But the Koran would have been OK as one of NASA's missions is Muslim Outreach. Morons. Where are Chris Kraft, and Gene Krantz when you need them?
The Netflix documentary about Mission Control and the one about Voyager are truly inspirational. The people who made it all happen are elderly now, but the spark in their eyes from being there and doing those things is unextinguishable.
Human accomplishment and teamwork in a scope rarely seen and probably dying out due to PC, snowflaking, educational standards cratering, and people generally hostile to each other ideologically.
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Missing the point. The U.S. will exist in name for hundreds more years. What is dying is the U.S. as a Republic free from tyranny (i.e. single party rule).
I see no evidence of single-party tyrannical rule in our country. I assume we've all noticed there is a Republican in the White House, a Republican controlled Senate, a Supreme Court bending conservative and likely to continue that way, etc. And that, too, will change. Perspective is tough when you're steeped in the rhetoric of this place.
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While we have had foreign wars, we secured no land except land to bury our dead.
Major nits on that claim - the U.S. gained significant new land after several such wars; the one's that sprang to my mind are:
Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, ending Mexican American war.
Treaty of Paris, ending Spanish American war.
Overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii
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I've noticed an increased note of despair in your posts over the years. Who am I to say that it's not warranted, at least in your own mind? But I do think you should keep at least a secondary perspective that relies not on the emotionality of your moment, but the rationality of our collective history and experience, which instructs that your fortune telling is statistically unlikely to come to fruition.
It is certainly possible that the collapse of the United States is imminent. No one can deny that mathematical possibility. But, while possible, I submit that a near-term national collapse is unlikely. And I further submit that Declinism, as it's termed, is both a decades-old national past-time and likely a "trick of the mind" -- a cognitive bias -- that can be proven to be objectively false with a study of broad metrics.
I am absolutely certain that the US is changing. I am similarly certain some of it is not for the better. And I am even more certain I don't like some of the changes, and if the kids don't get off their fucking cell phones I'll slap it out of their hands so help me God.
But is the US over? Has our long decline come to an end? Doubt it.
Yes, and Rush is even more despairing. I appreciate your points. There are other forces at play that set off the fight or flight cortisol and adrenaline spikes ... one is the sheer determination and will of the left ands its willingness to use ANY means to gain power. I think they out-determination the right, and they definitely out-corrupt the right. And 2018 showed us that there are more of them than us. We are justified in our concern about what they will do with the power they get. Witness impeachment efforts against the most pro-American and highly productive President since Reagan. I agree collapse is not imminent but decline is possibly a worse fate as it will happen so slowly that people will become numb and not fight back until it is too late.
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Major nits on that claim - the U.S. gained significant new land after several such wars; the one's that sprang to my mind are:
Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, ending Mexican American war.
Treaty of Paris, ending Spanish American war.
Overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii
How long did you have to go back to find those few little tidbits? The biggest land grab and over reach was by the NORTH during the illegal Civil War.
Let's talk about the era not associated when there will still cave men roaming the earth. Like all the major foreign wars in which we've been involved? WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq........
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True that!
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