Post by: Steingar on September 05, 2018, 05:43:19 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 05, 2018, 06:49:28 AM
Sounds pretty bad. His phone call with Trump was wild as could be.
Notice all of the “anti-Trump” books lately? Yep, publishers can’t get enough of them, and the people writing them are getting big advances on them. It’s become it’s own cottage industry.
Woodward is only one of the latest cashing in on this. A book that has no references, only “confidential sources”. James Mattis says it’s a work of fiction. Others who have wild claims made about them have already discredited the book. But Woodward will walk away with $millions$.
And the recording? Nothing much there either. About as scandalous as the “get me a Diet Coke” recording cnn kept playing over and over.
Post by: Lucifer on September 05, 2018, 07:00:37 AM
This book contains actual references and historical facts and accuracy.
Highly recommend. Of course, you won’t hear about it in the MSM.
Post by: Number7 on September 05, 2018, 07:08:30 AM
It's not like Steingar can actually read. All he does is parrot the stupid things he's told and then pretend.
Post by: Lucifer on September 05, 2018, 07:14:11 AM
Don't worry about this post.
It's not like Steingar can actually read. All he does is parrot the stupid things he's told and then pretend.
He can read. It’s the comprehension problems that keep reading it’s ugly head.
Besides, it’s just easier to watch CNN and then comment on it as if it were factual.
Post by: Steingar on September 05, 2018, 07:22:55 AM
Don't worry about this post.
It's not like Steingar can actually read. All he does is parrot the stupid things he's told and then pretend.
Number 7 actually has 7 books. He's read all of them too, but he hasn't finished coloring in one.
Post by: Number7 on September 05, 2018, 08:06:25 AM
Someone get him his mid-morning bottle and tuck him in with his Hello Kitty doll, so he can nap.
Post by: bflynn on September 05, 2018, 09:25:12 AM
But how does he know they are true? He claims he interviewed people and they admitted to withholding information from the president. Doesn't that say a lot more about the person withholding the information and nothing about the president? Didn't we see similar clumsiness from Obama in his first year or two?
If these people are so terrified that there's a madman in the White House, then they should come forward and make their accusations to the American public rather than privately giving them to the Left's hatchet man in a smoky back room. If accurately reported, then what they've done is a betrayal to the president, which I don't really care about. But it's a betrayal to the country and to their duty to me as a citizen, which I care a great deal about.
Woodward should realize that he has put his entire life's reputation on the line here. What he has amounts to crass accusations and gossip. If he cannot prove it beyond the point that he has now, then he is heading to go down in history as the most partisan political bigot in the media, and that is saying a lot.
Post by: Lucifer on September 05, 2018, 09:32:58 AM
As always, follow the money.
Post by: Steingar on September 05, 2018, 10:32:00 AM
How cute... The pathetic little boy is angry.
Someone get him his mid-morning bottle and tuck him in with his Hello Kitty doll, so he can nap.
How do you make Number 7 laugh on Saturday? Tell him a joke on Wednesday.
Post by: bflynn on September 05, 2018, 11:13:54 AM
I predict a hard fall coming for him, unless Democrats turn a willful blind eye. At this point it appears that in order to support Bob Woodward's misquotes, they are going to have to call the people being quoted liars and claim they don't know what they said.
Unfortunately, I can see Democrats lining up to deny reality in exactly that way.
Post by: Anthony on September 05, 2018, 11:44:51 AM
Post by: Number7 on September 05, 2018, 12:14:05 PM
Now Michael Moore will be releasing more anti Trump LIES. The Media, and their Democrat masters can't stand Trump is succeeding. I love that they meltdown daily.
Michael Moore's movies are about as honest and truthful as Steingar's drive by bullshit.
The lefties are speaking solely to themselves these days and because they allow no other facts to intrude, except the ones they make up, they never realize that no one is listening.
The two mikey's can babble their insults all he want, but at the end of the day they are a broken, warped, record, screeching in an empty house.
Post by: Rush on September 05, 2018, 03:46:59 PM
Don't worry about this post.
It's not like Steingar can actually read. All he does is parrot the stupid things he's told and then pretend.
I perceive that Steingar is actually very intelligent. I have a brother who is also extremely intelligent, yet he is a screaming far-left liberal probably more liberal than Steingar and I cannot reconcile how someone so smart can be so blind. I know he's smart because I grew up with him and he wasn't a leftist back then. He was even a United States Marine. I try to figure out what the hell went wrong somewhere after he got out of the military and before he married his second wife. Maybe the first wife ruined him, I don't know.
Post by: Lucifer on September 05, 2018, 03:53:38 PM
I perceive that Steingar is actually very intelligent. I have a brother who is also extremely intelligent, yet he is a screaming far-left liberal probably more liberal than Steingar and I cannot reconcile how someone so smart can be so blind. I know he's smart because I grew up with him and he wasn't a leftist back then. He was even a United States Marine. I try to figure out what the hell went wrong somewhere after he got out of the military and before he married his second wife. Maybe the first wife ruined him, I don't know.
Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Post by: Little Joe on September 05, 2018, 04:53:27 PM
I perceive that Steingar is actually very intelligent.If he was, then he would know the difference between "lose" and "loose".
But you have a point. I know some very smart liberals and some very dumb conservatives. Which still doesn't make any difference. Liberalism is all about feelings and wishful thinking and conservatism is about facts and logic.
Post by: Lucifer on September 05, 2018, 05:00:23 PM
Post by: Number7 on September 05, 2018, 06:08:17 PM
Everything is a crisis. Every word is an offense.
I told her that she should try thinking instead of emoting and she lost her freaking mind. hasn't gotten over it yet.
I told that her reaction pretty much proved my point.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 05, 2018, 07:19:22 PM
I have a granddaughter who is a flaming progressive.
Everything is a crisis. Every word is an offense.
I told her that she should try thinking instead of emoting and she lost her freaking mind. hasn't gotten over it yet.
I told that her reaction pretty much proved my point.
My 19 year old grand daughter unfriended me during the election. She is a student at Long Island Global University and will be in Spain this semester. She is definitely a hate America type. She has a blog [size=78%]http://www.circumnavicait.com/?author=1 (http://www.circumnavicait.com/?author=1)[/size] She and some classmates were in Berlin and she discovered that she has ties to the Holocaust. She seemed quite surprised.
Post by: bflynn on September 05, 2018, 08:54:57 PM
Liberalism is all about feelings and wishful thinking and conservatism is about facts and logic.
You do realize that neither one of these is universally true, right? There are irrational conservatives and logical lefties.
Post by: Little Joe on September 06, 2018, 04:52:09 AM
You do realize that neither one of these is universally true, right? There are irrational conservatives and logical lefties.I'm certainly glad you ended your sentence with a "?"
Of course I understand that, but if you make a statement, then put in all the exceptions it will sound like a medical commercial listing all of the side effects.
You do know what a generalization is, right? You could probably list on one finger all the statements on this board that are universally true.
Post by: bflynn on September 06, 2018, 07:39:24 AM
Post by: Little Joe on September 06, 2018, 08:40:16 AM
They're not only not universally true, there's are enough exceptions to the rule that you can't call it a rule.I didn't call it a rule either. I called it a generalization and I think there is plenty of reason to make that generalization.
Post by: Steingar on September 06, 2018, 11:38:20 AM
She and some classmates were in Berlin and she discovered that she has ties to the Holocaust. She seemed quite surprised.
First, I hope you don't let political differences distance you from your granddaughter. That would be a crying shame. Second, I'm connected to the Holocaust too. My relatives were victims.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 06, 2018, 02:23:37 PM
First, I hope you don't let political differences distance you from your granddaughter. That would be a crying shame. Second, I'm connected to the Holocaust too. My relatives were victims.
I don't Michael, I love her very much. Just wish her education had been better. Last year she was in Costa Rica and told my wife how the women there hang their laundry out yo dry and wondered why we don't do that here rather than waste energy using a dryer. She was never taught that the dryer came of age here as women left the homemaker role and entered the workforce. It was a convenience thing.
Michael, I would suspect you did have relatives in the Holocaust. It just struck me as interesting that it never dawned on her that her last name might have tied her to it.
Post by: Anthony on September 07, 2018, 04:43:29 AM
I don't Michael, I love her very much. Just wish her education had been better. Last year she was in Costa Rica and told my wife how the women there hang their laundry out yo dry and wondered why we don't do that here rather than waste energy using a dryer. She was never taught that the dryer came of age here as women left the homemaker role and entered the workforce. It was a convenience thing.
Unfortunately, like many her age she has been indoctrinated by a Far Left education where Mankind, White Males, and America are the enemy of the planet, Globalism, and the Utopia she has been taught should exist, and humans actually would want that.
Post by: acrogimp on September 07, 2018, 06:58:14 AM
Statement by Secretary of Defense James N. Mattis
Sept. 4, 2018
News Release
Release No: NR-256-18
"The contemptuous words about the President attributed to me in Woodward's book were never uttered by me or in my presence. While I generally enjoy reading fiction, this is a uniquely Washington brand of literature, and his anonymous sources do not lend credibility.
"While responsible policy making in the real world is inherently messy, it is also essential that we challenge every assumption to find the best option. I embrace such debate and the open competition of ideas. In just over a year, these robust discussions and deliberations have yielded significant results, including the near annihilation of the ISIS caliphate, unprecedented burden sharing by our NATO allies, the repatriation of U.S. service member remains from North Korea, and the improved readiness of our armed forces. Our defense policies have also enjoyed overwhelming bipartisan support in Congress.
"In serving in this administration, the idea that I would show contempt for the elected Commander-in-Chief, President Trump, or tolerate disrespect to the office of the President from within our Department of Defense, is a product of someone’s rich imagination.”
James N. Mattis SecDef
Post by: Mr Pou on September 07, 2018, 08:08:29 AM
IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Statement by Secretary of Defense James N. Mattis
Sept. 4, 2018
News Release
Release No: NR-256-18
"The contemptuous words about the President attributed to me in Woodward's book were never uttered by me or in my presence. While I generally enjoy reading fiction, this is a uniquely Washington brand of literature, and his anonymous sources do not lend credibility.
"While responsible policy making in the real world is inherently messy, it is also essential that we challenge every assumption to find the best option. I embrace such debate and the open competition of ideas. In just over a year, these robust discussions and deliberations have yielded significant results, including the near annihilation of the ISIS caliphate, unprecedented burden sharing by our NATO allies, the repatriation of U.S. service member remains from North Korea, and the improved readiness of our armed forces. Our defense policies have also enjoyed overwhelming bipartisan support in Congress.
"In serving in this administration, the idea that I would show contempt for the elected Commander-in-Chief, President Trump, or tolerate disrespect to the office of the President from within our Department of Defense, is a product of someone’s rich imagination.”
James N. Mattis SecDef
I'll take "What you won't see on World News Tonight" for $100, Alex...
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 07, 2018, 09:21:10 AM
I'll take "What you won't see on World News Tonight" for $1000, Alex...FTFY :D
Post by: Steingar on September 07, 2018, 12:38:08 PM
Post by: Little Joe on September 07, 2018, 01:02:32 PM
Its funny, when someone in the government tells you something you don't like, they're lying through their teeth. When they same something you like, they are incorruptible.Yeah; that's funny isn't it. I never have understood how Democrats will believe anything anybody says, as long as it is negative about Republicans.
Post by: nddons on September 11, 2018, 07:16:09 AM
Its funny, when someone in the government tells you something you don't like, they're lying through their teeth. When they same something you like, they are incorruptible.I would put a career Marine Officer’s credibility over, say, a career politician or a mere college professor, any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Post by: Steingar on September 11, 2018, 09:54:50 AM
I would put a career Marine Officer’s credibility over, say, a career politician or a mere college professor, any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Depends on what's being said.
Post by: Little Joe on September 11, 2018, 09:57:38 AM
Depends on what's being said.Not to me it doesn’t.
Post by: Steingar on September 11, 2018, 10:25:29 AM
Not to me it doesn’t.
I'd like to hear your Marine General explain to my student from the other day why he needed to see doctors frequently because of a suspect tumor suppressor mutation. Or my other student about the Huntington's disease running in his family. Or to the young lady who's elder relative was dying of ALS, what did that mean for her susceptibility.
Post by: invflatspin on September 11, 2018, 10:42:24 AM
Depends on what's being said.
No, it really doesn't. We have very generous examples recently from both sides. Trump is full to overflowing of bluster, self-aggrandizement, and occasional mis-stating things that are irrelevant. I believe that's where you're going with this. The size of the inauguration crowd doesn't matter much to me, but it does to Trump. However, when he says he's moving the US embassy in Israel - the damn thing gets moved. When he says he's going to gut the EPA, it's gutted. When he says he is going to build a wall - a wall is what we will get. The last one is a work in progress, but it now appears that we will shut down the govt(and I mean no fake shut down either) until his wall is underway.
On the other side we have a guy like Strozk who is fully willing to work against his boss, and operate like a common criminal to get his way. And I don't care if he's shtupping the help, again - not a core issue. But when the two of them collude to impede the organized transfer of power in the US, things are out of hand. Then we have Mueller leaking just what he wants leaked about anti-Trump salacious material, some of it is known to be a lie. This is not opinion, this is exactly what happened.
Next lets have a look at the lies from Hillary. I can't even count them up, there are so many. I think she's a congenital liar, and can't stop herself. What's more - many of her lies are not just self-aggrandizing but they are policy lies. And she's been caught red-handed making them. I suspect much of Slick Willy has rubbed off over the years; "I - did not - have sex - with that - woman". While pointing his finger at us. That lie cost him his law license, and the combined mess with the travel office, and missing materials from the WH cost Hillary her law license. These are lies that matter. The big difference is that lies from the left are intended to improve the US, so they are treated differently than lies from the right - which are supposed to be advancing, I don't know - Russia? Rich people? Whites? Straights? Someone, somewhere who is not in the right sub-culture of the angry progs.
Lies in DC are like currency. The problem is that lies from the left are rewarded, or can be redeemed for political power. Lies from the right are cancer, and cost a lot of political or cultural/social currency. There is no equality, and the MSM enforces it with rigid bias every damn day.
Post by: Steingar on September 11, 2018, 10:51:40 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 11, 2018, 11:07:55 AM
Do keep in mind that something like 2/3 of what comes out of Trump's mouth (or his twitter feed) is untrue, at least according to Politifact and a few others.
Please back that up with something factual. I dare you.
Post by: jb1842 on September 11, 2018, 11:24:42 AM
Do keep in mind that something like 2/3 of what comes out of Trump's mouth (or his twitter feed) is untrue, at least according to Politifact and a few others.
I think that what Trump says on twitter is deliberate just to get a rise out of people.
Post by: Rush on September 11, 2018, 11:28:29 AM
Please back that up with something factual. I dare you.
Wiki says politifact said this:
PolitiFact's 2015 Lie of the Year was the "various statements" made by 2016 Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump. Politifact found that 76% of Trump's statements that they reviewed were rated "Mostly False," "False" or "Pants on Fire". Statements that were rated "Pants on Fire" included his assertion that the Mexican government sends "the bad ones over" the border into the United States, and his claim that he saw "thousands and thousands" of people cheering the collapse of the World Trade Center on 9/11.[26]
Okay so he's wrong, 75% not 2/3.
Anyhow first, you can probably show 75% of what anyone says about anything is not completely entirely literally true, due to nuances of language, human memory inaccuracies and things taken out of context and second, you won't convince me politifact isn't biased to the left.
Whoa whoa whoa!! I just went back and reread that. 75% of what they reviewed. Hell that discredits them right off the bat. What do you call that, selection bias?
Post by: Steingar on September 11, 2018, 11:30:30 AM
Please back that up with something factual. I dare you.
Here you go.
https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false (https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false)
Post by: Lucifer on September 11, 2018, 11:38:27 AM
http://thefederalist.com/2016/12/16/running-data-politifact-shows-bias-conservatives/
Post by: Rush on September 11, 2018, 11:41:22 AM
Here you go.
https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false (https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false)
I protest their analysis. For example when Trump said Pelosi defended MS-13 members. Here is what politifact says Pelosi actually said:
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At a May 17 press conference, the day after Trump’s "animals" comment, Pelosi said "calling people animals is not a good thing" and defended "undocumented immigrants." She did not mention MS-13 gang members.
Pelosi said "we're all God's children" and spoke about "a spark of divinity in every person on Earth."
"And so when the president of the United States says about undocumented immigrants, ‘These aren't people. These are animals,’ you have to wonder, does he not believe in the spark of divinity, the dignity and worth of every person? ‘These are not people. These are animals.’ The president of the United States," Pelosi said.
Sure sounds to me like she is defending MS-13 members! They qualify under "every person on earth".
Post by: nddons on September 11, 2018, 12:06:27 PM
I think that what Trump says on twitter is deliberate just to get a rise out of people.And it works spectacularly. I swear every time I’m sitting in an airport I see Wolf Blitzer talking about a Trump tweet. Funny as hell. He’s living rent free in their brains.
Post by: Number7 on September 11, 2018, 12:56:51 PM
I'd like to hear your Marine General explain to my student from the other day why he needed to see doctors frequently because of a suspect tumor suppressor mutation. Or my other student about the Huntington's disease running in his family. Or to the young lady who's elder relative was dying of ALS, what did that mean for her susceptibility.
Just what does any of your self-serving, egotistical crap have to do with the facts of this discussion???
Oh, yeah. Nothing.
Just like pretty much everything else your pathetic mind comes off with.
Post by: invflatspin on September 11, 2018, 01:02:38 PM
Statements that were rated "Pants on Fire" included his assertion that the Mexican government sends "the bad ones over" the border into the United States, and his claim that he saw "thousands and thousands" of people cheering the collapse of the World Trade Center on 9/11.[26]
Whoa whoa whoa!! I just went back and reread that. 75% of what they reviewed. Hell that discredits them right off the bat. What do you call that, selection bias?
The Mexican 'bad ones' immigration story boils down to this: Our republican candidaate has said(without proof) that Mexican govt sends bad people to the US. The Mexican govt denies this(without proof). Since no one can prove a negative, politifact has to somehow determine that the negative is correct and that the candidate is false.
To do this, politifact would need to investigate every illegal alien who comes over the border, and then investigate the Mexican govt beyond their assertion that the do not send 'bad people' to the US. It can't be done, so the politifact people decide to believe the Mexican govt officials, who have a vested interest in denying a story about exporting criminals. It's a judgment call, that no one can ever prove one way or the other.
Post by: Steingar on September 11, 2018, 01:06:12 PM
Just what does any of your self-serving, egotistical crap have to do with the facts of this discussion??
That there are very important things about which the word of a professor is far more trustworthy than the word of a Marine general.
Post by: Steingar on September 11, 2018, 01:08:25 PM
The Mexican 'bad ones' immigration story boils down to this: Our republican candidaate has said(without proof) that Mexican govt sends bad people to the US. The Mexican govt denies this(without proof). Since no one can prove a negative, politifact has to somehow determine that the negative is correct and that the candidate is false.
To do this, politifact would need to investigate every illegal alien who comes over the border, and then investigate the Mexican govt beyond their assertion that the do not send 'bad people' to the US. It can't be done, so the politifact people decide to believe the Mexican govt officials, who have a vested interest in denying a story about exporting criminals. It's a judgment call, that no one can ever prove one way or the other.
At one point Castro actually did this. He sent criminals to the US when Carter said they were free to emigrate to the US. In Trump's example he claimed something similar with no facts to back it up. Just bluster, but bluster that was deeply offensive to our southern neighbor and big-time trading partner.
Post by: Number7 on September 11, 2018, 01:10:18 PM
That there are very important things about which the word of a professor is far more trustworthy than the word of a Marine general.
I'm sure your ego thinks that is particularly credible, but has NOTHING to do with the subject at hand. Beat your pathetically visible ego - drum all you want but when the topic is the word of the Secretary of Defense, who is a highly decorated general, against the anonymous bullshit regurgitated, or at best, supposedly regurgitated, thru woodward - who won an award which appears to be your gold standard - there is no contest.
Post by: Number7 on September 11, 2018, 01:11:01 PM
That there are very important things about which the word of a professor is far more trustworthy than the word of a Marine general.
The vast majority of patients would choose a reputable physician over a progressive professor any day.
Post by: Steingar on September 11, 2018, 01:12:34 PM
I'm sure your ego thinks that is particularly credible, but has NOTHING to do with the subject at hand. Beat your pathetically visible ego - drum all you want but when the topic is the word of the Secretary of Defense, who is a highly decorated general, against the anonymous bullshit regurgitated, or at best, supposedly regurgitated, thru woodward - who won an award which appears to be your gold standard - there is no contest.
To be honest, I doubt one rises to the level of Marine General without the political wherewithal to put out a fire or two. I suspect the Secretary of Defense likes being the Secretary of Defense, and I have no doubt he would happily disavow something he said to keep the job. A true patriot too, Odin knows who Trump would get to fill the spot.
Post by: Steingar on September 11, 2018, 01:13:20 PM
The vast majority of patients would choose a reputable physician over a progressive professor any day.
Doctors treat disease, scientists cure disease. And no, I don't treat patients. I haven't a medical license.
Post by: Number7 on September 11, 2018, 01:14:11 PM
To be honest, I doubt one rises to the level of Marine General without the political wherewithal to put out a fire or two. I suspect the Secretary of Defense likes being the Secretary of Defense, and I have no doubt he would happily disavow something he said to keep the job. A true patriot too, Odin knows who Trump would get to fill the spot.
So your defense of your fallacious attack on President Trump is that you would disavow your own indictable statements if it meant losing your job, and that corresponds to painting General Mattis with the same demented brush?
Post by: invflatspin on September 11, 2018, 01:14:55 PM
At one point Castro actually did this. He sent criminals to the US when Carter said they were free to emigrate to the US. In Trump's example he claimed something similar with no facts to back it up. Just bluster, but bluster that was deeply offensive to our southern neighbor and big-time trading partner.
Except the number of crimes committed in the US by illegals is all out of proportion to the normal curve of criminals in society. US prisons are overflowing with aliens who've committed violent crime in the US. Tell me they were honest upstanding citizens in Mexico, and only went bad when they crossed the border. It would be far cheaper for the Mexican govt to export them to the US, and the alien wouldn't object if his alternative was incarceration in a Mexican prison.
Post by: Steingar on September 11, 2018, 01:17:43 PM
Except the number of crimes committed in the US by illegals is all out of proportion to the normal curve of criminals in society. US prisons are overflowing with aliens who've committed violent crime in the US. Tell me they were honest upstanding citizens in Mexico, and only went bad when they crossed the border. It would be far cheaper for the Mexican govt to export them to the US, and the alien wouldn't object if his alternative was incarceration in a Mexican prison.
The "Normal curve of criminals in society"? I'm not certain what that means. That said, I think rates of immigrant crime should be compared to crime rates amongst the poor, since immigrants tend to be among the poorest. All that aid, I wouldn't mind seeing some documentation of what you're claiming. I've read exactly the opposite, though admittedly it is difficult to know how varnished the facts are due to the intensely political nature of the question.
Post by: nddons on September 11, 2018, 01:42:59 PM
The Mexican 'bad ones' immigration story boils down to this: Our republican candidaate has said(without proof) that Mexican govt sends bad people to the US. The Mexican govt denies this(without proof). Since no one can prove a negative, politifact has to somehow determine that the negative is correct and that the candidate is false.Spot on. Their level of “research” amounts to no more than a few Google hits. Period, end of story. And from that they “conclude” truths and lies. And when they can’t confirm shit and are judging a conservative or Republican, guess which way the arrow points. They do the same thing with Scott Walker in Wisconsin.
To do this, politifact would need to investigate every illegal alien who comes over the border, and then investigate the Mexican govt beyond their assertion that the do not send 'bad people' to the US. It can't be done, so the politifact people decide to believe the Mexican govt officials, who have a vested interest in denying a story about exporting criminals. It's a judgment call, that no one can ever prove one way or the other.
Post by: nddons on September 11, 2018, 01:46:12 PM
That there are very important things about which the word of a professor is far more trustworthy than the word of a Marine general.I’m sure you’re very knowledgeable in your chosen profession. The issue wasn’t knowledge. It was credibility of the person. Based upon some of the crap you spew about things you know little about, with the requisite air of superiority, your credibility is poor.
Post by: invflatspin on September 11, 2018, 02:06:21 PM
The "Normal curve of criminals in society"? I'm not certain what that means. That said, I think rates of immigrant crime should be compared to crime rates amongst the poor, since immigrants tend to be among the poorest. All that aid, I wouldn't mind seeing some documentation of what you're claiming. I've read exactly the opposite, though admittedly it is difficult to know how varnished the facts are due to the intensely political nature of the question.
That's is surely the rub. No one can show with any authority either way. However, politifact has decided - on a whim that they believe the Mexican govt denials, and not the president's claim. Which I can freely admit the one who makes the claim has a duty to back up, but why choose Trump and why choose this nebulous position to confront? We know there are alien criminals in the US. We know that MS-13(and others) was and is a huge problem in Mexico. All I can give you is that it's logical that Mexico would be satisfied if their criminal element left Mexico for the US. But no - I don't have stats, and figures, and graphs. But - neither does the other side.
Post by: Number7 on September 11, 2018, 04:28:16 PM
Post by: Lucifer on September 12, 2018, 09:53:42 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 13, 2018, 07:43:35 AM
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on September 13, 2018, 08:40:38 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 13, 2018, 08:47:30 AM
And he actually provides verifiable references and does not rely on "anonymous sources".
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/914mgiRUV4L._SY300_.jpg)
Post by: Number7 on September 13, 2018, 11:25:27 AM
This is actually a much better book.
And he actually provides verifiable references and does not rely on "anonymous sources".
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/914mgiRUV4L._SY300_.jpg)
I told you guys. Steingar doesn’t have the comprehension, nor permission to read that book. It would upset the lies he tells himself and everyone else.
Post by: Lucifer on September 13, 2018, 02:33:40 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bob-woodward-fear-trump-in-the-white-house-interview-tapes/
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Asked whether he would release any of the interview tapes, Woodward told "CBS This Morning" on Thursday: "Well, if somebody really wants to challenge me, of course. Of course. But I — again, I've made agreements with people that these sources are going to remain confidential."
Oh how convenient!
Post by: nddons on September 13, 2018, 04:35:34 PM
Please Bob, go ahead.....I dare ya!Hey, we still don’t know the true identity of Deep Throat, do we?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bob-woodward-fear-trump-in-the-white-house-interview-tapes/
Oh how convenient!
Post by: Lucifer on September 13, 2018, 04:41:20 PM
Hey, we still don’t know the true identity of Deep Throat, do we?
Actually we do. It was Mark Felt.
https://www.history.com/news/watergate-deep-throat-fbi-informant-nixon
Post by: Lucifer on September 14, 2018, 08:27:54 AM
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Veteran reporter Bob Woodward said Friday that he conducted a thorough investigation into possible Trump-Russia collusion while researching his latest book, “Fear: Trump in the White House,” but found no evidence of a conspiracy.
“Did you Bob Woodward hear anything in your research or your interviews that sounded like espionage or collusion?” conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt asked Woodward during an interview.
“I did not. Of course I looked for it, looked for it hard,” replied Woodward.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/09/14/bob-woodward-trump-collusion/
Post by: Steingar on September 14, 2018, 10:19:48 AM
For the perfesser who still believes in the Trump- Russia Collusion hoax:
http://dailycaller.com/2018/09/14/bob-woodward-trump-collusion/
I always did think the collusion thing was overblown. The closest they came was Trump Jr. digging for Hillary dirt from Russian operative, and even that really doesn't work. I just thought Trump's response to the whole thing was amateur hour, he did nothing but make himself look guilty. If he really didn't do anything then there's no worry about the Independent Prosecutor, is there?
Remember, Ken Starr never did find any wrongdoing of the Clinton's from Whitewater, though he did catch one of their pals in financial shenanigans. The only thing he could come up with was the stained dress, which had nothing whatsoever to do with Whitewater. It didn't even visit Arkansas.
Post by: Anthony on September 14, 2018, 11:31:55 AM
Liars. All of them.
Post by: Little Joe on September 14, 2018, 12:11:49 PM
If he really didn't do anything then there's no worry about the Independent Prosecutor, is there?That's what I said before a state sales tax audit a few years ago. $20k in legal and accounting fees later, I don't have that "warm fuzzy" feeling any more that just being innocent is enough.