PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on July 24, 2019, 07:40:22 AM
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Wow.
This is blowing up bad for the dims. Mueller looks really bad in this.
Ghomert, Gaites and Jordon really landed some hard hits.
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https://www.mediaite.com/politics/this-is-painful-pundits-question-muellers-frail-performance-at-hearing/
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https://theweek.com/articles/854542/robert-muellers-day-disappointments-democrats
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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2019/07/24/top-republican-just-schooled-mueller-on-his-own-report-concerning-russian-collusi-n2550524
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What could go wrong for the communist party (democrats)?
A liar lying about the lies he told previously...
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I don't think it has anything to do with the testimony. It is giving them all an opportunity to finish with the same statement and that is all they want.
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I don't think it has anything to do with the testimony. It is giving them all an opportunity to finish with the same statement and that is all they want.
Yep, they are all in lock step. This is a dying attempt to get an impeachment hearing going, and it's failing miserably.
The dims were fools to ever put Mueller in this situation.
Wyle E Coyote strikes again.
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I can't believe this is still going on, but the Dems complained how long Benghazi was drawn out. What lying hypocrites the democrats are.
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Investigations on this will continue through next year.
They just can't believe they have nothing.
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The hardcore retards won't care. Trump is guilty no matter what.
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Yep, they are all in lock step. This is a dying attempt to get an impeachment hearing going, and it's failing miserably.
The dims were fools to ever put Mueller in this situation.
Wyle E Coyote strikes again.
I don't think impeachment is their goal at this point. They are just trying to make Trump look bad for the upcoming election. The hard core Dems may actually believe that their hated Trump is actually innocent, and that alone will piss them off enough to not vote for him.
I sort of enjoy watching the Dems heads explode.
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Investigations on this will continue through next 6 years.
They just can't believe they have nothing.
FTFY ;)
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Now we have pencil neck Schiff for brains making his diatribe.
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https://nypost.com/2019/07/24/nadlers-mueller-hearing-was-a-waste-of-everyones-time/
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Rep Turner has just really made a fool of Mueller.
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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2019/07/24/democrats-muellers-testimony-was-a-total-disaster-n2550538
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What little of the hearings that I heard reminded me of a soccer match.
Mueller was the ball,
with half the air released.
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I've been watching the whole thing.
The dims will regret doing this, it's been an embarrassment all the way through. Mueller will no longer be their hero after this.
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I've been watching the whole thing.
The dims will regret doing this, it's been an embarrassment all the way through. Mueller will no longer be their hero after this.
He stopped being their hero the day his report was released.
Now, they will vilify him.
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He stopped being their hero the day his report was released.
Now, they will vilify him.
And when they turn, they turn HARD. Watch for the accusations that "someone got to him".
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And when they turn, they turn HARD. Watch for the accusations that "someone got to him".
Or, "he is a sexual predator".
His best strategy then would be to say that he is gay. Then everything will be forgiven.
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And when they turn, they turn HARD. Watch for the accusations that "someone got to him".
Obviously he's RACIST! and a WHITE SUPREMACIST!!!!
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These dim fucks are obsessed with the "Trump Tower Meeting"...........
Of course that got deflated when it was pointed out all of the meetings the Russian lawyer involved had with Glen Simpson and the Dims.
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Or, "he is a sexual predator".
His best strategy then would be to say that he is gay. Then everything will be forgiven.
Or turning Transsexual, but has hidden he really is a Hispanic Illegal Alien converting to Islam.
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https://spectator.org/mueller-an-unmitigated-disaster/
What an unmitigated disaster.
The nation watches a confused, halting Robert Mueller in what will be the saddest moment in an otherwise stellar career. But without question this Mueller performance clearly illustrated one very important reality.
There is no way in the world the confused, uncertain man testifying today actually ran the investigation he was charged with running. Mueller even had Members saying “over here” to let him know the physical location of his questioner of the moment. At times his aides seated behind him had to point him to his questioner, Mueller’s face a mask of confusion. As the Washington Examiner’s Phil Klein has incredulously noted:
[Congressman Steve] Chabot asked again, “When you talk about the firm that produced the Steele reporting. The name of the firm that produced that was Fusion GPS. Is that correct?”
Mueller responded, “I’m not familiar with that.”
How is that even possible? It’s one thing to argue that he isn’t going to answer questions with reference to Fusion GPS (something he did in follow up questions, with the phrase “it’s outside my purview”), but how on earth could he not be familiar with the firm that has played such a key role in the Russia story?
The answer is now appallingly obvious in the performance of a baffled and confused Mueller.
So the reality of the Mueller investigation is now laid bare. This investigation was run by his staff of Trump-hating zealots, led by Andrew Weissmann. The same Weissmann the New York Times described as “Mueller’s Legal Pit Bull.”
Combine what Weissmann’s friends say of him — that he is a “relentless and boundary-grazing” prosecutor — with what his enemies say of him — that he has a “scorched-earth approach” to prosecuting — and it now makes perfectly clear who was really in charge of the wrongly named “Mueller” investigation: Andrew Weissmann.
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https://freebeacon.com/politics/abc-reporter-on-mueller-hearing-impeachments-over/
ABC News correspondent Terry Moran said on Wednesday that the movement to impeach President Donald Trump is over, after Robert Mueller testified in front of the House Judiciary Committee.
"Impeachment's over," Moran told George Stephanopoulos in a video posted by GOP War Room, "I don't think Nancy Pelosi is going to stand for her member bringing forth something that is going to obviously lose in the Senate, lose with the American public. And the problem with Mueller's testimony on this issue is that he had to carry the ball for them in some way, whether he wanted to or not. At least by being a rigorous, strong, rock-solid prosecutor and instead he looked like someone who slowed a step or two."
"They needed more fuel for any kind of impeachment effort," Moran said.
Other members of the media have also said that the hearing went poorly for Democrats. MSNBC analyst Jeremy Bash said Mueller, "sucked the life out of the report" and set back the effort for impeachment. Fox News anchor Chris Wallace called the hearing a "disaster" for Democrats and for Robert Mueller's reputation.
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At the end I thought Juan Williams (Fox News) was going to start crying. He looked and sounded like he lost his best friend.
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At the end I thought Juan Williams (Fox News) was going to start crying. He looked and sounded like he lost his best friend.
I cut the cable a while ago so I don't watch The Five anymore, but I can only imagine that Commie's face. I used to love when Greg Gutfeld made fun of him.
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I cut the cable a while ago so I don't watch The Five anymore, but I can only imagine that Commie's face. I used to love when Greg Gutfeld made fun of him.
I watched the testimony via the internet (no cable here). Juan was one of the panelist.
It was priceless. Even pencil neck Schiff for brains was having a hard time containing himself.
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Wow. Just wow!
There are some liberal Donald Trump haters that I like and respect.
I hope they were all watching this with their eye open.
But if they were, they wouldn't be democrats.
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I wanted to watch it but had to work all day. I caught one sound bite of Mueller bumbled attempt to answer a question and Christ.... I felt sorry for the guy.
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I wanted to watch it but had to work all day. I caught one sound bite of Mueller bumbled attempt to answer a question and Christ.... I felt sorry for the guy.
I didn’t.
It’s now becoming obvious he was just a figurehead in this sham. The question now is who actually wrote the report that Mueller signed, and who was pulling the strings?
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I didn’t.
It’s now becoming obvious he was just a figurehead in this sham. The question now is who actually wrote the report that Mueller signed, and who was pulling the strings?
I didn’t realize until today that he was just a figurehead. Sheesh. That’s brutal.
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I didn’t realize until today that he was just a figurehead. Sheesh. That’s brutal.
Look at it this way. They needed someone at the top in a (lame) attempt to make it look legit.
More and more this now looks like Andrew Weissmann was actually running the show. And I guarantee he wrote the report, Vol 2 has his fingerprints all over it.
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Some things I noted.
The Democrats worked hard to make a point that Mueller did not exonerate Trump. The MSM audience probably ate it up because they're, likely, too dumb to understand that a prosecutor never exonerates anyone.
I noticed the Democrats stayed away from the thing that Mueller highlighted in his opening statement, that Russian interference is a real thing and needs to be taken seriously. I suspect they stayed away because it all happened under the Obama/Biden administration.
I do note that even Democrats were saying it was a disaster, although I expect a certain subset of Democrats will crank up the volume on impeachment.
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Some things I noted.
The Democrats worked hard to make a point that Mueller did not exonerate Trump. The MSM audience probably ate it up because they're, likely, too dumb to understand that a prosecutor never exonerates anyone.
I noticed the Democrats stayed away from the thing that Mueller highlighted in his opening statement, that Russian interference is a real thing and needs to be taken seriously. I suspect they stayed away because it all happened under the Obama/Biden administration.
I do note that even Democrats were saying it was a disaster, although I expect a certain subset of Democrats will crank up the volume on impeachment.
All true, and all good points. I don't know what they will base impeachment on, but they really never had anything to begin with did they?
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They're going to (continue to) go after his finances and taxes on the mother of all fishing expeditions.
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I didn’t realize until today that he was just a figurehead. Sheesh. That’s brutal.
Do you think he was or was he trying to speak very carefully? My takeaway was that he was trying to remain neutral and out the whole thing to rest. Mission accomplished.
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Some things I noted.
The Democrats worked hard to make a point that Mueller did not exonerate Trump. The MSM audience probably ate it up because they're, likely, too dumb to understand that a prosecutor never exonerates anyone.
The bold headlines in my daily papers:
Daytona Beach News-Journal: "NO EXONERATION!"
Orlando Sentinel: "Mueller rejects Trump's claims".
And that is all most libs will read. However if they do go further, the first few paragraphs emphasize those two points, and those two points only. Nothing about prosecutors not exonerating anyone.
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ratcliffe-tears-into-mueller-for-obstruction-report-trump-damn-sure-should-not-be-below-the-law
Ratcliffe tore Mueller a new one.
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Do you think he was or was he trying to speak very carefully? My takeaway was that he was trying to remain neutral and out the whole thing to rest. Mission accomplished.
Was he lying or was he just trying to speak very carefully when he said he didn’t know from Fusion GPS?
I didn’t realize til now how old he is (75). He came across as barely familiar with his own investigation and his own report. My takeaway is that the truth has been outed: despite two years of the media screaming, “Mueller! Mueller! Mueller!”, it was not Mueller actually pulling the strings.
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Was he lying or was he just trying to speak very carefully when he said he didn’t know from Fusion GPS?
I didn’t realize til now how old he is (75). He came across as barely familiar with his own investigation and his own report. My takeaway is that the truth has been outed: despite two years of the media screaming, “Mueller! Mueller! Mueller!”, it was not Mueller actually pulling the strings.
I don't think he was lying, but it's possible he didn't hear correctly or understand the question.
I heard only part of the testimony, mostly over NPR on my way to the airport, but I agree that he sounded not at all sharp, and even downright confused at times. Later, someone interviewed on NPR suggested that what showed on him was the stress and pressure to not slip up and reveal something classified or ongoing. Maybe, but it sounded to me like there was more to it. Possibly he was on some kind of medication, or he might indeed have some underlying cognitive problem, maybe the beginnings of dementia - I expect we'll learn the truth in a few years. But I think it's way over the top speculation to think that he was not in control of the investigation. Even if it is something medical/degenerative, typically something like that develops slowly and the symptoms might not at first be apparent in everyday work but only in an unusual, highly stressful situation like testifying before Congress. I really think it's going much too far to say that Mueller was only a "figurehead".
Someone suggested that the report was really the work of Andrew Weissmann... again, this is crazy speculation, and doesn't even make a lot of sense. The report was extremely restrained and nuanced in nearly every respect, and effectively exonerates Trump of the most serious charges (conspiracy). Does that sound like something you would expect from Weissmann?
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I don't think he was lying, but it's possible he didn't hear correctly or understand the question.
Would you, or the MSM, be bending over like that to make such excuses if it were Trump?
Of course not. It would be on the MSM 7x24 until November 2020.
And even if he didn't understand the question, is that the kind of person that should hold the entire goverment of the United States hostage based on his ability to understand and relate what happened HONESTLY?
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Would you, or the MSM, be bending over like that to make such excuses if it were Trump?
Of course not. It would be on the MSM 7x24 until November 2020.
And even if he didn't understand the question, is that the kind of person that should hold the entire goverment of the United States hostage based on his ability to understand and relate what happened HONESTLY?
Who's bending over? I'm seriously suggesting, as several here have, that he might no longer be fit for duty. Fortunately, he's retired now. I'm just saying that this may not have been the case during most of the investigation.
As to whether this is the kind of person that should hold the government "hostage"... that's a REALLY strange question, in view of what did come out of Mueller's testimony about the apparent truthfulness of Trump's answers to written questions. Is THAT the kind of person you want at the HELM of government?
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Who's bending over? I'm seriously suggesting, as several here have, that he might no longer be fit for duty. Fortunately, he's retired now. I'm just saying that this may not have been the case during most of the investigation.
As to whether this is the kind of person that should hold the government "hostage"... that's a REALLY strange question, in view of what did come out of Mueller's testimony about the apparent truthfulness of Trump's answers to written questions. Is THAT the kind of person you want at the HELM of government?
I don't buy it. I still hear libs saying RR was senile while he was Pres, and I am 100% certain if it were Trump, that is all you would hear today.
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I really think it's going much too far to say that Mueller was only a "figurehead".
He supposedly wrote the final report, yet he wasn't sure what he wrote, as evidenced by multiple questions. BTW, I watched both hearings in their entirety.
Someone suggested that the report was really the work of Andrew Weissmann... again, this is crazy speculation, and doesn't even make a lot of sense. The report was extremely restrained and nuanced in nearly every respect, and effectively exonerates him of the most serious charges (conspiracy). Does that sound like something you would expect from Weissmann?
First, I suggest you read "Licensed to Lie: Exposing Corruption in the Department of Justice" by Sidney Powell.
Then I suggest you spend some time reading up on the history of Andrew Weissmann and the prosecutor tactics he's known for. Vol 2 of the Mueller report has Weissman's tactics written all over it. As pointed out by several congressmen yesterday, Vol 2 was inserted in this report to be read by the public, and was not an appropriate SC report to the AG as it should have been.
The SC knew a long time ago there was nothing to investigate on the Trump Campaign/Russia Conspiracy, thus why they proceeded to the "obstruction" side. Example, McGahn spent 30 hours testifying to the committee, yet the final report only included a few brief snipets that were to make the President look bad. Where is the rest?
How about Dowd's phone message that was carefully edited in the report to make it appear that he was asking for classified information? Mueller was questioned as to why he didn't include the whole message, which clearly would have shown that was not Dowd's intent. Oh, Mueller couldn't answer that either.
How about the Trump Tower meeting with the Russian attorney? Never mind evidence shows her meetings with Glen Simpson (Fusion GPS) before the meeting and after the meeting (and she met several times with Democrat operatives as well). This was left out of the report, and Mueller was questioned on this. Mueller even tried to say he didn't know who Glen Simpson and Fusion GPS were.
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As to whether this is the kind of person that should hold the government "hostage"... that's a REALLY strange question, in view of what did come out of Mueller's testimony about the apparent truthfulness of Trump's answers to written questions. Is THAT the kind of person you want at the HELM of government?
You just admitted you didn't bother watching the entire testimony, but yet now you think you have all the answers.
Trump answered the interrogatories sent to him by the SC office. And since you know little about law and legal proceedings, interrogatories have to be answered truthfully or the individual can be indicted for perjury.
You have not read the interrogatories, that's a fact. You have not read the responses, that's a fact. What you do know is what one side presented, which doesn't tell the whole story.
Rep Ratclife summed it up perfectly as well as Rep Gohmert. Our system of law presumes innocence until proven guilty, yet here we have a SC who did everything he could to reverse that by portraying the President guilty and place the burden on him to prove his innocence. This is a travesty.
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You just admitted you didn't bother watching the entire testimony, but yet now you think you have all the answers.
Trump answered the interrogatories sent to him by the SC office. And since you know little about law and legal proceedings, interrogatories have to be answered truthfully or the individual can be indicted for perjury.
You have not read the interrogatories, that's a fact. You have not read the responses, that's a fact. What you do know is what one side presented, which doesn't tell the whole story.
Rep Ratclife summed it up perfectly as well as Rep Gohmert. Our system of law presumes innocence until proven guilty, yet here we have a SC who did everything he could to reverse that by portraying the President guilty and place the burden on him to prove his innocence. This is a travesty.
Wow. Pot? Kettle? The only one here who thinks he has all the answers is YOU.
As to your last point, that's something I intended to raise, since I wasn't ABLE to (not didn't bother to) watch the entire testimony: PBS Newshour alluded to Republicans trying to focus on why Mueller's investigation strayed from its prosecutorial role by putting the burden of proof of innocence on Trump. Apparently it was Rep Collins of the Judiciary Committee who took this tack, but I haven't been able to find video of that part of the questioning. What was said exactly? And how did Mueller respond?
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He supposedly wrote the final report, yet he wasn't sure what he wrote, as evidenced by multiple questions. BTW, I watched both hearings in their entirety.
First, I suggest you read "Licensed to Lie: Exposing Corruption in the Department of Justice" by Sidney Powell.
Then I suggest you spend some time reading up on the history of Andrew Weissmann and the prosecutor tactics he's known for. Vol 2 of the Mueller report has Weissman's tactics written all over it. As pointed out by several congressmen yesterday, Vol 2 was inserted in this report to be read by the public, and was not an appropriate SC report to the AG as it should have been.
Powell's book is 464 pages and it's clear from her interviews that she's a Trump partisan. I don't have time to read that much one-sided polemic.
As to Weissmann, I've read a fair amount about him and I think it's still rank speculation to try to identify his "fingerprints" in the report. Sure, he was part of the team, his stamp his probably there. But to say that he was the one pulling the strings? Utter speculation.
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Wow. Pot? Kettle? The only one here who thinks he has all the answers is YOU.
As far as your smart ass response, at least I take the time to read, watch and understand what is in front of me.
As to your last point, that's something I intended to raise, since I wasn't ABLE to (not didn't bother to) watch the entire testimony: PBS Newshour alluded to Republicans trying to focus on why Mueller's investigation strayed from its prosecutorial role by putting the burden of proof of innocence on Trump. Apparently it was Judiciary Committee Ranking Member Collins who took this tack, but I haven't been able to find video of that part of the questioning. What was said exactly? And how did Mueller respond?
And, as typical, you are relying on sound bites from the MSM for your information.
It's all there, I suggest you spend some time on Google doing the research. Better yet, why not just watch the hearings (unedited) and make your own conclusion?
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Powell's book is 464 pages and it's clear from her interviews that she's a Trump partisan. I don't have time to read that much one-sided polemic.
Of course that's your answer. Not surprising. ::)
As to Weissmann, I've read a fair amount about him and I think it's still rank speculation to try to identify his "fingerprints" in the report. Sure, he was part of the team, his stamp his probably there. But to say that he was the one pulling the strings? Utter speculation.
Wow, for someone who can't be bothered with reading and following the details of this, that's utter speculation on your part.
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Why was Weismann allowed on the team at all. He is a staunch Clinton supporter. He was at her "victory" party.
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that's utter speculation on your part.
Did you just say that Azure's assertion that it's impossible to identify the "fingerprints" of who wrote which sections of the report is speculation? Doesn't that mean that you stating that it IS possible to identify the fingerprints and you have proof of it?
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As far as your smart ass response, at least I take the time to read, watch and understand what is in front of me.
And, as typical, you are relying on sound bites from the MSM for your information.
It's all there, I suggest you spend some time on Google doing the research. Better yet, why not just watch the hearings (unedited) and make your own conclusion?
Oh great. So that means you know where it is but can't be bothered to provide a link?
I don't know what you do for a living but some of us don't have the time to spend glued to the computer to watch these events, even later on. I've been trying to finish up a paper and submit it, that is what I was doing for most of yesterday and why I've rarely been on here this summer.
If all I'm going to get when I do pipe up is insults and admonishments to spend my life following every detail closely, then I'll probably just go back to ignoring this board.
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Why was Weismann allowed on the team at all. He is a staunch Clinton supporter. He was at her "victory" party.
The best way to describe Weissman is "sleazy". His trademark is prosecutorial misconduct and over reach. And yes, he is highly partisan.
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Why was Weismann allowed on the team at all. He is a staunch Clinton supporter. He was at her "victory" party.
Mueller was actually asked that - that was one of the questions I did hear - and he said that political affiliation wasn't a factor either way in who was picked for the team, only competence and integrity.
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Oh great. So that means you know where it is but can't be bothered to provide a link?
I don't know what you do for a living but some of us don't have the time to spend glued to the computer to watch these events, even later on. I've been trying to finish up a paper and submit it, that is what I was doing for most of yesterday and why I've rarely been on here this summer.
If all I'm going to get when I do pipe up is insults and admonishments to spend my life following every detail closely, then I'll probably just go back to ignoring this board.
LOL!
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Oh great. So that means you know where it is but can't be bothered to provide a link?
I don't know what you do for a living but some of us don't have the time to spend glued to the computer to watch these events, even later on. I've been trying to finish up a paper and submit it, that is what I was doing for most of yesterday and why I've rarely been on here this summer.
If all I'm going to get when I do pipe up is insults and admonishments to spend my life following every detail closely, then I'll probably just go back to ignoring this board.
I completely understand not having the time to personally watch or read all of the information. I am retired and I don't have that much time either.
But I do suggest that if you are going to get your primary information from sources like PBS that you admit to yourself that you are only getting the side of the story they want you to have. I was listening to NPR in the car the other day and kept thinking to myself that if that was my primary source of information, then I would probably hate conservatives too.
I hope you don't decide to leave. Just pick your battles and opponents more carefully. And I hope you follow my above advice.
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Mueller was actually asked that - that was one of the questions I did hear - and he said that political affiliation wasn't a factor either way in who was picked for the team, only competence and integrity.
I didn't hear him say that, but if I did it would have been best if I had not just swallowed any food or drink or it would have come out my nose.
Do the names "Strozk or Page" mean anything to you? Yes, he fired them, after their actions and bias became public.
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I didn't hear him say that, but if I did it would have been best if I had not just swallowed any food or drink or it would have come out my nose.
Do the names "Strozk or Page" mean anything to you? Yes, he fired them, after their actions and bias became public.
Many lawyers on the "team" were known to be extreme partisans. Andrew Weissman being at the top. And Weissman's legal history? Holy crap! Why would anyone even think of hiring this guy!
Oh, BTW, that guy that sat next to Mueller yesterday? Aaron Zebley. Care to guess this guy's background?
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/mueller-will-appear-with-lawyer-who-represented-the-clinton-aide-who-set-up-email-server
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I completely understand not having the time to personally watch or read all of the information. I am retired and I don't have that much time either.
But I do suggest that if you are going to get your primary information from sources like PBS that you admit to yourself that you are only getting the side of the story they want you to have. I was listening to NPR in the car the other day and kept thinking to myself that if that was my primary source of information, then I would probably hate conservatives too.
I hope you don't decide to leave. Just pick your battles and opponents more carefully. And I hope you follow my above advice.
Of course I know that NPR and PBS are one-sided. That's one of the reasons I try to hang out here, and to read reputable conservative sites like National Review when I'm let in (limited because I'm not a paid subscriber). Even so, I take much of what the NPR and PBS say analysis-wise with a grain of salt. And I certainly don't hate conservatives - I'm pretty right of center relative to where the Dems are now, and lean libertarian on many issues.
I probably won't leave, but will lurk more than I have in the past and speak up only occasionally.
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I didn't hear him say that, but if I did it would have been best if I had not just swallowed any food or drink or it would have come out my nose.
Do the names "Strozk or Page" mean anything to you? Yes, he fired them, after their actions and bias became public.
Yes of course. I only reported what he said, I can't vouch for its accuracy. In the case of Weissmann, "integrity" is not a word I would use to describe him based on his record. But I wouldn't go so far as to accuss Mueller of lying about the process - more likely his friendship - or maybe his previous professional acquaintance - with Weissmann clouded his judgment.
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Mueller was actually asked that - that was one of the questions I did hear - and he said that political affiliation wasn't a factor either way in who was picked for the team, only competence and integrity.
Which is why it was made up of only staunch political democrats....
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...But I wouldn't go so far as to accuss Mueller of lying about the process - more likely his friendship - or maybe his previous professional acquaintance - with Weissmann clouded his judgment.
"clouded his judgement" - well, that's a ringing endorsement. ::)
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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2019/07/25/former-federal-prosecutor-its-clear-to-me-that-mueller-did-not-run-or-understand-his-investigation-n2550577
In my initial reactions post yesterday, I described what appeared to be knowledge gaps and cognitive shortcomings on the part of former Special Counsel Robert Mueller. Out of respect for his career of service and patriotism, I somewhat soft-pedaled these points. On my Fox News radio program last evening, however, longtime Assistant United States Attorney Andrew McCarthy was more candid. He said the proceedings made him viscerally sad, stating outright that after watching hours of testimony, he believes the venerable lawman was not in control of the investigation that bore his name:
McCarthy: I just think he didn't know the investigation.
Benson: You really think there were other people calling the shots and pulling the strings?
McCarthy: I do, yes. I don't think he could tell you what the OLC guidance was.
Benson: Wow, really?
McCarthy: Right.
I'm not necessarily fully sold on the congealing narrative that Mueller was a mere figurehead -- a respected, nominal Republican sitting atop the probe -- while anti-Trump partisans ran the show. But in addition to his lack of command of key facts and elements of his own report, I'll admit that this exchange with Rep. Martha Roby (R-AL) also seemed strange to me as I watched it.
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Mueller was actually asked that - that was one of the questions I did hear - and he said that political affiliation wasn't a factor either way in who was picked for the team, only competence and integrity.
And he thinks Weismann has integrity!!
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And he thinks Weismann has integrity!!
My reaction exactly... see post #65.
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https://video.foxnews.com/v/6063893143001/#sp=show-clips
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https://video.foxnews.com/v/6063893143001/#sp=show-clips
Lucifer, have you been feeding Levin ideas?
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Lucifer, have you been feeding Levin ideas?
Nope.
Mark Levin is spot on.
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Mark Levin and Mark Steyn are my two favorite political commentators. Levin is right. This is the biggest scandal, maybe in American politics. Certainly bigger than Watergate, but since the Democrats are GUILTY, the Media won't generate the necessary public outcry to get any traction to hold them accountable.
This is more than just a political scandal, this is a COUP attempt that keeps failing, but the traitors keep trying. Everyone involved with this coup, including those in the Media are guilty of Sedition, and need to be prosecuted.
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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2019/07/25/former-federal-prosecutor-its-clear-to-me-that-mueller-did-not-run-or-understand-his-investigation-n2550577
Wow. That was indeed painful to watch. :(
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Wow. That was indeed painful to watch. :(
Levin tells it like it is.
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Wow. That was indeed painful to watch. :(
I assume you mean painful in the vein of "The truth hurts".
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Levin tells it like it is.
I agreed with him about "onset dementia", in fact I think I said that was a distinct possibility. The video just drove the point home solidly.
I think it's a leap, though, to say that Mueller was a figurehead all along and that Rosenstein shouldn't have appointed him. These things develop slowly. He might have been quite competent back then, and only started to fail as the investigation went along. Or he might have been lucid until recently. We just don't know.
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I assume you mean painful in the vein of "The truth hurts".
No I don't. I mean painful as in, this was a respected prosecutor, by all accounts a sharp mind, and now he's reduced to barely being able to answer simple questions. I think that's very sad, don't you?
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I agreed with him about "onset dementia", in fact I think I said that was a distinct possibility. The video just drove the point home solidly.
I think it's a leap, though, to say that Mueller was a figurehead all along and that Rosenstein shouldn't have appointed him. These things develop slowly. He might have been quite competent back then, and only started to fail as the investigation went along. Or he might have been lucid until recently. We just don't know.
Keep in mind that Levin knows all these players, and in some cases, has worked with them in previous administrations.
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No I don't. I mean painful as in, this was a respected prosecutor, by all accounts a sharp mind, and now he's reduced to barely being able to answer simple questions. I think that's very sad, don't you?
Yes, I do.
But I think it is more sad that he was in charge of the bogus investigation. Regardless of whether his condition was evident.
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No I don't. I mean painful as in, this was a respected prosecutor, by all accounts a sharp mind, and now he's reduced to barely being able to answer simple questions. I think that's very sad, don't you?
I'll take exception to the point of Mueller being a respected prosecutor. Take some time and delve into his background.
https://digwithin.net/2018/04/08/muellers-history/
and the facts presented within this blog can be collaborated.
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No I don't. I mean painful as in, this was a respected prosecutor, by all accounts a sharp mind, and now he's reduced to barely being able to answer simple questions. I think that's very sad, don't you?
I think it was a total ACT.
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I think it was a total ACT.
That crossed my mind. But I actually think he had prepped himself not to answer any question about certain topics, and that made him look unsure. But he was just sure that he wasn't going to say much.
I think it was also painfully obvious that he is very hard of hearing. I say "painful" because I am very hard of hearing too and I know how difficult that is, especially when you are in the spotlight. But even though I am sympathetic to him about that, I would never accept a position where it is so imperative that I hear and understand everything presented to me verbally. That is why I spend so much time on the computer. Reading and typing comes much easier to me than talking and listening.
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Powell's book is 464 pages and it's clear from her interviews that she's a Trump partisan. I don't have time to read that much one-sided polemic.
You really have to read (or listen to or watch) one-sided polemics. There is no objective source anymore. MSM is one sided for sure. So if you don’t absorb some “hard right” sources you are definitely missing a big part of the picture.
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https://amgreatness.com/2019/07/25/dont-let-mueller-fool-you/
Former Special Counsel Robert Mueller on Wednesday gave a performance in front of the House Judiciary and Intelligence committees that Fox News anchor Chris Wallace described as a “disaster for Democrats.”
Mueller, who was appointed by the Justice Department in 2017 to investigate whether Donald Trump’s presidential campaign “colluded” with Russia to rig the 2016 election, appeared nonplussed by his surroundings. His responses to members’ questions posed to him were laconic, to say the least. After a little more than two years of a seemingly unforgiving and endless investigation, Mueller’s appearance was a total flop.
The Democrats have responded to Mueller’s lackluster showing either by quietly admitting it was an unmitigated disaster for their party heading into what will be another contentious presidential election year, or by insisting, as Representative Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) continues to do without evidence, that it proved everything the Left has been saying about Trump’s perfidy.
Republicans mainly have agreed that Mueller was an embarrassment; a doddering old man who was well beyond his prime. Rush Limbaugh has maintained for months that Mueller was merely a figurehead for the investigation into Trump; that he was uninvolved with the day-to-day operations of the insidious, politically-charged investigation.
Instead, Mueller’s presence as the namesake of the investigation into President Trump and his 2016 campaign allowed for true partisans to run amok—and to do so while still hiding in the murky shadows of the swamp.
Don’t be fooled.
Robert Mueller Is Not a Sad Sack
Mueller knew exactly what he was doing. Yes, he appeared much as Muhammad Ali did against Trevor Berbick in 1981: a sad remnant of a once-dominant fighter who was ultimately crushed by his own frailties. Yet, unlike Ali in that fight against Berbick, Mueller has no known or discernible physical or mental ailment that would reduce his talents.
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What Americans saw Wednesday was an act by Mueller to deflect attention away from the fact that his investigation was never going to “prove” any “collusion.” The entire thing was a grotesque act of political theater designed to give the anti-Trump forces of the establishment the boost they needed going into 2020.
Mueller also wanted to protect critical intelligence sources from deeper public scrutiny, meaning that those responsible for initiating the absurd investigation into Trump will not be punished for their wrongdoing and, further, that these same people will be free to attempt similar shenanigans in the future. That’s right. The deep state will live to fight another day. Now that their attempt to defeat Trump through investigations and false accusations has faltered, Mueller would rather be viewed as a hapless hack than as the corrupt top cop he is.
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https://www.conservativereview.com/news/levin-no-mueller-report-weissmann-report/
“I want to thank the Democrat Party today for this hearing — actually two hearings,” Levin said. “I want to thank them, because they just killed impeachment. See, this was an impeachment trial. They used to call them ‘the best and the brightest.’ Now they’re the worst and the dumbest. Unbelievable. Robert Mueller. I’m not going to mock him, as they would mock him if he were testifying for the other side, but what you saw today … was a fraud, a ruse, that has been perpetrated against the American people. There is no Mueller report. It’s a Weissmann report. There is no Mueller special counsel. It was the Weissmann special counsel. Weissmann. And this little bastard — that’s right, I said it! — Weissmann, who destroyed Arthur Andersen and 80,000 jobs — in a 9-0 decision, Supreme Court, that reversed him on this very issue of obstruction of justice. He’s the invisible hand that’s been behind the whole damn thing, from day one. … This wasn’t a special counsel office; this wasn’t an office of prosecutors. This was an office of Democrat activists who happen to be attorneys in the government. And they had the power to use criminal law and processes and tools to advance a political agenda, even though they failed. That’s why they were so hot to get Manafort.”
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This wasn’t a special counsel office; this wasn’t an office of prosecutors. This was an office of Democrat activists who happen to be attorneys in the government. And they had the power to use criminal law and processes and tools to advance a political agenda, even though they failed.
Mark Levin is spot on. Who are the Globalist criminals behind all this?
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https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2019/07/26/good-riddance-to-bob-mueller-n2550676
Is it wrong to take pleasure in the utter humiliation of Robert Mueller? If it is, then I’m sure not right. We are not going to get formal justice – if this fiasco has taught us anything, it is that – but at least we got to see some karma in action. It was Mueller Time all right and that human punchline we saw there on TV, forgetting and fumbling, is now Mueller For All Time.
Serves him right. Slink away, Bobby. Just go. You’ve done enough damage to too many individuals and to our country. Be gone.
Sure, his service as a Marine destroying damn communists in the '60s goes a long way, but then spearheading, in a figurehead sort of way, the dishonorable destruction of the lives of many, many decent Americans for the unforgivable crime of daring to work with a president our elite disdains more than balances out the good. Mueller made a choice to play along with the soft coup because, like so many other useless DC creatures, he felt that his caste had the right to countermand the will of the electorate.
So, don’t expect me to shed any tears for his tattered reputation. When all those innocent people he trashed in his quest to undo the 2016 election get their reputations back – and when they get made whole from being impoverished by the lawyer bills they were forced to incur – I’ll start caring that Robert Mueller’s legacy will be that of a doddering oaf who scratched his scattered head and wondered aloud what that newfangled “Fusion GPS” was.
Oh boy, he locked up Manafort, but not any Podestas or anyone else not associated with Trump. Dossier? What dossier?
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https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2019/07/26/good-riddance-to-bob-mueller-n2550676
That was well said. I feel sorry for him in the way I’d feel sorry seeing a kid getting a well deserved whipping but that’s because I have human empathy. Doesn’t mean I don’t agree he needed the whipping.
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That was well said. I feel sorry for him in the way I’d feel sorry seeing a kid getting a well deserved whipping but that’s because I have human empathy. Doesn’t mean I don’t agree he needed the whipping.
Agreed, but I tend to sympathize with old people more than young people. That kid getting the whipping may just learn something. Punishing old people is just, well, punishment. As I get older, I realize that just getting older is punishment enough.
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https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2019/07/26/real-goal-mueller-investigation-cover-fbis-actions-trump/
Former special counsel’s Robert Mueller’s weakened state came as a shock to most of us as he sat before the House Judiciary and Intelligence Committees on Wednesday to answer questions about his investigation. Although he refused to answer most questions and deflected others, his testimony provided some key information.
We learned that the stated reason for the appointment of the special counsel, which was to evaluate the extent of Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential election and to determine if candidate Trump conspired with Russia to defeat Hillary Clinton, was not it’s true purpose. Mueller’s refusal to address questions about the genesis of the investigation, the FBI’s actions, and the Steele dossier combined with the final report’s failure to address those issues, revealed an important truth. The Mueller investigation was about covering up the unethical/illegal actions taken by top FBI and DOJ officials to prevent Trump from winning the presidency and once elected, their efforts to sabotage his ability to govern. It was an attempt to draw attention away from the misconduct of former FBI officials including James Comey, Peter Strzok, Andrew McCabe, Lisa Page and James Baker and to cast suspicion onto President Trump.
The Wall Street Journal’s Kimberley Strassel wrote an excellent editorial entitled “What Mueller Was Trying to Hide,” in which she argues that the investigation was about protecting the actual miscreants in the collusion hoax. Strassel wrote:
The most notable aspect of the Mueller report was always what it omitted: the origins of this mess…The Mueller report authors studiously wrote around the dossier, mentioning it only in perfunctory terms. The report ignored Mr. Steele’s paymaster, Fusion GPS, and its own ties to Russians. It also ignored Fusion’s paymaster, the Clinton campaign, and the ugly politics behind the dossier hit job. Mr. Mueller’s testimony this week put to rest any doubt that this sheltering was deliberate.
In his opening statement he declared that he would not “address questions about the opening of the FBI’s Russia investigation, which occurred months before my appointment, or matters related to the so-called Steele Dossier.” The purpose of those omissions was obvious, as those two areas go to the heart of why the nation has been forced to endure years of collusion fantasy.
She points out that Mueller refused to discuss the dossier because it “predated his tenure and is the subject of a Justice Department investigation.” Both excuses are dishonest. “Nearly everything Mr. Mueller investigated predated his tenure, and there’s no reason the Justice Department probe bars Mr. Mueller from providing a straightforward, factual account of his team’s handling of the dossier.”
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Agreed, but I tend to sympathize with old people more than young people. That kid getting the whipping may just learn something. Punishing old people is just, well, punishment. As I get older, I realize that just getting older is punishment enough.
Yeah. Whatever Mueller may or may not have done, no one deserves dementia, or whatever medical issue he has.
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Agreed, but I tend to sympathize with old people more than young people. That kid getting the whipping may just learn something. Punishing old people is just, well, punishment. As I get older, I realize that just getting older is punishment enough.
Ain't that the truth.
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Ain't that the truth.
I have zero compassion for that pig.
The one I feel for is sitting in solitary confinement in a shit hole prison for a tax return error.’mueller can go fuck a tree limb for all I care.
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I have zero compassion for that pig.
The one I feel for is sitting in solitary confinement in a shit hole prison for a tax return error.’mueller can go fuck a tree limb for all I care.
Mueller and company have destroyed several lives, not only in the recent sham hoax but in previous botched investigations.
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/07/the-updated-list-130-times-the-fbi-doj-and-or-mueller-gang-deviated-from-standard-practice-or-committed-crimes-in-efforts-to-exonerate-hillary-and-indict-president-trump/
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bump to get the spammers off the front page