PILOT SPIN

Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: President in Exile YOLT on November 16, 2017, 11:13:59 AM

Title: Bastillemore
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 16, 2017, 11:13:59 AM
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2017/11/16/shelter-in-place-in-effect-for-neighborhood-in-west-baltimore/

"Shelter in place"? Is this a new term for house arrest?
Title: Re: Bastillemore
Post by: Anthony on November 16, 2017, 12:29:02 PM
WTF???  I think they'd have to declare Martial Law to do that.  Baltimore is a cesspool. 
Title: Re: Bastillemore
Post by: Number7 on November 16, 2017, 01:31:38 PM
Baltimore has become the inevitable result of democrat policies.
Title: Re: Bastillemore
Post by: Jim Logajan on November 16, 2017, 02:03:21 PM
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2017/11/16/shelter-in-place-in-effect-for-neighborhood-in-west-baltimore/

"Shelter in place"? Is this a new term for house arrest?

It is entirely the wrong term of use. Neither is martial law or house arrest. The relevant authority would be granted by any city or state emergency curfew laws. Generally the mayor or governor would be the ones granted the power to declare an emergency curfew.

If the police are calling it a "shelter in place" rather than a curfew, then it is advisory only.
Title: Re: Bastillemore
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 16, 2017, 06:03:07 PM
It is entirely the wrong term of use. Neither is martial law or house arrest. The relevant authority would be granted by any city or state emergency curfew laws. Generally the mayor or governor would be the ones granted the power to declare an emergency curfew.

If the police are calling it a "shelter in place" rather than a curfew, then it is advisory only.

"This shelter-in-place means no one is allowed to come into the Harlem Park neighborhood and no one is allowed out until everything is cleared. "

How is that not unlawful imprisonment?

Title: Re: Bastillemore
Post by: Jim Logajan on November 16, 2017, 07:39:52 PM
"This shelter-in-place means no one is allowed to come into the Harlem Park neighborhood and no one is allowed out until everything is cleared. "

How is that not unlawful imprisonment?

Not going to defend crazy cop antics. But I don't trust the media to get their terminology correct either.

That said, according to this story, https://newsline.com/baltimore-neighborhood-on-lockdown-as-police-hunt-man-who-shot-detective/ (https://newsline.com/baltimore-neighborhood-on-lockdown-as-police-hunt-man-who-shot-detective/):

"Police have surrounded a neighborhood in West Baltimore in search of the gunman who shot and gravely injured a veteran detective."
...
"As of Thursday morning, a “shelter in place” order was in effect as police combed the neighborhood, meaning no one was allowed to enter or leave the police perimeter."


So basically a police perimeter was created - that's not a curfew as I understand the term, nor martial law, nor house arrest. As I understand it, a police perimeter is used to preserve the integrity of a crime scene. The allowed size, scope, and duration of such perimeters are likely buried in city, county, or state laws. Could be it violated some rights. I see this came up after the Boston bombing and this guy gave the pragmatic view, if not the legal one, from the police perspective:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/quora/2013/05/09/boston_bombing_lockdown_could_you_have_refused_to_let_police_enter_your.html (http://www.slate.com/blogs/quora/2013/05/09/boston_bombing_lockdown_could_you_have_refused_to_let_police_enter_your.html)