Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on January 02, 2022, 12:06:20 PM
What is the defining characteristic for a virus to be called SARS-Cov-2 or a variant thereof?
Presumably with all these variants eventually after enough mutations the virus should not have the same name. I have looked around a bit, and while I find lots of discussions of variants and the effects of different sequence changes, I cannot find an answer to this definitional question.
Post by: Little Joe on January 02, 2022, 12:24:37 PM
Question that perhaps @steingar or other posters can help with.Be careful. If you ask too many questions you will be labeled a "science denier".
What is the defining characteristic for a virus to be called SARS-Cov-2 or a variant thereof?
Presumably with all these variants eventually after enough mutations the virus should not have the same name. I have looked around a bit, and while I find lots of discussions of variants and the effects of different sequence changes, I cannot find an answer to this definitional question.
BTW, been wondering where you've been lately.
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on January 02, 2022, 12:30:09 PM
Be careful. If you ask too many questions you will be labeled a "science denier".That is pretty funny if people try to label me that!
BTW, been wondering where you've been lately.
Been moving most aviation related posts to Purple Board. It does not seem at all clear to me that management here wants this expanded into a more general aviation board.
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 02, 2022, 12:31:24 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus_classification (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus_classification)
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on January 02, 2022, 12:35:56 PM
Many presumably useful hits when using search terms "virus naming convention". Among them is this one which may partially answer your question:Thanks. Apparently “The matter is, for many, not yet settled.[2]”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus_classification (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus_classification)
I am just curious in the case of SARS-Cov-2 when it will no longer be called that and Covid-19.
Sounds like they will cross that bridge when they come to it. Perhaps a major change in the S-protein binding site would do the trick.
Post by: Little Joe on January 02, 2022, 12:36:57 PM
That is pretty funny if people try to label me that!It's still possible. Heck, I get called a liberal pussy on this board. But relatively speaking, they may be right. On some other boards I'm called a far right Trumpster.
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Been moving most aviation related posts to Purple Board. It does not seem at all clear to me that management here wants this expanded into a more general aviation board.Part of it is that there really is no management on this board. Most people came here to get away from the heavy moderation that usually develops on many general aviation web sites.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 02, 2022, 12:38:40 PM
Part of it is that there really is no management on this board. Most people came here to get away from the heavy moderation that usually develops on many general aviation web sites.
+1
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on January 02, 2022, 12:45:59 PM
It's still possible. Heck, I get called a liberal pussy on this board. But relatively speaking, they may be right. On some other boards I'm called a far right Trumpster.I actually prefer the light moderation here. A few explicit rules but otherwise open.
Part of it is that there really is no management on this board. Most people came here to get away from the heavy moderation that usually develops on many general aviation web sites.
However, the performance on this board leaves something to be desired and so I am reluctant to steer people here with the long delays. I have actually offered to fund upgrade since I like this board and the group rather well, but no interest.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 02, 2022, 01:35:43 PM
I actually prefer the light moderation here. A few explicit rules but otherwise open.
However, the performance on this board leaves something to be desired and so I am reluctant to steer people here with the long delays. I have actually offered to fund upgrade since I like this board and the group rather well, but no interest.
Performance?
You have problems with the board performance?
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on January 02, 2022, 01:44:26 PM
Performance?Yes. All the time. Takes 1 or 2 minutes to produce a reply to page.
You have problems with the board performance?
So far as I can tell it must have to do with caching. Because I have a Nagios instance monitoring the load time of a thread with a lot of posts and the problem does not show up there often.
My suggestion would be to move off of GoDaddy to a virtual server at Linode or something similar. Or better instrument the database performance on the back end. But as I say, so far no interest in such upgrades.
Post by: Anthony on January 02, 2022, 01:50:20 PM
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on January 02, 2022, 01:58:26 PM
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 02, 2022, 02:12:37 PM
I have no such performance problems with this board Peter. I don't think anyone else does either. It loads and responds very quickly. Maybe we can ask the management. Lucifer, Stan, any ideas?
This board sometimes hesitates for as much as a minute (or even two) on loading threads for me too, so the problem isn't on his end. I'm sure it is being run on an inexpensive (possibly even free) account. A decent server with better performance doesn't cost much these days: $20/month is what I pay for a Linode account (another $5 buys me periodic backups.)
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 02, 2022, 02:23:26 PM
Yes. All the time. Takes 1 or 2 minutes to produce a reply to page.
So far as I can tell it must have to do with caching. Because I have a Nagios instance monitoring the load time of a thread with a lot of posts and the problem does not show up there often.
My suggestion would be to move off of GoDaddy to a virtual server at Linode or something similar. Or better instrument the database performance on the back end. But as I say, so far no interest in such upgrades.
I actually have more delays posting a reply on POA
Post by: nddons on January 02, 2022, 03:00:53 PM
Part of it is that there really is no management on this board. Most people came here to get away from the heavy moderation that usually develops on many general aviation web sites.
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Watch it sir, or you will be banned for a millisecond or two. Lol.
Post by: nddons on January 02, 2022, 03:03:01 PM
I have no such performance problems with this board Peter. I don't think anyone else does either. It loads and responds very quickly. Maybe we can ask the management. Lucifer, Stan, any ideas?I have no problems either, though 95% of my involvement on PS is done through Tapatalk, which has some of its own issues.
Post by: nddons on January 02, 2022, 03:12:54 PM
I’m not sure I follow. Isn’t the Purple Board a general aviation board?
Been moving most aviation related posts to Purple Board. It does not seem at all clear to me that management here wants this expanded into a more general aviation board.
I for one appreciate you posting more aviation threads. If you aren’t getting responses, it might be because we are a smaller group, and some participants may not be active pilots.
True, we don’t have the “Which headset should I buy?” or the classic “Should I train in a high wing or low wing?” stuff, but I’d like more aviation-related stuff, even if it’s hybrid with politics, like my Linebacker II post.
I don’t have the energy to get back into the Purple Board or one of the other couple of moderated clones of POA. Facebook has a bunch of aviation threads; I’m on 3 or 4 for NAvions / L-17s alone. But they are all strangers.
I like this group because I feel like I’m Norm walking into the bar on Cheers.
Post by: Rush on January 02, 2022, 03:41:49 PM
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 02, 2022, 03:59:13 PM
I’m not sure I follow. Isn’t the Purple Board a general aviation board?
Yes, but political posts there are unlikely to get you bounced, nor post deleted, nor thread removed from existence. It technically does have a subforum for divisive topics, but I've never bothered to ask for access. There are several regulars here that I know also post on the purple board, among other forums.
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I like this group because I feel like I’m Norm walking into the bar on Cheers.
The purple board evinces the same feel once you hang out a while, IMHO. It is probably somewhat cliquish-appearing to newcomers, much as this forum felt to me when I first registered.
This forum is best for its intended audience: people with some association with aviation (or not) who desire a soap box to express their views on the verboten topics of the day.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 02, 2022, 04:18:33 PM
I like this group because I feel like I’m Norm walking into the bar on Cheers.
Stan!!! :D
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 02, 2022, 04:19:39 PM
The purple board evinces the same feel once you hang out a while, IMHO. It is probably somewhat cliquish-appearing to newcomers, much as this forum felt to me when I first registered.
This forum is best for its intended audience: people with some association with aviation (or not) who desire a soap box to express their views on the verboten topics of the day.
I think Last is the only semi-cliquish thread. I think folks are afraid to venture in there, but we are very friendly. More people posts in other threads generally.
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on January 02, 2022, 04:22:11 PM
I’m not sure I follow. Isn’t the Purple Board a general aviation board?
I for one appreciate you posting more aviation threads. If you aren’t getting responses, it might be because we are a smaller group, and some participants may not be active pilots.
Yes, PB is. My point is that with the delays I experience here, I am not willing to invite people over from PoA on either political or aviation subjects. Since my primary interest on these boards is aviation, I am experimenting with PB to see if it would be suitable.
Post by: bflynn on January 02, 2022, 04:25:34 PM
Yes. All the time. Takes 1 or 2 minutes to produce a reply to page.
I get that from time to time. Restarting my browser fixes it (the classic offon computer fix).
Post by: nddons on January 02, 2022, 04:26:05 PM
I think Last is the only semi-cliquish thread. I think folks are afraid to venture in there, but we are very friendly. More people posts in other threads generally.I participated there early on, when I think it was Kim Pardon’s baby. I couldn’t tell you how many posts I had or the last time it was that I logged on (maybe you can look it up?) but it’s been quite a while.
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on January 02, 2022, 04:28:07 PM
I get that from time to time. Restarting my browser fixes it (the classic offon computer fix).That also seems to help sometimes. However, that sort of thing would not be acceptable if a large number of posters started using PS instead of PoA. Indeed, it might get worse with higher load.
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 02, 2022, 04:41:26 PM
Post by: nddons on January 02, 2022, 05:28:16 PM
Stan!!! :DHa! Thanks Rebecca (I mean Kirstie
). I envision:
Rush = a much more attractive but equally sassy Carla
Anthony = Sam Malone
Number 7 = Woody
Lucifer = Cliff Claven
Jim Logajan = Frazier
Little Joe = Coach
Steingar = Lilith
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 02, 2022, 07:35:21 PM
I participated there early on, when I think it was Kim Pardon’s baby. I couldn’t tell you how many posts I had or the last time it was that I logged on (maybe you can look it up?) but it’s been quite a while.Last Activity: 02-27-2016 02:02 AM
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Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 02, 2022, 07:41:32 PM
That also seems to help sometimes. However, that sort of thing would not be acceptable if a large number of posters started using PS instead of PoA. Indeed, it might get worse with higher load.You can always go and try https://thepilotsplace.com/index.html (https://thepilotsplace.com/index.html) It is Brian Straub's forum. Haven't been there in quite awhile so I don't know how the aviation content is. I can assure you the political forum is ruled by the leftists as Brian is one and manages to chase off most folks on the right.
Brian created this forum on two separate occasions. He was along time denizon of the PB but decided he wanted to start his own forum and try and draw folks away from the PB. it didn't pan out.
His second run at it came after the AOPA closed their forums so he invited everyone to his forum. He left the PB in between because he got his feeling hurt one day. That took him to the AOPA forums.
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on January 02, 2022, 07:59:55 PM
Post by: nddons on January 02, 2022, 11:17:41 PM
Last Activity: 02-27-2016 02:02 AMWow, I’m quite the high timer. Lol
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Post by: nddons on January 02, 2022, 11:20:38 PM
You can always go and try https://thepilotsplace.com/index.html (https://thepilotsplace.com/index.html) It is Brian Straub's forum. Haven't been there in quite awhile so I don't know how the aviation content is. I can assure you the political forum is ruled by the leftists as Brian is one and manages to chase off most folks on the right.The Purple Board pre-dated the closing of the AOPA boards? I wasn’t aware of that.
Brian created this forum on two separate occasions. He was along time denizon of the PB but decided he wanted to start his own forum and try and draw folks away from the PB. it didn't pan out.
His second run at it came after the AOPA closed their forums so he invited everyone to his forum. He left the PB in between because he got his feeling hurt one day. That took him to the AOPA forums.
I thought POA came about because of the crack down on the AOPA red board, and the purple board came about subsequent to POA being formed.
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 03, 2022, 12:12:13 AM
The Purple Board pre-dated the closing of the AOPA boards? I wasn’t aware of that.
I thought POA came about because of the crack down on the AOPA red board, and the purple board came about subsequent to POA being formed.
{Pardon the continued off-topic posting}
Purple = blue (PoA) + red (AOPA).
Found this 15 year old thread on the purple board with posters there comparing the differences between PoA, AOPA, and Purple board forums (requires an account on purple board):
https://www.purpleboard.net/forums/showthread.php?t=701&highlight=blue+red+purple (https://www.purpleboard.net/forums/showthread.php?t=701&highlight=blue+red+purple)
Quoting a couple posters from that era and thread which gives some historical background:
Frank Brown, post #26: "I think some of the explanation may lie in the genesis of the two boards. PoA was born when the AOPA forums were closed for a few months for a complete change in software a few years ago. There was no compelling reason other that that. When AOPA came back online after the upgrade, many of the ones that went blue during the interim came back, and some didn't. and some, like me, drifted back and forth.
PBP, on the other hand was formed when a great many people simply got feed up with the way the red board was, and still is, being run. And most of those folks were fairly new to the boards, and just didn't know about PoA, so when we went live, those people flooded over here. As for why there seems to be more activity here well, I've got some ideas about that which I won't state publicly. PoA seems to be a very tight knit community, whereas we seem to be much more open and jovial. I just think people feel more comfortable posting here."
Juliett, post 46: "I guess that's the way I see it. The Red Board is heavily moderated, the Blue board is semi-moderated and the Purple board is hardly-moderated."
Still, I suspect there is stuff posted to pilotspin that even the purple board would have problems with. The fact that purple board and piltospin posts are NOT publicly visible to non-members appears to have stifled their growth compared to PoA. And sadly, a lot of people possess inadequate internal filters and/or have excess controlling impulses, so they come to hate light moderation or moderators who don't act on their demands. From what I've read, that was allegedly the cases with some high-profile ego-centric individuals who joined the purple board who then huffed off when their demands weren't met.
Post by: Little Joe on January 03, 2022, 05:03:57 AM
Well my preference would be to up the performance here at PS. But oh well.Like many others, I am not experiencing any performance problems here on PS. Note that I said "AM" not, as in current tense.
There have been a few periods where I have had problems with performance, but they usually only lasted a few days. I never knew what caused it or what fixed it. Perhaps a server or router reboot somewhere in the pipe. I believe the last time was around September. Co-incidentally I upgraded my computer to a newer, faster system with more memory and a SS disk around then (for unrelated reasons) and have not had any issues with PS since. (Watch me now begin having problems).
I would like to see the seemingly intermittent problems fixed, but I am not sure randomly replacing components is the way to go.
Can you describe your setup? Do you work from a desktop, laptop, Ipad? Unix/Windows? Do you go back and forth and do the performance problems follow you? How old is your router? Have you tried using different browsers? Are you running anti-virus? Which one? (I am SURE you would not have TWO AVs running; right?) Replacing my 5 yr old router cleared up a lot of various performance issues for me.
I would much rather we all spend a little time, and even money if necessary to resolve your problems rather than see you leave here for good.
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on January 03, 2022, 08:23:08 AM
Can you describe your setup? Do you work from a desktop, laptop, Ipad? Unix/Windows? Do you go back and forth and do the performance problems follow you? How old is your router? Have you tried using different browsers? Are you running anti-virus? Which one? (I am SURE you would not have TWO AVs running; right?) Replacing my 5 yr old router cleared up a lot of various performance issues for me.Thanks, I would also rather see PS performance improved, and am willing to contribute the funds necessary.
These are good questions to try and debug the situation. I will track for the next week what appears to be happening, perhaps at a few locations and on a few devices and then provide a more detailed report.
I note that I just now waited over a minute for this reply to page to load.
Post by: Mr Pou on January 03, 2022, 08:25:37 AM
Post by: Lucifer on January 03, 2022, 08:48:11 AM
Post by: Rush on January 03, 2022, 09:17:20 AM
It depends on which user is being surveilled by the NSA.......... ;)
https://nsa.gov1.info/data/
If You Have Nothing to Hide, You Have Nothing to Fear!
Post by: nddons on January 03, 2022, 10:04:25 AM
{Pardon the continued off-topic posting}Thanks for the background. I appreciate the search. I forgot when AOPA went from what was known as the Yellow Board to the Red Board when they re-opened.
Purple = blue (PoA) + red (AOPA).
Found this 15 year old thread on the purple board with posters there comparing the differences between PoA, AOPA, and Purple board forums (requires an account on purple board):
https://www.purpleboard.net/forums/showthread.php?t=701&highlight=blue+red+purple (https://www.purpleboard.net/forums/showthread.php?t=701&highlight=blue+red+purple)
Quoting a couple posters from that era and thread which gives some historical background:
Frank Brown, post #26: "I think some of the explanation may lie in the genesis of the two boards. PoA was born when the AOPA forums were closed for a few months for a complete change in software a few years ago. There was no compelling reason other that that. When AOPA came back online after the upgrade, many of the ones that went blue during the interim came back, and some didn't. and some, like me, drifted back and forth.
PBP, on the other hand was formed when a great many people simply got feed up with the way the red board was, and still is, being run. And most of those folks were fairly new to the boards, and just didn't know about PoA, so when we went live, those people flooded over here. As for why there seems to be more activity here well, I've got some ideas about that which I won't state publicly. PoA seems to be a very tight knit community, whereas we seem to be much more open and jovial. I just think people feel more comfortable posting here."
Juliett, post 46: "I guess that's the way I see it. The Red Board is heavily moderated, the Blue board is semi-moderated and the Purple board is hardly-moderated."
Still, I suspect there is stuff posted to pilotspin that even the purple board would have problems with. The fact that purple board and piltospin posts are NOT publicly visible to non-members appears to have stifled their growth compared to PoA. And sadly, a lot of people possess inadequate internal filters and/or have excess controlling impulses, so they come to hate light moderation or moderators who don't act on their demands. From what I've read, that was allegedly the cases with some high-profile ego-centric individuals who joined the purple board who then huffed off when their demands weren't met.
As for PB and PS not being publicly visible to nonmembers, that is a good feature, not a bug, in my opinion.
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on January 03, 2022, 05:52:05 PM
As for PB and PS not being publicly visible to nonmembers, that is a good feature, not a bug, in my opinion.
It definitely decreases the number of new users. What do you see as the advantages?
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on January 03, 2022, 05:53:35 PM
Post by: Little Joe on January 03, 2022, 06:34:22 PM
Back to the OP. When you think about this in terms of signs and symptoms, prior to the ability to sequence a virus, would omicron even have been recognized as the same pandemic?And if not, would anyone even have cared about it?
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on January 03, 2022, 06:45:12 PM
And if not, would anyone even have cared about it?Good question!
Post by: nddons on January 03, 2022, 06:54:42 PM
It definitely decreases the number of new users. What do you see as the advantages?For the same reasons as I don’t put my own political thoughts on Facebook and turn my security off so it’s open for everyone to see.
Some of my posts on POA turn up on a Google search. Fortunately they were strictly aviation oriented, but I don’t want what I post here to be seen by the world. I, and I think most of us, approach these discussions as between friends or colleagues.
Pilot Spin is unique. That’s why I’m here.
Post by: Rush on January 03, 2022, 07:32:12 PM
For the same reasons as I don’t put my own political thoughts on Facebook and turn my security off so it’s open for everyone to see.
Some of my posts on POA turn up on a Google search. Fortunately they were strictly aviation oriented, but I don’t want what I post here to be seen by the world. I, and I think most of us, approach these discussions as between friends or colleagues.
Pilot Spin is unique. That’s why I’m here.
This^^^^^ I don’t want posts accessible to search engines.
While I would like a few more users, I kind of like the small family feel of this place.
Post by: nddons on January 03, 2022, 08:56:43 PM
This^^^^^ I don’t want posts accessible to search engines.Exactly. We even have some of those weird Cousin Eddie-types!
While I would like a few more users, I kind of like the small family feel of this place.
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on January 06, 2022, 06:46:12 PM
Thanks, I would also rather see PS performance improved, and am willing to contribute the funds necessary.
These are good questions to try and debug the situation. I will track for the next week what appears to be happening, perhaps at a few locations and on a few devices and then provide a more detailed report.
I note that I just now waited over a minute for this reply to page to load.
Moved discussion of this issue over to a new thread in the Forum Feedback and Tutorials sub-forum. The problem still seems to persist.
http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?topic=6130.0
Post by: Mase on January 06, 2022, 06:59:08 PM
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Post by: Rush on January 06, 2022, 07:33:31 PM
It is very fast for me.
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Most of the time it’s very fast for me too, less than a second. That’s why the ten or fifteen second long delays are so out of character when they happen.