PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Witmo on November 28, 2016, 08:53:22 AM
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So tell me how an American citizen is going to feel if President Trump goes on television and says we have to send American troops into country X because of a clear and present danger to the United States? Or, just as worse, ignores a real threat and goes on television (or tweets): not to worry, I have it on good authority that country x has no plans to do America harm. I wouldn't believe a single thing coming out of that man's mouth. Previous presidents have lied occasionally, they've "managed" the truth in such ways as it overstated whatever position they favored, some have even ignored the truth and said nothing but none have, time and again, blatantly made up doo doo with absolutely no facts to back him up and his supporters either look the other way, or even worse, believe him on face value alone because it fits in with their personal biases. God help us all.
Re: Millions of votes from illegal aliens (just the latest Trumism)
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So tell me how an American citizen is going to feel if President Trump goes on television and says we have to send American troops into country X because of a clear and present danger to the United States? Or, just as worse, ignores a real threat and goes on television (or tweets): not to worry, I have it on good authority that country x has no plans to do America harm. I wouldn't believe a single thing coming out of that man's mouth. Previous presidents have lied occasionally, they've "managed" the truth in such ways as it overstated whatever position they favored, some have even ignored the truth and said nothing but none have, time and again, blatantly made up doo doo with absolutely no facts to back him up and his supporters either look the other way, or even worse, believe him on face value alone because it fits in with their personal biases. God help us all.
Re: Millions of votes from illegal aliens (just the latest Trumism)
We have a bigger clear and present danger, and it's internal: the ideology of the Left.
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We have a bigger clear and present danger, and it's internal: the ideology of the Left.
And this post, above many others, has truly underscored the real problem in our modern culture. The one problem that if left to fester will result in ore destruction.
The problem: the mass polarization of our citizenship.
This is our internal danger.
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"previous presidents have lied occasionally" ROTFLMAO
I guess you aren't old enough to remember clinton.
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Re: Millions of votes from illegal aliens (just the latest Trumism)
btw - can you provide a reference for the " Millions of votes from illegal aliens"?
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btw - can you provide a reference for the " Millions of votes from illegal aliens"?
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/802972944532209664
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/802973848022847489
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/802975667197386752
Straight from the president-elect's "mouth."
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We have a bigger clear and present danger, and it's internal: the ideology of the Left.
I would add the foreign interests, promoting, funding, and manipulating the internal activists on the left that hate America.
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/802972944532209664
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/802973848022847489
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/802975667197386752
Straight from the president-elect's "mouth."
And those tweets discussed illegal ALIENS?
I guess the SNL effect continues on....
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And those tweets discussed illegal ALIENS?
I guess the SNL effect continues on....
Well, I sure as hell know what the guy meant. If you don't, I pity you.
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Well, I sure as hell know what the guy meant. If you don't, I pity you.
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Discussions usually are better when people don't make s*** up.
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And those tweets discussed illegal ALIENS?
I guess the SNL effect continues on....
It is the Colbert, Stewart, SNL zone, where people under 35 are getting their "NEWS". They've been raised in government schools, and fed anti American propaganda, then go home and watch these "comedians", get the same thing, and think it is the truth. Very, very sad.
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Discussions usually are better when people don't make s*** up.
The guy made a mistake and added the word aliens. Plenty of others (yourself and myself included) have done worse.
Let it go.
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It is the Colbert, Stewart, SNL zone, where people under 35 are getting their "NEWS". They've been raised in government schools, and fed anti American propaganda, then go home and watch these "comedians", get the same thing, and think it is the truth. Very, very sad.
See post #2
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Regarding original post, the idea of a president communicating directly with the people is not new. But it has historically been scripted, as in fireside chats, State of the Union, etc.
Trump's tweets provide an unedited channel of communication. As we all know, this has good and bad aspects. But Trump is obviously abandoning one monolith (conservatism) for the reigning and powerful populism that put him in office. Yes, populism has its own issues. But Trump won by speaking directly and frankly with the 1,000,000+ people who attended his rallies. HRC drew roughly 110,000, and was correctly perceived as dishonest, a veiler and manipulator of truth, with the promise of more opaqueness if elected.
Witness, too, her engagement with this recount move. At the very least it looks like she could be party to a Constitutional crisis if the electoral votes are delayed. And she remains in the shadows.
People are tired of never, yes, never, being sure about what is really going on with their leaders. Trump is trying to stay in touch. It's a process and will unfold roughly, but it's an important process if our country is to be truly ours.
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Anyone with enough sense to turn away from the scam that is the lame stream media who work directly for the DNC and their organs like soros, already knows where and who our enemies are and what they do. Anyone who doesn't can easily find out by ignoring the crock of shot spewed by the lame stream and the alt-left fake news they spread.
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Regarding original post, the idea of a president communicating directly with the people is not new. But it has historically been scripted, as in fireside chats, State of the Union, etc.
Trump's tweets provide an unedited channel of communication. As we all know, this has good and bad aspects. But Trump is obviously abandoning one monolith (conservatism) for the reigning and powerful populism that put him in office. Yes, populism has its own issues. But Trump won by speaking directly and frankly with the 1,000,000+ people who attended his rallies. HRC drew roughly 110,000, and was correctly perceived as dishonest, a veiler and manipulator of truth, with the promise of more opaqueness if elected.
Witness, too, her engagement with this recount move. At the very least it looks like she could be party to a Constitutional crisis if the electoral votes are delayed. And she remains in the shadows.
People are tired of never, yes, never, being sure about what is really going on with their leaders. Trump is trying to stay in touch. It's a process and will unfold roughly, but it's an important process if our country is to be truly ours.
So I'm to feel happy that Trump is communicating his fantasies directly via social media rather than scripting/filtering it through a staff? I feel so much better having a real insight into the mind of the soon to be leader of the free world who apparently, time and again, believes whatever he chooses to believe without any factual basis to back it up and is willing to communicate it to the world via twitter--got it. This might be very interesting if it weren't so terrifying. Those of you who laugh and shrug it off as liberal hyperbole have never wielded the power of life or death over troops sworn to obey the orders of those appointed above them. It comes down to trust, the title of this thread. I can't trust someone who says or tweets whatever pops into his head or believes everything that conforms with his bias and disbelieves anything that runs counter to it before any sort of critical analysis. I pity our Armed Forces who will have a Commander in Chief for whom trust comes down to a crap shoot and who apparently has grown rich thinking any screw-up can be overcome by working the system (eg. declaring bankruptcy) and getting a do over at someone else's expense. Of course he may never commit US forces to go into harms way, one may only hope. I'm just saying that for the guys and gals at the pointy end of the stick, trust means something and running your mouth off via twitter for no good reason doesn't instill confidence.
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So I'm to feel happy that Trump is communicating his fantasies directly via social media rather than scripting/filtering it through a staff? I feel so much better having a real insight into the mind of the soon to be leader of the free world who apparently, time and again, believes whatever he chooses to believe without any factual basis to back it up and is willing to communicate it to the world via twitter--got it. This might be very interesting if it weren't so terrifying. Those of you who laugh and shrug it off as liberal hyperbole have never wielded the power of life or death over troops sworn to obey the orders of those appointed above them. It comes down to trust, the title of this thread. I can't trust someone who says or tweets whatever pops into his head or believes everything that conforms with his bias and disbelieves anything that runs counter to it before any sort of critical analysis. I pity our Armed Forces who will have a Commander in Chief for whom trust comes down to a crap shoot and who apparently has grown rich thinking any screw-up can be overcome by working the system (eg. declaring bankruptcy) and getting a do over at someone else's expense. Of course he may never commit US forces to go into harms way, one may only hope. I'm just saying that for the guys and gals at the pointy end of the stick, trust means something and running your mouth off via twitter for no good reason doesn't instill confidence.
the ACA will save the average American $2,500
If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor.
If you like your plan you can keep your plan.
Talk about trust.
I understand there is nothing that will make you trust Trump.
Let us not forget either that the candidate of the left conceded the election with a big flowery speech about working together, blah, blah, blah. Look who is part of the recount effort now. Lies, lies and more lies.
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I feel so much better having a real insight into the mind of the soon to be leader of the free world
Well if it makes you feel any better, Obama snuffed the idea that we are the leader of the free world. If anything, we now lead from behind.
But under Trump, that may change.
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Regarding original post, the idea of a president communicating directly with the people is not new. But it has historically been scripted, as in fireside chats, State of the Union, etc.
Trump's tweets provide an unedited channel of communication. As we all know, this has good and bad aspects. But Trump is obviously abandoning one monolith (conservatism) for the reigning and powerful populism that put him in office. Yes, populism has its own issues. But Trump won by speaking directly and frankly with the 1,000,000+ people who attended his rallies. HRC drew roughly 110,000, and was correctly perceived as dishonest, a veiler and manipulator of truth, with the promise of more opaqueness if elected.
Witness, too, her engagement with this recount move. At the very least it looks like she could be party to a Constitutional crisis if the electoral votes are delayed. And she remains in the shadows.
People are tired of never, yes, never, being sure about what is really going on with their leaders. Trump is trying to stay in touch. It's a process and will unfold roughly, but it's an important process if our country is to be truly ours.
I think Trump tweeting will be transformational for the media, the typical soundbite manipulation they get away with now won't work. As long as Trump can control himself, which I think he can, I think it will be great. MSM will need to change their ways or quickly become less relevant than they are now.
As far as the recounts go, Stein missed the deadline for Pennsylvania and handcounts have been denied in Wisconsin. Also Wisconsin's machines are not connected to the internet which nullifies the hacking during the election argument. This is really starting to look like a clown show.
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This is really starting to look like a clown show.
But the clown (Stein) cashed out.
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So I'm to feel happy that Trump is communicating his fantasies directly via social media rather than scripting/filtering it through a staff? I feel so much better having a real insight into the mind of the soon to be leader of the free world who apparently, time and again, believes whatever he chooses to believe without any factual basis to back it up and is willing to communicate it to the world via twitter--got it. This might be very interesting if it weren't so terrifying. Those of you who laugh and shrug it off as liberal hyperbole have never wielded the power of life or death over troops sworn to obey the orders of those appointed above them. It comes down to trust, the title of this thread. I can't trust someone who says or tweets whatever pops into his head or believes everything that conforms with his bias and disbelieves anything that runs counter to it before any sort of critical analysis. I pity our Armed Forces who will have a Commander in Chief for whom trust comes down to a crap shoot and who apparently has grown rich thinking any screw-up can be overcome by working the system (eg. declaring bankruptcy) and getting a do over at someone else's expense. Of course he may never commit US forces to go into harms way, one may only hope. I'm just saying that for the guys and gals at the pointy end of the stick, trust means something and running your mouth off via twitter for no good reason doesn't instill confidence.
I am banking on his talent stack. :) I think his intelligence and judgment far surpass that of O or H. I think he wants to be trusted and won't betray trust. He posts video messages on Twitter, too, so you get the visual cues to help decide if you trust him.
All I am saying is give Trump a chance. 8)
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/153775344216/the-trump-talent-stack
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I wouldn't believe a single thing coming out of that man's mouth.
You should have just said this. You would have lost less credibility than trying to twist it around something else.
You really kind of stink at this...
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You should have just said this. You would have lost less credibility than trying to twist it around something else.
You really kind of stink at this...
I'm crushed. Like I really care about what your opinion of my comments are.
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I wouldn't believe a single thing coming out of that man's mouth.
And yet you are willing to give Hillary the benefit of thedoubt unless she actually goes before a jury and is found guilty in a unanimous decision. Even then, I suspect you would blame it on a right wing conspiracy, or on FOX.
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I think Trump tweeting will be transformational for the media, the typical soundbite manipulation they get away with now won't work. As long as Trump can control himself, which I think he can, I think it will be great. MSM will need to change their ways or quickly become less relevant than they are now...
Does anyone else think it amazing that Trump supporters have to hope that Trump controls himself? Every time Trump tweets something ridiculous indicative of his utter lack of self control, somehow the Trump apologists blame MSN or the "media". What exactly does MSN do to manipulate a Trump tweet? Oh yeah, they report it. If Trump had totally ignored all this BS about a recount, I'd think he finally has started to act Presidential and has exercised some restraint but no, true to his personality, he rants on about rigged elections and millions of fraudulent votes. If he was so sure of millions of votes cast by illegals I would think he'd be the one calling for an investigation or recount.Not him. Oh but wait, in a month or two, he'll suddenly mature and make America great again. Here's hoping.
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"CROOKED HILLARY!!!!"
:)
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And yet you are willing to give Hillary the benefit of thedoubt unless she actually goes before a jury and is found guilty in a unanimous decision. Even then, I suspect you would blame it on a right wing conspiracy, or on FOX.
I never said I had absolute trust in anything HRC says or has done. On a trust scale she is far from what I would consider trustworthy but she's magnitudes more so than our President Elect.
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"CROOKED HILLARY!!!!"
:)
..."but she's good people." She's done some bad, bad things but she's good people.
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severely poor judgement
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All of this sounds like sour grapes to me. I don't like a lot of the things Trump does and since being elected I don't agree with all of his decisions. I absolutely think the American people should hold him accountable, including those who voted for him, if we want to ensure he's a successful president.
All that said, he still deserves a chance. I want him to enact conservative policies that will move this country in the right direction and I will call him out when he doesn't. He won't get any free passes from me but he will get the benefit of the doubt where it can be given. Some issues are not actually issues but the media is latching onto anything and everything right now and he's not even sworn in. Meanwhile, the current president still has time to go and can still enact more regulations (which he's already doing) and cause more impacts (read: headaches) for Trump once he's sworn in and nobody is saying a word about that.
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I'm crushed. Like I really care about what your opinion of my comments are.
Well, you cared enough to reply. I'm touched.
You should care about how ineffective you are. You made a frighteningly transparent argument at the outset which boiled down the single snowflakey phrase that you don't trust Mr Trump. That's fine. But it was transparent and emotional, which translates to ineffective. Everyone has opinions and emotions and yours are special to nobody except you.
Is the problem that you don't know how to judge what Mr. Trump says? When he says A and then Not A and you're left not understanding him? You'll never comprehend him by parsing his words because he didn't parse them when he said them. There's no hidden subtext, no coded messages in them because he isn't a politician who sends a crafted message. Think of him as an impressionistic painting where the details don't make any sense but the overall picture is pretty clear. If you try to view him as a hyper-realistic painting, you'll fail.
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@levelwing: I wish i could like a post twice, or give it a HUGE like.
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And this post, above many others, has truly underscored the real problem in our modern culture. The one problem that if left to fester will result in ore destruction.
The problem: the mass polarization of our citizenship.
This is our internal danger.
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So, this will lead to our destruction?
Well, I sure as hell know what the guy meant. If you don't, I pity you.
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Then perhaps you shouldn't make shit up, and add to our destruction. You are as guilty as anybody.
Words fucking matter. Projection by the left of the most vile characteristics of racism, homophobia, and other hateful things upon half of the population that voted for someone they felt would lead us out of the malaise and perhaps support the Constitution is not a way to lead to unity as Americans.
In fact, I will bet the majority of people who voted for Trump did so to say a big "FUCK YOU!" to the politicians, the media, and the liberals who perpetuated such lies in order to retain political power. I know that was the case for me, when Clinton called my friends, and thus me, irredeemable deplorables.
Why don't you clean up YOUR house before bemoaning what someone else said about the left.
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So I'm to feel happy that Trump is communicating his fantasies directly via social media rather than scripting/filtering it through a staff? I feel so much better having a real insight into the mind of the soon to be leader of the free world who apparently, time and again, believes whatever he chooses to believe without any factual basis to back it up and is willing to communicate it to the world via twitter--got it. This might be very interesting if it weren't so terrifying. Those of you who laugh and shrug it off as liberal hyperbole have never wielded the power of life or death over troops sworn to obey the orders of those appointed above them. It comes down to trust, the title of this thread. I can't trust someone who says or tweets whatever pops into his head or believes everything that conforms with his bias and disbelieves anything that runs counter to it before any sort of critical analysis. I pity our Armed Forces who will have a Commander in Chief for whom trust comes down to a crap shoot and who apparently has grown rich thinking any screw-up can be overcome by working the system (eg. declaring bankruptcy) and getting a do over at someone else's expense. Of course he may never commit US forces to go into harms way, one may only hope. I'm just saying that for the guys and gals at the pointy end of the stick, trust means something and running your mouth off via twitter for no good reason doesn't instill confidence.
You are handwringing about what Trump means for our armed forces - terrifying, I think you said - while the only other choice for Commander in Chief was the woman who willingly left an Ambassador and CIA operators to die in Libya?
Pardon me if your faux outrage sounds more like sour grapes than true concern for our troops.
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So, this will lead to our destruction?Then perhaps you shouldn't make shit up, and add to our destruction. You are as guilty as anybody.
Words fucking matter. Projection by the left of the most vile characteristics of racism, homophobia, and other hateful things upon half of the population that voted for someone they felt would lead us out of the malaise and perhaps support the Constitution is not a way to lead to unity as Americans.
In fact, I will bet the majority of people who voted for Trump did so to say a big "FUCK YOU!" to the politicians, the media, and the liberals who perpetuated such lies in order to retain political power. I know that was the case for me, when Clinton called my friends, and thus me, irredeemable deplorables.
Why don't you clean up YOUR house before bemoaning what someone else said about the left.
Yeah, I called out someone who engaged in ad hominem because he didn't like what Witmo was saying. If one can't argue the message, argue the messenger. Tried and true tactic amongst many here. I have no problem calling that bullshit on someone.
Your response is no exception.
You call anyone who doesn't march lock step in your world view a progressive liberal snowflake, yet you get all hot and bothered when you (or your friends) get called a deplorable? Either this is false drama or you need thicker skin. Conservatives here have spent many posts denigrating all who don't march lock step with the horde, only to cry foul if someone returns the favor. If you can dish it...
You're right. Words do, as you say, fucking matter.
You should demand the same out of your president elect. When he takes to twitter and makes a baseless accusation, it's not funny or cheeky. He's the next POTUS. For fucks sake, someone stop letting him tweet.
I find it funny that you say I should clean up my house. What house would that be?
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Does anyone else think it amazing that Trump supporters have to hope that Trump controls himself? Every time Trump tweets something ridiculous indicative of his utter lack of self control, somehow the Trump apologists blame MSN or the "media". What exactly does MSN do to manipulate a Trump tweet? Oh yeah, they report it. If Trump had totally ignored all this BS about a recount, I'd think he finally has started to act Presidential and has exercised some restraint but no, true to his personality, he rants on about rigged elections and millions of fraudulent votes. If he was so sure of millions of votes cast by illegals I would think he'd be the one calling for an investigation or recount.Not him. Oh but wait, in a month or two, he'll suddenly mature and make America great again. Here's hoping.
The title of your thread is "Trust." The subtext is you would never believe Trump.
The fact that this leaves us to conclude that you would trust Hillary shows us just how vapid your claim really is.
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The title of your thread is "Trust." The subtext is you would never believe Trump.
The fact that this leaves us to conclude that you would trust Hillary shows us just how vapid your claim really is.
Seriously, he did not say that. Go read his posts. This is the shit I am talking about.
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Yeah, I called out someone who engaged in ad hominem because he didn't like what Witmo was saying. If one can't argue the message, argue the messenger. Tried and true tactic amongst many here. I have no problem calling that bullshit on someone.
Your response is no exception.
You call anyone who doesn't march lock step in your world view a progressive liberal snowflake, yet you get all hot and bothered when you (or your friends) get called a deplorable? Either this is false drama or you need thicker skin. Conservatives here have spent many posts denigrating all who don't march lock step with the horde, only to cry foul if someone returns the favor. If you can dish it...
You're right. Words do, as you say, fucking matter.
You should demand the same out of your president elect. When he takes to twitter and makes a baseless accusation, it's not funny or cheeky. He's the next POTUS. For fucks sake, someone stop letting him tweet.
I find it funny that you say I should clean up my house. What house would that be?
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We have a bigger clear and present danger, and it's internal: the ideology of the Left.
So the above statement from YouOnlyLiveTwice was an ad hominem? You've got to be kidding.
If you consider his opinion, which is what his statement is, to be an attack, then the situation is more dire than I thought.
I'll look around for a puppy to send you.
We are so fucked if people can't even express their opinions if it conflicts with someone else's world view.
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So the above statement from YouOnlyLiveTwice was an ad hominem? You've got to be kidding.
If you consider his opinion, which is what his statement is, to be an attack, then the situation is more dire than I thought.
I'll look around for a puppy to send you.
We are so fucked if people can't even express their opinions if it conflicts with someone else's world view.
You're absolutely right Stan. That was rude of me. I should have agreed with YouOnlyLiveTwice, because he's absolutely right about anyone who's dumb enough to question the right. We are fucked. You're correct. We have catered to the left and those mangy liberals for far too long.
There is only one way that makes sense, and it sure as hell is not the ideology of the left. These assholes want to rip the fabric of our good country apart. They should trust in our new leadership, the fact that some don't is a tell tale sign they are not true Americans.
These leftists have no redeemable qualities. They are a bunch of communists and leeches on the productive GOOD members of society. They take part in a Ponzi scheme to cipher money away from good job creators. Fuck them, they aren't even human beings. They are a bunch of hypocrites that don't care about anyone but themselves.
Fuck them all!
'Murica!
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I feel like I'm going through the looking glass.
"read what the guy wrote"
"ignore what the guy wrote, imagine what he meant"
WTF?
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You're absolutely right Stan. That was rude of me. I should have agreed with YouOnlyLiveTwice, because he's absolutely right about anyone who's dumb enough to question the right. We are fucked. You're correct. We have catered to the left and those mangy liberals for far too long.
There is only one way that makes sense, and it sure as hell is not the ideology of the left. These assholes want to rip the fabric of our good country apart. They should trust in our new leadership, the fact that some don't is a tell tale sign they are not true Americans.
These leftists have no redeemable qualities. They are a bunch of communists and leeches on the productive GOOD members of society. They take part in a Ponzi scheme to cipher money away from good job creators. Fuck them, they aren't even human beings. They are a bunch of hypocrites that don't care about anyone but themselves.
Fuck them all!
'Murica!
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You are handwringing about what Trump means for our armed forces - terrifying, I think you said - while the only other choice for Commander in Chief was the woman who willingly left an Ambassador and CIA operators to die in Libya?
Pardon me if your faux outrage sounds more like sour grapes than true concern for our troops.
Your belief that HRC or anyone could have saved Ambassador Stevens or the brave men who died that night indicate you know nothing about the military or its capabilities or the tactical situation in Benghazi on the night in question. I shaKe my head and sigh when experts whose only knowledge comes from watching Rambo movies or playing shoot-em-up video games claim that all it would take was a phone call and a couple of F16s would have saved the day and the terrorists would have fled the scene. If you go back to the threads on Benghazi you'll find I was the first to place blame on HRC, not for her actions or inaction on the night it happened, but for the failure of the State Department's security section for allowing it to happen. As the head of that department, she should have resigned or at the very least fired some people for not doing their job and protecting the Ambassador. Instead, the right wing experts wanted to ignore HRC and blame the President for not using the military to save the day. BHO may have screwed up on many other issues, but he was not a prime candidate for criticism in this one unless you want to fault him for actually demanding accountability from his appointed SoS.
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Apparently in the twisted progressive world ONLY what they say matters and ONLY if they don't contradict themselves.
Otherwise you must always agree with little progressive snowflakes or put up with this absolute bullshit nonstop for the next eight years.
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Apparently in the twisted progressive world ONLY what they say matters and ONLY if they don't contradict themselves.
Otherwise you must always agree with little progressive snowflakes or put up with this absolute bullshit nonstop for the next eight years.
I'll have to work on contradicting myself more often to make you happy. I foolishly thought consistency indicated some thought was put into a response. Silly me. I guess Trumpsters prefer everyone flip flop indiscriminately because it's entertaining.
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Your belief that HRC or anyone could have saved Ambassador Stevens or the brave men who died that night indicate you know nothing about the military or its capabilities or the tactical situation in Benghazi on the night in question.
I don't know if anyone could have saved those men. What I do know is that nobody tried. And I also know that the terrorists know that nobody tried, and that many Americans don't think it makes any difference. That is not the image I have of our military and it is not the image we want to project to terrorists.
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A couple of F-16s screeching over the area faster than the speed of sound would have scattered them like rats.
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A couple of F-16s screeching over the area faster than the speed of sound would have scattered them like rats.
Naaa.... think pretty much anyone in the Middle East is used to screaming jets overhead. ;)
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I don't know if anyone could have saved those men. What I do know is that nobody tried. And I also know that the terrorists know that nobody tried, and that many Americans don't think it makes any difference. That is not the image I have of our military and it is not the image we want to project to terrorists.
So you don't know, doesn't mean there wasn't a rescue plan executed. Ambassador Stevens and info officer Sean Smith were dead fairly early on as events transpired. They both died of smoke inhalation at the consulate, but Ambassador Stevens actually was taken to a Benghazi hospital by Libyans who thought he might still be alive/saved after the Americans at the consulate had bugged out to the CIA annex. An American rescue team deployed from Tripoli. These men just about hijacked a private jet and flew to Benghazi joining up with Libyan government troops who had also flown in and together effected the evacuation of Americans to safety. They got there long before any other assets from outside Libya could have gotten there. One of the Americans killed, Glen Doherty, was a member of the team from Tripoli and the other CIA contractor killed, Tyrone Woods, was among the CIA personnel in Benghazi that initially responded to the call for help from the consulate. They both were killed by mortar fire during the extraction of Americans from the CIA annex after the rescue team had arrived at the annex.
People have come to think that when bad things happen, the cavalry shows up in the nick of time and everyone goes home safe and sound. Let me tell you that whenever people are shooting real gun with real bullets or firing mortars or detonating IEDs, bad things sometimes happen to good people. Doherty and Woods gave their lives so others could live. They were professionals and acted professionally to get those people to safety. Unfortunately they were killed by enemy fire--it happens.