Post by: asechrest on November 13, 2018, 09:07:31 PM
I clicked on another video, and this advertisement began. I usually skip the adverts as quickly as possible but was compelled to watch it.
It's a marketing video. And, yeah, it's an advert for another e-gadget. But damn is it well done.
As a parent of two kids, in the modern age, I see first-hand the destructive nature of a constant global connection. I just barely escaped it myself, having mostly grown up in an age without smartphones. But even I succumb to the draw of a 24-hour connection to the world and all its inhabitants. Gone are the days when I can leave work at work.
I don't know anything about the product this advert attempts to sell. But I do know that the modern world creates such unique challenges for parents and children. Forbid your daughter from social media, and watch as she's ridiculed mercilessly by her peers. Or, allow her the access, and watch as she struggles to escape the social struggles that at one time could be left at school for the day.
What to do? Your best, I guess.
Post by: invflatspin on November 13, 2018, 10:03:52 PM
All of my kids are extremely successful, and well advanced in their field already and they just graduated 4 & 3 years ago. Don't abrogate the parent duties just because of technology and access to a world of info. Make it count.
One more thing, as noted in the vid, parents can be just as bad as kids with getting wrapped up in social media. We NEVER, EVER put out any kind of social media info about our kids, or what they do, or accomplish, or how much better they are than the others. The kids were shown by US how we respected, and appreciated their success, and we commiserated with their failures. My girl said the failures were more instructive about life, and people than the successes.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 14, 2018, 05:13:13 AM
t’s 4:00 a.m. and once again I can’t sleep, tossing and turning and fearing for America and the world. Reading a book called “Change Agent” to try and settle the awful, surging despair in my gut, by making a plan of action of some sort. Culture follows the change agents at the top.
That ad makes it clear that technology and constant connectedness are changing us. We like to think we can control it, not the other way round. But here I am, checking Pilotspin to see if there’s any good news, if I can relax and sleep because someone has posted a link or a thought or an idea that has hope in it. But in the morning I’ll see that hope is lost again. And so on throughout the roller coaster of the political day.
And the screens show us lies and distortions mixed with truth, so the lies begin to seem like truths.
Recently I read of a phenomenon where teens are pleading for plastic surgery so their instagram photos will please them. If you see harmful effects from your daughter’s use of social media, I don’t see that you have any choice but to curb it, with plenty of discussion about how it can hurt her.
I agree ... the potential for harm is great and the distraction factor is overwhelming. Our kids turned out great but these devices weren’t invented yet when they were teens. We didn’t watch TV at all, just rented videos to watch with them now and then, and neither of them seemed to mind. Today, they have smartphones but talk about how they hate Facebook and avoid it, and we observe they don’t have their phones out much. I think it’s because they’re not by nature shallow people, and find real life more satisfying.
Focus on discovering individual gifts and talents and passions, have fun with family, explore faith, talk about values like virtue and restraint, engage in meaningful activities and groups, and always, always keep communication open. That way you can talk about the consequences of choices and keep awareness of the dangers visible.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 14, 2018, 05:25:33 AM
Untangled, about raising teenage girls
Understanding the Teen-Age Brain
How to Raise an Adult
Not at all related to my order!
Convergence is here. What, do they have algorithms for this kind of thing?
Post by: Mr Pou on November 14, 2018, 05:31:45 AM
Convergence is here. What, do they have algorithms for this kind of thing?
Absolutely, Google et al aren't free, YOU'RE the product!
Post by: Anthony on November 14, 2018, 05:37:19 AM
Okay, this is creepy! I posted the above post and then responded to an amazon tracking email and it suggested three books I might like ...
Untangled, about raising teenage girls
Understanding the Teen-Age Brain
How to Raise an Adult
Not at all related to my order!
Convergence is here. What, do they have algorithms for this kind of thing?
Yes. Just assume anything you post on the internet, or email to somebody is seen by everyone. Especially those you'd rather not see your private business. Now, go get an NRA certified instructor at your local range, and learn how to safely shoot a firearm. :)
Post by: Rush on November 14, 2018, 07:06:35 AM
Well done, indeed.
t’s 4:00 a.m. and once again I can’t sleep, tossing and turning and fearing for America and the world. Reading a book called “Change Agent” to try and settle the awful, surging despair in my gut, by making a plan of action of some sort. Culture follows the change agents at the top.
That ad makes it clear that technology and constant connectedness are changing us. We like to think we can control it, not the other way round. But here I am, checking Pilotspin to see if there’s any good news, if I can relax and sleep because someone has posted a link or a thought or an idea that has hope in it. But in the morning I’ll see that hope is lost again. And so on throughout the roller coaster of the political day.
And the screens show us lies and distortions mixed with truth, so the lies begin to seem like truths.
Recently I read of a phenomenon where teens are pleading for plastic surgery so their instagram photos will please them. If you see harmful effects from your daughter’s use of social media, I don’t see that you have any choice but to curb it, with plenty of discussion about how it can hurt her.
I agree ... the potential for harm is great and the distraction factor is overwhelming. Our kids turned out great but these devices weren’t invented yet when they were teens. We didn’t watch TV at all, just rented videos to watch with them now and then, and neither of them seemed to mind. Today, they have smartphones but talk about how they hate Facebook and avoid it, and we observe they don’t have their phones out much. I think it’s because they’re not by nature shallow people, and find real life more satisfying.
Focus on discovering individual gifts and talents and passions, have fun with family, explore faith, talk about values like virtue and restraint, engage in meaningful activities and groups, and always, always keep communication open. That way you can talk about the consequences of choices and keep awareness of the dangers visible.
Here's a book that might help you:
https://www.amazon.com/Enjoy-Decline-Accepting-Living-United/dp/1480284769
Actually I haven't read it yet but I enjoy reading the reviews.
I'm also someone who often is kept up at night with worries. The advice I gave in another thread to just enjoy each moment - yeah right. Like I practice what I preach! ;D I'm right there with ya this shit bothers the hell out of me too.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 14, 2018, 09:31:11 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 14, 2018, 09:43:01 AM
We should all be very afraid of letting ANYTHING control us, whether it is coffee, alcohol, or screens.
https://www.breakthetwitch.com/statistics-mobile-devices/
Post by: asechrest on November 14, 2018, 09:46:43 AM
Post by: invflatspin on November 14, 2018, 09:50:44 AM
Like I said, parent bastard from hell. having said that, I'm a fey pussy compared to my father, who was WAY worse than I am.
Post by: asechrest on November 14, 2018, 09:52:58 AM
I enforce a no phones rule at the dinner table. No exceptions. And I don't always have an ally in that fight, either, which is another story
Post by: Mr Pou on November 14, 2018, 11:35:39 AM
I've recently had an in-law issue. I know I'm going to make an enemy, even though things are strained right now, but no more phones/PDAs at the dinner table. When I'm alone, or just the wife we often eat with the computer on. But with the rest of the family, I'm going to insist that there be no phones in the room during the meal, and after.
Like I said, parent bastard from hell. having said that, I'm a fey pussy compared to my father, who was WAY worse than I am.
No phones, TV, nada during dinner time.
Post by: Rush on November 14, 2018, 11:54:42 AM
Tonight I'm surfing YouTube. Watched a couple of "epic fail" videos. Funny. Useless. Took in a video from a channel I enjoy, by a gentleman who built a cabin in the woods, with simple hand tools, by himself. I find his channel refreshing.
I clicked on another video, and this advertisement began. I usually skip the adverts as quickly as possible but was compelled to watch it.
It's a marketing video. And, yeah, it's an advert for another e-gadget. But damn is it well done.
As a parent of two kids, in the modern age, I see first-hand the destructive nature of a constant global connection. I just barely escaped it myself, having mostly grown up in an age without smartphones. But even I succumb to the draw of a 24-hour connection to the world and all its inhabitants. Gone are the days when I can leave work at work.
I don't know anything about the product this advert attempts to sell. But I do know that the modern world creates such unique challenges for parents and children. Forbid your daughter from social media, and watch as she's ridiculed mercilessly by her peers. Or, allow her the access, and watch as she struggles to escape the social struggles that at one time could be left at school for the day.
What to do? Your best, I guess.
I think technology is the single biggest change and influence on the human species since agriculture. Agriculture changed us in very important ways, it led to the rise of disease for example (because of sedentary cities). Then of course that led to evolved ways to fight disease and changes in our immune system. It led to the rise of politics and the state.
I don't think any other single thing had as great an impact on us, changing the direction of our species, until now. Technology is transforming how our brains work. It is creating a "hive mind" in some ways. I don't think on balance it is a good or a bad thing, I think it leads to both good things and bad things, like every other change. And the human race will need to adapt to survive.
One of the problems I see is that as technology becomes ever more complex, the numbers of people who understand it is becoming a smaller percentage. In other words, at the caveman level, nearly 100% of us knew how to do what we needed to do to survive. With the subdivision of labor that took place with agriculture and the rise of cities, that changed, but most people still had a productive niche. Manual labor that didn't take much brains was always needed.
But now with high technology is involved in our food and energy supply chain, the percent of people who can understand the technology (create it, maintain it) is becoming very small. That leaves a huge portion of humans dependent on the few at the top. This is very discomforting, especially if it gets to the point there are no jobs for the rest. And if the ones controlling the technology at the top are all left-wing control freaks, God help us.
From this point of view I can fully understand the Amish, or the fundamentalist Mormons who go out in the desert and live in a self-sustaining cult. These people are on to something. Although their religious group-think is something I can't get with.
Post by: Number7 on November 14, 2018, 12:06:38 PM
She grew up in our home where we wouldn't answer the phone, or the door during dinner. No one brought their iPod, iPad, iPhone, or any other electronic device to the dining area and we still enforce that rule today. Everyone knows we don't bend on that one and the whining stopped a long time ago. It's just how it is.
We even bought all our grandchildren their first iPod before all those other things existed and added wifi long before it was all that common so they could play with them, but not during family time. We are very guarded in how we purchase off the net, and help them understand why care is necessary.
Technology is supposed to be used as a simpler way to support other functions and we are not willing to let amazon, or anyone else use us as their 'farm.' We bought an expensive router and added appropriate security and ip anonymizing (no idea how to spell that one) to protect us as best as we could within reason.
The kids are old enough to still want 24/7 access to their friends, but smart enough to give that up for a little while for all the other benefits that come from being spoiled by grandma and grandpa.
We've also went far out of our way to inform the kids about the many ways they can be at risk on the internet. We've one granddaughter that we would have bet the farm that she would have been pregnant by fourteen and we worked hard to make her that most of her peer group were putting their lives and futures at risk by posting sexually inappropriate selfies and sharing private information with the entire world.
Eventually she got caught up with a former boyfriend that posted several terrible photos of her after they split up and she leaned her lesson the hard way, but at least she learned it...
Post by: asechrest on November 14, 2018, 12:09:46 PM
I think we should all go build a cabin in the woods (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIMXKin1fXXCeq2UJePJEog).
Post by: Anthony on November 14, 2018, 12:21:04 PM
Post by: nddons on November 14, 2018, 01:51:10 PM
Agreed that that technology can lead to both great and bad things.Make it a hangar in the woods and I’m there.
I think we should all go build a cabin in the woods (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIMXKin1fXXCeq2UJePJEog).
Post by: nddons on November 14, 2018, 01:55:46 PM
Agreed that that technology can lead to both great and bad things.By the way, I look forward to watching that video tonight. Hell, even Jeremiah Johnson had a squaw to help him with the build.
I think we should all go build a cabin in the woods (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIMXKin1fXXCeq2UJePJEog).
Post by: nddons on November 14, 2018, 01:57:50 PM
My concern is that younger people who have only known what it is like to have a Smart Phone, and computer depend solely on them and the access to the internet for the basics that we all just had to KNOW. Also, if they get their gratification from this technology when are the going outside and experiencing the real world, instead of the virtual world. It is a shame than many don't take advantage of the adventure, challenges, learning experiences and the beauty the world offers.My daughter is a dairy veterinarian and when she was in vet school and traveling for externships I would get her AAA maps, etc. at one point she sent me a meme that said “Relax, Indiana Jones. I’ve got Google.”
EDIT: I did rub off. When she’s driving to farms that even Google doesn’t know about, she’s been having to use these detailed County plat books to find them. And finally, after years of training, she has a good sense of north, South, east and West!
Post by: asechrest on November 14, 2018, 02:39:27 PM
By the way, I look forward to watching that video tonight. Hell, even Jeremiah Johnson had a squaw to help him with the build.
I haven't watched all the videos, but from what I've seen, he uses only hand tools for the entire build.
Post by: Lucifer on November 14, 2018, 02:48:48 PM
By the way, I look forward to watching that video tonight. Hell, even Jeremiah Johnson had a squaw to help him with the build.
Racist!!!
Post by: nddons on November 14, 2018, 04:21:26 PM
I haven't watched all the videos, but from what I've seen, he uses only hand tools for the entire build.Not familiar with the 1972 movie, huh?
Get off my lawn!
Post by: asechrest on November 14, 2018, 04:24:18 PM
Not familiar with the 1972 movie, huh?
Get off my lawn!
Born in '80! I will have to look it up.
Post by: Anthony on November 15, 2018, 09:55:59 AM
Born in '80! I will have to look it up.
That's when I graduated from college, but hearing that I am a Trump supporter, I can't be educated, so had to turn in my Bachelors, and Masters degrees. I think I am the same age as Rush. :)
Post by: Rush on November 15, 2018, 12:00:06 PM
That's when I graduated from college, but hearing that I am a Trump supporter, I can't be educated, so had to turn in my Bachelors, and Masters degrees. I think I am the same age as Rush. :)
Me or Limbaugh?
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 15, 2018, 04:33:10 PM
Post by: Anthony on November 15, 2018, 06:27:33 PM
Me or Limbaugh?
You. You know I am not THAT OLD!
Post by: Rush on November 15, 2018, 08:07:08 PM
You. You know I am not THAT OLD!
Haha!! Yep we're probably about the same age.