Post by: Mase on July 09, 2016, 09:02:34 AM
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/08/confirmed-philando-castile-was-an-armed-robbery-suspect-false-media-narrative-now-driving-cop-killings/#more-118476 (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/08/confirmed-philando-castile-was-an-armed-robbery-suspect-false-media-narrative-now-driving-cop-killings/#more-118476)
"The Falcon Heights, Minnesota police shooting of Philando Castile is based around an entirely false narrative. Castile and Ms. Diamond Reynolds (Facebook video uploader) were pulled over by police because Castile matched a BOLO Alert for an armed robbery suspect from four days prior."
Post by: Dav8or on July 09, 2016, 09:36:25 AM
Post by: Number7 on July 10, 2016, 07:19:04 AM
The leftist lie machine is aided and abetted by the lames stream and the pig in the white house.
Post by: Kristin on July 10, 2016, 09:56:10 PM
Some of the other side of the shooting that has not made it to the MSM quite yet:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/08/confirmed-philando-castile-was-an-armed-robbery-suspect-false-media-narrative-now-driving-cop-killings/#more-118476 (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/08/confirmed-philando-castile-was-an-armed-robbery-suspect-false-media-narrative-now-driving-cop-killings/#more-118476)
"The Falcon Heights, Minnesota police shooting of Philando Castile is based around an entirely false narrative. Castile and Ms. Diamond Reynolds (Facebook video uploader) were pulled over by police because Castile matched a BOLO Alert for an armed robbery suspect from four days prior."
That is all pretty suspicious. First the article says he didn't have a CC permit from Ramsey county, but doesn't bother to mention that the incident happened only a couple of miles from Hennepin County, where apparently he was issue a permit.
http://www.startribune.com/philando-castile-had-permit-to-carry-gun/386054481/
Even assuming that the audio recording is confirmed, the officer's statement that he had probably cause because he had a wide nose, may just be a cover for the fact that he was going to pull him over because he was black and was at least the general shape. However, you can't give that as a reason because it would not likely get you past a 4th amendment challenge to the stop. So the legality of the stop seems iffy, even if this story is to be believed.
Second of all, the article presents a grain piece of video and marks what it claims to be a gun, but it not at all clear in the picture that it is even a gun, yet the article claims the gun looked like one used in a robbery.
My assessment of the article is that it is trying too hard to exculpate the officers on too little evidence. Maybe it turns out that way, and maybe it doesn't Case is still open.
Post by: Kristin on July 10, 2016, 09:56:54 PM
The new progressive normal is to make shit up and then start a riot.
The leftist lie machine is aided and abetted by the lames stream and the pig in the white house.
There there! Put on your white robes and burn a cross. You will feel better.
Post by: PaulS on July 11, 2016, 04:15:33 AM
There there! Put on your white robes and burn a cross. You will feel better.
He doesn't like progressive leftists, why would he dress like one?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 11, 2016, 04:51:55 AM
There there! Put on your white robes and burn a cross. You will feel better.
are you trying to godwin the thread?
Post by: Number7 on July 11, 2016, 07:00:39 AM
There there! Put on your white robes and burn a cross. You will feel better.
Your sickle and hammer are showing.
Post by: Kristin on July 12, 2016, 01:01:06 AM
He doesn't like progressive leftists, why would he dress like one?
Now there is a big lie that would make Goebbels blush. Whatever the KKK members were/are, progressive leftists is not one of them.
Talk about drinking the KoolAid, sheesh! Read some history for chrissakes.
Post by: Kristin on July 12, 2016, 01:03:13 AM
Your sickle and hammer are showing.
Your irrationality, ignorance, and anger are what shows in every post you have made on any political subject.
Post by: bflynn on July 12, 2016, 05:58:56 AM
are you trying to godwin the thread?
That is only Nazis. But it probably should apply to gratutious use of klan references, although neither in a scholarly reference.
But I think you are justified to claim the "win" here.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 12, 2016, 07:41:16 AM
Post by: Number7 on July 12, 2016, 08:19:16 AM
Your irrationality, ignorance, and anger are what shows in every post you have made on any political subject.
The funny thing about you is your overwhelming need to trot out the race card whenever you don't like the truth.
It must give you comfort to be so shallow and racist.
Post by: Jaybird180 on July 12, 2016, 12:21:41 PM
;D ;D ;D
Post by: Kristin on July 12, 2016, 02:02:56 PM
The funny thing about you is your overwhelming need to trot out the race card whenever you don't like the truth.
It must give you comfort to be so shallow and racist.
Delusional as usual. Can you formulate an original thought or is the limit of your communication skills such that you can only hurl what you perceive to be insults at others? Even your insults aren't original.
Post by: Kristin on July 12, 2016, 02:04:12 PM
Wow Kristin. We're two peas in a pod now. He said the same about me.
;D ;D ;D
It was bound to happy as he can only remember a small number of insults so doubling up is inevitable.
Post by: Number7 on July 13, 2016, 06:31:12 AM
Delusional as usual. Can you formulate an original thought or is the limit of your communication skills such that you can only hurl what you perceive to be insults at others? Even your insults aren't original.
Who needs an original response when the progressive can only babble like a brook, then run and hide behind the race card whenever she doesn't like the truth? If you are going to engage in automatic insults, then don;t be surprised when people respond.
This isn't college where you have guaranteed safe space where no one is allowed to disagree with your bullshit.
Post by: Jaybird180 on July 13, 2016, 07:24:23 AM
Who needs an original response when the progressive can only babble like a brook, then run and hide behind the race card whenever she doesn't like the truth? If you are going to engage in automatic insults, then don;t be surprised when people respond.
This isn't college where you have guaranteed safe space where no one is allowed to disagree with your bullshit.
When you get a knock at the door from the moderator, know that it was me.
You don't argue points you just hurl insults at people and frankly it's useless. I bid you adieu.
Post by: Dav8or on July 13, 2016, 08:40:26 AM
When you get a knock at the door from the moderator, know that it was me.
You don't argue points you just hurl insults at people and frankly it's useless. I bid you adieu.
IIRC, there is no moderator. I believe the button that is labeled "Report to Moderator" is kind of like the button to cross the street. It gives you something to do and lets you think you are doing something, but in fact is not connected to anything.
Post by: asechrest on July 13, 2016, 08:49:08 AM
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on July 13, 2016, 09:03:19 AM
IIRC, there is no moderator. I believe the button that is labeled "Report to Moderator" is kind of like the button to cross the street. It gives you something to do and lets you think you are doing something, but in fact is not connected to anything.
Or close the elevator door!
Post by: nddons on July 13, 2016, 09:20:33 AM
When you get a knock at the door from the moderator, know that it was me.When you told him in a different thread that his hood was showing, and accompanied it with someone in a KKK hood giving a Hitler salute, was that an insult, or was that just intellectual debate on your part?
You don't argue points you just hurl insults at people and frankly it's useless. I bid you adieu.
Hypocrite.
By the way, we police ourselves here, however inadequately we do so. Jason was kind enough to get this site up and running, but never signed up to moderate anything. It's not his job. Put on your big boy pants and just ignore him if it upsets you so.
Post by: asechrest on July 13, 2016, 10:47:31 AM
I suggest a snowflake badge be auto-applied upon press of the moderator or ignore button. ;D
Post by: Little Joe on July 13, 2016, 10:57:37 AM
I suggest a snowflake badge be auto-applied upon press of the moderator or ignore button. ;DI suggested something like that in the past, but lately I have been considering the ignore button when I read multiple, redundant posts where someone is telling another he is a bigot and someone else constantly tells the other to see his psychiatrist for meds so he can rejoin society. After a few dozen repeats, that shit gets really old.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 13, 2016, 12:02:18 PM
I suggest a snowflake badge be auto-applied upon press of the moderator or ignore button. ;D
for the ignore button?
No one gets tired of the "are to"/"are not" going on in some threads?
Post by: asechrest on July 13, 2016, 12:30:57 PM
for the ignore button?
No one gets tired of the "are to"/"are not" going on in some threads?
Fine, we'll re-name it "safe space" and still apply the snowflake badge.
I get tired of it like you, in which case I don't read that post.
Post by: Jaybird180 on July 13, 2016, 02:09:31 PM
When you told him in a different thread that his hood was showing, and accompanied it with someone in a KKK hood giving a Hitler salute, was that an insult, or was that just intellectual debate on your part?That was a stretch.
Hypocrite.
(http://horrorpediadotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/kitsune-journal-de-jeunes-gens-modernes-stretch-monster-01.jpg?w=700)
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 13, 2016, 03:59:12 PM
Post by: Kristin on July 13, 2016, 05:02:02 PM
Who needs an original response when the progressive can only babble like a brook, then run and hide behind the race card whenever she doesn't like the truth? If you are going to engage in automatic insults, then don;t be surprised when people respond.
This isn't college where you have guaranteed safe space where no one is allowed to disagree with your bullshit.
Speaking of college, I have to wonder if you are decades beyond and embittered or too young yet to attend. There is a certain juvenile quality to your posts all of which seem to have one other thing in common besides the regurgitation of standard right-wing insults, and that is that they all seem to have a complete lack of anything aviation related. Neither here or in POA do I ever recall seeing you post something substantive on the subject of aviation. Not that it matters in the Spin Zone as moderation seems distinctly absent.
Post by: Number7 on July 13, 2016, 05:04:30 PM
Speaking of college, I have to wonder if you are decades beyond and embittered or too young yet to attend. There is a certain juvenile quality to your posts all of which seem to have one other thing in common besides the regurgitation of standard right-wing insults, and that is that they all seem to have a complete lack of anything aviation related. Neither here or in POA do I ever recall seeing you post something substantive on the subject of aviation. Not that it matters in the Spin Zone as moderation seems distinctly absent.
I notice you don't address the race card attacks you employ every time you lose ground in a discussion.
Aren't you really just aunt peggy with another name?
Post by: Little Joe on July 13, 2016, 05:06:25 PM
Speaking of college, I have to wonder if you are decades beyond and embittered or too young yet to attend. There is a certain juvenile quality to your posts all of which seem to have one other thing in common besides the regurgitation of standard right-wing insults, and that is that they all seem to have a complete lack of anything aviation related. Neither here or in POA do I ever recall seeing you post something substantive on the subject of aviation. Not that it matters in the Spin Zone as moderation seems distinctly absent.It is not that it "SEEMS" absent. It is purposely absent. If one has a problem with that then they should not be here.
Post by: Number7 on July 13, 2016, 05:06:57 PM
When you get a knock at the door from the moderator, know that it was me.
You don't argue points you just hurl insults at people and frankly it's useless. I bid you adieu.
Your response is a joke, Jaybird.
The joke is that every time you find people refuse to accept your racist dog whistle posts you attack them then run and hide like a spoiled eight year old. You are always telling people to stop posting, or proclaiming that you won't participate in a thread anymore because you hurled ugly slander and got called on it.
Stop playing the aggrieved victim of slavery and see how things change.
Post by: Number7 on July 13, 2016, 05:10:41 PM
Speaking of college, I have to wonder if you are decades beyond and embittered or too young yet to attend. There is a certain juvenile quality to your posts all of which seem to have one other thing in common besides the regurgitation of standard right-wing insults, and that is that they all seem to have a complete lack of anything aviation related. Neither here or in POA do I ever recall seeing you post something substantive on the subject of aviation. Not that it matters in the Spin Zone as moderation seems distinctly absent.
Your pathetic argument proves the lack of substance to your point.
EVERY TIME you find yourself challenged you resort to infantile attacks pretending racism, attacks against your perceived prejudice against maturity, or your old standard attack against the person's intelligence.
Presumably you think it is idiocy to have a different viewpoint than the one provided by the progressive cabal in DC.
As with anyone proclaiming their vast intelligence - if you were as smart as you think you are, you wouldn't need to bring it up so often.
Post by: Kristin on July 13, 2016, 05:11:15 PM
I notice you don't address the race card attacks you employ every time you lose ground in a discussion.
Aren't you really just aunt peggy with another name?
Because I treated it as another of your childish and mindless insults as it has no bearing in reality to anyone who has read any of my posts outside of this thread which is all about race.
Post by: Number7 on July 13, 2016, 05:12:08 PM
Because I treated it as another of your childish and mindless insults as it has no bearing in reality to anyone who has read any of my posts outside of this thread which is all about race.
You have given yourself far more credit than is justified by the facts but keep telling yourself that. It must give you some degree of comfort.
Post by: Kristin on July 13, 2016, 05:14:23 PM
Your pathetic argument proves the lack of substance to your point.
EVERY TIME you find yourself challenged you resort to infantile attacks pretending racism, attacks against your perceived prejudice against maturity, or your old standard attack against the person's intelligence.
Presumably you think it is idiocy to have a different viewpoint than the one provided by the progressive cabal in DC.
As with anyone proclaiming their vast intelligence - if you were as smart as you think you are, you wouldn't need to bring it up so often.
At least you are now adding a few more words to your canned insults. Maybe an original thought will emerge with enough practice.
Post by: Kristin on July 13, 2016, 05:15:10 PM
It is purposely absent
I am counting on it. Can't you tell. ;D
Post by: Number7 on July 13, 2016, 05:18:37 PM
At least you are now adding a few more words to your canned insults. Maybe an original thought will emerge with enough practice.
As I said, the fact that you seem so obsessed with anyone who disagrees tells far more about your lack of a solid base than anything else. Making debate toxic is an old and revered progressive tactic.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 13, 2016, 05:24:31 PM
I notice you don't address the race card attacks you employ every time you lose ground in a discussion.
Aren't you really just aunt peggy with another name?
She can't be AP. AP only did drive-by posts and wouldn't engage in discussion.
Post by: Dav8or on July 13, 2016, 08:55:30 PM
I suggest a snowflake badge be auto-applied upon press of the moderator or ignore button. ;D
Ooo! Ooo! I want one of those! I'm a super special snowflake. My mom tells me so.
Post by: acrogimp on July 13, 2016, 09:07:27 PM
'Gimp
Post by: Kristin on July 13, 2016, 09:39:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxw7xd5vlmY
It gets interesting at about 2:36.
Post by: Mase on July 13, 2016, 10:49:04 PM
Post by: Jaybird180 on July 14, 2016, 05:33:51 AM
No riots in Fresno. The guy was white. I still think it a bit quick on the trigger.I couldn't quite hear the radio call and that makes a difference in my judgement of him pulling his weapon before arrival.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxw7xd5vlmY
It gets interesting at about 2:36.
This looks like suicide by cop.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 14, 2016, 09:38:44 AM
This is interesting.
Post by: PaulS on July 14, 2016, 02:27:43 PM
I suggest a snowflake badge be auto-applied upon press of the moderator or ignore button. ;D
I'd push the button just to get the badge.
Post by: nddons on July 14, 2016, 02:56:32 PM
Very good.
This is interesting.
Compliance. Who knew?
Post by: Jaybird180 on July 14, 2016, 03:04:18 PM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on July 14, 2016, 03:16:15 PM
To a man with only a hammer in his tool-belt, every thing looks like a nail.Glad you know that one. A good saying. Just saying .... ::)
Post by: bflynn on July 14, 2016, 03:59:12 PM
To a man with only a hammer in his tool-belt, every thing looks like a nail.
To a man who only believes in racism, every problem appears to be someone else's fault.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on July 14, 2016, 08:10:41 PM
To a man who only believes in racism, every problem appears to be someone else's fault.
Touche'
Post by: Kristin on July 14, 2016, 08:49:37 PM
This looks like suicide by cop.
That is what it looked like.
Post by: Jaybird180 on July 15, 2016, 08:34:00 AM
To a man who only believes in racism, every problem appears to be someone else's fault.
You underestimate the degree to which the mindset of White Supremacy has infected society and the world.
Post by: nddons on July 15, 2016, 08:37:05 AM
You underestimate the degree to which the mindset of White Supremacy has infected society and the world.So, to a man who tells us we don't know what it's like to be black, you also tell us that us whites that we don't understand that we are white supremacists?
It's sad to see a Marine become part of the lunatic fringe.
Post by: Dav8or on July 15, 2016, 09:31:24 AM
You underestimate the degree to which the mindset of White Supremacy has infected society and the world.
Don't worry, soon the Chinese will dominate us all.
Post by: bflynn on July 15, 2016, 09:48:28 AM
You underestimate the degree to which the mindset of White Supremacy has infected society and the world.
You overestimate white people's interest in White Supremacy or in being racist. 99% of us really just aren't interested.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 15, 2016, 10:04:07 AM
You overestimate white people's interest in White Supremacy or in being racist. 99% of us really just aren't interested.
Haven't you been told that every white person is racist?
Post by: Little Joe on July 15, 2016, 10:14:45 AM
Haven't you been told that every white person is racist?No. Just superior.
;)
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 15, 2016, 10:35:10 AM
No. Just superior.
;)
you are confusing "superior" with "special"
;)
Post by: Kristin on July 15, 2016, 12:26:58 PM
You underestimate the degree to which the mindset of White Supremacy has infected society and the world.
What do you mean by White Supremacy? Most of us go through our day without thinking about the color of our skin or that of anyone else's.
The whole racism thing is a bit of a misnomer in my mind. Humans are still fundamentally tribal. Until we can have an honest conversation about that, then groups will keep fighting with other groups. Which side has the White Supremacy thing happening when Irish Protestants are killing Irish Catholics? How about the Japanese? They think they are better than everyone. Is that White Supremacy? Where was the White Supremacy when the Hutus were slaughtering the Tutsis in Rwanda? In generations past in this country, WASP's looked down on Jews, Catholics, Irish, Italians, etc.
The problem with putting everything in the context of skin tone is that is doesn't get to the heart of the issue and perpetuates an excuse for the poor to stay poor and justify taking the handouts as something owed. In our society, we have at least gotten as far as any from a rigid class structure. Here, money rules and there are opportunities for all to get some. Admittedly, some have to work harder than others, but if you are completely trapped in our society, then the chains are those they have put there themselves.
The opinions expressed here are of the commentator alone and do not necessary reflect those of this forum's management or staff, or in fact, most of the human race. :)
Post by: Little Joe on July 15, 2016, 12:39:08 PM
What do you mean by White Supremacy? Most of us go through our day without thinking about the color of our skin or that of anyone else's.I knew you couldn't be wrong about everything Kritsin! ;)
The whole racism thing is a bit of a misnomer in my mind. Humans are still fundamentally tribal. Until we can have an honest conversation about that, then groups will keep fighting with other groups. Which side has the White Supremacy thing happening when Irish Protestants are killing Irish Catholics? How about the Japanese? They think they are better than everyone. Is that White Supremacy? Where was the White Supremacy when the Hutus were slaughtering the Tutsis in Rwanda? In generations past in this country, WASP's looked down on Jews, Catholics, Irish, Italians, etc.
The problem with putting everything in the context of skin tone is that is doesn't get to the heart of the issue and perpetuates an excuse for the poor to stay poor and justify taking the handouts as something owed. In our society, we have at least gotten as far as any from a rigid class structure. Here, money rules and there are opportunities for all to get some. Admittedly, some have to work harder than others, but if you are completely trapped in our society, then the chains are those they have put there themselves.
The opinions expressed here are of the commentator alone and do not necessary reflect those of this forum's management or staff, or in fact, most of the human race. :)
I know more white people I don't like than black people I don't like. Yeah, I know more white's than blacks, but still . . .
Am I a racist because there are black people I don't like? Then what am I called for not liking a lot of white people?
Post by: Kristin on July 15, 2016, 06:44:32 PM
I knew you couldn't be wrong about everything Kristin! ;)
Be careful! You may tarnish your reputation around here. :)
Post by: Jaybird180 on July 19, 2016, 07:52:25 AM
Quote
I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.”
Here's another example:
Congressman Steve King
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 19, 2016, 08:15:59 AM
Post by: Jaybird180 on July 19, 2016, 08:24:51 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 19, 2016, 08:45:18 AM
Let's face it, White Supremacy has ruled the planet for the last 4,000 years so it's pervasive. I acknowledge its pervasiveness but I know that we are now at the time in the history of the world where it's on it's way out. I don't think it will be in my lifetime, but as Dr. King said, "I've seen the Mountaintop".
you should get a refund for any history courses you've taken.
Post by: Steingar on July 19, 2016, 08:52:02 AM
you should get a refund for any history courses you've taken.
Try googling the term "manifest destiny".
Post by: Jaybird180 on July 19, 2016, 11:17:12 AM
you should get a refund for any history courses you've taken.You mean I don't tell HIS- Story?
Post by: Mase on July 19, 2016, 12:10:41 PM
Let's face it, White Supremacy has ruled the planet for the last 4,000 years so it's pervasive. I acknowledge its pervasiveness but I know that we are now at the time in the history of the world where it's on it's way out. I don't think it will be in my lifetime, but as Dr. King said, "I've seen the Mountaintop".
You may be right. The Chinese will be taking over.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 19, 2016, 12:39:16 PM
Try googling the term "manifest destiny".
um, 4000 years ago?
my suggestion is to google the term "inferiority complex" or "blame anyone and everyone else for my own problems"
Post by: Steingar on July 19, 2016, 12:54:17 PM
um, 4000 years ago?
About a hundred, actually.
Post by: Little Joe on July 19, 2016, 01:40:53 PM
About a hundred, actually.What does "Manifest Destiny" have anything to do with JB's claim that white supremacy has been the norm for 4,000 years?
And how on earth could white people possibly keep any race down for 4,000 years, unless they truly were superior?
Now don't jump up and down calling me a white supremacist. It is just that I deny that white supremacists have been keeping blacks down for 4,000 years. But for the life of me, I cannot comprehend how blacks have managed to stay suppressed all that time.
Post by: asechrest on July 19, 2016, 01:44:04 PM
On the other hand, if some leader in my racial group told me my failings were in part due to a deep-seated racism that I didn't even really "notice", I'd be half-inclined to say: "fuck you, I make my own way!". But again, I am white and have never really been on the receiving end of racism that I know of, so maybe I won't ever understand.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 19, 2016, 01:58:34 PM
About a hundred, actually.
so, your comment about "Manifest Destiny" has exactly Richard to do with JB's "4000 years of White Supremcy" BS.
Post by: nddons on July 19, 2016, 03:06:29 PM
In Bob's defense, I'm a Liberal and I still don't get the notion that there is some underlying but nigh-imperceptible (to the victim) white supremacy that keeps an entire race down. I've read Jaybird describe it and I still don't get it. Obviously I am cognizant of the fact that I am not a black man so will never truly know what it is like to be one.You're not white. You live in Florida, and no one is white. It's often a shade of tan leather, with occasional shades of pink burned skin.
On the other hand, if some leader in my racial group told me my failings were in part due to a deep-seated racism that I didn't even really "notice", I'd be half-inclined to say: "fuck you, I make my own way!". But again, I am white and have never really been on the receiving end of racism that I know of, so maybe I won't ever understand.
Post by: Kristin on July 19, 2016, 08:54:59 PM
Let's face it, White Supremacy has ruled the planet for the last 4,000 years so it's pervasive. I acknowledge its pervasiveness but I know that we are now at the time in the history of the world where it's on it's way out. I don't think it will be in my lifetime, but as Dr. King said, "I've seen the Mountaintop".
White supremacy is not a tangible thing or a people, or a set of peoples. It is an idea. It is an idea that has taken root in some whites in their arrogance and it has taken root in some minorities in their jealousy and need for a boogie man.
Our ancestors all started in Africa. From there they spread to all corners. My ancestors wondered into Europe. The weather was harsher and their skin became more pale so it could pick up the vitamin D from the sun. They didn't go to Europe with some plan to turn white and oppress all those who were not as white. Through a combination of many factors, societies grew there that advanced more rapidly in a technological sense. They didn't make these discoveries so that they could oppress those with more melanin in their skin. They did it to make their life better. It was probably a combination of harsher climate that required more effort to survive and the fragmenting of religions that allowed more freedom of thought and ideas.
Having gained a technological edge, the white Europeans set out to exploit their good fortune and effort. Being on the receiving end of that was not always wonderful, I will grant. Though when it comes to slavery, the Europeans learned from and were aided and abetted by the Africans of the time who had been trading in slaves for centuries. When Europe was weak, North African raiders would sail up into France and England and raid villages and take slaves. When the English and Portuguese slave traders went to Africa, they rarely raided villages. Other tribes did that and sold the captives they took to the slave traders who then brought them to the New World. It seems to me that there is a lot of blame to go around and on some level it is a cop out to just blame it all on racism and white supremacy.
I totally agree that the police are too trigger happy and that there are institutional and social barriers that blacks in this country face. Ditto women. Ditto gays. Ditto Hispanics. As some point, everyone and every group just has to say "screw it" and gets up and does their individual best to do as best as they can. Adding a California perspective, the Chinese came here in droves and were dumped on and exploited for decades. But as a group, they picked themselves up and now there are more of them in the top schools in California than those from a European background.
The world is not just black and white. Neither are the solutions, IMV.
Post by: Little Joe on July 20, 2016, 06:14:30 AM
Through a combination of many factors, societies grew there that advanced more rapidly in a technological sense. They didn't make these discoveries so that they could oppress those with more melanin in their skin. They did it to make their life better. It was probably a combination of harsher climate that required more effort to survive and the fragmenting of religions that allowed more freedom of thought and ideas.That was a good post Kristiin.
Throughout history, harsh conditions and harsh treatment either killed people or made them stronger. Why so many black people use it as an excuse for failure, and to wallow in self pity befuddles me.
I long to see a healthy, thriving and fully integrated black segment of our population. But whites can't accomplish that for them without their help.
Successful people, like Jaybird, actually give me hope. Even if they do have a chip on their shoulder. But that chip should be a motivator to make things better; not tear things down.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 20, 2016, 06:18:18 AM
Post by: Jaybird180 on July 20, 2016, 07:10:29 AM
White supremacy is not a tangible thing or a people, or a set of peoples. It is an idea. It is an idea that has taken root in some whites in their arrogance and it has taken root in some minorities in their jealousy and need for a boogie man.
Our ancestors all started in Africa. From there they spread to all corners. I totally agree that the police are too trigger happy and that there are institutional and social barriers that blacks in this country face. Ditto women. Ditto gays. Ditto Hispanics. As some point, everyone and every group just has to say "screw it" and gets up and does their individual best to do as best as they can. Adding a California perspective, the Chinese came here in droves and were dumped on and exploited for decades. But as a group, they picked themselves up and now there are more of them in the top schools in California than those from a European background.
The world is not just black and white. Neither are the solutions, IMV.
Removed the middle part and I'd agree 100%
Post by: Jaybird180 on July 20, 2016, 07:12:32 AM
That was a good post Kristiin.
Throughout history, harsh conditions and harsh treatment either killed people or made them stronger. Why so many black people use it as an excuse for failure, and to wallow in self pity befuddles me.
I long to see a healthy, thriving and fully integrated black segment of our population. But whites can't accomplish that for them without their help.
Successful people, like Jaybird, actually give me hope. Even if they do have a chip on their shoulder. But that chip should be a motivator to make things better; not tear things down.
I'll say it again: I'm a statistical anomaly. The only thing I want to tear down are barriers to success. That's what we all should be focused on. Those that oppose are the "Oppressors". We can call them by whatever other name (and yes they come in multiple hues).
Post by: Little Joe on July 20, 2016, 10:54:36 AM
I'll say it again: I'm a statistical anomaly. The only thing I want to tear down are barriers to success. That's what we all should be focused on. Those that oppose are the "Oppressors". We can call them by whatever other name (and yes they come in multiple hues).I understand that you are a statistical anomaly. But what I don't understand is why that is so? What do you have that other blacks don't? Why can you be successful but so many other blacks need affirmative action and welfare?
Post by: Jaybird180 on July 20, 2016, 12:01:55 PM
I understand that you are a statistical anomaly. But what I don't understand is why that is so? What do you have that other blacks don't? Why can you be successful but so many other blacks need affirmative action and welfare?
The system is setup to allow some of us to "slip through the cracks" so that we can be an example to others, that if they just "drank the Kool-Aid" then they could slip through too. I'm a multiple anomaly because there are so many reasons that I'm not supposed to "make it". Truth is - I haven't "made it" yet. I've had so many doors slammed in my face that one day I'm going to write a book about it.
On the surface, I'm am the stereotypical "Black dude". I'm 6 feet tall, large frame and I walk and talk like "I think too much of myself" and that frightens people (White and Black). I'm smart and now something that used to be an asset (prior Military service and service to the Black Community) is being characterized in the media as "Dangerous" or "a ticking time-bomb"....plus I have a Pilot's Certificate - OOOOhhhhh, better watch out....The big bad Black Muslim dude may put on a Dashiki and fly a SE piston into something.....yeah, right (/rant off).
Post by: Mase on July 20, 2016, 12:24:29 PM
Post by: pilot_dude on July 20, 2016, 12:45:52 PM
I have news for you: everyone has had doors slammed in their face, everyone has to overcome obstacles.Mic drop
Post by: nddons on July 20, 2016, 01:33:36 PM
The system is setup to allow some of us to "slip through the cracks" so that we can be an example to others, that if they just "drank the Kool-Aid" then they could slip through too. I'm a multiple anomaly because there are so many reasons that I'm not supposed to "make it". Truth is - I haven't "made it" yet. I've had so many doors slammed in my face that one day I'm going to write a book about it.So, how did "the system" get your name? How did "the system" chose you? What did "the system" do to get you to graduate from high school, and how did "the system" actively work to prevent other blacks (upwards of 50% in some cities like Milwaukee) from graduating high school? Did "the system" give kids drugs, force them to join gangs, or compel them to impregnate young teenage girls, and if so, why didn't "the system" provide those poor high school dropouts with condoms?
On the surface, I'm am the stereotypical "Black dude". I'm 6 feet tall, large frame and I walk and talk like "I think too much of myself" and that frightens people (White and Black). I'm smart and now something that used to be an asset (prior Military service and service to the Black Community) is being characterized in the media as "Dangerous" or "a ticking time-bomb"....plus I have a Pilot's Certificate - OOOOhhhhh, better watch out....The big bad Black Muslim dude may put on a Dashiki and fly a SE piston into something.....yeah, right (/rant off).
Is there a department in the government that regulates "the system", because if so, I'd like to dissolve them for doing such a shitty job.
Pathetic.
Post by: Kristin on July 20, 2016, 02:35:45 PM
Removed the middle part and I'd agree 100%
You disagree with historical fact or something else?
Post by: Kristin on July 20, 2016, 02:50:17 PM
The system is setup to allow some of us to "slip through the cracks" so that we can be an example to others, that if they just "drank the Kool-Aid" then they could slip through too. I'm a multiple anomaly because there are so many reasons that I'm not supposed to "make it". Truth is - I haven't "made it" yet. I've had so many doors slammed in my face that one day I'm going to write a book about it.
Why is it hard for your to give yourself some credit? Are you a traitor to the Black community if you succeed in the face of adversity? Will it make others in the community feel worse about themselves if you succeeded on your merits and not on a slip of fortune?
I have had more than a few obstacles as a professional woman in aviation and the law. Now I am running into hurdles because of age. I do know about unfair barriers and would like to see them all removed. But the truth is that every society has its barriers and every person their cross to bear. Heck, even the British royal family who are born into a safe world with every luxury guaranteed to them save for one . . . the freedom to be who they are and do what they want to do.
Post by: Number7 on July 20, 2016, 03:48:18 PM
I'll say it again: I'm a statistical anomaly. The only thing I want to tear down are barriers to success. That's what we all should be focused on. Those that oppose are the "Oppressors". We can call them by whatever other name (and yes they come in multiple hues).
In an age where every "barrier" to success has been modified to give black candidates an edge, claiming that barriers still exist is stupid beyond belief. Even test scores are now ignored to give black applicants a leg up on white applicants at most colleges. You claiming that your people are being kept down is an outright fabrication.
Post by: Kristin on July 20, 2016, 06:39:56 PM
In an age where every "barrier" to success has been modified to give black candidates an edge, claiming that barriers still exist is stupid beyond belief. Even test scores are now ignored to give black applicants a leg up on white applicants at most colleges. You claiming that your people are being kept down is an outright fabrication.
Even from a native of the planet stupid, you are raising ignorant to an art form. While I don't think the Dems solution is the right one, clearly there are barriers.
Post by: Jaybird180 on July 20, 2016, 07:27:38 PM
I have news for you: everyone has had doors slammed in their face, everyone has to overcome obstacles.No shit, Sherlock.
Post by: Jaybird180 on July 20, 2016, 07:29:28 PM
In an age where every "barrier" to success has been modified to give black candidates an edge, claiming that barriers still exist is stupid beyond belief. Even test scores are now ignored to give black applicants a leg up on white applicants at most colleges. You claiming that your people are being kept down is an outright fabrication.I think you missed the 1980's sir.
Post by: Jaybird180 on July 20, 2016, 07:30:59 PM
Why is it hard for your to give yourself some credit? Are you a traitor to the Black community if you succeed in the face of adversity? Will it make others in the community feel worse about themselves if you succeeded on your merits and not on a slip of fortune?
I have had more than a few obstacles as a professional woman in aviation and the law. Now I am running into hurdles because of age. I do know about unfair barriers and would like to see them all removed. But the truth is that every society has its barriers and every person their cross to bear. Heck, even the British royal family who are born into a safe world with every luxury guaranteed to them save for one . . . the freedom to be who they are and do what they want to do.
Because I've also made my share of mistakes and others paid a heavier price than I. Yes, I worked hard and found a way to keep going but I also had 2 hidden hands working in my favor, Grace and Mercy.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 20, 2016, 10:23:24 PM
I think you missed the 1980's sir.
you've missed the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, 00s, ...
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 21, 2016, 05:29:00 AM
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BARNESVILLE, Ga. - A community came together in a big way for a homeless teen after a Georgia police officer discovered the 19-year-old sleeping in a tent at Gordon State College.
There are young blacks willing to do what it takes to break out of the mold.
Post by: Mase on July 21, 2016, 06:40:13 AM
http://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/175685675-story (http://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/175685675-story)
There are young blacks willing to do what it takes to break out of the mold.
And generous people willing to help.
Post by: Number7 on July 21, 2016, 07:16:14 AM
Post by: Jaybird180 on July 21, 2016, 07:48:27 AM
Though the circumstances were different, the pathway to success is the same. Young blacks can break out of the ghetto anytime they choose but it takes hard work, perseverance and ingenuity. Why that is unfair and / or racist is beyond me, except for the fact that race pimps like Farrakhan and Sharpton make their fortunes keeping success out of the grasp of young blacks so that the race hustlers can remain wealthy.Sorry buddy, I have to take exception here. Were it not for Farrakhan, I might be one of the statistics that would bust you upside your head. Because of Farrakhan, I have an viable objective to reach. Because of Farrakhan I have a fighting chance and a hope that I can be part of the solution to America's ills. You're wrong. Farrakhan has done more for Blacks than you know. Did you know that he wrote a book that he sent to then President Clinton called, A Torchlight for America, wherein he outlined specific steps that can be done to resolve many of the economic, social and political problems with Blacks AND mainstream America??? You should look it up.
To be honest, I cannot look at anyone that speaks against him with anything other than suspicion.
Post by: Jaybird180 on July 21, 2016, 07:49:08 AM
And generous people willing to help.Not only did I hear of that story, I posted about it on my FB page. Very good examples in that story that can be mimicked.
Post by: Number7 on July 21, 2016, 08:17:31 AM
Your assertions in his defense represent deep denial and willful suspension of reality.
Post by: asechrest on July 21, 2016, 08:42:21 AM
Because I've also made my share of mistakes and others paid a heavier price than I. Yes, I worked hard and found a way to keep going but I also had 2 hidden hands working in my favor, Grace and Mercy.
If you attribute the Grace and Mercy to the divine, then so, too, do others have those in their favor. You succeeded in life primarily because of you. So, too, do we all sink or swim primarily by our own merits. Yes, we have some luck and we have some help. But then again, we reach within ourselves for the strength to take advantage of that help.
It's not God, or Farrakhan, or luck. It's you, taking knowledge and experience and having the wherewithal to turn that into success.
Post by: Steingar on July 21, 2016, 08:51:42 AM
Farrakhan is a terror facilitating and supporting, psychopathic, egomaniac.
Your assertions in his defense represent deep denial and willful suspension of reality.
Unfortunately, people are not all so simple that they can be summed up in a soundbite. Obviously Farrakhan has had a positive effect on many. His message of self-empowerment is a good one for people who want a leg up in the world. There are also more negative aspects to his preachings, though.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 21, 2016, 08:52:41 AM
Sorry buddy, I have to take exception here. Were it not for Farrakhan, I might be one of the statistics that would bust you upside your head.
your worship of frarrakhan makes your successes even more remarkable.
To be honest, I cannot look at anyone that speaks against him with anything other than suspicion.
imagine the number of people that distrust anyone that adores him .
Post by: Jaybird180 on July 21, 2016, 09:22:20 AM
your worship of frarrakhan makes your successes even more remarkable.I am not of the Polytheists. I worship Allah alone.
imagine the number of people that distrust anyone that adores him .
Post by: Jaybird180 on July 21, 2016, 09:27:21 AM
Farrakhan is a terror facilitating and supporting, psychopathic, egomaniac.The explain this if what you say has a morsel of truth, otherwise I'll dismiss you as the malicious and non-imaginative liar you are
Your assertions in his defense represent deep denial and willful suspension of reality.
http://blackchristiannews.com/2015/08/minister-louis-farrakhan-meets-with-and-prays-for-members-of-the-memphis-police-department/
Post by: nddons on July 21, 2016, 09:34:57 AM
Though the circumstances were different, the pathway to success is the same. Young blacks can break out of the ghetto anytime they choose but it takes hard work, perseverance and ingenuity. Why that is unfair and / or racist is beyond me, except for the fact that race pimps like Farrakhan and Sharpton make their fortunes keeping success out of the grasp of young blacks so that the race hustlers can remain wealthy.It's "the system", haven't you heard? "The system" plucked JB out while "the system" forced fellow blacks into poverty.
Post by: Kristin on July 21, 2016, 03:50:25 PM
Because I've also made my share of mistakes and others paid a heavier price than I. Yes, I worked hard and found a way to keep going but I also had 2 hidden hands working in my favor, Grace and Mercy.
Everyone makes mistakes. You have obviously kept getting up. Good on you. Can you figure out how to spread some of that Grace and Mercy thing around a bit? If that got you up again, then maybe it would work for others.
Post by: Jaybird180 on July 21, 2016, 04:26:50 PM
Everyone makes mistakes. You have obviously kept getting up. Good on you. Can you figure out how to spread some of that Grace and Mercy thing around a bit? If that got you up again, then maybe it would work for others.It's why I promote Islam as taught by The Honorable Elijah Muhammad for providing me with the framework and a start.
Post by: Number7 on July 22, 2016, 07:34:20 AM
Unfortunately, people are not all so simple that they can be summed up in a soundbite. Obviously Farrakhan has had a positive effect on many. His message of self-empowerment is a good one for people who want a leg up in the world. There are also more negative aspects to his preachings, though.
Then you missed his incitement to murder followed, hours later, by the assassination of Police Officers by a pig Nation of Islam devotee.