PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: asechrest on August 18, 2017, 11:38:46 AM
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Unclear whether he resigned (he says he did), or Trump fired him (Trump says he did).
Does anyone know whether this level of turmoil is unusual within White House presidential staff? I don't have a good sense of how it compares to other administrations, or even how much actual turmoil it is. Though to be fair, I'm sick of political news and haven't kept up well.
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Why would the Trump admin model and previous admin? I don't really care if his turnover is higher or lower. I care about competent, and qualified people in their jobs.
We've all heard about the difficulty in firing useless or unproductive fed employees. Hopefully this will turn things around and someone like that IRS bitch doesn't get to retire on full benefits, rather than being removed from her job, and turned out pennyless.
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After this past week's insanity, if you couldn't see that coming you're not paying attention.
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Why would the Trump admin model and previous admin? I don't really care if his turnover is higher or lower. I care about competent, and qualified people in their jobs.
We've all heard about the difficulty in firing useless or unproductive fed employees. Hopefully this will turn things around and someone like that IRS bitch doesn't get to retire on full benefits, rather than being removed from her job, and turned out pennyless.
Turmoil and high turnover are not indicative of someone who's good at choosing the right people for the job, nor is it especially good for maintaining continuity of work within these groups.
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After this past week's insanity, if you couldn't see that coming you're not paying attention.
Oh? How so.
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Turmoil and high turnover are not indicative of someone who's good at choosing the right people for the job, nor is it especially good for maintaining continuity of work within these groups.
Please go do some research on Presidential administrations and turn over of staff. You'll discover that Trump is not alone and other administrations suffer the same turn overs.
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Please go do some research on Presidential administrations and turn over of staff. You'll discover that Trump is not alone and other administrations suffer the same turn overs.
http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?topic=2303.msg41222#msg41222
You did answer my question, so thanks. You were a dick about it, though, so no thanks for that.
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http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?topic=2303.msg41222#msg41222
You did answer my question, so thanks. You were a dick about it, though, so no thanks for that.
Oh, sorry, I forgot you lack the skills to do a simple internet or google search.
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Oh, sorry, I forgot you lack the skills to do a simple internet or google search.
And I forgot you lacked the balls to be a dick without hiding behind an internet alias. ;)
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Unclear whether he resigned (he says he did), or Trump fired him (Trump says he did).
Does anyone know whether this level of turmoil is unusual within White House presidential staff? I don't have a good sense of how it compares to other administrations, or even how much actual turmoil it is. Though to be fair, I'm sick of political news and haven't kept up well.
Let me Google that for you:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=historical+turnover+presidential+administrations (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=historical+turnover+presidential+administrations)
Here's one result:
http://www.9news.com/news/local/verify/verify-is-trumps-staff-turnover-unusual/461137333 (http://www.9news.com/news/local/verify/verify-is-trumps-staff-turnover-unusual/461137333)
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If you think this indicates turmoil and dissent between Trump and Bannon you're buying a narrative.
Bannon can and will be far more effective outside the the WH than in it - Trump is a far better stategerist than he gets credit for, from left and right alike.
I suspect this is all part of the plan, expect Bannon to return to Brietbart or another media outlet where he can better influence the political/media interaction than his current post.
'Gimp
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And I forgot you lacked the balls to be a dick without hiding behind an internet alias. ;)
Ah, your "safe space" fall back. Funny how you don't chide your fellow progressives on this board because they don't use their actual names.
Go to the door on the right, there are coloring books and play doh for you.
Just think happy thoughts. :)
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If you think this indicates turmoil and dissent between Trump and Bannon you're buying a narrative.
Bannon can and will be far more effective outside the the WH than in it - Trump is a far better stategerist than he gets credit for, from left and right alike.
I suspect this is all part of the plan, expect Bannon to return to Brietbart or another media outlet where he can better influence the political/media interaction than his current post.
'Gimp
No offense, Gimp, but can you perhaps use your reading skills on my first post? I'm specifically concerned about NOT buying a narrative. Thus you have a liberal (me), here in a sea of conservatives (you dudes and dudettes), asking whether folks know if this is an unusual amount of staff turnover. Maybe this forum wouldn't be one big masturbatory session if ya'll could lose the defensiveness just because I've got a Liberal tag next to my forum handle.
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Ah, your "safe space" fall back. Funny how you don't chide your fellow progressives on this board because they don't use their actual names.
Go to the door on the right, there are coloring books and play doh for you.
Just think happy thoughts. :)
I'm not a Progressive, so they're not my fellows. They also aren't a dick to me, surely owing to the fact that we're on the same side of the aisle and don't often butt heads. Nevertheless, your tendency toward imitating a phallus is bolstered your lack of the same and attached apparatus. Safe space, for sure.
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I'm not a Progressive, so they're not my fellows. They also aren't a dick to me, surely owing to the fact that we're on the same side of the aisle and don't often butt heads. Nevertheless, your tendency toward imitating a phallus is bolstered your lack of the same and attached apparatus. Safe space, for sure.
Go pet your puppy and cry in the corner.......Remember "happy thoughts"..... ;D
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Go pet your puppy and cry in the corner.......Remember "happy thoughts"..... ;D
Dare you to reveal your real name, Mr. Safe Space.
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Dare you to reveal your real name, Mr. Safe Space.
Lucifer
Happy now Mr. Snow Flake?
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No offense, Gimp, but can you perhaps use your reading skills on my first post? I'm specifically concerned about NOT buying a narrative. Thus you have a liberal (me), here in a sea of conservatives (you dudes and dudettes), asking whether folks know if this is an unusual amount of staff turnover. Maybe this forum wouldn't be one big masturbatory session if ya'll could lose the defensiveness just because I've got a Liberal tag next to my forum handle.
Woah woah woah, I was only speaking to the element that this somehow represents turmoil, which you yourself suggested in a post only a few in front of mine. Before condemning someone else's critical reading skills and accusing them of being defensive be sure you are not projecting.
That said, comparing this to any other modern presidency is folly, Trump tossed the rulebook BEFORE he got there, as should be patently obvious by now (and specifically why a large portion of his support voted for him in the first place) - he is running the Executive more like a business which is why he has focused on certain positions and let others go unfilled, why he has pushed for certain things from Congress and elected to go it alone via Executive Order (not my favorite mechanism), etc.
My point was and remains that this specific departure being described or thought of as 'turmoil' is a narrative being pushed by folks with an agenda - I suspect this departure has been planned for a while and is being executed in accordance with a plan which would be the opposite of turmoil.
'Gimp
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Lucifer
Happy now Mr. Snow Flake?
Do you have phantom pains where your balls once where?
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My very first post questions whether there even is any turmoil.
Woah woah woah, I was only speaking to the element that this somehow represents turmoil, which you yourself suggested in a post only a few in front of mine. Before condemning someone else's critical reading skills and accusing them of being defensive be sure you are not projecting.
That said, comparing this to any other modern presidency is folly, Trump tossed the rulebook BEFORE he got there, as should be patently obvious by now (and specifically why a large portion of his support voted for him in the first place) - he is running the Executive more like a business which is why he has focused on certain positions and let others go unfilled, why he has pushed for certain things from Congress and elected to go it alone via Executive Order (not my favorite mechanism), etc.
My point was and remains that this specific departure being described or thought of as 'turmoil' is a narrative being pushed by folks with an agenda - I suspect this departure has been planned for a while and is being executed in accordance with a plan which would be the opposite of turmoil.
'Gimp
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Bannon is going to war.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/steve-bannon-im-going-to-war-for-trump/article/2632006
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Unclear whether he resigned (he says he did), or Trump fired him (Trump says he did).
Does anyone know whether this level of turmoil is unusual within White House presidential staff? I don't have a good sense of how it compares to other administrations, or even how much actual turmoil it is. Though to be fair, I'm sick of political news and haven't kept up well.
IIRC, Ronald Reagan experienced quite a lot of turnover in his first year. The press was just as opposed to him, but not nearly as willing to prostrate themselves on the communist altar at the time, so we don't recall the turnover as seeming so erratic.
However, G.W. Bush and Obama also experienced significant turnover, but the press would have burned themselves at the stake before they would have made an issue of it.
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I'm glad he's gone. He didn't do anything positive for the White House or the president and shouldn't have been given the position in the first place. He'll probably go back to Breitbart now, which has been ruined because of him. If he's replaced at all, hopefully it'll be with an actual conservative.
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I'm glad he's gone. He didn't do anything positive for the White House or the president and shouldn't have been given the position in the first place. He'll probably go back to Breitbart now, which has been ruined because of him. If he's replaced at all, hopefully it'll be with an actual conservative.
Maybe he'll get Mitt Romney for the job.
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Maybe he'll get Mitt Romney for the job.
Groan, Mitt's a nice guy, but no. (I know that was sarcasm btw) I find it interesting that Bannon said he is going to fight Ivanka and the son in law. I think Bannon is right, hoping Trump sticks to his guns and doesn't fall for the turn to center crap.