PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Rush on April 26, 2022, 07:09:41 AM
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EDIT: Update, today's continuance:
The NGFA is now in front of the STB about severe problems in our supply chain (human and animal food and fuel components).
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This is an emergency hearing. I don't know if the STB has ever done that before. Basically, the people producing and moving around our FOOD are bringing their serious concerns to the government board that has some control over regulating transportation. I don't know how much the STB can do about it. They'd need to go back in time and stop the WuFlu from every being released. Or Fauci from recommending lockdowns.
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Now the guy is talking about ethanol disruption and how that will contribute to even higher prices at the pump.
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None of this is a surprise.
And the powers that be knew what the eventual results would be. Just more of the plandemic.
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Now the guy is talking about ethanol disruption and how that will contribute to even higher prices at the pump.
I still think the end game is:
The upper middle and rich who can afford electric cars will be pushed that way
The lower middle and below who can't will be pushed to public transportation
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I still think the end game is:
The upper middle and rich who can afford electric cars will be pushed that way
The lower middle and below who can't will be pushed to public transportation
That's exactly the plan.
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If this is deliberate then they want to starve millions of people to death to achieve "green" ness. Of course, I believe that is what they want. They think humanity is bad for the planet.
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If this is deliberate then they want to starve millions of people to death to achieve "green" ness. Of course, I believe that is what they want. They think humanity is bad for the planet.
People like Bill Gates are convinced the earth is over populated. Time to thin the herd.
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Wow. CSX is talking now. He’s saying they never had a problem getting employees before the pandemic, but now nobody wants to come back. They want to sit at home. They’re scared of the virus. Wow. The extended evil of what the Covidians have done.
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The extended evil of what the Covidians have done.
Two years ago I made the comment about opening Pandora's Box. It was opened and there is no going back.
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Now he is saying, we do not have conductors to run the trains. They just can’t get people to work and they can’t run a train with no people.
They don’t want to work nights, they don’t want to work weekends. Let me tell you the trains need to run all the time!
What the hell has happened to the work ethic in this country?
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Now he is saying, we do not have conductors to run the trains. They just can’t get people to work and they can’t run a train with no people.
They don’t want to work nights, they don’t want to work weekends. Let me tell you the trains need to run all the time!
What the hell has happened to the work ethic in this country?
Beats me, I'm outa da loop because I'm retired!
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Wow! His closing statement for today (the STB head) to the railroads: “It seems the biggest problem is not enough workers and that problem won’t be solved any time soon, in the meantime we have a crisis, we have to get stuff moving, you are the railroads it’s your job so you need to do better.”
If I recall that guy is a Democrat. So now the Dems are going to blame the railroads when we have empty shelves.
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Wow! His closing statement for today (the STB head) to the railroads: “It seems the biggest problem is not enough workers and that problem won’t be solved any time soon, in the meantime we have a crisis, we have to get stuff moving, you are the railroads it’s your job so you need to do better.”
If I recall that guy is a Democrat. So now the Dems are going to blame the railroads when we have empty shelves.
kind of like the way lazy hollywood writers have shallow military "leaders" thinking that things will happen just because they said to do it.
Picard can get away with "make it so" because he provided people with the means to do accomplish things. But when our nation's "leaders" create an environment supporting non-work, they can't just say "make it so"
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Wow! His closing statement for today (the STB head) to the railroads: “It seems the biggest problem is not enough workers and that problem won’t be solved any time soon, in the meantime we have a crisis, we have to get stuff moving, you are the railroads it’s your job so you need to do better.”
If I recall that guy is a Democrat. So now the Dems are going to blame the railroads when we have empty shelves.
Sometimes a labor shortage is due to inadequate pay rather than lack of qualified candidates. If it is that important, try raising the pay and then raise your prices to compensate. Even if government policy caused the problem, the standard market solutions generally work. It would not surprise me if the big companies went to government to bypass the market solutions.
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Sometimes a labor shortage is due to inadequate pay rather than lack of qualified candidates. If it is that important, try raising the pay and then raise your prices to compensate. Even if government policy caused the problem, the standard market solutions generally work. It would not surprise me if the big companies went to government to bypass the market solutions.
Absolutely. You offer enough pay they will come. The trouble is you then need to raise prices and the shippers are already screaming about already high freight rates.
It’s not the big railroad companies that came to the government. It was the shippers, who are RR’s customers. The RRs were “invited” by the STB to show up to this hearing, after the shippers came ringing the alarm bell. None of the RR CEOs showed up, they sent their COOs and such, for which they were chastised by the board.
The shippers are catching hell from their customers in turn, who are the cattlemen with nothing to feed their hungry stock, food processing plants that have to shut production down for broken supply stream of fit for human consumption commodities, same with gasoline refineries awaiting delayed ethanol deliveries.
The railroads are being hit from both sides, pressure not to raise freight rates from the one side, and need to attract workers with higher pay on the other. Part of the problem is nobody wants to be railroad crew anymore. Young people all want to be video game designers or gender study experts, they don’t want “dirty” and dangerous jobs, no matter how much you offer them. There’s probably a point they’ll do it but the price would have to be extremely high, and they still might not because there are many tech jobs available where they can work remotely M-F instead of outside at a rail yard in all kinds of weather at all hours and weekends and holidays and risking getting squashed between two rail cars.
They were doing okay before the pandemic. Locking down for two years spoiled the hell out of people who decided they like staying home in their pajamas. Companies were forced to ramp up remote technology creating lots more opportunities to work from home, so that has dried up the pool of potential new rail workers, and the ones who were furloughed in the meantime are not coming back, to the surprise of the RR companies who thought they would when demand returned.
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kind of like the way lazy hollywood writers have shallow military "leaders" thinking that things will happen just because they said to do it.
Picard can get away with "make it so" because he provided people with the means to do accomplish things. But when our nation's "leaders" create an environment supporting non-work, they can't just say "make it so"
Well put.
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The NITL guy is saying it wasn't the pandemic that caused the problem, it was PSR. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precision_railroading)
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Now they're talking about forest products. Lumber and paper industries. She's talking about supply chain disruptions there, also having to shut down production, etc. These are our packaging for all kinds of products and construction materials.
They are now the shipper side presenting their case again. They're going to the government to "fix" this problem but unless the STB can put us in a time machine and stop the LUNATIC COVIDIANS from shutting down the country for two years, there is no fixing this. We WILL have much greater inflation and shrinking supplies until things even out through the market assuming the government doesn't fuck it all up by say fixing prices or nationalizing the railroad industry God forbid.
This hearing is going to amount to nothing. The STB can't fix it.
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Now a plastics and chemical manufacturer is talking. Think about how much plastic and chlorine we use. Medical applications, industrial processing, example fertilizer, etc. etc. etc.
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btw - recently my bank switched envelopes they use to mail things to customers (things that banking regulations *require* them to mail). Why? because they can't get the approved ones because (wait for it... supply chain problems).
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Democrats are horrible managers and administrators. They just talk about stuff.
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Democrats are horrible managers and administrators. They just talk about stuff.
(babble, not talk)
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Now they are talking about water treatment plants shutting down for lack of supplies, and again, food production facilities. There is also a severe shortage of truck drivers, so the option to switch from rail to truck is not a solution. Again, the younguns don't want to be truck drivers.
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Now they're talking about forest products. Lumber and paper industries. She's talking about supply chain disruptions there, also having to shut down production, etc. These are our packaging for all kinds of products and construction materials.
They are now the shipper side presenting their case again. They're going to the government to "fix" this problem but unless the STB can put us in a time machine and stop the LUNATIC COVIDIANS from shutting down the country for two years, there is no fixing this. We WILL have much greater inflation and shrinking supplies until things even out through the market assuming the government doesn't fuck it all up by say fixing prices or nationalizing the railroad industry God forbid.
This hearing is going to amount to nothing. The STB can't fix it.
We've been shipping all our good lumber overseas for decades. Look at any west coast port and you'll see millions worth of lumber waiting to go to China. Then look at the crap at Home Depot or Lowes. They don't give a crap about us, they just want to have good PR sound bites.
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Now they're talking about problems with coal deliveries to power plants.
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Here is the agenda, I don't know how well a pdf will attach...
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Wow. They’re talking about “holding the railroads accountable” for all this. It was the Democrat lockdowns that caused all this.
When are the Democrats and coward Republicans going to be held accountable!!
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Wow. They’re talking about “holding the railroads accountable” for all this. It was the Democrat lockdowns that caused all this.
When are the Democrats and coward Republicans going to be held accountable!!
You sure you're not watching Atlas Shrugged?
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You sure you're not watching Atlas Shrugged?
Interesting! Most people have no idea how important the railroads are to every aspect of our lives. She wrote that book in 1957 and if anything it’s even more true today.
Just about everything we use or consume has some ingredient or component that was rail freight at some point. If all the trains suddenly stopped running, we would be plunged into catastrophe. That is of course the premise of Atlas Shrugged, and how leftist authoritarian regulations strangle a thriving economy.
Nevermind slow death by thousands of regulations. In just two years of lockdowns the government has done more damage than the previous forty years.
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Interesting! Most people have no idea how important the railroads are to every aspect of our lives. She wrote that book in 1957 and if anything it’s even more true today.
Just about everything we use or consume has some ingredient or component that was rail freight at some point. If all the trains suddenly stopped running, we would be plunged into catastrophe. That is of course the premise of Atlas Shrugged, and how leftist authoritarian regulations strangle a thriving economy.
Nevermind slow death by thousands of regulations. In just two years of lockdowns the government has done more damage than the previous forty years.
And is Elon Musk our John Galt?
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And is Elon Musk our John Galt?
Maybe so and eerily just as I’m reading this I’m listening to a Depp witness testify that Amber Heard did in fact date Elon Musk! Threads collide!
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And is Elon Musk our John Galt?
Back when Elon crossed swords with California's Alameda County health authorities over shutting down the Tesla Fremont factory I recall seeing him referred to as John Galt-like in reader comments to stories about it on teslarati.com. It was the last place I would have expected any reader of Rand's work to show up. Since then the number of libertarian and right-wing commenters to that site has grown. I think the SpaceX fans are somewhat more libertarian than the Tesla fans, though both show a moderate amount of disdain for government.
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Things are getting worse as railroad workers are stretched to the limit with mandatory overtime and miserable working conditions. Unions are now threatening to strike by a vote of 99.5% among the rank and file. Negotiations for higher pay failed triggering a PEB (presidential emergency board) which ordered a “cool down period” during which they cannot strike. This period ends September 16. The PEB recommended pay raises backdated to 2020 but only half what the unions are demanding and not enough to keep up with inflation. The unions say they will not agree to this. The railroads don’t want to pay more.
Negotiations continue but if an agreement isn’t reached by September 16, one of two things will happen: The rail worker unions will strike, or by a vote by Congress, they can be ordered not to strike, and Congress can make the PEB recommendations mandatory and force the contract on the two parties.
The railroads are already making preparations for a strike and severe service disruption. As of tomorrow Norfolk Southern will stop shipment of certain hazardous materials and curtail some services in anticipation of ramping down freight movements. If a strike does not happen they will resume.
Buckle your seatbelts, this could be a wild ride. Stock up your pantries and prepare for shortages plus massively increased prices. I have a feeling though that a strike will NOT be allowed to happen. The truth is that the elite, consisting of the Biden administration, railroad management, and the union leaders (not the rank and file) are all in cahoots to prevent a strike. It would be very bad for the Democrats at midterm.
Rank and file rail workers are furious at the Biden administration and many are leaving the Democrat party because they feel the Dems have abandoned the working class. (This doesn’t necessarily mean they’re turning red. Some are avowed Marxists, but hopefully that’s a minority.)
If the unions vote to strike, and Congress blocks it, there may still be supply chain disruption as it is likely many more workers will quit. The railroads are hemorrhaging employees and it’s not all due to Covid. There are many deeply seated reasons which aren’t going away any time soon.
Our entire economy rests largely on the railroads which are invisible to most of the public except when they are annoyed at being delayed by a train at a RR X-ing. This ought to be getting full time coverage on MSM as a looming catastrophe but I don’t think MSM wants to say anything about more Biden/Dem failure.
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Congress wont act because it is a toxic issue they want no part of.
The Biden admin has to figure out which block of voters to pander to and sounds like they will screw that up.
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Congress wont act because it is a toxic issue they want no part of.
The Biden admin has to figure out which block of voters to pander to and sounds like they will screw that up.
The Biden administration has declared all Republicans enemies of the State. His lame ass walk-back the following day must be what passes for pandering to that block of voters - half the country.
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FJB and congress will fuck this up.
The cabal behind the curtains would love nothing more than to bring this country to it's knees again.
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Congress wont act because it is a toxic issue they want no part of.
The Biden admin has to figure out which block of voters to pander to and sounds like they will screw that up.
Agreed. Wait for calls for union wages, elimination of right to work laws in the states, card check, and forced unionizations.
They’re like a fucking broken record.
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Followed by forced union dues that go directly to the democrat party. Follow the money.
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Why would Democrats want to fix this. It goes toward the plan of destroying the country
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All the railroads are cutting back services now in expectation of a strike. Some have stopped unit train shipments (100 to 115 cars). These carry bulk foods, coal, ethanol, and many other unnecessary luxuries.
Norfolk Southern will close gates to all intermodal traffic noon Wednesday Sept. 14. That would be the containers that are taken off trains and put on trucks to bring you all your stuffs. Most of other carriers have stopped all hazmat shipping and curtailed other services. Canadian Pacific says they’re not changing anything in Canada because it’s not their problem, but they’ll embargo anything coming into the U.S.
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All the railroads are cutting back services now in expectation of a strike. Some have stopped unit train shipments (100 to 115 cars). These carry bulk foods, coal, ethanol, and many other unnecessary luxuries.
Norfolk Southern will close gates to all intermodal traffic noon Wednesday Sept. 14. That would be the containers that are taken off trains and put on trucks to bring you all your stuffs. Most of other carriers have stopped all hazmat shipping and curtailed other services. Canadian Pacific says they’re not changing anything in Canada because it’s not their problem, but they’ll embargo anything coming into the U.S.
When I have my bedroom windows open at night, I usually get woken every morning around 3-4 when the trains start rolling through. The tracks are about a mile from me, with a couple of crossings close by. I've heard nothing the past few nights.
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I can hear trains too. Still hearing them.
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When I have my bedroom windows open at night, I usually get woken every morning around 3-4 when the trains start rolling through. The tracks are about a mile from me, with a couple of crossings close by. I've heard nothing the past few nights.
When I was a kid we’d visit Johnstown PA, back then producing steel, iron, and coal. My relatives were steel workers and coal miners. Their little houses were right up the hill from a big rail yard. Trains would be going all day and all night. In the summer we’d sleep with the windows open (no air conditioning in northern Appalachia in the 60s) and the clattering of the trains lulled us to sleep and kept us asleep all night. When I went back to visit as an adult the steel mills were gone and the trains had pared down to only once in a while. I missed the constant all night trains.
Edit: I misspelled “pare”.
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When I was a kid we’d visit Johnstown PA, back then producing steel, iron, and coal. My relatives were steel workers and coal miners. Their little houses were right up the hill from a big rail yard. Trains would be going all day and all night. In the summer we’d sleep with the windows open (no air conditioning in northern Appalachia in the 60s) and the clattering of the trains lulled us to sleep and kept us asleep all night. When I went back to visit as an adult the steel mills were gone and the trains had paired down to only once in a while. I missed the constant all night trains.
Did you grow up in WV or PA? Nice story.
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When I was a kid we’d visit Johnstown PA, back then producing steel, iron, and coal. My relatives were steel workers and coal miners. Their little houses were right up the hill from a big rail yard. Trains would be going all day and all night. In the summer we’d sleep with the windows open (no air conditioning in northern Appalachia in the 60s) and the clattering of the trains lulled us to sleep and kept us asleep all night. When I went back to visit as an adult the steel mills were gone and the trains had paired down to only once in a while. I missed the constant all night trains.
Pete buttplug was in my area a few weeks ago to announce a 25 million construction project along the road that runs parallel to the tracks. It needs it; it's a main road to get to Cedar Point amusement park. They are putting in bike lanes along this busy road! Yet we push our local politicians and reps to work on getting silent railroad crossings put in. The response, no money or too expensive! How much is it going to cost to widen the road for a bike lane???
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When they shut off the gas and electric you will need the bike lanes.
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Did you grow up in WV or PA? Nice story.
Neither. I grew up in VA, IA and NC. My mom was from Johnstown and we only visited her family in PA. When she reached adulthood she told them, “F*** this sh**, I’m outta here!” (I’m paraphrasing. She never cussed.) And she moved to Washington DC and got a job with the Feds.
Later she met my dad who was a university professor and from lines of working professionals and landowning farmers. Maybe that explains why I so easily see both sides of things. The working poor, and the educated, privileged middle class. Don’t so much sympathize with the ruling rich though.
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All the railroads are cutting back services now in expectation of a strike. Some have stopped unit train shipments (100 to 115 cars). These carry bulk foods, coal, ethanol, and many other unnecessary luxuries.
Norfolk Southern will close gates to all intermodal traffic noon Wednesday Sept. 14. That would be the containers that are taken off trains and put on trucks to bring you all your stuffs. Most of other carriers have stopped all hazmat shipping and curtailed other services. Canadian Pacific says they’re not changing anything in Canada because it’s not their problem, but they’ll embargo anything coming into the U.S.
This is good. This will give the hoodlums a more safe environment to spray paint all the train cars without having to worry if the train starts moving.
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When they shut off the gas and electric you will need the bike lanes.
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/04/28/pete-buttigieg-u-s-shouldnt-proud-learn-communist-china-infrastructure/
Pete Buttigieg: U.S. Shouldn’t Be ‘Too Proud’ to Learn from Communist China on Infrastructure
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/04/28/pete-buttigieg-u-s-shouldnt-proud-learn-communist-china-infrastructure/
Pete Buttigieg: U.S. Shouldn’t Be ‘Too Proud’ to Learn from Communist China on Infrastructure
Butt Jizz is just like his communist academic father. Yep, praising a communist regime that oh, BTW Petey, thinks homosexuals are inferior and a disgrace to society.
Dumbass.
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even a blind squirrel
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even a blind squirrel
Except there isn't a pair of nuts in the entire democrat party!
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/04/28/pete-buttigieg-u-s-shouldnt-proud-learn-communist-china-infrastructure/
Pete Buttigieg: U.S. Shouldn’t Be ‘Too Proud’ to Learn from Communist China on Infrastructure
These people need to be in front of a firing squad.
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What a conundrum for crazy uncle Joe. Does he side with the Union and throw all his other supporters under the bus? Or tell the union to screw themselves.
Either way, you and I are screwed. I don’t know if I can afford any more of Biden’s ”wins”.
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Strike averted. Trains woke me up at 4 this morning.
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Strike averted. Trains woke me up at 4 this morning.
I just woke up and only read one article and it was CNN so there’s that, but it says an agreement was reached about 3 hours ago between the railroads and union leaders with Biden taking credit and CNN giving it to him when all he did was provide the conference room and coffee all night.
But the rank and file need to agree to it and as far as I know they have not yet. But I slept late and just woke up so maybe I missed something.
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I just woke up and only read one article and it was CNN so there’s that, but it says an agreement was reached about 3 hours ago between the railroads and union leaders with Biden taking credit and CNN giving it to him when all he did was provide the conference room and coffee all night.
But the rank and file need to agree to it and as far as I know they have not yet. But I slept late and just woke up so maybe I missed something.
Maybe a coincidence. Or maybe I just slept really hard the past few nights.
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Maybe a coincidence. Or maybe I just slept really hard the past few nights.
If you’re going by just hearing trains that might not be a good indicator. Not all trains have been stopped, and I kind of doubt the railroads immediately lifted the curtailments. I’m busy with something urgent and unrelated so can’t look into it right now.
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If you’re going by just hearing trains that might not be a good indicator. Not all trains have been stopped, and I kind of doubt the railroads immediately lifted the curtailments. I’m busy with something urgent and unrelated so can’t look into it right now.
Possible, but I can set my clock to these trains. I usually shut my window when they wake me up around 4, and for 2 days I didn't have to do it and there was no maintenance being done on the tracks. Whenever unions are involved I usually think some sort of shenanigans are in play.