PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: President in Exile YOLT on April 22, 2016, 07:44:14 PM
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There are 55.3 million Latinos in America, nearly triple the 1980 population, and those under 18 years old are the largest group, a demographic fact likely to influence the future of the country, according to Census figures.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/american-future-55-million-latinos-in-u.s.-one-third-under-18/article/2589272
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Take note, GOP.
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Latinos want the same thing as everyone else who has ever come here and everyone who ever will (excepting Jihadis). A shot at the American Dream - a chance to lift themselves up, to have a better life and to give their kids an even better one.
Our job as conservatives is to explain why our way of doing things will better serve their long term goals.
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Latinos want the same thing as everyone else who has ever come here and everyone who ever will (excepting Jihadis). A shot at the American Dream - a chance to lift themselves up, to have a better life and to give their kids an even better one.
Our job as conservatives is to explain why our way of doing things will better serve their long term goals.
Right, like come through Ellis Island like my mother and my wife's parents did, sponsored with financial support.
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Take note, GOP.
Yeah, start pandering. How pathetic.
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Right, like come through Ellis Island like my mother and my wife's parents did, sponsored with financial support.
In other words, do it legally.
Concur.
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When no one wants to come here any more, when the idiots we vote for have made it so that almost anywhere else is preferable, then we are in serious trouble. When we have someone wanting to build walls to keep people IN, it is over.
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Take note, GOP.
Pander warning?
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Latinos want the same thing as everyone else who has ever come here and everyone who ever will (excepting Jihadis). A shot at the American Dream - a chance to lift themselves up, to have a better life and to give their kids an even better one.
Our job as conservatives is to explain why our way of doing things will better serve their long term goals.
That's becoming tougher and tougher in the sound bite, 140 character age.
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That's becoming tougher and tougher in the sound bite, 140 character age.
Yes. It is a hard sell. Sometimes the truth is.
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Whatever. Would folks from 100 years ago recognize the country now? The only constant is change. Can't be worrying about what they might, or might not recognize in 40 years. There is a remote chance I will still be here then, so I'll remind them.
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Whatever. Would folks from 100 years ago recognize the country now? The only constant is change. Can't be worrying about what they might, or might not recognize in 40 years. There is a remote chance I will still be here then, so I'll remind them.
I guess the bottom line is, what kind of country do you want for your grandchildren, and what will you do to see it thru.
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Whatever. Would folks from 100 years ago recognize the country now? The only constant is change. Can't be worrying about what they might, or might not recognize in 40 years. There is a remote chance I will still be here then, so I'll remind them.
That's a pretty bad generalization. When you take away the basic reasons people WANT to come here, then that's not just change that is extreme decline. You're terribly wrong.
There is an assault on our basic natural rights guaranteed by the Constitution which is being largely ignored by the courts. If the Constitution doesn't matter anymore we are done.
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Yeah, start pandering. How pathetic.
I prefer to call it "caring". Those Latinos are fully American in a single generation. They're just a little more brown than you're used to. The GOP can either get a clue or don't, but they do the latter at their own peril.
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I prefer to call it "caring". Those Latinos are fully American in a single generation. They're just a little more brown than you're used to. The GOP can either get a clue or don't, but they do the latter at their own peril.
What the eff does that mean? Your party only ran only old white folks. Which party gave options of "brown" and "black" heritage to their primary voters. Using the tired, stupid, inaccurate rhetoric for the democrat party to make your point speaks volumes.
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I prefer to call it "caring".
By the way, why to you (or anyone for that matter) give a shit whether "the government" cares? I don't think its the governments job to help build your self esteem. How about minimizing government intrusion in your life so you can more freely pursue the thinks that make you happy?
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By the way, why to you (or anyone for that matter) give a shit whether "the government" cares? I don't think its the governments job to help build your self esteem. How about minimizing government intrusion in your life so you can more freely pursue the thinks that make you happy?
Last I checked, the GOP is not "the government". But at least you won the argument we weren't having.
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What the eff does that mean? Your party only ran only old white folks. Which party gave options of "brown" and "black" heritage to their primary voters. Using the tired, stupid, inaccurate rhetoric for the democrat party to make your point speaks volumes.
It means Republican candidates generally do poorly with Latinos, and they should try to figure that out before the demographics become insurmountable.
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Last I checked, the GOP is not "the government". But at least you won the argument we weren't having.
Ah... The inane strategy... Ok let me clarify/repeat:
By the way, why to you (or anyone for that matter) give a shit whether a political party "cares"? I don't think it's a political party's job to help build your self esteem. How about voting for a candidate that believes in minimizing government intrusion in your life so you can more freely pursue the things that make you happy?
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Whatever. Would folks from 100 years ago recognize the country now? The only constant is change. Can't be worrying about what they might, or might not recognize in 40 years. There is a remote chance I will still be here then, so I'll remind them.
people from 100 years ago would go "WHAT THE FUCCCCKKKKKK???!!! Take me BACK!"
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I prefer to call it "caring". Those Latinos are fully American in a single generation. They're just a little more brown than you're used to. The GOP can either get a clue or don't, but they do the latter at their own peril.
A little more brown, they speak a different language, and are financially dependent on the government- in fact add to the taxpayer's burden by requiring bi-lingual everything. Win-win....for government, and unrestrained third-world migration to a country that already has more eligible workers than jobs.
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Ah... The inane strategy... Ok let me clarify/repeat:
By the way, why to you (or anyone for that matter) give a shit whether a political party "cares"? I don't think it's a political party's job to help build your self esteem. How about voting for a candidate that believes in minimizing government intrusion in your life so you can more freely pursue the things that make you happy?
Pardon my being blunt, but that's a stupid question. If a voter doesn't think a candidate gives a shit about them and their views, they're generally not going to vote for them.
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I prefer to call it "caring". Those Latinos are fully American in a single generation. They're just a little more brown than you're used to. The GOP can either get a clue or don't, but they do the latter at their own peril.
When you can't win on the facts, go directly to asinine racial attacks.
That's the democrats that have to rely on vote fraud because they can't win anymore.
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When you can't win on the facts, go directly to asinine racial attacks.
That's the democrats that have to rely on vote fraud because they can't win anymore.
Please reference the title of this thread.
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people from 100 years ago would go "WHAT THE FUCCCCKKKKKK???!!! Take me BACK!"
Really? Would you rather live in 1916 or now? 1916 would be fun to visit for a couple of weeks, but if I had to stay, I'd probably shoot myself.
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Please reference the title of this thread.
Why? So you won't be called for your bigotry?
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Why? So you won't be called for your bigotry?
So you don't look like an idiot. Here is a hint. Being American has nothing to do with what you look like.
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A little more brown, they speak a different language, and are financially dependent on the government- in fact add to the taxpayer's burden by requiring bi-lingual everything. Win-win....for government, and unrestrained third-world migration to a country that already has more eligible workers than jobs.
This phobia of third world migration is partly why conservatives struggle. Yes, they speak a different language when they show up. Some of my relatives spoke German and French. Two generations in and we barely even know how to say hello in French, or German. The same appears to be happening with the Latinos.
The problem isn't that there are lots of immigrants, the problem is immigrants have a hard time identifying with conservatives and threads like this illustrate why. Not a lot of love for them. Just talk of walls and bitching about them.
The conservatives, whether it be GOP or some other pure group, will have a near impossible time of it because they can't even win over majorities of white and black voters that were born here and have been here for generations. It's too bad conservatives can't get it together because the Latinos, particularly Mexicans could be a much easier sell then many other immigrants. They very much respect the self reliant cowboy ethic, they are great entrepreneurs, they are largely all very Christian and they have a long history with firearms ownership.
Unfortunately, many view them as untrustworthy, lazy parasites and that image couldn't be further from the truth. Clearly they are trust worthy because they make up more and more of work crews everywhere. They show up on time, work all day and don't steal any worse than any other group. Clearly they're not lazy, you see groups of them hanging around in parking lots of Home Depot looking for work. Do you see whites and blacks doing that?? No! They also circulate the neighborhoods leaving business cards for landscape and other manual labor services.
Are they really parasites? They do take advantage of social services whenever they are eligible and they pay taxes. Long term unemployment is not as socially accepted for them as much as it is for whites and blacks. They have community pressure to get a job and get to work. They do have a lot of babies, just like their Bible and their Pope tell them to and these babies can be a drain on social programs. Large families are a cultural norm for Latinos and this only changes with time and education, particularly education of the women.
I personally think the GOP is blowing it big time by not courting the new Latino population, but how can they when their base is so hard on them and all about building walls?
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This phobia of third world migration is partly why conservatives struggle. Yes, they speak a different language when they show up. Some of my relatives spoke German and French. Two generations in and we barely even know how to say hello in French, or German. The same appears to be happening with the Latinos.
The problem isn't that there are lots of immigrants, the problem is immigrants have a hard time identifying with conservatives and threads like this illustrate why. Not a lot of love for them. Just talk of walls and bitching about them.
The conservatives, whether it be GOP or some other pure group, will have a near impossible time of it because they can't even win over majorities of white and black voters that were born here and have been here for generations. It's too bad conservatives can't get it together because the Latinos, particularly Mexicans could be a much easier sell then many other immigrants. They very much respect the self reliant cowboy ethic, they are great entrepreneurs, they are largely all very Christian and they have a long history with firearms ownership.
Unfortunately, many view them as untrustworthy, lazy parasites and that image couldn't be further from the truth. Clearly they are trust worthy because they make up more and more of work crews everywhere. They show up on time, work all day and don't steal any worse than any other group. Clearly they're not lazy, you see groups of them hanging around in parking lots of Home Depot looking for work. Do you see whites and blacks doing that?? No! They also circulate the neighborhoods leaving business cards for landscape and other manual labor services.
Are they really parasites? They do take advantage of social services whenever they are eligible and they pay taxes. Long term unemployment is not as socially accepted for them as much as it is for whites and blacks. They have community pressure to get a job and get to work. They do have a lot of babies, just like their Bible and their Pope tell them to and these babies can be a drain on social programs. Large families are a cultural norm for Latinos and this only changes with time and education, particularly education of the women.
I personally think the GOP is blowing it big time by not courting the new Latino population, but how can they when their base is so hard on them and all about building walls?
Whether you are intentionally playing the word games of the left, or unintentionally because it has been so ingrained by the left and its complaint media, you are facilitating the misunderstanding of conservatives.
Conservatives welcome immigrants. Conservatives know that they are the lifeblood of the country. But we also know that immigrants need to benefit the United States, and that we are not obligated to become the welfare state for the globe.
What we despise is illegal immigration, a word that you conveniently omit from your analysis. Why is that?
Illegal immigrants' first act when coming to the US is to break our laws. That doesn't bode well for remaining lawful once they are in country.
Conservatives also don't buy into the WSJ/Chamber of Commerce narrative that illegals are needed because they are doing jobs Americans won't do. Bullshit. If we need temporary agricultural workers, set up a LEGAL guest worker program to handle that.
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So you don't look like an idiot. Here is a hint. Being American has nothing to do with what you look like.
So you won't think that playing the race card automatically gets you the win, liberals tend to be far more racist than conservatives, far less compassionate, and far less interested in the welfare of anyone that they can't gain something from.
Racism IS the history of the democrats, and replacing the father of the Democrat party - Andrew Jackson - on the $20 bill, with a fire brand, republican, gun toting, black women, who was self-sufficient, and valued freedom far more than servitude is a special brand of karma for you race baiting, whiners.
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What we despise is illegal immigration, a word that you conveniently omit from your analysis. Why is that?
Illegal immigrants' first act when coming to the US is to break our laws. That doesn't bode well for remaining lawful once they are in country.
Conservatives also don't buy into the WSJ/Chamber of Commerce narrative that illegals are needed because they are doing jobs Americans won't do. Bullshit. If we need temporary agricultural workers, set up a LEGAL guest worker program to handle that.
Also, without vetting ILLEGAL immigrants we get criminals, and terrorist in the mix. They need to be examined so we don't just get moochers, and murderers. That's what Ellis Island was for. The left either doesn't get it, or purposely doesn't want to.
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So you won't think that playing the race card automatically gets you the win, liberals tend to be far more racist than conservatives, far less compassionate, and far less interested in the welfare of anyone that they can't gain something from.
Racism IS the history of the democrats, and replacing the father of the Democrat party - Andrew Jackson - on the $20 bill, with a fire brand, republican, gun toting, black women, who was self-sufficient, and valued freedom far more than servitude is a special brand of karma for you race baiting, whiners.
That's the FC I remember. Might as well just post under that name.
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That's the FC I remember. Might as well just post under that name.
FC posts here under his own name. That style of posting doesn't match FC's at all. Maybe be more aware? :)
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What we despise is illegal immigration, a word that you conveniently omit from your analysis. Why is that?
Let me repeat and emphasize this point:
what we despise is illegal immigration, a word that you conveniently omit from your analysis. Why is that?
What we despise is illegal immigration, a word that you conveniently omit from your analysis. Why is that?
What we despise is illegal immigration, a word that you conveniently omit from your analysis. Why is that?
It is sort of like liberals keep saying conservatives "deny" climate change, when they know damn well it is the "Man Made" part we object to.
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FC posts here under his own name. That style of posting doesn't match FC's at all. Maybe be more aware? :)
He posts under both names. And that is his style, extra commas and all.
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Let me repeat and emphasize this point:
what we despise is illegal immigration, a word that you conveniently omit from your analysis. Why is that?
What we despise is illegal immigration, a word that you conveniently omit from your analysis. Why is that?
What we despise is illegal immigration, a word that you conveniently omit from your analysis. Why is that?
It is sort of like liberals keep saying conservatives "deny" climate change, when they know damn well it is the "Man Made" part we object to.
If we halted all immigration right now, it wouldn't change anything about the story in the OP.
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If we halted all immigration right now, it wouldn't change anything about the story in the OP.
Again with conflating immigration with illegal immigration
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Pardon my being blunt, but that's a stupid question. If a voter doesn't think a candidate gives a shit about them and their views, they're generally not going to vote for them.
I'm sure it does sound stupid to you, and all the rest of you leftists who look to government for everything. Let me give you a hint.... they don't give a shit about you....no matter what they say, you are irrelevant to a politician. The only thing they care about is your vote and your money in the form of taxes and campaign contributions. Period... end of story.
I don't want politicians and bureaucrats building up my self-esteem, or validating my views. I want them to do the jobs we elected them to do, nothing more, nothing less. Ideologically, I want them doing far, far less for me (and everyone else) than they feel they need to do today. I want them out of my life, not hindering my liberty.
No doubt that is very hard for you to comprehend....but make no mistake...none of them care about you personally, or anyone else for that matter. When they say anything to the contrary...they are lying.
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Again with conflating immigration with illegal immigration
It's reflexive for the left. There is no difference in their minds.
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I'm sure it does sound stupid to you, and all the rest of you leftists who look to government for everything. Let me give you a hint.... they don't give a shit about you....no matter what they say, you are irrelevant to a politician. The only thing they care about is your vote and your money in the form of taxes and campaign contributions. Period... end of story.
I don't want politicians and bureaucrats to build up my self-esteem, or validate my views. I want them to do the jobs we elected them to do, nothing more, nothing less. Ideologically, I want them doing far, far less for me (and everyone else) than they feel they need to do today. I want them out of my life, not hindering my liberty.
No doubt that is very hard for you to comprehend....but make no mistake...none of them care about you personally, or anyone else for that matter. When they say anything to the contrary...they are lying.
Yet the low-information voters eat that shit up, and vote for the biggest pandered in the field.
The party of JFK is long, long gone.
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That's the FC I remember. Might as well just post under that name.
Why is it that every time the point goes against you your instant reaction is to change the topic?
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It's reflexive for the left. There is no difference in their minds.
It is a purposeful lie, like "reasonable, common sense" gun control laws. It makes us look like unreasonable xenophobes. Put an "Ellis Island" at the southern border, make the Mexicans apply for entry, and then have a process to make sure they are not criminals, gang members or terrorists. If we need temporary migrant workers, develop a LEGAL guest worker program.
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It is a purposeful lie, like "reasonable, common sense" gun control laws. It makes us look like unreasonable xenophobes. Put an "Ellis Island" at the southern border, make the Mexicans apply for entry, and then have a process to make sure they are not criminals, gang members or terrorists. If we need temporary migrant workers, develop a LEGAL guest worker program.
"It ATTEMPTS to make us look like unreasonable xenophobes."
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Again with conflating immigration with illegal immigration
That was the point. Stopping every bit of legal or illegal immigration right this moment changes nothing about the point of the article, which is about current demographics.
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I'm sure it does sound stupid to you, and all the rest of you leftists who look to government for everything. Let me give you a hint.... they don't give a shit about you....no matter what they say, you are irrelevant to a politician. The only thing they care about is your vote and your money in the form of taxes and campaign contributions. Period... end of story.
I don't want politicians and bureaucrats building up my self-esteem, or validating my views. I want them to do the jobs we elected them to do, nothing more, nothing less. Ideologically, I want them doing far, far less for me (and everyone else) than they feel they need to do today. I want them out of my life, not hindering my liberty.
No doubt that is very hard for you to comprehend....but make no mistake...none of them care about you personally, or anyone else for that matter. When they say anything to the contrary...they are lying.
So you want a politician that cares about your desire for small government. Just as other voters may hope for a candidate that will care about some of their key views. Your claim that politicians don't care about any of it is only an argument for never voting, which is the wrong approach even if your point is accurate.
As I'm sure you know, I have no need for a candidate to stoke my personal ego. I do have need for a candidate to instill hope in me that they care about some of the issues I care about. This is the same evaluation everyone makes about a candidate.
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It is a purposeful lie, like "reasonable, common sense" gun control laws. It makes us look like unreasonable xenophobes. Put an "Ellis Island" at the southern border, make the Mexicans apply for entry, and then have a process to make sure they are not criminals, gang members or terrorists. If we need temporary migrant workers, develop a LEGAL guest worker program.
None of which would affect current demographics, which is what the article is about.
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Why is it that every time the point goes against you your instant reaction is to change the topic?
Following your lead, sir! Let's talk more about Andrew Jackson.
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None of which would affect current demographics, which is what the article is about.
Yes it would, as it would not allow the millions of ILLEGAL immigrants just coming across the border at will.
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Yes it would, as it would not allow the millions of ILLEGAL immigrants just coming across the border at will.
So if we build a wall tomorrow, that miraculously affects the current percentage of the US population that are Hispanic? No. Like I said previously, the GOP is going to have to find a way to court those voters.
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So if we build a wall tomorrow, that miraculously affects the current percentage of the US population that are Hispanic? No. Like I said previously, the GOP is going to have to find a way to court those voters.
Should illegal immigrants be allowed to vote in federal elections, in your view?
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So if we build a wall tomorrow, that miraculously affects the current percentage of the US population that are Hispanic? No. Like I said previously, the GOP is going to have to find a way to court those voters.
Deport the illegal ones. Stop the anchor baby policy.
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Should illegal immigrants be allowed to vote in federal elections, in your view?
No.
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Deport the illegal ones. Stop the anchor baby policy.
Closer. But again, more than 2/3 of current Hispanic millennials are US-born citizens. Unless you intend to retroactively revoke citizenship, the GOP still has a problem.
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Closer. But again, more than 2/3 of current Hispanic millennials are US-born citizens.
Whose illegal mothers dropped them on US soil.
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Whose illegal mothers dropped them on US soil.
That is not accurate as a summary statement.
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Closer. But again, more than 2/3 of current Hispanic millennials are US-born citizens. Unless you intend to retroactively revoke citizenship, the GOP still has a problem.
So you want the GOP to support the Free Shit Army? No thanks. I'd rather have another 1776.
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It is a purposeful lie, like "reasonable, common sense" gun control laws. It makes us look like unreasonable xenophobes. Put an "Ellis Island" at the southern border, make the Mexicans apply for entry, and then have a process to make sure they are not criminals, gang members or terrorists. If we need temporary migrant workers, develop a LEGAL guest worker program.
You may not actually like an "Ellis Island" today. In it's time, only about 2% of immigrants that showed up got turned back. All you had to do was not be sick and have your ten bucks. I guess that's like $220 or something like that in adjusted dollars. Those south of the border today would absolutely love this deal. Some of them are spending like $4000 to have a coyote sneak them in.
My brother imported his current wife from the Philippines. They got married, but it took two years just to get her here and then it has taken another four years to get her citizenship. I doubt Donald Trump had that much trouble. My brother and his wife would have loved Ellis Island!!
I have been a huge fan of work permits for people across the border. IMO, it basically solves the problem of illegal immigration. No goofy wall required. People from other countries can come here, pay a permit fee, pay taxes, get no social security or medicare benefits, would not be citizens, so they could not vote and would have to keep renewing the permit.
The workers would love it because they would be legal as long as their permit isn't expired, no dangerous and expensive entry to the country and as long as it is priced less than what the coyotes are charging, they would be saving money.
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I have been a huge fan of work permits for people across the border. IMO, it basically solves the problem of illegal immigration. No goofy wall required. People from other countries can come here, pay a permit fee, pay taxes, get no social security or medicare benefits, would not be citizens, so they could not vote and would have to keep renewing the permit.
The workers would love it because they would be legal as long as their permit isn't expired, no dangerous and expensive entry to the country and as long as it is priced less than what the coyotes are charging, they would be saving money.
I would like your plan, except that I have seen no indication that the current government has any incentive to enforce the expiration dates. Now if we could implement your plan while guaranteeing that holders of expired work visas would be expelled or possibly renew the visa, then I would be good with it.
But they should ONLY be able to get that Visa at the designated entry points. If they are already here illegally they are not able to get one unless they leave the country and re-enter legally.
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... and would have to keep renewing the permit.
Little Joe kind of beat me to it, but...
...and would have to keep renewing the permit - under penalty of what???
I'm fairly liberal on the topic of immigration, but the rub is enforcement if the rules are violated.
And if the rules are violated en masse, to be prepared to deport en masse. Which clearly no one is willing, or possibly able, to do.
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Little Joe kind of beat me to it, but...
...and would have to keep renewing the permit - under penalty of what???
I'm fairly liberal on the topic of immigration, but the rub is enforcement if the rules are violated.
And if the rules are violated en masse, to be prepared to deport en masse. Which clearly no one is willing, or possibly able, to do.
The "or what" would have to be deportation.
And since even I realize we can't begin to deport all of the illegals that are already here, I would say in the beginning we deport ALL of the violators of the new visas. In the beginning there wouldn't be that many, and if we show we are serious about the deportation, which would also make them ineligible to return, then the number of violators would not mushroom.
That leaves the existing illegals.
We gradually (but not too slowly) begin making it less and less inviting here. Crack down on people that hire illegal yard men and maids. Eliminate the anchor baby mechanism for any one born after a certain date.
Also, I see road signs all the time that say "fines doubled when workers present". Borrow from that idea and say "penalties doubled when perp is here illegally", or just deport the illegals that commit most crimes.
So, make the visa easy to get, easy to track and enforce the rules. And make it less desirable to be here illegally.
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I'm fairly liberal
There, fixed it for you. :)
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Little Joe kind of beat me to it, but...
...and would have to keep renewing the permit - under penalty of what???
I'm fairly liberal on the topic of immigration, but the rub is enforcement if the rules are violated.
And if the rules are violated en masse, to be prepared to deport en masse. Which clearly no one is willing, or possibly able, to do.
Under penalty of being turned loose.
Any one of us coming back into the country with a passport gets the third degree. Sneak over the border in the dark, you get the red carpet.
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So you want the GOP to support the Free Shit Army? No thanks. I'd rather have another 1776.
Aaaand that's why the GOP sucks with Latinos. "All they want is free shit, so fuck 'em!"
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Aaaand that's why the GOP sucks with Latinos. "All they want is free shit, so fuck 'em!"
I always enjoy liberals lying about the GOP's positions.
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I always enjoy liberals lying about the GOP's positions.
Its almost as fun as having them tell us who the GOP should nominate for president.
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I always enjoy liberals lying about the GOP's positions.
The ILLEGAL ones want free shit. That's mostly why they come here. If they can get an under the table job, and avoid taxes, all the better.
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To be honest, I think even the illegal Mexicans are willing to work hard and cheap and live frugally to support their families, and even send money back home to Mexico. And yes, they accept any and all free stuff and government assistance. And yes, they are taking jobs that poor Americans don't want, but would be willing to take if they had to if so much government assistance wasn't available such that working hard wouldn't make sense.
But as Asechrest said, after a generation or two they become "Americanized" and begin to expect that free stuff and government assistance. And they will vote D to keep it coming.
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Pardon my being blunt, but that's a stupid question. If a voter doesn't think a candidate gives a shit about them and their views, they're generally not going to vote for them.
If that's true, I'm an anomaly. I don't care if Hildebeast, Trump, Bernie, Cruz, et al give two shits about me. What I do care about is that they have a firm grip on understanding the government's job isn't to take care of people but rather get out of the way for people to take care of themselves.
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I always enjoy liberals lying about the GOP's positions.
I always enjoy Republicans who blame their poor support on people wanting free stuff.
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If that's true, I'm an anomaly. I don't care if Hildebeast, Trump, Bernie, Cruz, et al give two shits about me. What I do care about is that they have a firm grip on understanding the government's job isn't to take care of people but rather get out of the way for people to take care of themselves.
Right. Someone that cares about your desire for small government. Let's not be silly. People don't vote for a candidate who doesn't care about them or anything they stand for or desire.
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Right. Someone that cares about your desire for small government. Let's not be silly. People don't vote for a candidate who doesn't care about them or anything they stand for or desire.
You just moved the goal posts. Not a viable debate tactic.
My desire doesn't mean they give a shit about me but something much larger, the nation.
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You just moved the goal posts. Not a viable debate tactic.
My desire doesn't mean they give a shit about me but something much larger, the nation.
You imagined the goalposts. And on the contrary; a candidate who believes in small government that gets out of your way and leaves you free to live the American dream is someone who cares deeply about the people of the nation. That includes you, I assume. Like I said, let's not be silly.
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I always enjoy Republicans who blame their poor support on people wanting free stuff.
swing and miss.
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Following your lead, sir! Let's talk more about Andrew Jackson.
You really do follow the progressive mantra. Every time you lose on points you attack, or change the topic. With the ocassional (very lame) silly joke thrown in to avoid facing the real truth.
Good job.
Pretty soon you can start crying and demanding safe space from other opinions.
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I always enjoy Republicans who blame their poor support on people wanting free stuff.
I've never enjoyed racist liberals, projecting their racist views onto the opposition party, but you do it a time.
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swing and miss.
The words are there for you to read. I called it in my head before it even happened.
- Article about Latino demographics is posted.
- I warn GOP to take note.
- Someone says all they want is free stuff and the GOP shouldn't pander to them.
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You really do follow the progressive mantra. Every time you lose on points you attack, or change the topic. With the ocassional (very lame) silly joke thrown in to avoid facing the real truth.
Good job.
Pretty soon you can start crying and demanding safe space from other opinions.
I need a safe space from your sockpuppet!
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I need a safe space from your sockpuppet!
Their you go. Another sparkling example of a losing argument turned into a joke to void the truth.
Good show, sport.
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Their you go. Another sparkling example of a losing argument turned into a joke to void the truth.
Good show, sport.
Now you're just hurting my feelers.
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Now you're just hurting my feelers.
Do you need a safe space and a counselor to help you with the drama you are experiencing?
Maybe you can write Hilary Clinton on a white board to make it all feel better.
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The words are there for you to read. I called it in my head before it even happened.
- Article about Latino demographics is posted.
- I warn GOP to take note.
- Someone says all they want is free stuff and the GOP shouldn't pander to them.
read what you wrote and see if you can find the fallacies...
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Do you need a safe space and a counselor to help you with the drama you are experiencing?
Maybe you can write Hilary Clinton on a white board to make it all feel better.
Please stop microagressing me. Since I self-identify as a bald eagle, I have a constitutional right not to be microagressed.
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read what you wrote and see if you can find the fallacies...
If you mean that I'm broadening one person's view to that of the GOP, conceded. However, based on the amount of times I've seen folks post a similar sentiment, I submit that the view is far more broad than a single person.
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Do you need a safe space and a counselor to help you with the drama you are experiencing?
Maybe you can write Hilary Clinton on a white board to make it all feel better.
White boards are no longer acceptable as they have been deemed to be microagressions. Nondescript erase board is proper :o
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To be honest, I think even the illegal Mexicans are willing to work hard and cheap and live frugally to support their families, and even send money back home to Mexico. And yes, they accept any and all free stuff and government assistance. And yes, they are taking jobs that poor Americans don't want, but would be willing to take if they had to if so much government assistance wasn't available such that working hard wouldn't make sense.
But as Asechrest said, after a generation or two they become "Americanized" and begin to expect that free stuff and government assistance. And they will vote D to keep it coming.
So how are the illegal immigrants different than the legal ones other than breaking the law to get here? In the end aren't they both "Americanized" and according to you, wont they both want free shit and vote Democrat?
Again, this is more of a failure of the conservatives then it is a failure of immigration law, or a moral failing of immigrants. By not engaging with immigrants and speaking right to them, why wouldn't they vote for the party that does? Immigrants from anywhere else in the world come from places where a strong federal government is the norm. Restrictions on things like guns and speech is the norm. In some of these other countries, getting free shit is the norm. It is the conservative point of view that is alien to them.
By ignoring immigrants and going on rants about closing borders to keep them from taking our resources and supposedly taking our jobs, conservatives alienate new immigrants, close off the opportunity for them to become new conservatives and completely ignore reality. The immigrants are here and will continue coming. The country needs them. Get ready for a new wave of Cubans and while everyone is always focused on Mexicans and now the threat of Syrians, over on the west coast Asians are coming in great numbers too. Some of them illegally too. It's just a reality.
Immigrants are what they are. Like I said, a missed opportunity on the part of conservatives. Get in there, speak their language, honor their cultures and explain to them why small federal government, low taxes, and the freedoms guaranteed to us under the constitution are important to them. Maybe if they can see a bigger picture, maybe they can see why just signing up for free shit isn't the way to go. A tough sale is better than no sale.
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Yep, let's just bend over and take it up the ass.
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I live in a county that is 50 percent, and probably by this time, 52 or 53 percent, Hispanic. In that mix are many illegals, as is the case across the country. I campaigned for Romney alongside many Hispanics, and when standing at a busy intersection holding signs for him, the most enthusiastic honking and waving came from Hispanics.
My county OVERWHELMING elects Republican candidates every election (usually a comfortable 70-80 percent), and because of the large Hispanic population, our ballots are in Spanish, so I'll presume they know how they're voting.
So what is wrong with the Hispanics in my county that they're not rejecting the Republican party like the rest of the country, assuming this thread's presumptions are true?
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I live in a county that is 50 percent, and probably by this time, 52 or 53 percent, Hispanic. In that mix are many illegals, as is the case across the country. I campaigned for Romney alongside many Hispanics, and when standing at a busy intersection holding signs for him, the most enthusiastic honking and waving came from Hispanics.
My county OVERWHELMING elects Republican candidates every election (usually a comfortable 70-80 percent), and because of the large Hispanic population, our ballots are in Spanish, so I'll presume they know how they're voting.
So what is wrong with the Hispanics in my county that they're not rejecting the Republican party like the rest of the country, assuming this thread's presumptions are true?
What is the Hispanic voter turnout percentage in your county?
Also, the dirty little secret here is that many Hispanic voters truly can relate to conservative ideals, even those who reliably vote Democrat. In general they are a strong-willed, independent people who believe in faith and family and appreciate the dignity of a hard days work. It's just that the GOP, especially on the national level, does such a piss-poor job of relating to them.
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What is the Hispanic voter turnout percentage in your county?
Also, the dirty little secret here is that many Hispanic voters truly can relate to conservative ideals, even those who reliably vote Democrat. In general they are a strong-willed, independent people who believe in faith and family and appreciate the dignity of a hard days work. It's just that the GOP, especially on the national level, does such a piss-poor job of relating to them.
I can understand why you think that... assuming you believe the, um, distortion of reality spewing from main-stream news outlets.
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I can understand why you think that... assuming you believe the, um, distortion of reality spewing from main-stream news outlets.
That is not what I think. That is what many Latinos think, including most I know personally. But I'd love to hear your view of it.
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Living in Florida you meet and live among a huge, (Yugge for trumpsters), number of people from Puerto Rico. They tend to fall into a couple of groups, among them, hard workers, and family types, not so hard workers, and making lots of babies they don't bother to stick around and raise, and the rest in the middle.
The hardest working ones tend towards the GOP, while the not so hard working tend to live off of benefits, and complain a lot, while voting, when they're not too lazy to go get a voting ID, for the democrat.
How the middle ground votes is how the Florida elections often come out. If a lot of people who vote instead of produce, show up and vote, then the democrat wins, like in 2008 and 2012. If the hard working people go vote, and the layabouts don't bother, then the republicans win.
Claiming to have a lock on it either way is not really true. The lazy ones will tip a close election either by showing up, or staying home. A lot of the lazy types don;t get too excited about the hilary thing, so it may be hard to get them to drag their lazy asses out of bed to get them to the booth, if they did even bother to register.