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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on December 07, 2016, 08:11:34 AM
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My uncle was on a U. S. Navy ship that day. No one in the family knew where, though. It was some time until they could determine he was not at Pearl Harbor.
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There are many theories on Pearl Harbor. Some believe we knew it was coming, and allowed it to happen as a way to get us into the war, as we were still an isolationist nation. We had been restricting the flow of natural resources to Japan for some time, and would not relent. Should Japan have attacked us? NO, it was a stupid move, by a warrior led coupe. The people that lost were the 2,000 sailors, soldier, Marines, and civilians that died in the attack, and subsequently those that died during the war, worldwide.
The Japanese living in the U.S., aliens, and U.S. citizens were rounded up, and put in internment camps. What many either forget or don't realize is that Germans, and Italians were also put in internment camps. My family was spared, I guess, because even my Grandparents were born here in the U.S. so, my Dad, 19 years old in 1941 was allowed to stay in Dental School become a Private in the U.S. Army, and then a 2nd Lieutenant upon graduation where he spent the next four or five years as an Army officer rising to the rank of Captain. Others were not so lucky, spending the entire war in camps.
Pearl Harbor was a tragedy, and I feel for those that died, and their families. They were true heroes, and the greatest generation.
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So Obama makes it a point to go to Hiroshima, but he skips Pearl Harbor.
44 days to go.
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So Obama makes it a point to go to Hiroshima, but he skips Pearl Harbor.
44 days to go.
Well ... Obama was born in Honolulu and spent years living in Hawaii.
Obama is scheduled to visit Pearl Harbor on December 27 (where he will meet Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe):
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/12/05/japanese-prime-minister-abe-to-visit-pearl-harbor-with-obama.html (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/12/05/japanese-prime-minister-abe-to-visit-pearl-harbor-with-obama.html)
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Well ... Obama was born in Honolulu and spent years living in Hawaii.
Obama is scheduled to visit Pearl Harbor on December 27 (where he will meet Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe):
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/12/05/japanese-prime-minister-abe-to-visit-pearl-harbor-with-obama.html (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/12/05/japanese-prime-minister-abe-to-visit-pearl-harbor-with-obama.html)
I'm sure the remaining veterans who took the time to attend, many knowing this will be their last visit, will take solace knowing the POTUS can't recognize the significance of the 75th anniversary of the attack of Pearl Harbor and it's significance. ::)
44 days to go.
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I'm sure the remaining veterans who took the time to attend, many knowing this will be their last visit, will take solace knowing the POTUS can't recognize the significance of the 75th anniversary of the attack of Pearl Harbor and it's significance. ::)
44 days to go.
President Obama visited Pearl Harbor in 2011 on the 70th anniversary of the attack:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/30/politics/obama-pearl-harbor/ (http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/30/politics/obama-pearl-harbor/)
Senator Obama had also visited Pearl Harbor in August 2008, months before his election to president:
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2008/Aug/15/ln/hawaii808150364.html (http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2008/Aug/15/ln/hawaii808150364.html)
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President Obama visited Pearl Harbor in 2011 on the 70th anniversary of the attack:
Senator Obama had also visited Pearl Harbor in August 2008, months before his election to president:
Ah, he went there twice, during an election campaign. OK then.
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Ah, he went there twice, during an election campaign. OK then.
Once during a vacation. Once after he was in office. Hawaii is hardly a swing state with a lot of electoral votes in any election.
The complaint was that Obama visited Hiroshima but hadn't visited Pearl Harbor to honor the sacrifice of those who died. Complaint had no factual basis and therefore invalid.
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Once during a vacation. Once after he was in office. Hawaii is hardly a swing state with a lot of electoral votes in any election.
The complaint was that Obama visited Hiroshima but hadn't visited Pearl Harbor to honor the sacrifice of those who died. Complaint had no factual basis and therefore invalid.
Nice twist again Logajan. I made a comment of visiting Japan this year, but skipping the 75th anniversary of the attack. Your feeble attempt to twist my words by trying to claim I said he never went there, ever.
Pathetic.
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President Obama visited Pearl Harbor in 2011 on the 70th anniversary of the attack:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/30/politics/obama-pearl-harbor/ (http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/30/politics/obama-pearl-harbor/)
Senator Obama had also visited Pearl Harbor in August 2008, months before his election to president:
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2008/Aug/15/ln/hawaii808150364.html (http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2008/Aug/15/ln/hawaii808150364.html)
whoop dee doo. It was the 75th anniversary this year.
otoh - I'm glad he avoided the taxpayer cost of traveling to HI and let everyone concentrate on honoring the victims and survivors of the attack without the hassle of dealing with the Secret Service, etc. (Maybe he learned from the disaster caused by Bill Clinton at the 50th anniversary of D-Day).
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(Maybe he learned from the disaster caused by Bill Clinton at the 50th anniversary of D-Day).
You mean making a cross out of stones on the beach?
"At the end of the day in Normandy, Bill Clinton walked down to the beach with three veterans of Omaha Beach -- Joe Dawson, Walter Ehlers and Robert Slaughter. The tableau was appealing: the young President enjoying the company of the aging heroes. But suddenly the President's aides began tugging the veterans away, mid-conversation, so that Clinton could walk off at sunset down the beach in his dress shoes and have a preplanned meditative moment, with the bluffs on one side and the sea dotted with warships on the other.
"Originally, the White House told photographers they were considering a "Where Have All the Flowers Gone?" moment, where Clinton and children would throw flowers into the sea. But they settled on "a moment of solitude." The President knew he was supposed to look reflective for the three cameras and dozen photographers who joined him.
"But after looking soulfully out at the ocean for a moment, he seemed at a loss for what to do next, according to a photographer on the scene, who was scared that Clinton was about to mouth the words "What do I do now?" But then, spying the stones at his feet left by his advance staff to show him where his camera mark was, the President crouched down and began to arrange the stones into a cross.
"He gathered more stones to finish the cross, and then bent his head as though in silent prayer. The White House aides were ecstatic. "Wasn't it great?" they asked reporters."
http://www.weeklystandard.com/boy-that-clinton-white-house-knew-how-to-produce-staged-events/article/17786
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Clinton and his people were such D bags. Thank God he wasn't elected again through Hillary.
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You mean making a cross out of stones on the beach?
No. bumping veterans from hotels. Veterans that had actually seen combat on D-Day were going back for the 50th anniversary ceremonies and had made their reservations months if not years earlier.
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No. bumping veterans from hotels. Veterans that had actually seen combat on D-Day were going back for the 50th anniversary ceremonies and had made their reservations months if not years earlier.
Classic Clinton.
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Clinton and his people were such D bags. Thank God he wasn't elected again through Hillary.
And that's what it really would have been, Bill getting another bite at the apple.
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And that's what it really would have been, Bill getting another bite at the apple.
well, that's an euphemism I had not heard...
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And that's what it really would have been, Bill getting another bite at the apple.
He must really be steaming that Hillary's guys wouldn't listen to him during the campaign.
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He must really be steaming that Hillary's guys wouldn't listen to him during the campaign.
They are banking on Chelsea getting at seat in Congress in New York. They (the Foundation, I bet) bought her the house next to theirs in Chappaqua so she'd have residency there. Chelsea and her husband Marc Mezvinsky, an investment banker on Wall St. (son of activist Marjorie Margolies Mezvinsky, and convicted felon Edward Mezvinsky) currently live in.......wait for it.......Manhattan.
If Chelsea gets nominated by the Dem Party, and she will, she will win that seat, and Bill and Hillary will have some influence again. :(
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Chelsea 2028
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Chelsea 2028
I don't think she has the chops to run for President. I think she'd be content as a House Member for life. I wouldn't vote for her for Dog Catcher. She has even less experience than Hillary, and Hillary's experience was all BAD. In fact she has NO experience accept receiving a $600K bribe from NBC, which is just another propaganda arm of the Clintons, and the Democrats. The owner of NBC is Comcast run by Obama friend, bundler, and fundraiser, CEO Brian Roberts.
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/12/08/never-took-knee-us-admiral-calls-out-colin-kaepernick-for-anthem-protest.html
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Sounds like a good candidate for Chairman of the Joint Chiefs.
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Chelsea 2028
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w464/flybywire1959/1096_zps7vf6pyix.gif)
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whoop dee doo. It was the 75th anniversary this year.
otoh - I'm glad he avoided the taxpayer cost of traveling to HI and let everyone concentrate on honoring the victims and survivors of the attack without the hassle of dealing with the Secret Service, etc. (Maybe he learned from the disaster caused by Bill Clinton at the 50th anniversary of D-Day).
Exactly.
Had President Obama gone to Pearl Harbor, our conspiracy theorist would be complaining that he went and what a gross and negligent waste of taxpayer money the trip was.
Sent from my iPhone . Squirrel!!
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Exactly.
Had President Obama gone to Pearl Harbor, our conspiracy theorist would be complaining that he went and what a gross and negligent waste of taxpayer money the trip was.
Sent from my iPhone . Squirrel!!
At least we won't have a President Trump traveling the world and apologizing for perceived wrongs of the United States. And you won't see him bowing to the heads of states of other countries.
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At least we won't have a President Trump traveling the world and apologizing for perceived wrongs of the United States. And you won't see him bowing to the heads of states of other countries.
Silly me, here I thought heads of state should show signs of respect to one another. Of course, I'm sure you have another social media meme in the waiting to prove your point.
The derangement is strong with you. Classic case of ODS.
Sent from my iPhone . Squirrel!!
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At least we won't have a President Trump traveling the world and apologizing for perceived wrongs of the United States. And you won't see him bowing to the heads of states of other countries.
Lucifer's Tarot Card Readings - Walkins welcome
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Silly me, here I thought heads of state should show signs of respect to one another. Of course, I'm sure you have another social media meme in the waiting to prove your point.
The derangement is strong with you. Classic case of ODS.
Sent from my iPhone . Squirrel!!
So what other US Presidents have bowed to the likes of the Saudis? Care to back up your inane bullshit?
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Silly me, here I thought heads of state should show signs of respect to one
Respect is fine, subservience is NOT. Obama got owned by Russia, China, Iran, Cuba, Iraq, and Afghanistan as well as other enemies. We are no longer respected on the world stage. Trump will change that.
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Respect is fine, subservience is NOT. Obama got owned by Russia, China, Iran, Cuba, Iraq, and Afghanistan as well as other enemies. We are no longer FEARED on the world stage. Trump will change that.
Fixed that for you.
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Traditionally, American presidents do not bow to kings. The tradition stems from the American Constitution, which states that all men are created equal.
The uproar about Obama largely stems from his deep bows to Saudi kings. You probably recall a date in 2001 when 19 Saudis attacked the United States horrifically.
The only people expected to bow to a king or queen are subjects of that king or queen.
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"We are no longer feared on the world stage. Trump will change that."
NO problem from where I sit.
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At least we won't have a President Trump traveling the world and apologizing for perceived wrongs of the United States. And you won't see him bowing to the heads of states of other countries.
And you won't see any enemy agents planted on his staff.
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And you won't see any enemy agents planted on his staff.
lol! Yes, there will be NO Valerie Jarretts on Trumps staff! However, she's not just an enemy agent, but an enemy puppeteer, with Hussein, Michelle, et al as the puppets.
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lol! Yes, there will be NO Valerie Jarretts on Trumps staff! However, she's not just an enemy agent, but an enemy puppeteer, with Hussein, Michelle, et al as the puppets.
Or Abedin.
And it is unlikely you will see Al Sharpton visiting the White House 50 times. Or BLM.
The Secret Service guys must be breathing a little more freely too.
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Exactly.
Had President Obama gone to Pearl Harbor, our conspiracy theorist would be complaining that he went and what a gross and negligent waste of taxpayer money the trip was.
Sent from my iPhone . Squirrel!!
Can't say I agree with you a lot but I do agree here. Some people would have complained about the cost the the President to travel.
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Can't say I agree with you a lot but I do agree here. Some people would have complained about the cost the the President to travel.
I don't think any reasonable person would complain about the cost for a GOOD CAUSE like Pearl Harbor. However, when he goes to HI it is to play golf which he has done more than any other President.
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So what other US Presidents have bowed to the likes of the Saudis? Care to back up your inane bullshit?
Someday you will learn how to research before posting. A simple google search of "presidents bowing to world leaders" would have yielded images of past presidents bowing to others. One example:
(http://a5.files.thedailybanter.com/image/upload/MTM2NjQzODAxMjEzOTA0NDgx)
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I only see Bush bowing to allow a medal to be place around his neck. As for the pope, others kneel, and kiss his ring. Religious leaders are different than world leaders who are at best equals in stature to the President.
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Someday you will learn how to research before posting. A simple google search of "presidents bowing to world leaders" would have yielded images of past presidents bowing to others. One example:
(http://a5.files.thedailybanter.com/image/upload/MTM2NjQzODAxMjEzOTA0NDgx)
Maybe someday you'll stop your habit of twisting post to make your inane points.
First picture is of Bush holding the hand of the Saudi King. It's not bowing.
Second picture is the cheek kiss of Bush and the Saudi King. It's a common greeting in SA.
Third picture is again Bush holding the Saudi Kings hand, he is not bowing.
Fourth picture is Bush bowing his head so the SA King can place the medal around his neck. Bush is not bowing in servitude.
Fifth picture is of Bush and the Pope. This is religious, the Pope is not a head of state but the head of the Catholic Church.
You'll be back shortly in order to attempt another lame twist.....count on it.
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Silly me, here I thought heads of state should show signs of respect to one another. Of course, I'm sure you have another social media meme in the waiting to prove your point.
The derangement is strong with you. Classic case of ODS.
Sent from my iPhone . Squirrel!!
That may be true, but as you said, they should show signs or respect to each other. Not just Obama bowing to them.
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Someday you will learn how to research before posting. A simple google search of "presidents bowing to world leaders" would have yielded images of past presidents bowing to others. One example:
Full of FAIL.
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That may be true, but as you said, they should show signs or respect to each other. Not just Obama bowing to them.
I have more of a problem with Obama giving away the nuclear candy store to the Iranians as well as the $$$. Did Valerie Jarrett get him to do this, like everything else? I hope Trump can roll back this deal somehow. Iran has sworn to be our enemy, even after we gave away the store. WTF was Obama thinking???
Bowing, and apologizing to everyone for America being SO, SO BAD, and oh so MEAN is one thing. Putting us further at risk is another.
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I have more of a problem with Obama giving away the nuclear candy store to the Iranians as well as the $$$. Did Valerie Jarrett get him to do this, like everything else? I hope Trump can roll back this deal somehow. Iran has sworn to be our enemy, even after we gave away the store. WTF was Obama thinking???
Bowing, and apologizing to everyone for America being SO, SO BAD, and oh so MEAN is one thing. Putting us further at risk is another.
Obama thinks that we are the reason that Iran is the way it is and the Ayatollas are so pissed. He thought by showing them what a nice guy he is and by weakening the US that they would see we're not such bad guys and like us. He succeeded in doing what he wanted, showing them he's a nice guy and weakening the US, but, predictably, they still hate us.
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You guys crack me up. You offer a perfectly legitimate explanation for the four photos posted by Jim. The logic in explaining all the photos, remarkably, is sound.
YET, you cannot accept that President Obama wasn't bowing, but bending down to the King's level? Really? Talk about deranged.
What's even more funny is the Bush photo montage emerged as a response to all the bellyaching about Obama. Well, how did the Obama photo gain so much traction?
It was a funding ploy from the RNC. And conservatives that were aghast Barack Obama was their President bought it and sucked it up.
Like the good little sheep the RNC took them for.
Sent from my iPhone . Squirrel!!
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You guys crack me up. You offer a perfectly legitimate explanation for the four photos posted by Jim. The logic in explaining all the photos, remarkably, is sound.
YET, you cannot accept that President Obama wasn't bowing, but bending down to the King's level? Really? Talk about deranged.
What's even more funny is the Bush photo montage emerged as a response to all the bellyaching about Obama. Well, how did the Obama photo gain so much traction?
It was a funding ploy from the RNC. And conservatives that were aghast Barack Obama was their President bought it and sucked it up.
Like the good little sheep the RNC took them for.
Sent from my iPhone . Squirrel!!
Better back down the dosage on your meds. ::)
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You guys crack me up. You offer a perfectly legitimate explanation for the four photos posted by Jim. The logic in explaining all the photos, remarkably, is sound.
YET, you cannot accept that President Obama wasn't bowing, but bending down to the King's level? Really? Talk about deranged.
What's even more funny is the Bush photo montage emerged as a response to all the bellyaching about Obama. Well, how did the Obama photo gain so much traction?
It was a funding ploy from the RNC. And conservatives that were aghast Barack Obama was their President bought it and sucked it up.
Like the good little sheep the RNC took them for.
So what about all the America bashing and apologizing he did giving speeches against the U.S. in foreign countries? What about the Iran nuke deal? I guess the DNC followers are pigs, not sheep, huh?
Sent from my iPhone . Squirrel!
Wolverines!
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You guys crack me up. You offer a perfectly legitimate explanation for the four photos posted by Jim. The logic in explaining all the photos, remarkably, is sound.
YET, you cannot accept that President Obama wasn't bowing, but bending down to the King's level? Really? Talk about deranged.
What's even more funny is the Bush photo montage emerged as a response to all the bellyaching about Obama. Well, how did the Obama photo gain so much traction?
It was a funding ploy from the RNC. And conservatives that were aghast Barack Obama was their President bought it and sucked it up.
Like the good little sheep the RNC took them for.
Distinction between that and bowing?
But this is all minutiae compared with the grand and glorious failures of so many of our leaders.
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Fifth picture is of Bush and the Pope. This is religious, the Pope is not a head of state but the head of the Catholic Church.
The Pope is head of Vatican City, a sovereign state.
The montage contained material unrelated to my point and except for the photo of Bush getting a medal, none of the objections were relevant. The objection to the Bush "bow" is valid; my apology. In my simple search I saw the following images but was too lazy to include them. I will do so now.
You'll be back shortly in order to attempt another lame twist.....count on it.
You'll be back with more sweeping claims of no useful value, but hours of pointless arguments.
(It is claimed that Eisenhower bowed to Hirohito when they met, but couldn't find any photos to back that claim up.)
Nixon bowing to Mao:
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/fa506a3b97.JPG)
Nixon bowing to Hirohito:
(http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/images/item/20091116-fncbow1.jpg)
Ike bowing to DeGaulle:
(http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/images/item/20091116-fncbow2.jpg)
Obama, "bowing" to some kid, indicating his bows may be a personal affectation:
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2012/05/24/us/politics/24jacob-cnd/24jacob-cnd-jumbo.jpg)
President Truman and Bacall (just because):
(https://ohkrapp.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/bacall-truman-piano.jpg)
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There is no picture of Nixon and Mao.
The picture of Nixon and Hirohito, Nixon is not bowing to him, he's leaning closer to hear him.
Ike is getting a medal from DeGaulle, again he's not bowing in servitude.
Obama is bending over for the kid to touch his head.
Your last pic is pointless.
Keep chalking up your FAILS.
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Jim, I like the Bacall pic! Nice!!!
Harry, not so much, but at least he was a sane Democrat as opposed to what we have today. :)
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You guys crack me up. You offer a perfectly legitimate explanation for the four photos posted by Jim. The logic in explaining all the photos, remarkably, is sound.
YET, you cannot accept that President Obama wasn't bowing, but bending down to the King's level?
As our local sportscasters says....Let's go to the video tape...
He bent down the level of the King's stomach. His face was facing down. His eyes were down. His knee was bent. He didn't stay there, he went down and came back up.
I call that a bow.
Really? Talk about deranged.
Yes....talk about....
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Logajan will be along shortly to post a picture of LBJ scratching his ass and tell us he's bowing........ ;D
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B.O. was just following Jarrett's protocol advice.
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There is no picture of Nixon and Mao.
If you say so. Don't ever do a Google image search on "Nixon and Mao".
The picture of Nixon and Hirohito, Nixon is not bowing to him, he's leaning closer to hear him.
I'll take your word for it since that is all you offer.
Ike is getting a medal from DeGaulle, again he's not bowing in servitude.
What medal? Of course he's not bowing in servitude (neither was Obama - though you may think so, else why bitch about it?) though Ike has the classic bow from the waist. This is a photo of him getting a medal from De Gaulle:
(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/general-of-the-army-dwight-d-eisenhower-receives-the-french-medal-of-picture-id152244573?s=594x594)
Obama is bending over for the kid to touch his head.
Gosh thanks - I would have never guessed!
Your last pic is pointless.
That is the best picture of the bunch! Bacall on a piano is never pointless.
Keep chalking up your FAILS.
At least I think Obama was a failure for reasons that make sense and I don't complain about inane trivialities - like you do - that distract from those important failings. Important things like: Want to compare the personal costs of Obamacare? Our health insurance for two people was costing us ~$12,000/year in 2016 and was going to ~$19,500/year in 2017. Had to switch to the lowest price plan available (short of having no insurance at all) which will still cost us ~$13,500/year. Because we earn over the threshold (but aren't rich by any definition) for subsidies we get no relief at all from the feds.
But then I run our own business. I have no idea what you do. Complain without backing references, mostly, if your postings to this forum are any indication?
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If you say so. Don't ever do a Google image search on "Nixon and Mao".
The picture you attempted to post doesn't show up on this forum.
Comprehension is not your strong point is it?
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But then I run our own business. I have no idea what you do. Complain without backing references, mostly, if your postings to this forum are any indication?
Business must be way down as evidenced by your spending time on the net making inane arguments and posting pics you haven't bothered to research or even look at. ::)
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Obama is neither the first nor will he be the last to bow to foreign leaders.
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Obama is neither the first nor will he be the last to bow to foreign leaders.
Don't let logic and reasoning get in the way of a good teeth gnashing diatribe.
Sent from my iPad . Squirrel!!
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Don't let logic and reasoning get in the way of a good teeth gnashing diatribe.
Sent from my iPad . Squirrel!!
"Swing and a miss!"
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But then I run our own business. I have no idea what you do. Complain without backing references, mostly, if your postings to this forum are any indication?
And you won't find out, either. He/she loves his/her anonymity. ;D
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The picture you attempted to post doesn't show up on this forum.
Comprehension is not your strong point is it?
It shows up fine for me.
Try this:
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And you won't find out, either. He/she loves his/her anonymity. ;D
What anonymity? Right here, in Hell. Check the bible, lots about me there!
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And you won't find out, either. He/she loves his/her anonymity. ;D
Let him have it. It adds to the utter lack of any credibility he or she has.
Sent from my iPad . Squirrel!!
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What anonymity? Right here, in Hell. Check the bible, lots about me there!
The bible? I thought you hated fake news?
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It shows up fine for me.
Nice! Use a Chinese propaganda film to make a point! ::)
(Notice he was shaking hands......naw, you'll just twist that as well). ::)
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The bible? I thought you hated fake news?
We have our fair share of atheist down here as well. Boy is it funny when they show up!
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We have our fair share of atheist down here as well. Boy is it funny when they show up!
Who's an atheist?