I have suppressors. I love shooting with them and hope to hell they never get banned, but.. I have to side with the lib side on this one. One of my favorite things is shooting subsonic ammo out of the AR15 with my suppressor. It is quiet as hell. Sounds like an air gun. There is no way in hell anyone would hear someone shooting sub sonic ammo through a suppressed rifle at that range. Just like the movies, well.. almost. Especially if it is not a semi auto and there is not repeating action of the gun. I also do a lot of long range shooting and use it for that as well. Shooting normal ammo, It will not hide the "Crack". That is the sound the bullet makes when it breaks the speed of sound. Impossible to hide that, but it does hide the "BOOM". I can shoot without any ear protection and the only sounds I hear are the gun action, air rifle sound, then the "crack".

I've never used subsonic ammo in an AR but I can't imagine it would have any range.  It certainly wouldn't have been of any use to the guy in Vegas at that distance.  Even subsonic .22LR ammo has no range and you can watch it fly through the air to the target.  The much heavier .223 round would drop like a rock I'd think. 

Using standard ammo in an AR with a suppressor dampens the sound to a very loud crack.  I.e. You'll still want hearing protection.  Somewhat louder than a .22LR maybe.  It might have helped the Vegas shooter a little at first, but not for long.  Once the music stopped you'd have still heard the shots.  They just wouldn't have been as loud. 

Level Wing has it right.  But I'm curious why anyone here gives a flip.  No one here seems to be a big NFL fan nor a big late night talk show fan.  I'm not, and I couldn't care less about any of this flap.  Dues have a right to take a knee, owners have a right to fire them.   Almost as much posturing as goes on here most days.

We are told that "gun control" is the answer.  Yet, if I look back at history, that is not true.  Before 1986, you could buy full automatic machine guns and yet they weren't used to commit mass murder. 

The requirements to purchase fully automatic firearms have not changed.  You needed then and still need an FFL and a $200 tax stamp.  What changed is that if you buy a fully auto firearm now it has to have been manufactured prior to 1986.

It didn't take long for dealers to come up with a way to get around this for the short-term.  They went to law enforcement agencies nation-wide and offered to buy them brand-new fully automatic rifles in exchange for their pre-1986 rifles.  Those are the ones you find for sale now. 

But I doubt the guy in Vegas had a legal fully auto rifle.  Likely, he illegally converted his rifles to full auto, or he was using a gat.  The rate of fire didn't sound consistent so that's my guess.  A gat is attached to the trigger guard and has a hand crank that's used to push the trigger faster than you can manually pull it with your finger.  They're dirt cheap, maybe $40, and installs in seconds. 

Hillary and her talk of silencers, talk about misinformation to the public who will believe her.  You can try to talk logic and truth but anti-gun people aren't going to hear you.  They've already made up their minds. 

Just the other day I was pointing out to my wife that it's incredible that in such a short period of time we could find ammo back on the shelves, and at good prices too.  Gun prices have plummeted back to normal levels.  I told her that the shooting industry may talk like it's great but it's not good for their businesses.  They loved every minute that Obama was in office.  I can tell you that for a fact because I worked in the industry at the time.  Personally, they despised the man and his politics, but it was GREAT for business. 

We were perusing the gun section at a local store Friday night and talking about it.  Looking at the expanse of guns and ammo I told my wife that it would change overnight if something really bad happened and the anti-gun people were able to get a podium where the masses would listen to them.  I'm sorry that it happened in Vegas.  I couldn't feel worse for them.  I'm sorry that it happened at all.

Correct, there are rules for their conduct during the national anthem, but the NFL is choosing not to enforce their own rules.  They fear the players, and their reaction to any enforcement.  The NFL could have stopped this at the beginning, and thought it would just fade away.  Now they are powerless, and while I don't think they will go under, I do think their ratings, and revenue will be negatively affected.  Probably not enough to matter though, but I do hope they realize that a lot of their fans, and former fans don't like it.

Eh, the dummies who pay a premium for the games will return.  Or not.  Think NASCAR.  Either way I don't really care.  Beer and chip companies buy the ads, but I don't buy beer or chips.  I'm sure I buy something from some company who supports them, but again, that's between them and the NFL.

I'd go to my son's city league games several years ago.  I had a friend in the PR office at the university who used to get me tickets to take the family to some college football and basketball games, but she left for another job, so I haven't seen anything sports-related in a few years, and never paid a dime for a ticket. 

Players have the right to express their opinion, within the confines of their employer's policies.

I think making such a radical statement as ignoring the National Anthem is stupid and risks alienating many fans.

We don't often see eye to eye, but I agree with both comments.  I don't watch pro football so I'm not really a factor.  I 100% agree with their right to behave childishly.  But I'm not their boss.  I think their behavior is disrespectful, and it's meant to be.  If I was their boss they'd be out on their asses before the game began.  To be honest, I'm surprised there's not a contract clause requiring them to behave respectfully.

But the goofy thing to me is how many people are taking this so seriously which actually gives their claims more merit.  It's amusing that some people are so upset about this. 



I get why so many black people are upset.  Racism is a problem.  Until recently I thought it was getting much better, but I was wrong.  We do need to see changes in our country.

The thing is, the NFL protesters have the ability to effect the change.  An ability that most of us do not.  They are on the world stage and have access to powerful people who can effect changes.  People with influence.  Rather than drawing criticism and getting a lot of nobodies worked up and angry, they should be using their celebrity status to make the connections to get the job done. 

Not necessarily, too many people don't know to keep their yappers shut when dealing with those guys.

Reminds me of the case from last year, maybe 2 years ago, where the court said you have to actually say that you're invoking your right to remain silent.  That's just wrong.

I believe you have admitted in doing nothing towards helping end MMGW.

If you can find where I said anything of the sort I'd appreciate you posting the link.  I don't take it to the extreme, but I do what I can. 

A collection of brain dead zombies here.  Pardons should be used for common sense leniency where someone's sentence doesn't fit the crime.  Not for a criminal like Joe.