Post by: nddons on February 22, 2018, 12:37:44 AM
Post by: Little Joe on February 22, 2018, 05:44:12 AM
What a hard working team. Well done!And those Canadians are SUCH good sports.
Post by: nddons on February 22, 2018, 05:56:35 AM
And those Canadians are SUCH good sports.Yea, what’s with the 15 minutes of crying?
Post by: bflynn on February 22, 2018, 06:22:01 AM
But not this one.
I'm happy the US team won. Don't be a sore winner, be gracious in victory.
I don't like winning...or losing...by a shootout. Should be sudden death until it's over.
Post by: Little Joe on February 22, 2018, 07:11:15 AM
It was an emotional game and Canada clearly dominated the play. The US was lucky to have won...if they play that game 10 times, Canada wins 9 of them.It wasn't the crying that bothered me. I would have felt sympathy for that. It was the removing of their silver medal even before the US women were awarded their gold.
But not this one.
I'm happy the US team won. Don't be a sore winner, be gracious in victory.
I don't like winning...or losing...by a shootout. Should be sudden death until it's over.
Post by: Anthony on February 22, 2018, 07:26:32 AM
Post by: Little Joe on February 22, 2018, 07:35:58 AM
Don't like nor watch the Olympics, and don't like women's sports. I don't waste my time with third rate sports.I only like/watch the women's sports.
Post by: Lucifer on February 22, 2018, 07:36:37 AM
Don't like nor watch the Olympics, and don't like women's sports. I don't waste my time with third rate sports.
The Olympics are on? Really?
Didn't notice.
Post by: Anthony on February 22, 2018, 08:43:52 AM
The Olympics are on? Really?
Didn't notice.
I haven't watched in decades, and I am an avid skier, and formerly raced NASTAR. If you are not a woman, or Gay it reallly is irrelevant.
Post by: Dweyant on February 22, 2018, 08:58:39 AM
30% fluff background
18% Figure skating of some sort
2% anything interesting.
Been recording, then watching so I can skip the stupid shit.
Really enjoyed the women's cross country two person thing. US won Gold and it was a heck of a race. Don't know a thing about it, but it was wild to watch.
That and the speed skating team relay crazy thing. Somehow the Netherlands won the bronze and weren't even in the race.
-Dan
Post by: invflatspin on February 22, 2018, 09:20:08 AM
Post by: nddons on February 22, 2018, 10:18:12 AM
It wasn't the crying that bothered me. I would have felt sympathy for that. It was the removing of their silver medal even before the US women were awarded their gold.I felt the same way when my Blackhawks’ Patrick Kane took his Silver Medal off 8 years ago in Vancouver I think.
Post by: nddons on February 22, 2018, 10:32:31 AM
Don't like nor watch the Olympics, and don't like women's sports. I don't waste my time with third rate sports.It’s not like WNBA. It’s Hockey. They are very skilled. I’ll watch hockey on any level.
As for the third rate sports comment, I’ll take most of this stuff vs what the NFL has been putting out. Having played college football I used to like the NFL. So of the big 4 sports, my rank was NHL followed closely by NFL, then MLB lower on the list because it’s boring, and the NBA is 100% off the list.
Now, The NFL has joined the NBA in being off my map. I still love hockey, and am willing to get back into MLB as the thug life hasn’t hit that sport yet.
Getting back to the Olympics, I relish watching things like biathalon, cross country skiing, bobslead, skeleton, luge, (ok doubles luge is too gay), speedskating, ski jumping, and other sports where it is pure sport, not sideshow shit.
My wife was a competitive figure skater, so we have to watch that, but NBCs embrace of this Johnny Weir fruitcake makes that stuff unwatchable. Scott Hamilton has been kicked out of the play by play role in favor of this Weir guy, and they also tried to hire the flaming Adam Rippon. I don’t need that shit shoved in my face.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on February 22, 2018, 11:05:21 AM
My wife was a competitive figure skater, so we have to watch that, but NBCs embrace of this Johnny Weir fruitcake makes that stuff unwatchable. Scott Hamilton has been kicked out of the play by play role in favor of this Weir guy, and they also tried to hire the flaming Adam Rippon. I don’t need that shit shoved in my face.
HATER! You must be sent to a "camp" for "re-education."
Post by: invflatspin on February 22, 2018, 11:08:31 AM
Post by: nddons on February 22, 2018, 11:56:30 AM
I haven't watched in decades, and I am an avid skier, and formerly raced NASTAR. If you are not a woman, or Gay it reallly is irrelevant.Ha! I raced Nastar in high school. What a great thing. If I recalled they had a “professional” run the course, and then handicap it based on your age and possibly your skill level.
Post by: nddons on February 22, 2018, 11:59:05 AM
HATER! You must be sent to a "camp" for "re-education."I know. The black helicopters are already here.
Post by: asechrest on February 22, 2018, 12:55:29 PM
Sometimes we let our politics and positions poison our lives.
I've watched the Olympics some, mainly while cooking dinner. I enjoy it for what it is, and don't worry about it beyond that.
Post by: Little Joe on February 22, 2018, 02:01:24 PM
Sometimes we let our politics and positions poison our lives.While I have pretty much given up on pro sports (with politics only being the final straw), I still enjoy amateur and college sports.
I've watched the Olympics some, mainly while cooking dinner. I enjoy it for what it is, and don't worry about it beyond that.
As much as us old geezers complain about millennials living on Mom's couch playing video games, and never getting outside and learning the difference between winning and losing, (the "Everyone Gets A Trophy" phenomena) I would think we would all be cheering these young people. I just wish there were a whole lot more of them.
Post by: invflatspin on February 22, 2018, 02:45:21 PM
Sometimes we let our politics and positions poison our lives.
I've watched the Olympics some, mainly while cooking dinner. I enjoy it for what it is, and don't worry about it beyond that.
I think that's a noble sentiment, and for the most part I follow your point.
But - my spidey sense says that NBC chose Weir as a color commentator for reasons other than his knowledge of skating. There may be an agenda at work that is designed, or sub-textually intended to sway opinion. Sadly, they didn't think it through. Pushing an agenda seems to have had a backlash, making things worse.
Just a thought.
Post by: nddons on February 22, 2018, 03:47:27 PM
I think that's a noble sentiment, and for the most part I follow your point.Sharp spidey sense. Besides the obvious, my wife also commented on how poor his technical analysis was with respect to the actual skating.
But - my spidey sense says that NBC chose Weir as a color commentator for reasons other than his knowledge of skating. There may be an agenda at work that is designed, or sub-textually intended to sway opinion. Sadly, they didn't think it through. Pushing an agenda seems to have had a backlash, making things worse.
Just a thought.
Post by: invflatspin on February 22, 2018, 03:58:18 PM
What bugs me, NBC fired Scott. The guy is just about the best the US ever had. He's been through some really tough times in his life, and he was very knowledgeable about the process, the tech, and the feeling of the judging. Wier is just a huge letdown from what we had. His gayness doesn't make him any better, just different. Different is not useful in this area.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 22, 2018, 07:45:11 PM
Post by: invflatspin on February 22, 2018, 08:37:29 PM
Post by: invflatspin on February 23, 2018, 09:57:54 AM
Sorry, but that's how I heard it.
Post by: bflynn on February 24, 2018, 05:34:08 AM
I felt the same way when my Blackhawks’ Patrick Kane took his Silver Medal off 8 years ago in Vancouver I think.
Strong competitors don't want second place. Ever.
In 2003, Giguere won the Conn Smythe award(MVP), but the Ducks did not win the Stanley Cup. He was crying when he was given the award for being the best player in the league.
None of them are going to go home and brag that they lost the championship.
IMO, that is a good thing. Doesn't bother me a bit.
Post by: nddons on February 24, 2018, 06:39:59 AM
Strong competitors don't want second place. Ever.Adults don’t act like children when they lose. There will always be a losing side in any competition. Always. Better know how to act when you’re on that side. This spoiled brat act is the result of the participation trophy generation when “nobody is a loser” until real life or real competition smacks them in the face.
In 2003, Giguere won the Conn Smythe award(MVP), but the Ducks did not win the Stanley Cup. He was crying when he was given the award for being the best player in the league.
None of them are going to go home and brag that they lost the championship.
IMO, that is a good thing. Doesn't bother me a bit.
Post by: bflynn on February 24, 2018, 07:02:06 AM
Adults don’t act like children when they lose.
Sorry, but all evidence says that sometimes they do. People cannot always control their emotions. As adults maybe we should, but when we care a great deal about something that we've lost, emotions happen. Loss does that, intense emotions can overwhelm people.
I think what you meant to say is that is that adults who lose sometimes do not meet your expectation of how to behave. I believe your expectation is way too high. I'm still suffering from the last big loss I had and sometimes I have to go off by myself because of it. In this case, I'm talking about my father dying, but when you care so much about something, it doesn't matter much whether it's a person or a sporting event.
Criticize away.
Post by: Little Joe on February 24, 2018, 08:59:43 AM
Sorry, but all evidence says that sometimes they do. People cannot always control their emotions. As adults maybe we should, but when we care a great deal about something that we've lost, emotions happen. Loss does that, intense emotions can overwhelm people.As I said before, the crying and emotion on the field is not what bothered with me. It was the poor sportsmanship while the awards were being given that pissed me off.
I think what you meant to say is that is that adults who lose sometimes do not meet your expectation of how to behave. I believe your expectation is way too high. I'm still suffering from the last big loss I had and sometimes I have to go off by myself because of it. In this case, I'm talking about my father dying, but when you care so much about something, it doesn't matter much whether it's a person or a sporting event.
Criticize away.
Post by: nddons on February 24, 2018, 10:15:14 AM
Sorry, but all evidence says that sometimes they do. People cannot always control their emotions. As adults maybe we should, but when we care a great deal about something that we've lost, emotions happen. Loss does that, intense emotions can overwhelm people.Oh give me a break. Never took you to be so melodramatic. I lost my dad in 1995. I also lost college football games. I missed going to NCAA Nationals in discus by a couple of feet. Neither of which are on the same planet as losing my dad.
I think what you meant to say is that is that adults who lose sometimes do not meet your expectation of how to behave. I believe your expectation is way too high. I'm still suffering from the last big loss I had and sometimes I have to go off by myself because of it. In this case, I'm talking about my father dying, but when you care so much about something, it doesn't matter much whether it's a person or a sporting event.
Criticize away.
It’s disturbing that you even attempt to equate the two.
Post by: bflynn on February 25, 2018, 02:55:49 PM
Oh give me a break. Never took you to be so melodramatic. I lost my dad in 1995. I also lost college football games. I missed going to NCAA Nationals in discus by a couple of feet. Neither of which are on the same planet as losing my dad.
It’s disturbing that you even attempt to equate the two.
I find it disturbing that you project your values onto other people. Because you don't feel an event is important does not mean they are ambivalent too.
My point was not that two life events should be equivalent. It was that everyone ranks the importance of life events differently. For some people, winning a NCAA championship would mean much, much more than the death of their father, especially if that relationship was very negative. Your judgement of the importance of an event is really only relevant for you, unless you intend that everyone else conform to what you think is important. I know that you don't, so I chalk it up to just not realizing where you were heading.
She got emotional over something that none of us are equipped to understand - at least I assume that nobody here has ever been the favorite to win an olympic gold metal. Give her the benefit of the doubt as to still being a good person.
Post by: Little Joe on February 25, 2018, 03:25:41 PM
Give her the benefit of the doubt as to still being a good person.I did. Until she proved otherwise. And it had nothing to do with the crying and the emotion.
Post by: bflynn on February 25, 2018, 04:52:26 PM
I did. Until she proved otherwise. And it had nothing to do with the crying and the emotion.
Respectfully, what you did was judge her one a single action. If I did the same to you, then I'd have said that you're a closed minded, mean hateful person who neither cares for others nor respect them. Like I said, give think back to a time when you did something that didn't come across well and give her the benefit of the doubt - not the judgement of the minute.
Coming from outside the right - things like this this is why the Left says that conservatives are mean and hateful and vice versa. Tolerance and respect mean this doesn't happen.
But I didn't. I'm sure you're a great guy and if we sat down with a few beers, we'd talk about all kinds of great ideas.
Post by: Little Joe on February 25, 2018, 06:43:50 PM
Respectfully, what you did was judge her one a single action. If I did the same to you, then I'd have said that you're a closed minded, mean hateful person who neither cares for others nor respect them. Like I said, give think back to a time when you did something that didn't come across well and give her the benefit of the doubt - not the judgement of the minute.If she were to apologize for her action, I would forgive her and say you are right.
Coming from outside the right - things like this this is why the Left says that conservatives are mean and hateful and vice versa. Tolerance and respect mean this doesn't happen.
But I didn't. I'm sure you're a great guy and if we sat down with a few beers, we'd talk about all kinds of great ideas.
I'm waiting.
Post by: bflynn on February 25, 2018, 08:14:40 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/02/22/a-canadian-hockey-player-refuses-to-wear-silver-medal-after-loss-to-u-s/
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/canadian-hockey-player-apologizes-yanking-silver-medal-article-1.3837681
I didn't even have to look hard. These stories were 3 days ago.
Post by: Little Joe on February 26, 2018, 05:53:34 AM
https://www.today.com/news/canadian-hockey-player-apologizes-yanking-silver-medal-during-ceremony-t123764Thanks for posting that. I'm sure it wasn't hard to find that, but I didn't feel it was my job to prove to me that she is better than her instinctive actions indicated.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/02/22/a-canadian-hockey-player-refuses-to-wear-silver-medal-after-loss-to-u-s/
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/canadian-hockey-player-apologizes-yanking-silver-medal-article-1.3837681
I didn't even have to look hard. These stories were 3 days ago.
I'll ease up on my opinion of her, but just a little bit. I'm sure that her apology is probably in large part fueled by blowback she has received, including the possible loss of future endorsement contracts. The most slack I will give her is due to the fact that she is young and her brain is still developing. Maybe this will be a life lesson for her.
Post by: nddons on February 26, 2018, 01:02:15 PM
Respectfully, what you did was judge her one a single action. If I did the same to you, then I'd have said that you're a closed minded, mean hateful person who neither cares for others nor respect them. Like I said, give think back to a time when you did something that didn't come across well and give her the benefit of the doubt - not the judgement of the minute.You’ve got to be shitting me. “Coming from outside the right” calling out someone for their detrimental actions is mean and hateful, but calling someone a racist, homophobic, sexist Nazi is just and right and calling it like you see it. Got it.
Coming from outside the right - things like this this is why the Left says that conservatives are mean and hateful and vice versa. Tolerance and respect mean this doesn't happen.
But I didn't. I'm sure you're a great guy and if we sat down with a few beers, we'd talk about all kinds of great ideas.
How’s the perch from the cheap seats?
Post by: bflynn on February 26, 2018, 06:21:56 PM
You’ve got to be shitting me. “Coming from outside the right” calling out someone for their detrimental actions is mean and hateful, but calling someone a racist, homophobic, sexist Nazi is just and right and calling it like you see it. Got it.
How’s the perch from the cheap seats?
Ok, how about "coming from the middle"? What's wrong, you despise anyone who isn't all the way on the right with you? Warning for you - I'm slightly right of middle and that makes me a canary for Republicans. The right is losing me because I'm seeing so much asinine behavior from them. If I am feeling that way, it's very, very bad news for Republicans in November. I don't have a side here, except that you seem determined to make me "the enemy". Are you wanting me to vote Democrat?
Read The Friendly Screen. I said this is why the Left makes claims of you being mean and hateful. You're usually not actually being hateful, you just give them ammunition to use against you. Then you get pissed off at me because I point out how you screwed up?
I've said it before, we'll see in 9 months if I'm right - this is how Republicans lose. You're going down in flames right now because you're so caught up in being correct that you can't figure out how to accept allies.
Post by: Number7 on February 26, 2018, 07:00:21 PM
Ok, how about "coming from the middle"? What's wrong, you despise anyone who isn't all the way on the right with you? Warning for you - I'm slightly right of middle and that makes me a canary for Republicans. The right is losing me because I'm seeing so much asinine behavior from them. If I am feeling that way, it's very, very bad news for Republicans in November. I don't have a side here, except that you seem determined to make me "the enemy". Are you wanting me to vote Democrat?
Read The Friendly Screen. I said this is why the Left makes claims of you being mean and hateful. You're usually not actually
You're no canary, you're an attention whore, pretending to be centrist.
All that pathetic drivel is truly despicable when you look at YOUR party and how they have destroyed liberty, freedom and opportunity to make people like you feel virtuous about pretending to be centrist.
You're about as centrist as John fucking McCain.
Typical lying progressive, "Change your politics to please me, or I will become libtard." Congratulations, you're already there.
Post by: nddons on February 26, 2018, 08:05:57 PM
Ok, how about "coming from the middle"? What's wrong, you despise anyone who isn't all the way on the right with you? Warning for you - I'm slightly right of middle and that makes me a canary for Republicans. The right is losing me because I'm seeing so much asinine behavior from them. If I am feeling that way, it's very, very bad news for Republicans in November. I don't have a side here, except that you seem determined to make me "the enemy". Are you wanting me to vote Democrat?Ok, this is my last post with you on this ridiculous subject. Being the non-mean and non-hateful centrist, you could not allow me to criticize the way Patrick Kane and a member of the Canadian Woman’s hockey team without criticizing me for doing so, and telling me why I’m wrong.
Read The Friendly Screen. I said this is why the Left makes claims of you being mean and hateful. You're usually not actually being hateful, you just give them ammunition to use against you. Then you get pissed off at me because I point out how you screwed up?
I've said it before, we'll see in 9 months if I'm right - this is how Republicans lose. You're going down in flames right now because you're so caught up in being correct that you can't figure out how to accept allies.
Instead of letting me point out how ones behavior has consequences, including opening yourself up to criticizism, you could not resist pointing out how, by daft extension to the Republican Party, that I’m mean and hateful for saying so.
You aren’t a centrist. You are exposing yourself as a progressive who can’t accept differing opinions, and not letting well enough alone, you have to project your bias to the larger macro group of people with whom you already don’t belong.
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Post by: bflynn on February 27, 2018, 07:58:44 AM
you could not resist pointing out how, by daft extension to the Republican Party, that I’m mean and hateful for saying so.
Reading comprehension check. I'm pretty sure I said that Democrats use phrases like this to call you mean and hateful. I am not a democrat and I'm not calling you anything.
Am I speaking a different language or something?