PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 27, 2019, 08:49:59 AM
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While POTUS is in Vietnam trying to make the entire the world safer by de-nuking North Korea, anti-American weasels initiate THREE acts of near treason and sedition to undermine our duly elected POTUS. It’s not enough to just form a caucus of states to deny him electoral votes. Oh, no.
1. Congressmuslims Tlaib and Ilhan are first signers on a petition to impeach President Trump.
https://www.rollcall.com/news/reps-rashida-tlaib-ilhan-omar-sign-petition-impeach-trump
2. The House passes a resolution to block the national emergency declared by President Trump.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/house-set-to-pass-measure-blocking-trumps-national-emergency-on-wall-11551185964
3. Cohen to be dragged out of the sewer to testify before Congress about “crimes committed by Donald Trump.”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/02/26/michael-cohen-call-trump-conman-congressional-testimony/3001132002/
All this while the President is on scene at a summit working for peace. It looks to me like the Traitors are trying to CREATE chaos and instability in the United States to make their accusations of it true.
We know that they will create hate crimes and false narratives to support their deepest wishes for power. That ALONE is sufficient reason to expose and destroy them before they get it.
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Cohen’s opening statement that President Trump is a “racist, conman and cheat.”
In Vietnam at the conference at Hotel Metropole Hanoi, Trump kicked out reporters who were yelling out questions about Cohen.
24/7 harassment of a sitting president, one who has done more for America in two short years than any in my lifetime.
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A lesser man would bow out after 4 years, saying he doesn’t need this shit, for no pay, for disruption of his family and business life, and for literally no gratitude whatsoever.
But Trump seems to thrive on this shit.
I believe he was a reluctant leader, and never ever expected to win the presidency. Yet when he did, he stood up, took the fire, and followed through on his promises, at least as much as is legally possible with an intransigent congressional majority, and an adverse congressional minority.
If he stands in the gap one more time, I’m standing with him.
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A lesser man would bow out after 4 years, saying he doesn’t need this shit, for no pay, for disruption of his family and business life, and for literally no gratitude whatsoever.
But Trump seems to thrive on this shit.
I believe he was a reluctant leader, and never ever expected to win the presidency. Yet when he did, he stood up, took the fire, and followed through on his promises, at least as much as is legally possible with an intransigent congressional majority, and an adverse congressional minority.
If he stands in the gap one more time, I’m standing with him.
You can bet I would bow out after all the shit dished out. But as you said, I am a lesser man than Trump. I can admit that.
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Treasonous is so liberal....
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It is obvious the communist Democrats value their quest for more power over their own country and American citizens.
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Trump is going to get Kim Jong Un to give up his Nukes?
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/25/55/54/25555429910d5fc2035e56649bd398a8.png)
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2 ladies at my work are listening to Cohen on NPR. They just laughing at how stupid Cohen is and the fact he has lied but is not a liar. They said they love the questions or comments the Republicans are asking.
Best part is they listen to NPR all the time and are not Trump supporters.
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So perfesser, why is peace on the Korean peninsula a bad thing?
Why is it a bad thing that we finally have a President who wants to bring peace to that region?
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Trump is going to get Kim Jong Un to give up his Nukes?
I do not think he will get him to give up all his nukes. He might be able to come up with some deal were they stop and we remove some from area.
He is closer to getting a denuked NK than any other President, UN or other Country has done to date.
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I do not think he will get him to give up all his nukes. He might be able to come up with some deal were they stop and we remove some from area.
He is closer to getting a denuked NK than any other President, UN or other Country has done to date.
NK is broke. Trump is using that as leverage enticing Kim with more power and wealth if NK becomes more like the South.
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The communist professed HATES everything about America.
President Trump is just one of his triggers.
If he’d take his psychotropic meds he might actually be capable of acting like an adult... at least for a few seconds.
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Kim had to travel 2800 miles on a train to get to this meeting, that tells you something.
Michael, have you noticed that Kim quit lobbing missiles since the first meeting. Why are you so against Trump do anything good?
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2 ladies at my work are listening to Cohen on NPR. They just laughing at how stupid Cohen is and the fact he has lied but is not a liar. They said they love the questions or comments the Republicans are asking.
Best part is they listen to NPR all the time and are not Trump supporters.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ScottPresler/status/1100835748947918848
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Peace on the Korean Peninsula would be marvelous. But I knew Kim wouldn't give up his Nukes just because the Donald laid hands on him.
What I can see is your Orange Savior was played, hard. Kim got what he wanted, international standing and photo ops with an American President. That's what he wanted all along. It plays well to his captive population that he's the big man mixing it up on the world stage. And what did he have to give up to get it? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
And a real shame it is. The Vietnamese are working for us on this one. Recall we used to be at loggerheads, but now that we aren't Vietnam is a vibrant and prosperous nation. Trade with the West is a really, really good thing.
Peace on the Korean Peninsula would dramatically benefit the North Korean people. The one set of people it would not benefit is the Kim family, which is why it isn't going to happen. Trumplethinskin can tweet as much as he wants, he can make as many trips as he likes. Kim will not give up his nukes, not one little bit. I admit, his bellicose rhetoric has softened considerably, but really, what does that matter. My guess is the reason he's not testing anything is he's got nothing to test.
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Peace on the Korean Peninsula would be marvelous. But I knew Kim wouldn't give up his Nukes just because the Donald laid hands on him.
What I can see is your Orange Savior was played, hard. Kim got what he wanted, international standing and photo ops with an American President. That's what he wanted all along. It plays well to his captive population that he's the big man mixing it up on the world stage. And what did he have to give up to get it? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
And a real shame it is. The Vietnamese are working for us on this one. Recall we used to be at loggerheads, but now that we aren't Vietnam is a vibrant and prosperous nation. Trade with the West is a really, really good thing.
Peace on the Korean Peninsula would dramatically benefit the North Korean people. The one set of people it would not benefit is the Kim family, which is why it isn't going to happen. Trumplethinskin can tweet as much as he wants, he can make as many trips as he likes. Kim will not give up his nukes, not one little bit. I admit, his bellicose rhetoric has softened considerably, but really, what does that matter. My guess is the reason he's not testing anything is he's got nothing to test.
It would be refreshing, just for once, if you could behave as an adult, and have an adult discussion.
But you insist on carrying on these childish dialogues, which only indicates your sole purpose here is to troll. Peppering your replies with all of the childish immature name calling shows your true intent.
And, once again, you demonstrate your only knowledge of events is what you see on CNN. As an educator one would assume you could open your mind to the various viewpoints of a discussion.
And I'm not surprised you are cheering for a failure in peace for the Korean Peninsula. After all, it's politics that count in the progressive world, people be damned.
And to be clear, much has already been accomplished with regards to NK/SK/US relations. They are greatly improved and progress has been and continues to be made. If you could open your mind and look at what is really happening (and not just the CNN/MSM version) you might understand.
Reagan had setbacks with Gorbachev when negotiating with the USSR, but in the long run Reagan succeeded. Right now Kim is on the side that has little to offer, and his country is bankrupt. He is fully aware that the end result if he can't get a deal done is eventually he'll be swinging from a lamp pole. It may mean he will eventually have to leave NK and find asylum somewhere, but it will be asylum alive.
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Peace on the Korean Peninsula would be marvelous. But I knew Kim wouldn't give up his Nukes just because the Donald laid hands on him.
What I can see is your Orange Savior was played, hard. Kim got what he wanted, international standing and photo ops with an American President. That's what he wanted all along. It plays well to his captive population that he's the big man mixing it up on the world stage. And what did he have to give up to get it? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
And a real shame it is. The Vietnamese are working for us on this one. Recall we used to be at loggerheads, but now that we aren't Vietnam is a vibrant and prosperous nation. Trade with the West is a really, really good thing.
Peace on the Korean Peninsula would dramatically benefit the North Korean people. The one set of people it would not benefit is the Kim family, which is why it isn't going to happen. Trumplethinskin can tweet as much as he wants, he can make as many trips as he likes. Kim will not give up his nukes, not one little bit. I admit, his bellicose rhetoric has softened considerably, but really, what does that matter. My guess is the reason he's not testing anything is he's got nothing to test.
I’m not sure we are talking about the same event. It looked to me that Trump played Kim like a violin. He’s making him want to come into the world community. The Kim family won’t necessarily not benefit from that. In fact, they are in far more danger with 80% of the population in misery. If Kim can make NK prosperous (and he damn well knows it isn’t now) then his popularity would grow.
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What I can see is your Orange Savior was played, hard. Kim got what he wanted, international standing and photo ops with an American President. That's what he wanted all along. It plays well to his captive population that he's the big man mixing it up on the world stage. And what did he have to give up to get it? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
It's a negotiation, and like any negotiation you need to know when to walk away. It's a tactic and it's working. It's hardly a failure. When selling anything, if the buyer accepts your asking price right away then you asked for too little.
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Mikey would rather kill, or die than look at the facts instead of his precious delusions.
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What Kim wants is MONEY. Trump won't just give it to him like Obama, Bush, Clinton etc did. He will have to earn it and the best way for that is to go down the same path as South Korea
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It's a negotiation, and like any negotiation you need to know when to walk away. It's a tactic and it's working. It's hardly a failure. When selling anything, if the buyer accepts your asking price right away then you asked for too little.
Exactly right. Steingar can’t see success because he’s so filled with hate.
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Peace on the Korean Peninsula would be marvelous. But I knew Kim wouldn't give up his Nukes just because the Donald laid hands on him.
What I can see is your Orange Savior was played, hard. Kim got what he wanted, international standing and photo ops with an American President. That's what he wanted all along. It plays well to his captive population that he's the big man mixing it up on the world stage. And what did he have to give up to get it? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
And a real shame it is. The Vietnamese are working for us on this one. Recall we used to be at loggerheads, but now that we aren't Vietnam is a vibrant and prosperous nation. Trade with the West is a really, really good thing.
Peace on the Korean Peninsula would dramatically benefit the North Korean people. The one set of people it would not benefit is the Kim family, which is why it isn't going to happen. Trumplethinskin can tweet as much as he wants, he can make as many trips as he likes. Kim will not give up his nukes, not one little bit. I admit, his bellicose rhetoric has softened considerably, but really, what does that matter. My guess is the reason he's not testing anything is he's got nothing to test.
Every time Trump attempts to negotiate with a foreign power, the libs immediately say Trump will be/was played because he either didn't get everything he wanted, or he didn't give anything up. How did he get played if he didn't give up anything.
Or do you think it would be better if he didn't negotiate with them at all because they are just the junior varsity (as Obama said and did about ISIS)? How did that work out?
Clinton and Obama gave up a ton of shit to NOKO, and got nothing in return, but nobody said they got played.
You and your liberal cohorts would prefer Trump fail to win anything rather than see him make progress that will help America. Why is that?
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What Kim wants is MONEY. Trump won't just give it to him like Obama, Bush, Clinton etc did. He will have to earn it and the best way for that is to go down the same path as South Korea
He doesn't need money. He steals it from his people, who he keeps starving and in line with a giant army. What's surprising is he doesn't feed said army very well, to judge by the most recent defectors. Not a smart move, which is surprising. Kim seems pretty adroit, making me think that the army defectors were the nimrods who couldn't do anything and therefore didn't get to eat.
If Kim gave one shit about his people he'd be anxious to shed the nukes and invite western trade and investment. Problem is he doesn't. He cares about Mrs. Kim and Kim Jr, and I imagine the extended familial hangars on. I don't think he really cares about anyone else.
If you really want to know just how bad things are in North Korea, just look at the following satellite photo:
(http://georgetownsecuritystudiesreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/North_Korea_-_Satellite_view_5015891270.jpg)
Yes, that big dark patch is N Korea. They're so energy insecure that they can't turn on lights at night.
The Kim family is rich, and lives in luxury in Pyongyang. They don't want Western trade or investment, they don't want western anything. They want to stay in power, and they're got a pretty sweet deal to do so. The Chinese are very happy about this, the last thing they was are a bunch of refugees streaming across the border.
Honestly, I can't see much of anything changing this. Xi Jinping could, but why should he? The status quo is to his liking, and he cares about the poor impoverished N Koreans less than Kim. I doubt anyone in the army is going to do anything, I suspect the higher ups have been paid off sufficiently to keep them in line. So I really think the last thing in the world that's going to change this dynamic is an American President. But what an American President can do si make Kim look that much more important to his poor imprisoned impoverished people. Way to go Trump.
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Every time Trump attempts to negotiate with a foreign power, the libs immediately say Trump will be/was played because he either didn't get everything he wanted, or he didn't give anything up. How did he get played if he didn't give up anything.
Or do you think it would be better if he didn't negotiate with them at all because they are just the junior varsity (as Obama said and did about ISIS)? How did that work out?
Clinton and Obama gave up a ton of shit to NOKO, and got nothing in return, but nobody said they got played.
You and your liberal cohorts would prefer Trump fail to win anything rather than see him make progress that will help America. Why is that?
Mikey would probably be happy if Trump showed up with pallets of billions of dollars in currency to give away to the Norks.
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Mikey would probably be happy if Trump showed up with pallets of billions of dollars in currency to give away to the Norks.
Trump could do everything EXACTLY the same way as Obama did and be called a failure.
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He doesn't need money. He steals it from his people, who he keeps starving and in line with a giant army. What's surprising is he doesn't feed said army very well, to judge by the most recent defectors. Not a smart move, which is surprising. Kim seems pretty adroit, making me think that the army defectors were the nimrods who couldn't do anything and therefore didn't get to eat.
If Kim gave one shit about his people he'd be anxious to shed the nukes and invite western trade and investment. Problem is he doesn't. He cares about Mrs. Kim and Kim Jr, and I imagine the extended familial hangars on. I don't think he really cares about anyone else.
If you really want to know just how bad things are in North Korea, just look at the following satellite photo:
(http://georgetownsecuritystudiesreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/North_Korea_-_Satel)
Yes, that big dark patch is N Korea. They're so energy insecure that they can't turn on lights at night.
The Kim family is rich, and lives in luxury in Pyongyang. They don't want Western trade or investment, they don't want western anything. They want to stay in power, and they're got a pretty sweet deal to do so. The Chinese are very happy about this, the last thing they was are a bunch of refugees streaming across the border.
Honestly, I can't see much of anything changing this. Xi Jinping could, but why should he? The status quo is to his liking, and he cares about the poor impoverished N Koreans less than Kim. I doubt anyone in the army is going to do anything, I suspect the higher ups have been paid off sufficiently to keep them in line. So I really think the last thing in the world that's going to change this dynamic is an American President. But what an American President can do si make Kim look that much more important to his poor imprisoned impoverished people. Way to go Trump.
The ignorance of the above post is astounding.
Facts have no place in your world, obviously. Your hatred of the President and the USA dominate your thought process (or lack there of).
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Michael does not remember when Reagan walked away from the table with Russia.
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Trump could do everything EXACTLY the same way as Obama did and be called a failure.
Actually, that would be true. If he did everything exactly the same as Obama did, he would fail, just like Obama did. The only difference is that libs would point out Trumps failure where they praised Obama's failures.
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The ignorance of the above post is astounding.
Facts have no place in your world, obviously. Your hatred of the President and the USA dominate your thought process (or lack there of).
Do tell me what I got wrong. I am actually interested to know.
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Michael does not remember when Reagan walked away from the table with Russia.
He wouldn’t acknowledge that even if he did. The leftist position is that Reagan didn’t do squat. They contend that the USSR was a collapsing regime anyway, so it would have happened even without the Cold War. I shit you not.
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Actually, that would be true. If he did everything exactly the same as Obama did, he would fail, just like Obama did. The only difference is that libs would point out Trumps failure where they praised Obama's failures.
You're right, and I realized that what I said was pretty stupid just a little late. Trump is succeeding by doing exactly the opposite of what Obama did. That's the difference between theoretical book learnin' and actual practical real-world experience.
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You're right, and I realized that what I said was pretty stupid just a little late. Trump is succeeding by doing exactly the opposite of what Obama did. That's the difference between theoretical book learnin' and actual practical real-world experience.
Don't be too hard on yourself. Your statement itself was true. If Trump did everything the same as obama, libs would still call Trump a failure, whether he failed or not.
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Do tell me what I got wrong. I am actually interested to know.
You obviously know nothing of the region. Not sure where you are getting your information from.
And no, I'm not going to sit here and waste my time typing out a reply to all of the factually wrong things you've written, it will just be met with more inane diatribes from you peppered with childish name calling.
You're nothing but a forum troll, and honestly a waste of time.
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Turns out that walking away was a strategic move as well. We're watching a master negotiator.
Chang told Fox News that Trump also showed Beijing that he is not afraid to walk away from a bad deal amid trade talks and, in doing so, put added pressure on Xi, whose popularity appears to be waning due to the country’s economic stagnation. Chang said Xi has found himself in a “no win” situation: either he agrees to abandon the country’s “selfish” model or he continues to watch the economy suffer.
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You obviously know nothing of the region. Not sure where you are getting your information from.
And no, I'm not going to sit here and waste my time typing out a reply to all of the factually wrong things you've written, it will just be met with more inane diatribes from you peppered with childish name calling.
You're nothing but a forum troll, and honestly a waste of time.
Again, if you want me gone just say so. Gone I'll be. I've never wanted to be anywhere my presence wasn't desired. But I do suspect that you can't tell me what I got wrong since I got nothing wrong at all.
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Again, if you want me gone just say so. Gone I'll be. I've never wanted to be anywhere my presence wasn't desired.
Trying to martyr yourself again? This is an open discussion board, and unmoderated. No one has ever been asked to leave.
But I do suspect that you can't tell me what I got wrong since I got nothing wrong at all.
You're a buffoon, and a troll. Nothing more.
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Trying to martyr yourself again? This is an open discussion board, and unmoderated. No one has ever been asked to leave.
There is a first time for everything. If you really and truly think I can add nothing of value then you should want me gone. You only need say so. By not doing so you implicitly affirm that my presence does add value, and belies your cries of "troll".
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There is a first time for everything. If you really and truly think I can add nothing of value then you should want me gone. You only need say so. By not doing so you implicitly affirm that my presence does add value, and belies your cries of "troll".
I want you to stay. You spout the same bullshit my in-laws do and if I hear it from you first, I am better prepared to refute them. My MIL's birthday is next week and I will be forced to endure them once more. I love watching them blow steam out their ears when I call them on their stupid shit.
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There is a first time for everything. If you really and truly think I can add nothing of value then you should want me gone. You only need say so. By not doing so you implicitly affirm that my presence does add value, and belies your cries of "troll".
Every village has it's idiot. So yes, you do fill a role here.
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Every village has it's idiot. So yes, you do fill a role here.
Anyone who disagrees with you must be an idiot, since you seem to think you're a genius. Got it.
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Anyone who disagrees with you must be an idiot, since you seem to think you're a genius. Got it.
Lot of that going around; huh?
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I want you to stay. You spout the same bullshit my in-laws do and if I hear it from you first, I am better prepared to refute them. My MIL's birthday is next week and I will be forced to endure them once more. I love watching them blow steam out their ears when I call them on their stupid shit.
I second that! Plus, it’s fascinating to see the leftie talking points and buzzwords and epithets rolling off Steingar’s keyboard like spinning silk. Usually one distinct phrase within his post delegitimizes the rest of it.
It is my belief that inside Steingar is a conservative wanting to get out. He seems conflicted at times, beyond what you’d expect for complex issues merely.
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Candace Owens taunted Michael Cohen Wednesday morning after Trump’s former lawyer testified that Donald Trump is a “racist” and a “con man.”
Michael Cohen, a convicted liar who was just disbarred, testified in a public Congressional hearing on Wednesday.
In his opening statement, Cohen called President Trump a “racist” a “con man” and “a cheat.”
Candace Owens immediately dropped in with a little surprise.
Ms. Owens tweeted out a private Twitter message Michael Cohen sent her last summer and asked, “Should I go nuclear on Michael Cohen?”
“Should I go nuclear on Michael Cohen Who I know from years ago and who tried to approach me last summer to help “change the narrative” (also known as LIE) about the President?” Owens asked, adding, “Because I’m thinking I should. This coward plotted this entire “racist” lie to save himself.”
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/02/boom-candace-owens-drops-bomb-michael-cohen-approached-her-to-lie-about-racist-trump/
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https://thenationalsentinel.com/2019/02/28/experts-potus-trumps-no-deal-summit-with-kim-jong-un-was-a-master-stroke/
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https://thenationalsentinel.com/2019/02/28/experts-potus-trumps-no-deal-summit-with-kim-jong-un-was-a-master-stroke/
Excellent article.
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In the past, summits were the result of lots of hard work by diplomats, making the agreements and getting through the sticking points before the big guys meet. The summit then became a no-pressure meeting for publicity and photo-ops with an agreements already worked out. Trump prefers taking the reins in this process, thus you either get spectacular success or amazing failure. Of course, only a die-hard Trumpkin could spin utter failure as a giant success.
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In the past, summits were the result of lots of hard work by diplomats, making the agreements and getting through the sticking points before the big guys meet. The summit then became a no-pressure meeting for publicity and photo-ops with an agreements already worked out. Trump prefers taking the reins in this process, thus you either get spectacular success or amazing failure. Of course, only a die-hard Trumpkin could spin utter failure as a giant success.
This right here is one of the reasons you need to stay on this board. This illustrates how completely opposite the perception of two sides of the media and culture. It’s like two 180 degree opposite stories are being unfolded. Like a parallel universe where everything is upside down from each other.
The article Lucifer posted shows the summit as a brilliant success - Trump holding off until he gets a much better deal rather than just signing the first thing to ensure his legacy. I can hardly characterize this as “utter failure”. It’s not over with; both he and nutso Kim agreed to continue negotiations and remain friendly. No other President has gotten even close to this. How the fuck - excuse me but it’s warranted - is that a failure??? Only the left biased Trump hating media can spin that into a failure and you are of course willing only to see it from that viewpoint.
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In the past, summits were the result of lots of hard work by diplomats, making the agreements and getting through the sticking points before the big guys meet. The summit then became a no-pressure meeting for publicity and photo-ops with an agreements already worked out. Trump prefers taking the reins in this process, thus you either get spectacular success or amazing failure. Of course, only a die-hard Trumpkin could spin utter failure as a giant success.
How can you classify it as a failure if the process isn't finished yet?
Trump got involved because SecState said he couldn't make any progress with Kim's underlings. Kim must have felt that if he could go one-on-one with Trump, he could extract concessions like NK has always done with American Presidents.
I see this as an utter failure too, only I see it as a failure on Kim's part to extract something for nothing.
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How can you classify it as a failure if the process isn't finished yet?
Trump got involved because SecState said he couldn't make any progress with Kim's underlings. Kim must have felt that if he could go one-on-one with Trump, he could extract concessions like NK has always done with American Presidents.
I see this as an utter failure too, only I see it as a failure on Kim's part to extract something for nothing.
I mean, let's look at how BHO and Hillary/Kerry negotiated with NK........oh wait, they could not even get the NK or Kim to talk..
See, they were "brilliant" and "successful"! Even "diplomatic"!
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How can you classify it as a failure if the process isn't finished yet?
Trump got involved because SecState said he couldn't make any progress with Kim's underlings. Kim must have felt that if he could go one-on-one with Trump, he could extract concessions like NK has always done with American Presidents.
I see this as an utter failure too, only I see it as a failure on Kim's part to extract something for nothing.
It is a profound failure for two reasons. First, Trump has a literal army of diplomats who could have made the case and perhaps a reasonable agreement before he showed up. Like I said, that's how most presidents do things. Put another way, why spend millions of dollar to ship his fat ass to Vietnam so he could walk away from the deal? His time is valuable, or at least it should be (his hours of "executive time to rather belie that).
Second, like I said, Kim got something really big out of it. He got photos with him and the American President. That's what he's wanted all along, previous Presidents have been sufficiently wise to realize this and that he wasn't serious about negotiating anything. Like I said, he lives in luxury and has a captive population. He doesn't want to change a thing. If he did, he had a golden opportunity to do so and shined it on.
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Second, like I said, Kim got something really big out of it. He got photos with him and the American President. That's what he's wanted all along
That, in my opinion, is complete and utter left wing media inspired bullshit.
Kim just thought he could play Trump like he and his family have played Americans for years. Kim failed and if he goes into another round of talks with Trump, he now knows he will have to use a different tactic.
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It is a profound failure for two reasons. First, Trump has a literal army of diplomats who could have made the case and perhaps a reasonable agreement before he showed up. Like I said, that's how most presidents do things. Put another way, why spend millions of dollar to ship his fat ass to Vietnam so he could walk away from the deal? His time is valuable, or at least it should be (his hours of "executive time to rather belie that).
Second, like I said, Kim got something really big out of it. He got photos with him and the American President. That's what he's wanted all along, previous Presidents have been sufficiently wise to realize this and that he wasn't serious about negotiating anything. Like I said, he lives in luxury and has a captive population. He doesn't want to change a thing. If he did, he had a golden opportunity to do so and shined it on.
Photos were the goal? Like KJU couldn’t have photoshopped some? And the refiner of the art of the deal wasn’t interested in negotiating? Sure.
All you have to do is look at even the liberal media to see that this POTUS is one of the hardest working in decades, perhaps ever. For no pay. Kind of ironic. They try to make him look lazy but he just keeps churning out so many meetings, decisions, discussions, events and new actions ON BEHALF OF AMERICAN CITIZENS AND AMERICA that it’s hard to fool all but the most projecting, anger-saturated college professor whose head is in the sand.
Red pill yourself. You know you want to!
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Here's a few facts:
North Korea has opened dialogue with the US. The President and the SOS, along with the State Dept have been having regular talks and meetings with the NK.
President Trump is the first US President to meet face to face with the NK leader.
Sec Pompeo has made several trips to NK.
The NK has stopped missle firings over the SOJ.
The NK media has been broadcasting to its citizens the meetings with the President and the SOS.
NK has removed all of its anti US propaganda from public display.
Kim has held meetings with the SK President.
NK and SK are working together to open passage of the DMZ.
NK has been returning remains of MIA US soldiers.
NK has released hostages to the US.
The US has placed sanctions on NK. The US President has refused to lift the sanctions. These sanctions are having an impact on NK and the Kim family.
NK is precariously bankrupt. Kim has plundered the nations wealth (and his) on his nuclear program. With tough US sanctions and virtually no industry to rely on, the NK is sinking further financially.
The US has given the NK nothing, only our word that if NK wants to come out of the dark ages and dispense with their nuclear program that the US will work with them and the global community to bring them into the 21st century.
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He doesn't need money. He steals it from his people, who he keeps starving and in line with a giant army.
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Yes, that big dark patch is N Korea. They're so energy insecure that they can't turn on lights at night.
What Lucifer just said about NK being broke makes me realize what bothered me about your post here.
You do realize what money is, right? It's a symbol, nothing more. It represents real life things. Things like resources, products, tangibles. How can he steal money from his people if his people have nothing, if his economy produces nothing? You yourself posted the picture of dark NK. They don't even have enough electric power for minimal living. You're right he is squeezing every last drop of cash from them, but he's scraping the bottom of the barrel. He decreed each citizen collect human shit for fertilizer (NK can't afford to purchase normal fertilizer) and when you cannot come up with 220 pounds of your own shit per day, you fork over cash. Does this sound like a sustainable situation? Kim has got to know somewhere in his pea brain that his only hope is to join the rest of the modern world.
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Truly, they don’t sleep. The insomnia of festering hate.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1101377211670515714
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Michael is clueless. Kim needs money. That's the only reason he's playing ball. He will be back and Trump knows that.
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Michael is clueless. Kim needs money. That's the only reason he's playing ball. He will be back and Trump knows that.
Kim recently had a purge of some of his top military leaders.
Why? Because they were old regime communist. He knew that his negotiations with the west may get him deposed.
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Kim recently had a purge of some of his top military leaders.
Why? Because they were old regime communist. He knew that his negotiations with the west may get him deposed.
Again, that section of the Jordan Peterson video I posted somewheres.... he talks about this EXACTLY. The left purges people who belong to this or that "group" and it's never ending. Even their own. They can parse them out as flawed; leftism always leads to this. We are seeing it in the U.S. right now... anyone who has anything to do with Trump: Go after them!
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Again, that section of the Jordan Peterson video I posted somewheres.... he talks about this EXACTLY. The left purges people who belong to this or that "group" and it's never ending. Even their own. They can parse them out as flawed; leftism always leads to this. We are seeing it in the U.S. right now... anyone who has anything to do with Trump: Go after them!
Exactly... even their own. AOC is putting any Democrat who dares to vote in any way with the Republicans, even on normal procedural processes, "on a list" that will be given to far-left activists.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/congress/ocasio-cortez-threatens-to-put-moderate-democrats-on-a-list-to-be-unseated
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All right out of Saul Alinsky
Marx, Bolsheviks, Cloward Pivenand all the other oppressive, elitist Totalitarian concepts.
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Speaking of Saul, Cohen reminds me of Saul Goodman, the lawyer in Breaking Bad. (Better call Saul)
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Steingar is an idiot that finds comfort in the lies he tells everyone about his skills, education, IQ, talents and experience.
Then he applies those lies to the entire world to narrow the field of vision enough that he can lie to himself about everything once it is filtered through his prism of ignorance.
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Steingar is an idiot that finds comfort in the lies he tells everyone about his skills, education, IQ, talents and experience.
Then he applies those lies to the entire world to narrow the field of vision enough that he can lie to himself about everything once it is filtered through his prism of ignorance.
What do you do when Number 7 throws a hand grenade at you?
Pull the pin and throw it back.
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No wonder his students dispise him with such vehemence....
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https://townhall.com/columnists/chrisneiweem/2019/03/01/democrats-see-president-trumps-wisdom-in-walking-from-north-korea-negotiations-n2542463
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https://townhall.com/columnists/chrisneiweem/2019/03/01/democrats-see-president-trumps-wisdom-in-walking-from-north-korea-negotiations-n2542463
The president "talked but didn't give away anything," he added, noting that this was "the great fear, especially after the Cohen testimony yesterday."
"Joe, I agree with you," said Washington Post columnist David Ignatius, a critic of the president’s foreign policy. "I think as President Trump said, sometimes you have to walk."
I guess it’s just way too obvious and they know they’ll look like idiots if they don’t agree he did the right thing. Sheesh.
Cohen? What’s that supposed to mean? Are they admitting they were trying to rattle Trump by timing the Cohen thing like they did??
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I guess it’s just way too obvious and they know they’ll look like idiots if they don’t agree he did the right thing. Sheesh.
Cohen? What’s that supposed to mean? Are they admitting they were trying to rattle Trump by timing the Cohen thing like they did??
The Cohen clown show in congress was nothing more than a diversion. Nothing of substance came out of it (except Cohen perjured himself several times). The Cohen shit show was suppose to make Trump agree to make a bad deal with NK in order to "save himself". It didn't work.
The dims are desperate. Just like the border funding fiasco, they desperately do not want to see Trump win, or get attention for anything positive. The dims need one or both things to happen before 2020, 1) They need to demoralize his base and/or 2) The economy needs to tank.
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https://www.westernjournal.com/mike-huckabee-naive-mistake-underestimate-trumps-north-korea-tactics/
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https://www.westernjournal.com/mike-huckabee-naive-mistake-underestimate-trumps-north-korea-tactics/
Kim is vulnerable to flattery, has a huge ego and is desperate to be seen as a big shot outside of North Korea. For the president of the United States to agree to travel halfway around the world to be seen in public with him was indeed a big ego stroke for Kim, and one the “expert” diplomats strenuously warned against for years because it would “legitimize” Kim and “give him just what he wants.” But he doesn’t need us to “legitimize” him as North Korea’s dictator and if giving him what he wants that’s nothing but empty flattery gets us something major that we want, then why not give it a try?
Sounds like what Steingar has been saying but with a “So what? What’s wrong with that if it gets us what we want.”
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Sounds like what Steingar has been saying but with a “So what? What’s wrong with that if it gets us what we want.”
Kim has been use to getting something for nothing. Trump walking away sends a clear message that the rules have changed.
Kim has everything to lose here. Every day NK is under sanctions it's squeezing him more and more.
He'll be back to the table.