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Spin Zone / Re: More Ukraine Clusterfuck
« Last post by EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on May 30, 2024, 08:53:32 PM »
Quote from: Jim Logajan on May 30, 2024, 08:49:57 PM
Zelensky declared martial law the morning after Russia invaded this last time. Ukraine's parliament has been voting to extend it every 90 days or it lapses. The last vote to extend Ukrainian martial law for another 90 days was on May 8.

Petro Poroshenko was president of Ukraine before Zelensky and he had declared Ukrainian martial law in 2018 for 30 days after Russia fired upon and seized three Ukrainian naval vessels and their crews.

Russian aggression was the common element in those declarations, not the person who was president at the time and definitely not Blinken.
Got it, so Zelensky was the one that initially declared and you believe Blinken is not pulling the strings over there.
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Spin Zone / Re: More Ukraine Clusterfuck
« Last post by Jim Logajan on May 30, 2024, 08:49:57 PM »
Quote from: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on May 30, 2024, 02:02:40 PM
I think the question is, who declared marshal law?
Zelensky declared martial law the morning after Russia invaded this last time. Ukraine's parliament has been voting to extend it every 90 days or it lapses. The last vote to extend Ukrainian martial law for another 90 days was on May 8.

Petro Poroshenko was president of Ukraine before Zelensky and he had declared Ukrainian martial law in 2018 for 30 days after Russia fired upon and seized three Ukrainian naval vessels and their crews.

Russian aggression was the common element in those declarations, not the person who was president at the time and definitely not Blinken.
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Spin Zone / Re: Trump's NY Trial
« Last post by EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on May 30, 2024, 07:56:43 PM »
Any bets on how quickly Niki strikes and claims she should now be the candidate?
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Spin Zone / Re: More Ukraine Clusterfuck
« Last post by Number7 on May 30, 2024, 07:55:50 PM »
It has nothing to do with bases. You are using anything and everything to avoid the truth, jim.

DEMOCRATS need to stop running wars to keep their donors in the MIC flush with cash from our pockets.
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Spin Zone / Re: More Ukraine Clusterfuck
« Last post by Jim Logajan on May 30, 2024, 07:28:13 PM »
Quote from: Lucifer on May 30, 2024, 08:04:10 AM
Anyone who dares speak the truth you brand as "Putin Talking Points" to try to deflect criticism.  You apparently now support totalitarianism forms of government.  And add in you are now a war monger.
When it comes to Zelensky, you rarely speak the truth. Zelensky, Zelensky, and Zelensky are your main talking points. You constantly make claims that don't stand up under close scrutiny.

All because you need a reason to argue against spending our money to aid Ukraine. I agree that we shouldn't fund some other country's defense. In the case of Ukraine that policy decision should have been made and communicated well before Russia invaded Ukraine. Once a commitment is made and support is later started then any cessation will be taken by an aggressor like Putin as confirmation that he need merely wait out his enemies in all future conflicts. Totalitarian states like China, Iran and North Korea will take away the same lesson.

The US is estimated to have about 750 military bases in 80 countries and there are a mix of implicit and explicit commitments the US has made regarding their use. The US needs to get out of them now - before any fighting starts. This article is worth reading on the problem:
https://thegunzone.com/how-many-us-military-bases-are-there-in-the-world/
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Spin Zone / Re: More Ukraine Clusterfuck
« Last post by Number7 on May 30, 2024, 06:49:57 PM »
Quote from: Jim Logajan on May 30, 2024, 06:30:13 PM
Use of plural "opponents" presumes facts not in evidence. Name one politician, other than Viktor Medvedchuk, who has been arrested?

If banning parties means a country is not a democracy worthy of support, tell me what this action means:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Control_Act_of_1954

Always on the wrong side, jim.

Communists like radical islamists are our sworn enemy. Your jimmy fucking carter impression isn’t working.
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Spin Zone / Re: Trump's NY Trial
« Last post by Number7 on May 30, 2024, 06:48:33 PM »
In the short term people need to refuse to conduct any business in NY.

Truckers with a brain instead of shit for brains need to refuse to deliver goods and companies owned by intelligent humans need to refuse to accept orders.

Next, professionals need to move out and let the city be left for the grifters, criminals, thugs, gang bangers, illegals and other types of democrats.

The boycott needs to be so fucking painful that those at the top feel the pain in the only place they keep their integrity, their wallets.

Then red states need to leave the union and let the parasites eat each other, once those of us that actually know how to produce meaningful work aren’t around to carry those assholes on our shoulders any more.
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Spin Zone / Where Does America Go From Here
« Last post by Number7 on May 30, 2024, 06:37:14 PM »
America as we know it is done.

The communist show trial in NYC is just another in a long series of events that prove the lunatic scum bag left has not only lost their fucking minds, but is desperate to end all freedoms, all constitutional protections and all civil rights and replace them with whatever mentally disturbed bullshit they can dream up.

mikey and jim have been outliers to this phenomenon as they gleefully cheer for anything fascinating and everything that limits, or destroys personal freedom. Jim will run along any second and demand a list of reasons that his posts prove my point, but that is just his only response to avoid meaningful discussion. Like mikey simply makes up the truth as he goes along, jim pretends he is being thoughtful and fair minded while he cheers for dictators and depots.

In that regard jim is like another jim, jimmy carter never met a dictator he didn’t love, just like our jim never met a dictatorial regime he couldn’t rationalize and defend.

It is my conviction that America has to break apart, letting shit hole liberal states continue down their road to total destruction and letting the rest of us kiss their dumb ass bullshit goodbye.
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Spin Zone / Re: Trump's NY Trial
« Last post by nddons on May 30, 2024, 06:34:05 PM »
Quote from: Anthony on May 30, 2024, 05:13:56 PM
We've become Venezuela or worse. Yes, it's that bad. The judge needs to be dealt with.  Legally, of course, with due process, prior to the firing squad.
It is beyond me that neither Jonathan Turley, who sat in the courtroom, nor Alan Dershowitz are able to even cite the crimes for which he was convicted.

Secondly, as this case went on, and the judge clearly violated Trump’s rights, neither of these experts offered how to defeat this judge’s unconstitutional actions.  The ONLY solution is to go down the appeals route?  Fuck that shit.
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Spin Zone / Re: More Ukraine Clusterfuck
« Last post by Jim Logajan on May 30, 2024, 06:30:13 PM »
Quote from: Lucifer on May 30, 2024, 07:55:23 AM
Do you deny the Ukraine legislature is under the control of Zelenskyy, and they have seen him arrest political opposition to him? Dictator Zelensky has jailed his political opponents and uses "Pro-Russian" as his excuse.
Use of plural "opponents" presumes facts not in evidence. Name one politician, other than Viktor Medvedchuk, who has been arrested?

If banning parties means a country is not a democracy worthy of support, tell me what this action means:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Control_Act_of_1954
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