PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Rush on January 19, 2021, 06:48:24 AM
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If so, can you explain these George Floyd autopsy results? Because I don’t understand them.
The first link is the press release stating the manner of death is homicide, by way of the cause of death being his heart and lungs ceasing to function while being restrained.
Stop right there. The cause of death doesn’t even make grammatical sense:
Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression
The heart and lung stopping (death) complicated the arrest, is what that statement says. Well yeah. It sure did. If he hadn’t died it would have been just another day and we never would have heard about it. The subject in that phrase is (death) and the direct object is (the arrest). The death was the thing taking action and the arrest was the object of the action. Not the other way around.
But okay, let’s allow that the examiner has deplorable English language skills and meant it the other way around. Let’s look for clarification.
How injury occurred: Decedent experienced a cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained by law enforcement officer(s)
Oh, there was an injury. Okay now we’re getting somewhere. If the subdual, restraint, and neck compression caused an injury and that injury resulted in cardiopulmonary stoppage, then it is indeed a homicide. I expect to find evidence that the restraint caused the heart/lung stoppage, and wasn’t just associated chronologically with it. So the second link is the full report.
The report has that same illogical phrase right at the top, only now it says it’s the “case title”. You would think they would title it in the beginning with something like “A guy died during the process of being restrained while being arrested,” and indeed, that’s all that sentence means, other than, the whole thing blew up causing riots and civil unrest, so let’s autopsy the guy and find the real cause of death. That’s what a title should be you would think. But the press release takes the case title and just copy/pastes it into the cause of death. Isn’t that kind of like going in with a predetermined conclusion?
Okay whatever. Maybe the convention is to title autopsy results with the result, what do I know? Let’s dig into it and find our evidence of the purported injury that caused George Floyd’s death. Whoops! Right there on page 2:
No life-threatening injuries identified
Now I’m really confused. No indication whatsoever that the restraint and neck compression caused an injury? Or maybe “death” isn’t considered an injury? I do understand that lack of proof isn’t proof of lack, after all, you could die if placed in a room with no oxygen and have no visible injury, but then shouldn’t the conclusion be “undetermined”? Well no, not if there was no other plausible cause of death.
From watching TV I know that medical examiners use all available information about the circumstances surrounding the incident to support their conclusions, not just the physical results of the postmortem examination, and obviously this examiner did that. He basically said, “Because the guy happened to die while the officer’s knee was on his neck, I’m going to conclude that the neck compression was the cause of the death, even though there is no direct proof discoverable in the deceased’s tissues that it was.”
That might not be much of a leap, if there are no other contestants vying for first place in cause of death, but wait, what’s this? George Floyd has 11 ng/dl of fentanyl in his system. That means nothing to me, would that be a fatal level? Later in this report it says that levels as low as 3 ng/dl have been found in fatal cases. Ah ha! It could be a fentanyl overdose! But wait, elsewhere it says that a level of 34 ng/dl is what is needed to cause loss of consciousness.
Which is it? Did George Floyd have nearly 4 times a fatal dose? Or did he have only 1/3 enough just to lose consciousness?
If the fentanyl wasn’t enough to kill him, where is the discussion of that, and where is the discussion of how the neck compression caused death without leaving any evidence whatsoever? It seems to me like the examiner might have slapped the find “homicide” on it because he was scared not to.
Let me make it plain: I want the absolute truth, I do not want something to fit any preconceived bias. When this happened I considered joining the protests myself. I have always advocated against police excessive force and the reason for detaining Floyd in the first place in no way justified what they did. Whatever happened, how they handled it was deplorable. But I want to know the exact and complete truth, whatever it is. I am not looking for the autopsy to exonerate the officer nor am I looking for it to support homicide, I am looking for objective truth.
https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/MNHENNE/2020/06/01/file_attachments/1464238/2020-3700%20Floyd,%20George%20Perry%20Update%206.1.2020.pdf
https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/floyd-autopsy-6-3-20.pdf
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This should make people's stomach's turn.
The worship of this two bit doped up thug is just repulsive.
(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/george-floyd-statue-newark.jpg)
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This should make people's stomach's turn.
The worship of this two bit doped up thug is just repulsive.
(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/george-floyd-statue-newark.jpg)
Mob rule. No different than some African nations.
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Mob rule. No different than some African nations.
We all know it's OK to tear down statues we don't agree with with no penalty whatsoever.
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We all know it's OK to tear down statues we don't agree with with no penalty whatsoever.
Probably cause more "unrest" than the actual killing, but good point.
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How soon does “George Floyd’s birthday” become a federal holiday?
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Rush, bad punctuation.
Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest. Complicating: law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression
Otherwise, this case is an argument against the uneducated being on juries. Clearly post hoc ergo propter hoc. Something happening at the same time is not proof of causality.
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Rush, bad punctuation.
Otherwise, this case is an argument against the uneducated being on juries. Clearly post hoc ergo propter hoc. Something happening at the same time is not proof of causality.
Wow, you’re right. The punctuation changes the meaning!
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This should make people's stomach's turn.
The worship of this two bit doped up thug is just repulsive.
(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/george-floyd-statue-newark.jpg)
The sculptor even left the wife beater on him. SMDH
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The sculptor even left the wife beater on him. SMDH
in your face...
maybe?
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A more accurate version.
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A more accurate version.
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Accurate!
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A more accurate version.
two left hands?
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A testament to the heights of black culture.
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A testament to the heights of black culture.
A subculture. To quote one of my black friends, “Sometimes I just don’t understand my race.”
It’s very unfair to the huge number of blacks that aren’t bitter activists for the media and the left to make it look like all blacks are still oppressed victims of systemic racism, when in fact they are beneficiaries of American free market capitalism. My husband’s boss is a black man doing better in his career than my husband and my husband is doing very well thankyouverymuch. I don’t see that man taking photo shoots of himself with a statue of a criminal, he’s too busy working hard. Not all blacks are still stuck in the ghetto.
Having said that, some still are, and still suffering the consequences of past racist policy. Instead of putting a criminal on a pedestal as if he were the moral equivalent of Rosa Parks (she must be spinning in her grave) just because an idiot cop fucked up his arrest (George Floyd did nothing heroic!), we should be focusing on fixing the economic problems in downtrodden black communities. Wait... some recent president was trying to do just that.
Just like with gays, the radical Marxist far left has appropriated blacks as a “cause” to use for their own gain of power. This results in an understandable backlash from the right and only divides the country rather than coming together to solve problems. Because the elite left don’t give a fuck about police brutality or black lives. If they did, they’d applaud Trump getting black unemployment down to a historic low. And they wouldn’t, with their gun control laws, prevent law abiding blacks from being able to defend themselves against criminals.
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Having said that, some still are, and still suffering the consequences of past racist policy. Instead of putting a criminal on a pedestal as if he were the moral equivalent of Rosa Parks (she must be spinning in her grave) just because an idiot cop fucked up his arrest (George Floyd did nothing heroic!), we should be focusing on fixing the economic problems in downtrodden black communities. Wait... some recent president was trying to do just that.
I'm fairly well convinced that the economic problems are of their own making. I don't work in HR, but I do work with recruiting and interviewing candidates. We cannot get our goal on the number black candidates to even apply to our company but those who do are hired a much higher rate and frequently do extremely well.
Why is this? I say it's because success = opportunity + preparation and it is it in the preparation that the black community fails themselves. When your respected leaders tell you that the system is slanted against you and systemic racism means you're not going to make it, the message received by too many in is "don't even try". They don't and the impact is a much, much higher percentage of black adults being employed at the lower paying, manual labor jobs and that lack of success is driven back to their children as proof that the system is rigged against them. I've said before that the analogy being bandied about is of swimming in a poisoned pond, but they won't recognize that it's their leaders poisoning the pond.
If I'm wrong, someone please prove me wrong.
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A subculture. To quote one of my black friends, “Sometimes I just don’t understand my race.”
It’s very unfair to the huge number of blacks that aren’t bitter activists for the media and the left to make it look like all blacks are still oppressed victims of systemic racism, when in fact they are beneficiaries of American free market capitalism. My husband’s boss is a black man doing better in his career than my husband and my husband is doing very well thankyouverymuch. I don’t see that man taking photo shoots of himself with a statue of a criminal, he’s too busy working hard. Not all blacks are still stuck in the ghetto.
But there's probably a 95% chance he still votes Democrat.
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But there's probably a 95% chance he still votes Democrat.
Since he’s also gay, probably so. He never told me how he votes.
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in contrast to the statue to floyd
https://www.nba.com/celtics/news/sidebar/misc-061721-worcester-set-unveil-statue-celtics-legend-bob-cousy
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It’s very unfair to the huge number of blacks that aren’t bitter activists for the media and the left to make it look like all blacks are still oppressed victims of systemic racism, when in fact they are beneficiaries of American free market capitalism. My husband’s boss is a black man doing better in his career than my husband and my husband is doing very well thankyouverymuch. I don’t see that man taking photo shoots of himself with a statue of a criminal, he’s too busy working hard. Not all blacks are still stuck in the ghetto.
Our lead QC tech is a black woman I've known for 25+ years. A single mother, she came from a near poverty family, yet has worked hard and owns her home and car, etc. Her greatest accomplishment is she put her daughter through undergrad and then JD, her daughter is now an ADA in a large southern city. She knew what it took to provide her daughter with a better life than she has.
That said, she told me she has plenty of cousins and such that have never worked a day in their lives and have just as nice homes and cars as she does as they're quite good at gaming every aspect of government assistance. In fact, some of them deride her for working when she could live just as well off the taxpayers.
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Our lead QC tech is a black woman I've known for 25+ years. A single mother, she came from a near poverty family, yet has worked hard and owns her home and car, etc. Her greatest accomplishment is she put her daughter through undergrad and then JD, her daughter is now an ADA in a large southern city. She knew what it took to provide her daughter with a better life than she has.
That said, she told me she has plenty of cousins and such that have never worked a day in their lives and have just as nice homes and cars as she does as they're quite good at gaming every aspect of government assistance. In fact, some of them deride her for working when she could live just as well off the taxpayers.
Exactly. And her cousins are hurting her by enforcing the stereotype of the lazy black, and the left wants to continue this, and exacerbate this with reparations and even more gimmes that only erode anyone’s ability to be independently productive. Having said that, we do need changes in the communities stuck in the government dependency loop. The answer is largely a great overall economy and bringing production and jobs back to the cities but I don’t know if that’s even possible now. We may be in an unrecoverable spin. Has any great nation ever recovered once its big cities descend into cesspools of criminal gangs and despairing baby mamas, overseen by elite powermongers?
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Gab is killing me this morning.
https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/077/079/445/original/3fa396a89772a70f.mp4
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A nine-year-old!!!
https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/077/143/516/original/ec17e91f97a1d789.mp4
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A nine-year-old!!!
https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/077/143/516/original/ec17e91f97a1d789.mp4
God, I would LOVE to see the response from the school board. That was awesome.
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A nine-year-old!!!
https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/077/143/516/original/ec17e91f97a1d789.mp4
Wow. Except the kid will now be on the FBI’s domestic terrorist list.
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Mob rule. No different than some African nations.
Exactly. Mogadishu. That's where cities have gone and look who is running most of them, either at the top, or behind the scenes. Black Marxist MILITANTS.
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This is the continuation of Fundamental Transformation. DJT was considered an unelectable clown by the Left, he wasn't supposed to win, he was attacked relentlessly as illegitimate because he interfered with their plan.
As he said, "'They' are after 'you'; I'm just in the way."
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This is the continuation of Fundamental Transformation. DJT was considered an unelectable clown by the Left, he wasn't supposed to win, he was attacked relentlessly as illegitimate because he interfered with their plan.
As he said, "'They' are after 'you'; I'm just in the way."
And Trump was EXACTLY CORRECT with that quote.
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This will get whoever did this some serious jail time.
https://twitter.com/ml_buckley/status/1408096553529716738
Now, had they torn down a statue of George Washington, or that horrible racist named Lincoln, it wouldn't even make the news.