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Spin Zone / Re: First Arrest in Govt Leaks
« on: June 05, 2017, 06:09:58 PM »
Her name is "Reality"?    Really??    WTF?

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Spin Zone / First Arrest in Govt Leaks
« on: June 05, 2017, 04:16:46 PM »
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4575094/NSA-contractor-charged-leaking-Russian-hack-report.html

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/05/nsa-contractor-accused-leaking-top-secret-report-on-russian-hacking-efforts.html

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A federal contractor was arrested over the weekend and accused of leaking a top-secret intelligence report on Russian hacking efforts during the 2016 presidential election.

Reality Leigh Winner, 25, appeared in federal court in Augusta, Ga., to face one charge of removing classified material from a government facility and mailing it to a news outlet, the Justice Department said Monday.

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Spin Zone / Re: Terrorist Attacks in London
« on: June 05, 2017, 01:13:45 PM »
Yep and Joy Behar is a comedian.

 And Elizabeth Warren is a native American.

 And Rachel Dolezal is black.

 And Bill Nye is a scientist.

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Spin Zone / Re: Terrorist Attacks in London
« on: June 05, 2017, 01:06:28 PM »
Obama is a devout MARXIST.  He has no time for religion other than Man Made Climate Change which is just another form of Marxism.   

 Agreed.  He's a chameleon for sure, changing himself to met with what will be political expedient in his interest.

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Spin Zone / Re: Terrorist Attacks in London
« on: June 05, 2017, 12:43:53 PM »
Uhhh.... no. Obama is a Christian.

 Or so he claims.  Personally I think it's just another of his many charades.

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Spin Zone / Re: Terrorist Attacks in London
« on: June 05, 2017, 08:48:43 AM »
Before Churchill, there was Neville Chamberlain.  Chamberlain believed in appeasement and as history notes it went vey badly for him.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/chamberlain-and-hitler/

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Spin Zone / Re: U.S. out of Paris Climate Agreement?
« on: June 02, 2017, 02:20:30 PM »
Well, no. There is a temperature response on the multi-decadal time scale to changes in GHG concentrations, it's called the Transient Climate Response or TCR. Of course we have only fairly crude estimates of the TCR, but we definitely can't say with any confidence that no one living today will see any noticeable change. In fact, it's very possible (not certain, but possible) that we already have.

Beyond that, do you really feel that we should not care about the world we leave for our descendants? I certainly don't want to leave this Earth a worse place to live than I came into it. If I knew for certain that GHG emissions were going to make the surface of this planet unlivable for humans 500 years from now but have no noticeable effect during my lifetime, I'd be ethically bankrupt if I argued for business as usual. As it is I think we know enough to be very concerned.

Maybe I misread your paragraph and you're not saying that at all. If so, apologies!

 I haven't seen any real notable changes in my lifetime and I seriously doubt I'll see any before I'm gone.  As humans we are only on this earth for a brief moment.

 As far as to what happens 500 years from now?   Everyone here will be dead and gone.  The succeeding generations will deal with their situation as it comes, just as they have done for the preceding few thousand years.

 I'm not buying into the bullshit of MMGW.  Like I keep saying, just follow the money.   Remove the financial incentives and you'll find no one except some academic types will even care.

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Spin Zone / Re: U.S. out of Paris Climate Agreement?
« on: June 02, 2017, 11:26:15 AM »
No matter who is doing the studying or what is being studied someone will be profiting and the studies will be influenced.  There's just no way around it.

 It's far more than that.  Look at all the schemes, such as "carbon credits" and government subsidizing "green programs". Also look at the industries that will reap reward by having government backing and regulation to require people to use their services.  There is a huge financial gain to this which taints it.  Again, take away the parts that allow people to profit from this and you will see it fold like a cheap lawn chair.


Azure nailed it in his first post.  I'm already biased because I do believe we're having an unreversible, negative impact on the Earth.  But the part I have to admit is that I have no idea how much of an impact or what the consequences will be.  Which is why I say this is a situation that I'd rather be safe than sorry.

 And what about the people that see this for what it is, yet another financial scam?

 And you are "concerned" about the impact.  How old are you?   Are you planning on being around for the next thousand years?   The harsh reality is you or anyone reading this today will be around to see any noticeable change.  In the time frame of climate change (the real climate change) that the earth evolves through it will take thousands of years to have any great impact.

 
Even if we agreed to NOTHING, I think Trump should be part of a group to at least study and address the issue.

 The President is concerned with putting Americans first, job growth, strengthening our borders and securing our country as well as growing the economy, he's made that very clear.

 The previous occupant of the WH didn't have a clue on economic matters, security, foreign relations or anything that benefited Americans, so he ran around hobnobbing with celebrities and talking about MMGW.

 If Europe is so concerned as they pretend to be about MMGW let them pay for it.  Those bastards don't have a problem having the US pay for things they should pay for.   It's time for them to step up to the plate.

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Spin Zone / Re: U.S. out of Paris Climate Agreement?
« on: June 02, 2017, 11:04:19 AM »
Oh, I agree.  Ask the Solyndra folks how that worked out, and people like Al Gore who make money from speaking about it.  I believe he also owned a firm that sold carbon credits.  The other part is the intended, and continued growth of government.  This was another way the liberal/progressive (Dems) could get away with more government, higher taxes, fees, etc, and of course more government employees to administer all of it.     

 Don't forget wealth redistribution. In order to "protect" the less fortunate the government will have to issue "credits" to them via the IRS and other modes.

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Spin Zone / Re: U.S. out of Paris Climate Agreement?
« on: June 02, 2017, 10:51:05 AM »
I have no problem with further studies if they are truly independent, and objective.  When you hear some scientists say that there can be NO MORE debate, or that the "science is settled", that is when I get very skeptical.  Also, I get skeptical when the solution is more big government, and more taxes, fees, surcharges, etc.  Energy is our life's blood.  To artificially increase the cost will have huge, negative economic impacts, and that is exactly what the government solutions are intended to do. 

My client has locations in the UK where half the energy costs are to address "man made climate change".  It is crazy.

Welcome Azure!   Glad you are here!  :)   

 If there was a genuine true concern about MMGW, then remove any way for anyone to profit from it and see how far it goes.

 Follow the money.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4566964/Kathy-Griffin-claims-Trump-family-ruined-life.html


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Kathy Griffin accused President Donald Trump and his family of launching a campaign to destroy her life in response to the image she posted earlier this week in which she appeared to be holding the commander-in-chief's severed head.

The comedian broke down in tears as she detailed the torrent of abuse she has been receiving online, and the constant death threats which she described as detailed and specific.

She stated however that she will not back down from this fight, saying: 'I am not afraid of Donald Trump. He is a bully.'

Later in the interview Griffin said that her career was likely over now as a result of this incident, and that President Trump had 'broke' her, moments after she declared: 'There's a bunch of old white guys trying to silence me!'

Griffin at another point in the press conference declared that this would not be happening to her if she was a 'white man.'

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Spin Zone / Re: U.S. out of Paris Climate Agreement?
« on: June 02, 2017, 07:08:30 AM »
All of these celebrities who are crying their hearts out are fucking hypocrites.

They live in multiple mega mansions (using enough energy to power multitudes of homes), they have pristine lawns (using thousands of gallons of water and pesticides), have multiple large SUV's that devour gas, fly around in large business jets that seat only a few and burn thousands and thousands of gallons of kerosene.   And don't forget their mega yacht vacations, on yachts that burn diesel fuel at rates that will make your head spin.

 Lead by example.  If they suddenly sold off the mansions and got a 2000 sq ft home in the 'burbs, bought an electric or hybrid car, flew coach on the airlines and took a vacation on Carnival Cruise lines then I may listen.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4566030/Arnold-Schwarzenegger-celebrities-Trump-climate-protest.html

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Spin Zone / Re: U.S. out of Paris Climate Agreement?
« on: June 02, 2017, 06:57:07 AM »
There is a HUGE profit potential in MMGW.  OwlGore has already made $million$ promoting this fallacy, and others have caught on.

 Take the profit potential out of it and then see how many will be onboard.

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Spin Zone / Re: U.S. out of Paris Climate Agreement?
« on: June 02, 2017, 06:53:35 AM »
CEOs of some major companies are upset about the pullout, also believing that man-made climate change is real and that we need to be proactive in this area.  CEOs of Dana, Dow Chemical, Pacific Gas and Electric, DuPont, Proctor and Gamble, General Electric, Cargill, Johnson&Johnson, CocaCola, Unilever and dozens of others.  I'm sorry you guys think it's a scam.  I'm just glad that there are some people with influence who don't feel that way.

 And you can't see why they are upset?   Again, follow the money.

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