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Spin Zone / Re: PoA thread about to be locked
« on: August 18, 2021, 11:14:57 AM »
How would he know what this forum is like unless he lurks here. How’s that different from accusing us of lurking there?

Lol, I knew I could goad you all into getting all butthurt about it.  I hadn't logged into this forum since Jan 2020 until I had to explain what TFTMNBN meant on PoA.  Forgot all about this forum's existence, so I suppose that's sort of like "lurking"!  Have fun discussing how bad PoA is and how much you hate Biden/Harris (or whichever RINO is under attack this week)! I'll take my "liberal talking points" elsewhere, whatever the hell that is.

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Spin Zone / Re: Qassem Soleimani executed
« on: January 04, 2020, 10:31:07 AM »
So what's your point in the big picture Sooner?  You come here and instead of discussing issues, you choose to focus on the perceived Conservative leanings here?  You do realize the vast majority of Media, including Entertainment and Social Media is Far Left Progressive, Democrat biased, right?  Do you not recognize that?

What's your objective?  To prove all of our positions invalid because we are all just Right Wing Nutjobs?  Can you actually discuss the content of the issues at any point?

My objective was to be open-minded and dig further to see why some of you thought Reuters was left-biased, as if they were untrustworthy and akin to CNN/NBC/etc. when I hadn't seen much evidence to support such a claim.  I am fully aware that several of the most vocal on this forum are heavily Conservative/Republican, which I don't have a problem with in the least.  I just didn't see evidence that Reuters was left- or right-leaning in any significant amount, so I asked for examples of such.  I also didn't make mention of whether your (or anyone else's) positions were invalid. 

In return, I got told to find support for someone else's argument via google.  Then, a vague article from damn near 2 decades ago with no references in the article.  Finally, I supplied the first two headlines I came across on Reuters which didn't seem to show much, if any, bias toward one political philosophy or another only to be told that the exclusion of one word that they would have preferred means that the whole article is left-wing liberal slanted.  So, in my efforts to uncover some knowledge about Reuters being liberal-biased, I still remain unconvinced.  Finally, I absolutely agree that the majority of media outlets are liberal-biased, no question.  I just didn't lump Reuters into that category (regardless of which parent company owns which media company).

For whatever reason, the go-to argument for several members here who don't toe the conservative line on every event/circumstance are automatically labeled full-fledged liberal Democrats/Socialists.  I'm not sure I understand that sentiment since everyone falls somewhere different on the political scale, it isn't just "you're a conservative" or "you're a liberal".  It's almost hostile at times.

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Spin Zone / Re: Qassem Soleimani executed
« on: January 04, 2020, 09:27:08 AM »

 Of course you don't want to see the obvious.   You asked for an example of bias and I showed it to you.  This is journalism 101.

 By leaving out descriptive words changes the context of the article and leads the reader to believe something that frankly is misleading.

 The writer of the article worded it purposely, and the editor approved it.  Had it remained factual (as news should be) the editor would have insisted on making a few changes.

 As far as the last two paragraphs?  Not related to the story line, and worded in a way to sway opinion.

 But you don't see it.  No matter how it's presented to you, you will still refuse to see the bias in the article.

The only thing you showed is that the article wasn't written to depict what you want it to.  Just because you want to throw in the word "allegedly" to modify it to suit your stance on the whole impeachment doesn't mean that it's factually correct.  The article wan't misleading at all: Trump was impeached in the House for pressuring Ukraine on Joe Biden.  That is a fact.  No need for INCLUDING descriptive words that change the context.  I can understand how the last two paragraphs aren't absolutely necessary, but how does it sway opinion?  You state that it paints Trump in a negative light, but I'm not sure that it made known any opinion on Trump at all, aside from the fact that there exists a similar set of circumstances with Trump as there was during Clinton's impeachment proceedings.  It didn't appear to make any attempt at swaying opinion that I see.  I feel like you're assuming any comparison of Trump and Clinton means that Trump has been slighted in some way.  You presented what you think is left-bias, and I disagree with you.  It's not about how you are presenting it, I just flat disagree with your assumption. 

It also doesn't mean that Reuters doesn't have other examples that may have left-wing bias (or right-wing bias).  I just don't think the two examples I pulled from yesterday's headlines have strong examples of either type of bias.  I would also think that there would have to be a certain percentage of articles which show a given bias to label an entire news organization as "right-bias" or "left-bias".  I'm just not seeing enough evidence to label Reuters as such, so far.

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Spin Zone / Qassem Soleimani executed
« on: January 03, 2020, 06:28:40 PM »
Let's look at this paragraph:

 The author is making a statement of fact, when in reality it should have read "The Democratic-controlled House of Representatives voted in December to impeach Trump for allegedly pressuring Ukraine to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden, a potential rival in the 2020 presidential election". 

 Since the trial has yet to happen, the President does indeed have the presumption of innocence.  The article leads the reader to believe the President is already guilty.

No, it IS a statement of fact.  They voted to impeach him for pressuring Ukraine on the Biden incident.  That is what they impeached him for.  Whether you want to argue if the impeachment was substantiated or not, given the evidence provided, is a different issue.  It would actually be right-biased if they included the “allegedly” modified because it would alter the facts.  He has been impeached by the House, whether truly guilty or not.  When Pelosi finally decides to send the articles of impeachment to the Senate, it won’t say he was impeached for “allegedly” pressuring Ukraine. The Senate then gets to hold a trial to confirm.


 Then we have this thrown in at the end:

 Seems the author is attempting to infer that the latest air strike was done as a stunt by the President to delay the impeachment trial.  However, anyone paying attention to the latest events in Iraq and Iran would see right through this.

 Also, the last 2 paragraphs really have nothing to do with the basis of the article, and are thrown in to discredit Trump to the reader.

There’s nothing that discredits Trump in the last two paragraphs nor does it say anything about a publicity stunt.  You’re reading into something that isn’t there.  Again, it’s a statement of fact that Clinton also had ordered military action during the impeachment proceedings which had little effect on the outcome.  All that says is that the military action from Trump will likely cause little delay or disruption to the current impeachment proceedings.  The link between the latest military engagement was made because the updated impeachment statements from the aforementioned Senators was given after/in response to the press release of the Iranian attack.


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Spin Zone / Re: Qassem Soleimani executed
« on: January 03, 2020, 05:10:07 PM »
No liberal I know is able to detect left bias in any of the media. (well, almost none; Azure has at least acknowledged that it exists, even if she doesn't acknowledge the extent of it).

Lol at no point have I denied or even implied that left-bias in media is nonexistent.  I said I wanted examples that support Reuters as being left-biased in general.  I could pull up articles from CNN or NBC outlets that are so left-biased that they’re unreadable to anyone with a modicum of interest in the facts.


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Spin Zone / Re: Qassem Soleimani executed
« on: January 03, 2020, 02:29:44 PM »
You can find many examples.  Maybe you just don't want to.  It is up to you to counter my claim, or it stands.

ok, fine. One financial and one political (Trump impeachment).  From today.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-fed-barkin/fed-officials-kick-off-2020-with-optimistic-view-of-u-s-economy-idUSKBN1Z21N4

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment/u-s-senate-in-stalemate-over-how-to-proceed-with-trump-impeachment-trial-idUSKBN1Z21W3

Seems pretty neutral to me, I'm not picking up on much of anything right or left.

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Spin Zone / Re: Qassem Soleimani executed
« on: January 03, 2020, 01:42:59 PM »
wrt to bias (a 1 Nov 2019 article):

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-security-extremists/racially-and-ethnically-motivated-terrorism-rose-alarmingly-in-2018-u-s-state-department-idUSKBN1XB4QY

Note the refererence to white supremacist and not specifically calling out other racially motivated terror organizations.

Note the drop in about mass shootings and gun control (which was apropos of nothing in the article).  And note the lack of recognition of our constitutional rights.

I can agree that the drop-in about mass shootings was barely-tangential to the headline topic.  I would, however, disagree that specifically mentioning white supremacist groups while not naming other terror organizations isn't really left-wing biased.  Is highlighting white supremacist groups a left/right issue?  The specific reference to the white supremacy seems to stem from the selected Trump quotation in the article "must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy". 

Why would the article detail any recognition of US Constitutional rights when it was about the rise of ethnic/racial terrorism world wide, and shouldn't have inserted the mass shootings/gun control statement to begin with?  It would seem even less apropos to go into a diatribe about US gun rights.

I appreciate the link and your opinion on it.  I guess my tolerance for what constitutes left/right bias is a bit less stringent.  I certainly can detect 'bias' in the article, even anti-American bias if you want to call it such.  I mostly noticed that the article started off talking about the rise in terrorism incidents worldwide and in the US, then spent the rest of the article quoting the US State Dept.  I don't think that anti-American bias is synonymous with left-wing though. 

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Spin Zone / Re: Qassem Soleimani executed
« on: January 03, 2020, 12:56:59 PM »
I see evidence of it all the time, but I do not save the articles to some file as it is so blatantly obvious, only a Leftist would not acknowledge it.  If you want to prove me wrong, go ahead and do your own research.  Reuters and AP are part of the mainstream media who is obviously leftist biased.  Sorry, you can't support your thinly veiled claim they are not. 

Just for you. 

https://www.aim.org/media-monitor/reuters-anti-american-bias/

While I appreciate the sort-of evidence . . . it's a story from 2003 (16.5 years ago) which doesn't have links to the original source story or anything else.  Have some more recent examples?  I mean, if we're going back into the early 2000's, we can probably get some examples of where CNN wasn't left-wing, lol.

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Spin Zone / Re: Qassem Soleimani executed
« on: January 03, 2020, 10:41:26 AM »
Apparently Reuters hasa "value-neutral approach" which includes not using the word “terrorist” in its stories.

Um, while perhaps "terrorist" is thrown around pretty freely, to not dare use the word is a bit over the top, yes?

Sure, I can see where that might be over the top.  However, I'm not sure how one would classify non-use of that word with being left- or right-biased.  I mean, one could call American troops terrorists depending on which side of the battle you're on.

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Spin Zone / Re: Qassem Soleimani executed
« on: January 03, 2020, 10:39:24 AM »
I personally never noticed a Reuters bias, but I never really paid them particular attention.  According to several sites I checked, Reuters is one of the least biased sites. Of course, that opinion is coming from biased sites.

But your request for examples is awfully difficult to fulfill.  How would you even attempt to do that?  Would you count pro-left vs pro-right articles?  Would you just look for "fake news" taking one side or the other.  Would you count the times they DON"T print something that is negative about "their" side or positive about the "other" side?   Even a biased site can occasionally print an honest article.

They may put two articles side by side to look fair:
They might display an article about a politician on their side convicted of littering and a politician on the other side killing their homosexual lover.  Both are true, right?

I would expect, that if one were to make the claim that a news source (or whatever) is biased "left" or "right", they would be able to supply examples which demonstrate such a consistent bias in their reporting.  I can't prove a null, nor should the onus be on me to prove what someone else is claiming.  I just asked for examples.

I generally view Reuters as neutral, simply because the news they report doesn't usually have much, if any, opinion infused into  it.  They generally just write the facts with little fluff as to the implications of whatever event may have on future endeavors. 

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Spin Zone / Re: Qassem Soleimani executed
« on: January 03, 2020, 09:59:20 AM »
I have seen many instances of both Reuters and AP being left biased.  You can Google or Duck Duck Go as well as I.  Let us know your findings.

So, no support for your claim.  Got it.

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Spin Zone / Re: Qassem Soleimani executed
« on: January 03, 2020, 08:58:42 AM »
AP, like Reuters and the others, is a LEFITST BIASED, anti Trump source.  I won't call them a "news" source any longer.

Not necessarily arguing, but can you cite some examples of how Reuters is "leftist" or "Anti-Trump"?

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Spin Zone / Re: Boeing CEO resigns!
« on: December 23, 2019, 10:40:35 AM »
I knew all of that, but I fail to see how SW could be culpable of anything.  They made a demand of their supplier, and their supplier acquiesced, unwisely as it turned out.

If SWA is a large enough piece of the total revenue for Boeing, I'm sure it can argued and won in court that they had leverage on Boeing.  How much that would translate into culpability and financial liability/restitution is another matter.  Not a lawyer, but I seriously doubt SWA will be spared any injury simply because they are a customer.

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Spin Zone / Re: President Donald Trump Gives America Back Its Lightbulbs
« on: December 23, 2019, 10:36:42 AM »
I can appreciate the "freedom" being returned for light bulb choice.  However, I can't think of a reason to have incandescent bulbs anymore.  I have converted just about every fixture to LEDs and love the instant-on like incandescent bulbs, but the long life of LEDs as well as better range of color selections.  I have no need for "heat" from a bulb, and the CFLs were barely better than the bulbs they replaced.  Especially love the outdoor PAR flood lamps with LEDs.  Those incandescent and halogen bulbs got HOT and burned out quickly.  Haven't touched/replaced a single LED bulb I've installed so far, some going on 3-4 years.

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Spin Zone / Re: PoA does it again.
« on: December 16, 2019, 10:14:27 AM »
I’m bowing out, gents (and ladies). I’ve spent way more time responding to this thread that I could have imagined was necessary from what I consider to be a fairly innocuous comment.  I’ll get back to my agenda and virtue signaling right after I figure out what agenda and virtues I want to signal.  I’ll still lurk and respond when I feel called to do so, and hope that it doesn’t involve another ride on the crazy train, lol.

Special thanks to Becky, Rush, and LJ for providing constructive and civil responses.


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