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Spin Zone / Re: Would you support overturning Roe-v-Wade?
« on: April 19, 2017, 12:27:17 PM »


Close your eyes and imagine a 250lbs sweaty black man holding a knife to your 10 year old daughters throat, pulling down her panties and thrusting himself into her over and over again. She resists and he hits her with the back of the knife, shattering her cheek and jaw-bone. She barely survives. And your response will be to tell her that she now has to carry that baby to term.


Always the corner case with you people.

Beyond that, you disturb me.

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Provide them with enough resources to not force them into a life of crime, and opportunities for those who are able to become productive members of society to do so.

This has nothing to do with being altruistic or charitable, but acknowledging the fact that there are people who just has nothing to offer to society. Whether they are born incapable, rendered incapable, lazy or otherwise unmotivated, or have skills that are simply obsolete.

We've always had a society where there are individuals who do not contribute. We're always going to have that. We can chose to deal with them as criminals if we want, and confine them to prison or forced labor... but that costs the same as just supplying basic resources outright in the first place. If that even worked I would be all for it. But it doesn't.

In the end I just want to be left alone to live my life in peace. I don't want to be surrounded by people who have basic needs but not means - because that impacts my safety, and frankly my lifestyle. If that implies paying another 5% in taxes, then so be it. I'm either going to write them a check, or I'm going to write a check to someone else to protect me against them. But either way, they're not going to go away.
This is the biggest canard of all time. There are places around this country with more severe poverty than you will ever see in some inner cities.  Yet they aren't riddled with people committed to a life of crime. Look at rural Appalachia, Mississippi, and elsewhere.

So what "resources" do the poor need that they don't have today so as to prevent them from becoming habitual criminals?  More Obama phones?  More TVs?  More air conditioning?  Relax the food stamp rules so they can buy booze? 

Your line of thinking is precisely why we are $20 trillion in debt, with no end in site to deficit spending so that politicians can say "Look, we did something. Now give me your vote."

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Spin Zone / Re: Colorado cuts teen births and abortion rates in half
« on: April 17, 2017, 07:22:06 AM »
I am somewhat surprised we haven't seen a coup, or uprising in Venezuela yet as things are very bad there.  Of course our media doesn't report so much on the failure of communism in places like Venezuela, and Cuba.  The Hollywood, and media types are too busy idolizing Che Guevera, Castro, and Chavez.  If their murderous, corrupt practices, and ideology was put on display, their little Utopian Bubble would be burst. 

If these places were such utopias of Rainbows, and Unicorns why do so many people want to get out?
The LA Times had an article yesterday discussing the Venezuelan opposition leader:

http://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-venezuela-capriles-2017-story.html

Venezuela has the opportunity to be prosperous and self-sustaining with all of their oil and potential for tourism. This is what a true socialist government looks like.

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I paid over $100'000 in federal taxes this year.

I also paid $75k to date for a war that I did not want anything to do with, and apparently I owe another $150k on it.

Pardon my skepticism, but . . .
 ::)

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I paid over $100'000 in federal taxes this year.

I also paid $75k to date for a war that I did not want anything to do with, and apparently I owe another $150k on it.

Why do I have to pay for your agenda, when you don't have to pay for mine? Here's a thought - give me my war money back and I'll donate 50% of that to the charity of your choice.

Strawman, stay on topic.    If you truly paid $100,000 in fed taxes, first welcome to the club, second, my proposal is well within your capabilities, another 40% is easier for you than for most.  It's your idea, pay for it, show the world you are serious.  And rather than trying to force the rest of us, who think your idea is crap, to pay for it, get your progressive buddies to pay up too.

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I paid over $100'000 in federal taxes this year.

I also paid $75k to date for a war that I did not want anything to do with, and apparently I owe another $150k on it.

Why do I have to pay for your agenda, when you don't have to pay for mine? Here's a thought - give me my war money back and I'll donate 50% of that to the charity of your choice.

Our Constitution calls for national defense, not a lot for "your agenda".  You can make an argument that the wars Obama continued, or started are not necessary for defense.  I will agree that a lot of the war on drugs, and war on terror is an excuse to grow government, and raise taxes on working people.  Try to roll back the Bush, and Democrats' Dept of Homeland Security, and other unnecessary crap, and see how both parties howl that we are making the country unsafe.   

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To answer  the question in your title, it is not ok and enough is enough.  Time for us to continually practice our 2nd amendment rights by concealed carry. 

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. If that implies paying another 5% in taxes, then so be it. I'm either going to write them a check, or I'm going to write a check to someone else to protect me against them.

Spoken like someone who pays very little in taxes.  Here's an idea, the treasury accepts donations beyond what you owe in taxes. Put action to your idealism and pay more voluntarily, and why stop at 5%, try an additional 40% of your gross income.   Urge the rest of your progressive buddies to do the same.  If you all put your money where your mouth is there would be no need for the rest of us to be forced to pay for your misplaced ideals.

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a) Kill the unemployables outright
b) Tax the employable people and give the unemployables a basic income
c) Have the unemployables starve to death and secure yourself against uprising by using deadly force
d) Regulate industry and force them to hire otherwise unemployables, even though automation is cheaper (i.e. Tax the corporations).


Capitalists favor (c) and (d).

It accomplishes the same thing in the end.
First, welcome.
Second; You are so full of shit.

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Spin Zone / Re: Mother . . .
« on: April 14, 2017, 04:58:36 PM »
Obama's strategy was surrender.

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Spin Zone / Re: Mother . . .
« on: April 14, 2017, 03:10:32 PM »
She has a point.  The occasional missile strike or bomb drop is no substitute for a cogent military strategy.  I am glad to see the Taliban and their ilk get theirs, and I am all for giving the military latitude, so long as they aren't butchering civilians.  But what is he actually aiming at?

Given that its the Cheeto Jesus, that is a very hard call indeed.  But dropping bombs is easy.  Wining wars is quite a bit harder.  How long have we been in Afghanistan?  It has been called the Graveyard of Empires for good reason.
So what you and Lizzy want are for us to announce our battle plans for the world to see so they can change their tactics. Perfect. Nothing like announcing a surge and simultaneously announcing your withdrawal date like Obama announced to the world.

I just googled Elizabeth Warren and strategy and got nothing prior to the past few weeks. Surely such a strategist was asking the same ducking questions of Obama over the last 8 years, wasn't she? 

Come to think of it, I don't recall you demanding that Obama set forth his strategy either.

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Spin Zone / Re: Colorado cuts teen births and abortion rates in half
« on: April 13, 2017, 01:14:20 PM »
Why do you have to pay?  Because we don't like throwing kids out on the street to starve.  Makes us feel bad about ourselves.

Classic liberal logic. "YOU have to pay to make US feel better about ourselves."

Here is you defining what is bad (throwing kids out on the street to starve), declaring it makes you feel bad, and then telling me I have to fork over the money.  Or are you making the assumption that I too feel bad about throwing kids on the street to starve?  And even if I did that I would think your solution is the best one? Maybe I don't. Maybe I don't care.  Or MAYBE I care but I give my money to private charities, or even walk around the downtown streets handing out cash to homeless teens.  It's really none of your business what my moral compass is; the reality here is you are justifying forcibly taking my money from me - the hours of my labor to earn it - and spending it as YOU see fit. 

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You'll pay either way.  It just that the contraceptive costs you way less than the kid.

As I stated in this thread already. I'd be forced to agree with the program if it did prove effective, in lieu of supporting the welfare generations downstream.  That doesn't make it right.

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Spin Zone / Re: Kennedy May Retire Next
« on: April 12, 2017, 07:31:19 AM »
Are you kidding me?  The Dems will scream like stuck pigs if Trump gets to nominate either or both of Kennedy's and Ginsburg's replacements.

I predict that Dems will try to invoke and expand the Biden Rule and say Trump has no right to get a nominee confirmed with "only" three years left in his term.

Get the popcorn out for this one.

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Spin Zone / Re: President Trump Bombs Syrian Poison Gas Bases
« on: April 10, 2017, 04:57:34 PM »
I counted at least two messages from Trump:

(1) "If you must kill civilians, do it by blasting their bodies to bits the way civilized people do, not by using chemical neurotoxins."
(2) "Policy? Policy!? I don't need no stinking consistent policy!"
You're right. The better course of action would have been the status quo:

1.  Issue strongly worded condemnation.
2. Take hashtag selfie #bring back our Syrians; post on internet.
3. Join UN in anti-Israel resolution.


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Spin Zone / Re: More sabre rattling, or cause for real concern?
« on: April 10, 2017, 04:19:08 PM »
Trump Unicorns.
Trump Derangement Syndrome victim

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