PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Sleepingsquirrel on January 04, 2016, 11:51:12 PM
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I'd like to hear others take on the standoff in Oregon .
Spoiled Ranchers mooching off the rest of us or Government overreach?
Will this get its own TFR?
Would you violate this TFR to drop supplies?
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I find it amazing that obama and his cronies can demand that everyone use discretion when calling the thugs burning down Baltimore and Ferguson,,, thugs, but want to go nuclear when the BLM steals land, and violates their own rules.
Typical progressive hypocrisy.
What would be the worst that could happen if the federal government IGNORED the clowns out west? We are talking about cabin in the literal middle of nowhere.
Nothing, No cities were / are being burned, no one's business is being destroyed, and no one is hurt, so why not leave them out int eh cold, literally?
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I'd like to hear others take on the standoff in Oregon .
Spoiled Ranchers mooching off the rest of us or Government overreach?
Will this get its own TFR?
Would you violate this TFR to drop supplies?
There's two separate issues at play here. The first is the Hammonds, which were sentenced by a federal judge, served their sentence and then were re-sentenced after federal prosecutors appealed the sentence to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. The original sentence didn't meet the federal mandatory minimums so the 9th Circuit re-sentenced them to the full minimums, less time already served. The Hammonds reported back to federal prison on Monday to serve the remainder of their sentences.
The second issue are the militia men. Bundy and his group showed up and occupied an empty building, which basically amounts to a park headquarters. They're protesting what they claim to be the government overreach (owning and mis-managing so much land, especially out west). There's a lot of backstory to the whole situation.
I'm indifferent to the whole thing. I think the Hammonds' whole situation is messed up and I think the militia men are choosing the wrong battle. Either way, neither the militia men nor the government want another Ruby Ridge or Waco.
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What would be the worst that could happen if the federal government IGNORED the clowns out west? We are talking about cabin in the literal middle of nowhere.
To be fair, there are a lot of claims of abuses by the federal government towards ranchers out west and the mis-management by the BLM of federal lands. Further, they aren't causing any harm or damage, they just happen to be armed which is what is making people call them crazy and what not.
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As an aside, I'm on a couple of "skeptic's" forums*. They tend to lean liberal/left for whatever reason.
The hate and vitriol coming out on this issue is kind of depressing to me. I do not back the occupiers in any way, but comments about having them come out in body bags, even if in jest, are in terribly poor taste.
*www.internationalskeptics.com (http://www.internationalskeptics.com)
www.sguforums.com (http://www.sguforums.com)
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As an aside, I'm on a couple of "skeptic's" forums*. They tend to lean liberal/left for whatever reason.
The hate and vitriol coming out on this issue is kind of depressing to me. I do not back the occupiers in any way, but comments about having them come out in body bags, even if in jest, is in terribly poor taste.
*www.internationalskeptics.com (http://www.internationalskeptics.com)
www.sguforums.com (http://www.sguforums.com)
what? liberals aren't all about love, happiness, and rainbows?
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As an aside, I'm on a couple of "skeptic's" forums*. They tend to lean liberal/left for whatever reason.
The hate and vitriol coming out on this issue is kind of depressing to me. I do not back the occupiers in any way, but comments about having them come out in body bags, even if in jest, are in terribly poor taste.
*www.internationalskeptics.com (http://www.internationalskeptics.com)
www.sguforums.com (http://www.sguforums.com)
I thought liberals were compassionate.
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what? liberals aren't all about love, happiness, and rainbows?
Nothing could be farther from the truth.
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To be fair, some of the snide comments are pretty funny.
Like, the occupiers are hoping for martyrdom, so in heaven they can get their 72 cousins!
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http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/post_227.html
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http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/post_227.html
Interesting perspective.
Thanks.
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http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/post_227.html
Thanks. He's clearly passionate about this. This has gotten national attention now and I hope the militia men see this, that someone in Washington is making an effort. Let's see if anything comes of it. I think the militia men are still occupying the refuge.
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Read that whole article yesterday, thanks for posting it. Makes me realize how unwilling the masses seem these days to read THE WHOLE STORY and form THEIR OWN OPINION. The soundbite/tweet world lends itself to polarizing shallowness. >:(
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What would be the worst that could happen if the federal government IGNORED the clowns out west? We are talking about cabin in the literal middle of nowhere.
To be fair, there are a lot of claims of abuses by the federal government towards ranchers out west and the mis-management by the BLM of federal lands. Further, they aren't causing any harm or damage, they just happen to be armed which is what is making people call them crazy and what not.
So what?
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Why do the Feds own so much land in sovereign states, especially out West? That isn't their purpose.
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Why do the Feds own so much land in sovereign states, especially out West? That isn't their purpose.
It would be nice if President Cruz would address that question. :yes:
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All I know is if they acted identically except calling out Allah Akbar! you'd be quick to call them terrorists.
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All I know is if they acted identically except calling out Allah Akbar! you'd be quick to call them terrorists.
Are they hurting anyone like terrorists do that shout Allah Akbar? Has anyone died, or been hurt? NO. Its PEACEFUL. Its not the same at all. Get a freakin clue.
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Why do the Feds own so much land in sovereign states, especially out West? That isn't their purpose.
Where, in Article I, Section 8, does it give the FedGov the power to own all that land?
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All I know is if they acted identically except calling out Allah Akbar! you'd be quick to call them terrorists.
Your bigotry is showing... as usual...
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Why do the Feds own so much land in sovereign states, especially out West? That isn't their purpose.
The need a place to store all the captured UFOs away from prying eyes.
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All I know is if they acted identically except calling out Allah Akbar! you'd be quick to call them terrorists.
That's as dumb as saying that we don't like Obama's policies because he is black.
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Seems the government couldn't make it stick.
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/oregon_standoff_verdicts_annou.html
It is soooo clear to me now that the mainstream media is the fourth branch of government. I had to google this news
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Of course. There was very little to this in the first place.
If you read some of the things that BLM is doing, it is an abomination. I wonder how many people know that the whole thing started over a rancher doing a back burn on his property and it got a little out of control, burning a few acres into the government land? For that he was convicted for arson and the whole thing was pushed by a BLM official and her husband (who just happened to be her boss). Actually, if you wanted to be fair, he was convicted because of having arguments with the BLM official over ownership of his land. He wanted to own it and they didn't want him to.