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Not arguing with the intent of the definition you posted, but it's different than the legal standard:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2381

I also agree that they're required to adhere to all laws and regulations, but there are other laws on the books that would be more applicable. Treason is a very serious charge that isn't thrown around lightly, and likely wouldn't even be considered in this case unless there is actual proof that meets the legal standard.

I'm also aware of what the definition of sequester means and it doesn't apply here. These individuals would have to be detained or arrested, and that also requires meeting a legal threshold and even then, that would have to be done by law enforcement. Unless there's another authority out there that allows sequestration of individuals under investigation, that's not going to happen.

 Your arguments are without merit, and are oblivious to the facts.

 An attempt to undermine the President and his administration by leaking the information from classified meetings would meet the thresh hold of treason.

 These individuals took an oath of office, then they received comprehensive training on the various codes that prohibits them from releasing classified information without going through a protocol.  And in that protocol it discusses releasing any information from classified meetings, and specifically discusses leaking of information and the consequences.

 Plus, there is detailed training called "Cooperating with the Inspector General" which details what the IG can do and what an employee must do in the event of an IG investigation.   Trust me, if this guy (IG) or his subordinates decides to sequester (and this is a proper use of the word) an individual in a closed conference room in an attempt to get down to the facts, and that person refuses, it's a removal of all credentials and an escort off the premises by armed security.  And that's only the beginning.

 

15407
I don't know who was in that meeting but it obviously had high level officials so good luck "sequestering" them (which likely isn't even legal, and isn't called "sequestering"). It's also a bit of hyperbole to call it "treason". While there's no excuse for violating national security laws, leaks are nothing new. I'm all for an investigation and to start enforcing the laws. I think it's needed and will send a message that leaks won't be tolerated. We'll see how John Bolton handles it.

 trea·son
ˈtrēzən
noun
the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.

the action of betraying someone or something.
plural noun: treasons

 Depending on how you want to look at it, the purpose of the leaks are to undermine the head of our government, the President.  It's also an action of betrayal.

 And these officials that attended the meeting are employees of the federal government and they fall under guidelines of handling classified information as well as protocol of meetings with regards to releasing unauthorized information.

 So yes, an IG can investigate and sequester individuals that have compromised the rules.

 BTW, the definition of sequester

se·ques·ter
səˈkwestər
verb
1.
isolate or hide away (someone or something).

15408
Spin Zone / Re: Another $20mil wasted by BO. Here come the 'caravan'
« on: April 06, 2018, 07:10:12 AM »
Guys, we have a police force and a court system. Like them or not, the job function of the LEO is to enforce laws. NG/AR is NOT a police force.

 Who has claimed the NG/AR is a police force??

15409
Good read.

 The corruption of Sessions, Rosenstein and Mueller, among others, is staggering.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/04/here-it-is-the-10-different-reasons-the-mueller-investigation-is-unconstitutional/


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Spin Zone / Re: Pelosi on Trump's National Guard Move
« on: April 05, 2018, 02:24:33 PM »
Honestly I'm surprised that some AG's haven't filed suit and gotten some judge in Hawaii to stop him.

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http://dailycaller.com/2018/04/05/trump-national-security-leaks/

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As much of the national security establishment pushes back against President Donald Trump’s calls for a swift withdrawal from Syria, officials are again leaking details of the president’s classified meetings to the media.

The president recently stated that the U.S. will be leaving Syria “very soon,” but the Pentagon, State Department, and CIA reportedly all support long-term involvement in Syria, with senior leadership expressing concerns about the ramifications of a hasty withdrawal from the war-torn country. The president became “testy” and signaled “his patience is running out” on the Syria issue during a meeting with the National Security Council at the White House Tuesday, CNN and The Associated Press, citing officials familiar with the situation but not “authorized” to discuss it, reported.

 Everyone who was in that meeting should be sequestered and put under investigation by the DoJ.   I welcome John Bolton's arrival as NSA to the WH, because Bolton will not tolerate this treasonous crap.

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Spin Zone / Pelosi on Trump's National Guard Move
« on: April 05, 2018, 02:04:53 PM »
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/laurettabrown/2018/04/05/pelosi-says-trump-is-squandering-resources-with-needless-militarization-of-the-border-n2468176

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House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) slammed Trump Thursday over his decision to deploy the National Guard along the southwest border.

“His needless militarization of the border is motivated purely by political calculation, not our national security,” Pelosi claimed.

 Seems the senile old hag has forgotten that her beloved Obama as well as GWB also deployed NG to the southern border while they were in office.

 And we would all like to hear why the democrat party is so opposed to National Security?

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Spin Zone / Re: Expect Rabid Mouth Foaming Today from Progressives
« on: April 04, 2018, 02:52:36 PM »
There was little more eye opening than going to Real Clear Politics the week after the 11/16 election to see just how wrong and misleading nearly every pole was, and the fallacy of using the RCP average to smooth out the results.

True.

 Any CNN/ABC/CBS/WashPo/NYT/NBC poll is pure garbage and usually laughable.

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Spin Zone / Re: Expect Rabid Mouth Foaming Today from Progressives
« on: April 04, 2018, 02:40:03 PM »
I wish it were easy to find a poll that accurately describes the mood of Americans on key policy issues, as well things like congress, the senate and the president.

If one did, the left would demonize it as racist and the press would either refuse to publish it, or change the data like global warming whores.

Rasmussen and IBD are two very accurate polls that have had a long history of accuracy.  Of course since Rasmussen is showing very favorable numbers to the President, the MSM is bashing them.

 Polls that are MSM sponsored are merely propaganda tools, and as witnessed are nowhere near even being accurate.  And another purpose of the MSM polls is to drag down the averages on the cumulative poll data on such sites as real clear politics.

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Spin Zone / Re: Expect Rabid Mouth Foaming Today from Progressives
« on: April 04, 2018, 10:33:38 AM »
Especially when they don't support your position.


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Spin Zone / Re: Another $20mil wasted by BO. Here come the 'caravan'
« on: April 04, 2018, 10:10:49 AM »
Or, they must vote Republican.

LOL...

 Seriously, I think that's a great proposal.  Give them citizenship but no right to vote for 25 years.   Think the Dems would go for it?   Of course not!   That one caveat defeats the entire purpose for the dems to support them.

 Which, just like the dreamers, proves once again the dems don't give one shit about illegals or immigration, it's all about votes and power.

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Spin Zone / Re: Another $20mil wasted by BO. Here come the 'caravan'
« on: April 04, 2018, 09:55:11 AM »
What happened really wasn't any President's doing.  Used to be Mexicans came north seasonally to work in the agricultural sector, and whatever other jobs they could find.  Lots of times folks would just rush the border crossing, overcome whatever security was in place and make a run for it.  Saw it happen with my own eyes.  Mostly worked, so people could move pretty dependably back and forth.  They didn't stay, and they didn't bring their families.

The border rushes got on the news, and made INS look bad.  Things were tightened up big time.  You couldn't dependably get across the border anymore, but the jobs were all still there, and they paid better than anything these folks could get in Mexico. So the migrants brought their families and stayed.  And here we are.

I truly don't see a way that you're going to prevent people from going from where there are no jobs to where there are jobs, especially when the agricultural economies of the southwest depend on them.

 If these people wish to come to the US to work, there is a legal way to do it.  Even if they only wish to do seasonal, agricultural labor, there is still a legal way to do it.

 If employers wish to hire foreigners to work in seasonal, agricultural jobs, there is a legal way to do it.

 The US borders are there for a reason, and we have laws that regulate the borders as well as for people lawfully entering the country, and laws that deal with those illegally entering the country.

 Finally, I heard this recently, I believe this was from Rush Limbaugh.  Let's grant amnesty for everyone that's here illegally in the US right now, and make everyone of these people a citizen.  With one exception, they will not be allowed to vote for the next 25 years.

 Think the democrats would get on board with that one? 

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That's gonna leave a mark.......

http://dailycaller.com/2018/04/03/tucker-jorge-ramos-trump/

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“Literally, something like 85 percent of our immigrants are nonwhite,” Tucker shot back. “It’s not a question of white or nonwhite. It’s a question of whether Mexico gets to use the United States as its welfare system. By the way, there were two black Mexicans just deported from Mexico, ’cause they were black, to countries they’ve never been to. That’s what it’s like to be African-American in Mexico. So, let’s just stop with the race stuff.”


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Spin Zone / Re: Another $20mil wasted by BO. Here come the 'caravan'
« on: April 02, 2018, 10:51:10 AM »
Also Humvees with .50 cals mounted.  Not that I am condoning violence.

 Go to Mexico's southern border and try to sneak across.  I will guarantee you will see armed guards and automatic weapons, and you will be detained.

 Of course this applies to english speaking gringos.

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Spin Zone / Re: Another $20mil wasted by BO. Here come the 'caravan'
« on: April 02, 2018, 10:30:40 AM »
Several Apache helicopters patrolling the border armed with orders to shoot will get their attention.

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