PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 04, 2021, 02:53:47 PM
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Just curious if anyone knows of a vaccine that fails to inhibit the spread of a virus. (I'm not referring specifically to covid-19 vaccines)
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Just curious if anyone knows of a vaccine that fails to inhibit the spread of a virus. (I'm not referring specifically to covid-19 vaccines)
Well, in cats, FIV (Feline immunodifficiency virus) is about 50% effective. So an immunized cat can still get and spread the disease.
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No vaccine can prevent transmission of a virus. Viruses go where they will. What a vaccine can do is minimize an infection cycle, and at that they're really good. When the virus invade the body it finds an already primed immune system and can't get a good foothold. That's especially important for a virus like COVID, that can infect many many different cell types. The Polio vaccine didn't immediately stop the spread of the virus. But you got a very minor disease vs. paralysis. For COVID you might get some cold symptoms, but you aren't going to the hospital.
We're in a very, very new situation that we've never been in before as a nation and as a species. We have a dangerous new virus against which we've just developed a vaccine. Immunized people can still get and transmit the virus, but they won't be badly affected by it. We haven't seen this previously because the vaccines in common use had been in common use for decades. When they were first introduced the same situation applied. Now it is far harder for the viruses to get a foothold because there are so many vaccinated people.
At least there used to be. Because of the antiscience movement which seems to garner wide support on this site lots of folks aren't vaccinated. There are routinely huge outbreaks of infectious viral disease all over the Western world. As antiscoience spreads, and it will, there will be fewer and fewer vaccinated people. And viral disease will become that much more prevalent.
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For COVID you might get some cold symptoms, but you aren't going to the hospital.
Tell that to the families of the people who have died after the injection.
We're in a very, very new situation that we've never been in before as a nation and as a species. We have a dangerous new virus against which we've just developed a vaccine. Immunized people can still get and transmit the virus, but they won't be badly affected by it. We haven't seen this previously because the vaccines in common use had been in common use for decades. When they were first introduced the same situation applied. Now it is far harder for the viruses to get a foothold because there are so many vaccinated people.
Now you veer off into the leftist talking points
At least there used to be. Because of the antiscience movement which seems to garner wide support on this site lots of folks aren't vaccinated. There are routinely huge outbreaks of infectious viral disease all over the Western world. As antiscience spreads, and it will, there will be fewer and fewer vaccinated people. And viral disease will become that much more prevalent.
"Anti-science" to you is anyone who doesn't agree with you highly biased opinion.
If you truly knew anything about science you would welcome other viewpoints. But you're nothing more than an activist with a diploma.
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No vaccine can prevent transmission of a virus. Viruses go where they will. What a vaccine can do is minimize an infection cycle, and at that they're really good. When the virus invade the body it finds an already primed immune system and can't get a good foothold. That's especially important for a virus like COVID, that can infect many many different cell types. The Polio vaccine didn't immediately stop the spread of the virus. But you got a very minor disease vs. paralysis. For COVID you might get some cold symptoms, but you aren't going to the hospital.
We're in a very, very new situation that we've never been in before as a nation and as a species. We have a dangerous new virus against which we've just developed a vaccine. Immunized people can still get and transmit the virus, but they won't be badly affected by it. We haven't seen this previously because the vaccines in common use had been in common use for decades. When they were first introduced the same situation applied. Now it is far harder for the viruses to get a foothold because there are so many vaccinated people.
At least there used to be. Because of the antiscience movement which seems to garner wide support on this site lots of folks aren't vaccinated. There are routinely huge outbreaks of infectious viral disease all over the Western world. As antiscoience spreads, and it will, there will be fewer and fewer vaccinated people. And viral disease will become that much more prevalent.
The bolded statement, I do not understand. The average age of death of a covid victim is the same as the average lifespan. So collectively, it's not making a damn bit of difference in our species. Or maybe it's improving us, culling the weak. Covid is only dangerous to very old people and people who are already sick with underlying conditions. There are rare exceptions but when have we ever made sweeping policy on the outlier exceptions? Don't answer that, we do it all the time. Policy is made on the public's perception of risk, not real risk. This is why we spend $$Billions retrofitting tank cars that carry crude and ethanol to increase their jacket thickness by 1/16" even though virtually no one has been killed by tank car explosions, yet we have no problem transporting corn syrup in tanks all over the place so it can kill millions with diabetes.
Given that we had the Black Plague, how can you say we're in a dangerous new situation we've never been in before? Relative to that, we're not in any situation at all. Those people would laugh us out of town.
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Given that we had the Black Plague, how can you say we're in a dangerous new situation we've never been in before? Relative to that, we're not in any situation at all. Those people would laugh us out of town.
just in case POS say that none of US have been through this... don't forget about the Hong Kong flue
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Tell that to the families of the people who have died after the injection.
Dwarfed completely by the number of people who have died of COVID.
"Anti-science" to you is anyone who doesn't agree with you highly biased opinion.
Antiscience fall sunder a number of categories. Used to be restricted to the Creationists, but it has spread and given rise to the anitvaxxer movement, which is now affecting the rollout of the COVID vaccine. And of course the climate science deniers, the majority population of this board.
If you truly knew anything about science you would welcome other viewpoints. But you're nothing more than an activist with a diploma.
I am always open to new viewpoints, or at least I try to be. Those viewpoints should be documented in some way, or based on some expertise. What I'm not open it are the nitwit conspiracy theories of which you seem to be particularly enamored.
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Dwarfed completely by the number of people who have died of COVID.
Died FROM covid or died WITH covid?
And you say "dwarfed". If we used real data and compared the two, the real actual covid deaths were miniscule to the hyper inflated media claims. Covid has a survival rate of 99.9%.
Antiscience fall sunder a number of categories. Used to be restricted to the Creationists, but it has spread and given rise to the anitvaxxer movement, which is now affecting the rollout of the COVID vaccine. And of course the climate science deniers, the majority population of this board.
I am always open to new viewpoints, or at least I try to be. Those viewpoints should be documented in some way, or based on some expertise. What I'm not open it are the nitwit conspiracy theories of which you seem to be particularly enamored.
Your an idiot with a diploma, nothing more. You spend most of your time plagiarizing and then trolling forums looking for fights. Your MO is the same whether it's here or elsewhere. Probably a result of little man syndrome.
When I want a real scientific viewpoint I'll seek out a real scientist, not some activist with a diploma that can't even teach the subject he's charged to teach.
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Died FROM covid or died WITH covid?
As a thought experiment, consider the hypothetical of every single person in the US getting a COVID-19 vaccination in 2021. From the CDC Wonder database, we can expect some 3 million people to die this year from all causes.
That would be 3 million vaccinated people (in this hypothetical where everyone is vaccinated) dying.
Did they die because of the vaccination or with the vaccination?
Having said that, consider the fact that there have been excess deaths in the past 12-14 months. It is entirely reasonable to think that many/most of the excess deaths is due to covid-19. However, given how the data is being reported, it is also reasonable to think that at least some of the covid-19 related deaths were not *caused* by covid-19. Therefore, the number of covid-19 deaths is an upper bound on the number that were actually caused by covid-19. Therefore, any calculation of CFR using that number would be an upper bound on the actual CFR.
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We're in a very, very new situation that we've never been in before as a nation and as a species.
No we're not. Bubonic plague, cholera, polio, smallpox, spanish flu, asian flu, hong kong flu, AIDS, sars-cov-1, MERS, ebola....I'm quite sure I've missed at least one. The only unique thing is that it spread before we knew it was recognized and that isn't really unique.
This isn't even a new situation in this century.
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I am always open to new viewpoints, or at least I try to be. Those viewpoints should be documented in some way, or based on some expertise. What I'm not open it are the nitwit conspiracy theories of which you seem to be particularly enamored.
Do you have a confirmation bias? If someone suggests that the cosmos (like the sun) might change the climate more than man does, do you automatically categorize that as conspiracy theory, or do you objectively listen to what he has to say?
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No vaccine can prevent transmission of a virus. Viruses go where they will. What a vaccine can do is minimize an infection cycle, and at that they're really good. When the virus invade the body it finds an already primed immune system and can't get a good foothold. That's especially important for a virus like COVID, that can infect many many different cell types. The Polio vaccine didn't immediately stop the spread of the virus. But you got a very minor disease vs. paralysis. For COVID you might get some cold symptoms, but you aren't going to the hospital.
We're in a very, very new situation that we've never been in before as a nation and as a species. We have a dangerous new virus against which we've just developed a vaccine. Immunized people can still get and transmit the virus, but they won't be badly affected by it. We haven't seen this previously because the vaccines in common use had been in common use for decades. When they were first introduced the same situation applied. Now it is far harder for the viruses to get a foothold because there are so many vaccinated people.
At least there used to be. Because of the antiscience movement which seems to garner wide support on this site lots of folks aren't vaccinated. There are routinely huge outbreaks of infectious viral disease all over the Western world. As antiscoience spreads, and it will, there will be fewer and fewer vaccinated people. And viral disease will become that much more prevalent.
Who’s science? The vaunted Dr. Fauci who ridiculed the use of masks 12 months ago, and now tells us we need to triple mask? The state-employed social science public policy graduates who within weeks became the experts as to why churches MUST be shut down, but Walmart’s are good to go? The “scientists” who said trump rallies are super spreader events, but torching cities with BLM and Antifa are quite safe? Do you believe Stanford Epidemiologist John Ioannidis who said the overreaction and shutdowns were worse on human health than the virus, or the unscientific social media owners who pulled his YouTube videos off their platforms for “disinformation?”
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The bolded statement, I do not understand. The average age of death of a covid victim is the same as the average lifespan. So collectively, it's not making a damn bit of difference in our species. Or maybe it's improving us, culling the weak. Covid is only dangerous to very old people and people who are already sick with underlying conditions. There are rare exceptions but when have we ever made sweeping policy on the outlier exceptions? Don't answer that, we do it all the time. Policy is made on the public's perception of risk, not real risk. This is why we spend $$Billions retrofitting tank cars that carry crude and ethanol to increase their jacket thickness by 1/16" even though virtually no one has been killed by tank car explosions, yet we have no problem transporting corn syrup in tanks all over the place so it can kill millions with diabetes.
Given that we had the Black Plague, how can you say we're in a dangerous new situation we've never been in before? Relative to that, we're not in any situation at all. Those people would laugh us out of town.
Except for some efforts with the Spanish Flu in the early 20th century, when has society ever withdrawn, shut down, and quarantined the HEALTHY?
Never. But Fauci knows better than all of human history.
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Dwarfed completely by the number of people who have died of COVID.
Antiscience fall sunder a number of categories. Used to be restricted to the Creationists, but it has spread and given rise to the anitvaxxer movement, which is now affecting the rollout of the COVID vaccine. And of course the climate science deniers, the majority population of this board.
I am always open to new viewpoints, or at least I try to be. Those viewpoints should be documented in some way, or based on some expertise. What I'm not open it are the nitwit conspiracy theories of which you seem to be particularly enamored.
You know, fuck off. I’ve received virtually ever required vaccine I’ve ever needed (though I do need to get the shingles vaccine), and am not an anti-vaxxer. Neither are any people I know who’s are cautious about this vaccine. I don’t buy the first model year of anything. Why would I do that here - because YOU say it’s safe?
I have no patience for anti-vaxxers who, along with illegal immigrants, are bringing formerly defeated viruses back into our society.
Those of us who’s are simply cautious are not anti-Vaxxers.
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I think the phrase you were searching for is "bless your heart"
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I think the phrase you were searching for is "bless your heart"
Possibly.
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If you truly knew anything about science you would welcome other viewpoints. But you're nothing more than an activist with a diploma.
DAMN YOU!!! The science is SETTLED!!!!
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I think the phrase you were searching for is "bless your heart"
Hey, that's my line. I'm working this side of the street fella. ;D
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My "bone to pick" with this is the Scientists (I'll give them credit here) are in bed with the economists and profiteers who are in bed with the lobbyists and lawmakers.
Have a gander at this article (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/06/us/covid-vaccines-emergent-biosolutions.html?fbclid=IwAR2Gx2oX4k4VNhObVZbS-RHNaHimBNWyDG4PKREXFejXgzxBIFYUvz5lsFc) that was published today
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(https://i.imgur.com/J58SKIU.jpg)