PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Little Joe on August 10, 2021, 04:11:53 AM
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People I know that I have heard about since Saturday:
Family:
My nephew, no co-morbidities, would not get the vaccine is recovering at home.
Another nephew's girlfriend, around 27 Don't know her vaccine status.
My sister's ex-brother-in-law, on a ventilator. 50 ish.Not vaccinated, Had and recovered from throat cancer 3 years ago.
My other sisters son-in-law, Army Special Forces, 30ish. Vaccinated. In hospital with nasal cannula.
Local friends or acquaintances:
Marc Bernier, anti-vax radio personalilty.
https://www.news-journalonline.com/story/news/local/2021/08/09/daytona-beach-radio-host-marc-bernier-hospitalized-covid-19/5538844001/
George Mirabal, 85 yr old Rotary friend, fully vaccinated. Hospitalized, may not recover. (Also his wife but she is recovering at home but I don't know her).
https://www.news-journalonline.com/story/business/2021/08/09/longtime-daytona-business-leader-mirabal-hospitalized-covid-19/5542595001/
Chase Tramont, City Commissioner. No-comorbididties. Was a local basketball hero here in the '90s. I have never met him other than to say hello, but I have been to two events where he was in attendance and had mutual friends. His wife "doesn't want to talk about his vaccine status). He is off the oxygen mask and recovering, but still needs an oxygen cannula.
How can I NOT take this seriously?
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OK, shall some others here come back and post their personal experience? Wanna hear about the various people I know that have or had covid and it was a mild cold to a flu like symptom?
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People I know that I have heard about since Saturday:
Family:
My nephew, no co-morbidities, would not get the vaccine is recovering at home.
Another nephew's girlfriend, around 27 Don't know her vaccine status.
My sister's ex-brother-in-law, on a ventilator. 50 ish.Not vaccinated, Had and recovered from throat cancer 3 years ago.
My other sisters son-in-law, Army Special Forces, 30ish. Vaccinated. In hospital with nasal cannula.
Local friends or acquaintances:
Marc Bernier, anti-vax radio personalilty.
https://www.news-journalonline.com/story/news/local/2021/08/09/daytona-beach-radio-host-marc-bernier-hospitalized-covid-19/5538844001/ (https://www.news-journalonline.com/story/news/local/2021/08/09/daytona-beach-radio-host-marc-bernier-hospitalized-covid-19/5538844001/)
George Mirabal, 85 yr old Rotary friend, fully vaccinated. Hospitalized, may not recover. (Also his wife but she is recovering at home but I don't know her).
https://www.news-journalonline.com/story/business/2021/08/09/longtime-daytona-business-leader-mirabal-hospitalized-covid-19/5542595001/ (https://www.news-journalonline.com/story/business/2021/08/09/longtime-daytona-business-leader-mirabal-hospitalized-covid-19/5542595001/)
Chase Tramont, City Commissioner. No-comorbididties. Was a local basketball hero here in the '90s. I have never met him other than to say hello, but I have been to two events where he was in attendance and had mutual friends. His wife "doesn't want to talk about his vaccine status). He is off the oxygen mask and recovering, but still needs an oxygen cannula.
How can I NOT take this seriously?
Not sure anyone here has said not to take it seriously. I do not think it takes a whole lot of work to stay clear and still live a normal life.
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OK, shall some others here come back and post their personal experience? Wanna hear about the various people I know that have or had covid and it was a mild cold to a flu like symptom?
Son, DIL and two sons all had it around Christmas time. Fairly mild, no one hospitalized. Oldest son brought it home from a friends house where a group gathered to play D&D. Several folks at church had it, not picked up at church as we weren't having in person services. One is a teacher, she had a lingering recovery but is doing well. The other three ninety-seven year old Mother, her son and DIL all had mild cases, not sure if it was pre or post vaccine. Most recently my two chapter friends, not vaccinated, both were hospitalized, both sent home after several days with oxygen and are recovering.
Can't think of any others right now.
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My 92 year old aunt had it recently. She's a lifelong smoker. Mild cough and headache. She's fine now.
Know several people that had it at work. No severe nor even moderate health issues from it. A big nothing.
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My 92 year old aunt had it recently. She's a lifelong smoker. Mild cough and headache. She's fine now.
Know several people that had it at work. No severe nor even moderate health issues from it. A big nothing.
My husband’s 90 something aunt had it, only symptom was diarrhea and lingering fatigue which could have been only from running back and forth to the pot for a week. She has been severely ill her whole life with autoimmune disease.
But the statistics are only statistics, they don’t say anything about a particular individual’s case.
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My 92 year old aunt had it recently. She's a lifelong smoker. Mild cough and headache. She's fine now.
Know several people that had it at work. No severe nor even moderate health issues from it. A big nothing.
I’d have questioned the existence of a lifelong smoker who made it to 92 except my friend’s father-in-law is just that, and is 91. Refuses to quit because he “enjoys it” and keeps thinking he only has a short time left anyway, probably. He’s even riddled by diabetes and its many effects.
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I’d have questioned the existence of a lifelong smoker who made it to 92 except my friend’s father-in-law is just that, and is 91. Refuses to quit because he “enjoys it” and keeps thinking he only has a short time left anyway, probably. He’s even riddled by diabetes and its many effects.
George Burns smoked cigars all the way to the end.
When asked if his doctor said anything about his smoking, Burns replied "I don't know, he's dead".
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My husband’s 90 something aunt had it, only symptom was diarrhea and lingering fatigue which could have been only from running back and forth to the pot for a week. She has been severely ill her whole life with autoimmune disease.
But the statistics are only statistics, they don’t say anything about a particular individual’s case.
Wait. I heard that everyone who gets Covid dies a miserable death hooked up to a ventilator.
Smh
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Wait. I heard that everyone who gets Covid dies a miserable death hooked up to a ventilator.
Smh
Just writing or talking about it can kill you.
Been nice to know ya!
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Just writing or talking about it can kill you.
Been nice to know ya!
Just to get this down on the record, I have no knowledge whatsoever of the personal affairs of Bill or Hillary Clinton.
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Just to get this down on the record, I have no knowledge whatsoever of the personal affairs of Bill or Hillary Clinton.
That there was FUNNY.
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Multiple family members, one hospitalized, was on O2. She recovered. 2 deaths in friend’s families, one elderly, one 45 with no comorbidities. Parents should not have to bury their children.
If you don’t know anyone personally, you don’t have enough friends.
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Multiple family members, one hospitalized, was on O2. She recovered. 2 deaths in friend’s families, one elderly, one 45 with no comorbidities. Parents should not have to bury their children.
If you don’t know anyone personally, you don’t have enough friends.
I’m an introvert. I hate people.
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If you don’t know anyone personally, you don’t have enough friends.
or perhaps you are more selective about who you call a friend
or perhaps you are in an area that isn't a disease-riddled cesspool.
or...
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or perhaps you are in an area that isn't a disease-riddled cesspool.
Very true. Big difference between densely populated cities and sparse rural areas. It’s the basic cultural divide in this country that plays out in every area where government tries to centrally control everything as if what is appropriate for DC is appropriate for a farmer in Idaho. “Central planning” the utopia of leftism always fails, always a disaster for the common man.
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or perhaps you are in an area that isn't a disease-riddled cesspool.
Other than way out in the country or making “where you live” the boundaries of your house, there is no such place. There are regions that are higher like Florida, and ones that are lower like South Dakota, but at this point there isn’t anyplace in the world you can’t catch COVID.
You do you.
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Other than way out in the country or making “where you live” the boundaries of your house, there is no such place. There are regions that are higher like Florida, and ones that are lower like South Dakota, but at this point there isn’t anyplace in the world you can’t catch COVID.
You do you.
But your statistical chances vary a lot.
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I’m an introvert. I hate people.
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But your statistical chances vary a lot.
Today, between Florida and South Dakota - yes, there's a big variance, right now Florida is getting 127 cases per day. 9 months ago, South Dakota was the bad spot. It changes with each wave.
But none of that really matters. If you choose to not get vaccinated, then you're taking your chances with the virus and that's great - freedom. If you are vaccinated, then the virus has ceased to be a real threat to your health and you only have to worry about normal stuff
I will say that if there are substantial long term issues with the vaccine, then we're all screwed because over half the country is vaccinated now.
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or perhaps you are more selective about who you call a friend
or perhaps you are in an area that isn't a disease-riddled cesspool.
or...
Agreed. I know probably 12-15 people that have had it.
One colleague (early 50’s) at work got it at a restaurant in 2020, brought it home to his family of 5. Four got it, one didn’t. Nothing worse than a bad cold.
Warbird friend (mid-50’s) got it this spring from his daughter or son-in-law who lives in California. It was passed around their family. Most got it, nothing worse than a moderate flu. Not fun, but not terrible.
Friend got it. Single, 46. Virtually no symptoms, but got tested because she was exposed from someone.
Friend and his wife got it. 69 years old. Nothing worse than a cold.
That’s it. I don’t personally know of a single person that had terrible symptoms, was hospitalized, or died.
Yet I still got the vaccine because I’ve had the big C once. I wasn’t going to get it just because of Oshkosh, but because I knew I was going into the downtown Chicago cesspool for 3 days in late July.
My wife won’t get it, because like Rush, she hates people. My daughter won’t get it because there’s no study on reproduction and the effects on childbearing. The babies of people who became pregnant after getting the vaccine have yet to be born.
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Today, between Florida and South Dakota - yes, there's a big variance, right now Florida is getting 127 cases per day. 9 months ago, South Dakota was the bad spot. It changes with each wave.
But none of that really matters. If you choose to not get vaccinated, then you're taking your chances with the virus and that's great - freedom. If you are vaccinated, then the virus has ceased to be a real threat to your health and you only have to worry about normal stuff
I will say that if there are substantial long term issues with the vaccine, then we're all screwed because over half the country is vaccinated now.
Here is the truth and it’s becoming pretty clearly documented:
Being vaccinated protects you as an individual at the expense of society, therefore it is a selfish act.
We know the following facts, there are individual exceptions, but generally these facts are true:
1. Being vaccinated does not protect you from getting the virus
2. Being vaccinated does mean you will get a much milder case
3. Less sick people, or people with no symptoms, are more likely to go out among the public
4. Very sick people tend to stay home
5. Therefore the people most spreading the virus are the vaccinated ones, perpetuating the pandemic
There are many people who cannot be vaccinated due to contraindications. These people are endangered not by other unvaccinated people, but by vaccinated people for the reasons stated above.
Therefore, getting vaccinated protects you, but not others. It is therefore a selfish act, exact opposite of the propaganda being forced down our throats.
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Florida is getting 127 cases per day. 9 months ago, South Dakota was the bad spot. It changes with each wave.
I'm curious where you got that stat. On Aug 6, Florida reported 22,783 new cases. Perhaps you meant deaths: 199 deaths on Aug 6.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/
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By the way, my friend George Mirabal dies yesterday. Yes, he was 85 but he was healthy, active and happy. He volunteered more for our Rotary projects than almost anyone.
And my other friend, Marc Bernier is still in the hospital on a ventilator. He is in his 50s.
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I'm curious where you got that stat. On Aug 6, Florida reported 22,783 new cases. Perhaps you meant deaths: 199 deaths on Aug 6.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/
I have a lot of trouble believing any data about case numbers when I don't know if the cycle thresholds for testing have been consistent over time or between locations. Nevermind other glitches like one person being reported as a new "case" every three days as they are testing til negative so they can return to work.
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I have a lot of trouble believing any data about case numbers when I don't know if the cycle thresholds for testing have been consistent over time or between locations. Nevermind other glitches like one person being reported as a new "case" every three days as they are testing til negative so they can return to work.
Cases are meaningless, except to drive fear in the media. And as you mentioned, case numbers are being manipulated.
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Cases are meaningless, except to drive fear in the media. And as you mentioned, case numbers are being manipulated.
Especially when "case" is undefined. Someone infected with covid may have symptoms ranging from nothing (asymptomatic) to dead. Even dead is undefined as as we have dead with covid vs dead from covid. Is a case a positive covid test? That can be difficult as a positive test may be caused by a vaccine or a prior infection. If it's a positive test from a prior infection is that another case? It's easy to drive fear when your data is undefined.
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Especially when "case" is undefined. Someone infected with covid may have symptoms ranging from nothing (asymptomatic) to dead. Even dead is undefined as as we have dead with covid vs dead from covid. Is a case a positive covid test? That can be difficult as a positive test may be caused by a vaccine or a prior infection. If it's a positive test from a prior infection is that another case? It's easy to drive fear when your data is undefined.
Supposedly there are two types of test. The antibody test is positive if you’ve been vaccinated or have recovered from the disease. It does not mean you currently have it, but I wonder if those positives get mixed in with active case numbers. You don’t have live virus in you.
The active virus positive test means you have the virus in you but if you are not symptomatic then your body is handling it and will get rid of it. We have typically never called that a “case”. We normally consider a “case” of a disease when it is symptomatic. Why, with this pandemic, did they expand the definition of a case?
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By the way, my friend George Mirabal dies yesterday. Yes, he was 85 but he was healthy, active and happy. He volunteered more for our Rotary projects than almost anyone.
And my other friend, Marc Bernier is still in the hospital on a ventilator. He is in his 50s.
Wow, so sorry to hear that. I hope Marc gets better soon. :(
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Supposedly there are two types of test. The antibody test is positive if you’ve been vaccinated or have recovered from the disease. It does not mean you currently have it, but I wonder if those positives get mixed in with active case numbers. You don’t have live virus in you.
The active virus positive test means you have the virus in you but if you are not symptomatic then your body is handling it and will get rid of it. We have typically never called that a “case”. We normally consider a “case” of a disease when it is symptomatic. Why, with this pandemic, did they expand the definition of a case?
Fear.
"Cases" sounds bad when the talking head on TV is spewing out the propaganda. Plus it's a convenient way to manipulate data for a desired result. Notice the real number that counts, deaths, is hardly being brought up.
And even the death number has been heavily manipulated.
Once again, when we as a country allowed this to happen, and let a petty tyrant bureaucrat take control, Pandora's Box was opened.
Covid has done in two weeks what they couldn't accomplish with climate change over 7 decades.
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Sooooooo.........imagine forcing a pregnant woman to get the vaccine that has the potential to kill her unborn child.
How much more ghoulish can this get?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/just-cdc-urges-pregnant-breastfeeding-women-take-covid-jab/
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Sooooooo.........imagine forcing a pregnant woman to get the vaccine that has the potential to kill her unborn child.
How much more ghoulish can this get?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/just-cdc-urges-pregnant-breastfeeding-women-take-covid-jab/
That’s insane. It’s NOT approved for children under 12, correct? But it’s okay for a fetus??
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https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198
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That’s insane. It’s NOT approved for children under 12, correct? But it’s okay for a fetus??
This is coming from an ideology that likes to kill unborn children. Any shock there?
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https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198
Is covid-19 highly virulent?
I know a lot of people think covid-19 is the deadliest worst thing to ever happen, and many people claim covid-19 is "highly contagious" or "extremely contagious"... but what is the definition of "highly virulent", "highly contagious", and "extremely contagious"?
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Is covid-19 highly virulent?
I know a lot of people think covid-19 is the deadliest worst thing to ever happen, and many people claim covid-19 is "highly contagious" or "extremely contagious"... but what is the definition of "highly virulent", "highly contagious", and "extremely contagious"?
Just talking about it will kill you.
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I have a lot of trouble believing any data about case numbers when I don't know if the cycle thresholds for testing have been consistent over time or between locations. Nevermind other glitches like one person being reported as a new "case" every three days as they are testing til negative so they can return to work.
Remember, Florida is a very red state (DeSantis is our governor). If anything they would under report cases, although there is the case to be made that some of the tests are inaccurate. And the fact that I personally know so many people that have been hospitalized and even a couple that died tells me this is serious. In 69 years, I don't recall ever knowing anyone that was hospitalize for the flu, much less died from it.
Let me reiterate a few things:
Yes, I am pro-vaccine and I think most people should get it. I don't think anyone should be forced to get it, but most (not all) of the excuses I have heard are invalid. My very liberal MIL didn't get it because her friend, the health food store owner, told her not to. Of course, he makes tons of money selling "natural' remedies and vitamins.
I think masks "could" help, but not these cheap masks and bandanas you see people wearing. Especially when they wear it under the nose or under the chin, or when they take it off when they want to talk, or when they never wash them or replace the inserts (or coffee filters if you are Michael). So as we are going, I think in general, masks don't help much. But they could.
I am totally against lock downs. They cause much more harm than the disease AND the vaccine put together.
I thoroughly believe in social distancing, partially because it has to help but more because, like Rush, I don't necessarily like being around most people.
Wash your hands. If you are sick, stay home. If you are eligible, get the vaccine. Or stay away from me.
Question: If vitamin D really is the magic answer, and if this whole thing is just a Vitamin D deficiency, then why is Florida showing 20% of the new cases in the whole country? Shouldn't that be happening up in N. Dakota or Maine or somewhere? We should be getting sun cancer, not Covid.
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Is covid-19 highly virulent?
I know a lot of people think covid-19 is the deadliest worst thing to ever happen, and many people claim covid-19 is "highly contagious" or "extremely contagious"... but what is the definition of "highly virulent", "highly contagious", and "extremely contagious"?
Are you trying to place an exact definition on editorialized comments published in a non-peer reviewed site?
Covid is contagious. It is virulent. Highly/extremely/not at all are judgements. It is to be expected from a site that allows anyone to post any paper they want.
It's interesting they (PLOS) have a front page article now which is titled "Impact and credibility matter when researchers evaluate research".
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Remember, Florida is a very red state (DeSantis is our governor).
It's red in most places, but DeSantis barely won the election. The east coast and southwest, and the college towns of Gainesville and Tallahassee are bigly Left, mostly due to immigrants from the commie Northeast.
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Question: If vitamin D really is the magic answer, and if this whole thing is just a Vitamin D deficiency, then why is Florida showing 20% of the new cases in the whole country? Shouldn't that be happening up in N. Dakota or Maine or somewhere? We should be getting sun cancer, not Covid.
"Cases" are meaningless. The fatality number (when accurate) tells the story.
Notice the MSM, Big Tech and the DCP are avoiding talking about actual death from covid. Doesn't fit the narrative.
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Then we have this nonsense: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/cdc-quietly-adjusts-floridas-covid-19-numbers-states-health-department-blasts-combining-multiple-days-data-one/
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Then we have this nonsense: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/cdc-quietly-adjusts-floridas-covid-19-numbers-states-health-department-blasts-combining-multiple-days-data-one/
What fucking bullshit. The CDC is the DCP’s weaponized biological warfare branch.
Here’s another thing. Since Florida is God’s waiting room, and last I heard, at least in Wisconsin, was that 85% of people over 65 have been vaccinated, wouldn’t they mean they vaccinated old people are getting the virus?
Further, how many illegal immigrants has Biden shipped to Florida in the last 6 months?
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Are you trying to place an exact definition on editorialized comments published in a non-peer reviewed site?
Covid is contagious. It is virulent. Highly/extremely/not at all are judgements. It is to be expected from a site that allows anyone to post any paper they want.
It's interesting they (PLOS) have a front page article now which is titled "Impact and credibility matter when researchers evaluate research".
I’m asking for an objective definition.
I’m expecting those that are so hyped about “misinformation” to be factual and not mislead people
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What fucking bullshit. The CDC is the DCP’s weaponized biological warfare branch.
Here’s another thing. Since Florida is God’s waiting room, and last I heard, at least in Wisconsin, was that 85% of people over 65 have been vaccinated, wouldn’t they mean they vaccinated old people are getting the virus?
Further, how many illegal immigrants has Biden shipped to Florida in the last 6 months?
Again, anyone who believes the fedgov or the DCP actually gives a shit about covid just look at the southern border. Tells you all you need to know.
20%+ coming in are covid, and the US fedgov is busing and flying them all over the country. People sick with covid are being placed on airliners with healthy people. People sick with covid are being dumped into unsuspecting communities.
Xiden wants travelers flying into the US to have vaccine papers, but unknown individuals can walk across our southern border with no identification and no proof of vaccine. How fuckin' moronic.
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Again, anyone who believes the fedgov or the DCP actually gives a shit about covid just look at the southern border. Tells you all you need to know.
20%+ coming in are covid, and the US fedgov is busing and flying them all over the country. People sick with covid are being placed on airliners with healthy people. People sick with covid are being dumped into unsuspecting communities.
Xiden wants travelers flying into the US to have vaccine papers, but unknown individuals can walk across our southern border with no identification and no proof of vaccine. How fuckin' moronic.
I know this is a wild conspiracy theory, and I haven’t talked to Alex Jones about it yet, but wouldn’t it be unbelievable if Biden purposefully shipped illegal immigrants, including those with Covid, to primarily red states, so their governors get the blame for a rise in Covid cases?
Phew. I’m sure glad I’m not a conspiracy theorist. That’s CRAZY TALK.
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I know this is a wild conspiracy theory, and I haven’t talked to Alex Jones about it yet, but wouldn’t it be unbelievable if Biden purposefully shipped illegal immigrants, including those with Covid, to primarily red states, so their governors get the blame for a rise in Covid cases?
Phew. I’m sure glad I’m not a conspiracy theorist. That’s CRAZY TALK.
Biden has already told us he has the border under control from the mess Trump left him with. ::)
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That one I whole heartedly agree with.
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Then we have this nonsense: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/cdc-quietly-adjusts-floridas-covid-19-numbers-states-health-department-blasts-combining-multiple-days-data-one/
All government numbers adjusted. And even the adjusted numbers are huge and growing. Just like the number of people that I know that are getting real sick.
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Remember, Florida is a very red state (DeSantis is our governor). If anything they would under report cases, although there is the case to be made that some of the tests are inaccurate. And the fact that I personally know so many people that have been hospitalized and even a couple that died tells me this is serious. In 69 years, I don't recall ever knowing anyone that was hospitalize for the flu, much less died from it.
You might find a different viewpoint from the families of the 34000+ people who died from the flu during the 2018-2019 flu season (from the CDC website)
You might find a different viewpoint from the families of the almost 500,000 people who were hospitalized because of the flu during the 2018-2019 flu season (from the CDC website)
and remember, the most vulnerable people generally had a flu vaccination.
extrapolating from personal experience doesn't help much...
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You might find a different viewpoint from the families of the 34000+ people who died from the flu during the 2018-2019 flu season (from the CDC website)
You might find a different viewpoint from the families of the almost 500,000 people who were hospitalized because of the flu during the 2018-2019 flu season (from the CDC website)
and remember, the most vulnerable people generally had a flu vaccination.
extrapolating from personal experience doesn't help much...
True, but if you post COVID numbers that are bad, people here just say they don't believe them,
I don't care if anyone else on this board takes this as seriously as I do. I have seen the pain, misery and death this causes up close and personally. I believe what I see.
And as for your numbers, 500,000 hospitalized from flu. 600,000 died from Covid.
34,000 vs 600,000 dead is a big difference. Of course, people on this board think a handful of vaccine reactions is reason to avoid a disease that kills many many more than that.
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True, but if you post COVID numbers that are bad, people here just say they don't believe them,
I don't care if anyone else on this board takes this as seriously as I do. I have seen the pain, misery and death this causes up close and personally. I believe what I see.
And as for your numbers, 500,000 hospitalized from flu. 600,000 died from Covid.
34,000 vs 600,000 dead is a big difference. Of course, people on this board think a handful of vaccine reactions is reason to avoid a disease that kills many many more than that.
It's not just the vaccine ramifications. It is the lockdowns and destruction of many small businesses and lives. It is government control and oppression and the propaganda to brainwash the masses. If your at risk quarantine and take precautions. You don't have to destroy normal people's lives for an infinitesimally small percentage of the population. It is totally unnecessary.
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True, but if you post COVID numbers that are bad, people here just say they don't believe them,
I don't care if anyone else on this board takes this as seriously as I do. I have seen the pain, misery and death this causes up close and personally. I believe what I see.
And as for your numbers, 500,000 hospitalized from flu. 600,000 died from Covid.
34,000 vs 600,000 dead is a big difference. Of course, people on this board think a handful of vaccine reactions is reason to avoid a disease that kills many many more than that.
I believe it can be a very serious disease. But I don’t trust the official numbers because I feel deceived and lied to on many levels. But I know the disease kills. I just don’t know if the case numbers are what we are being told or if all covid deaths are really covid, but I certainly believe some are.
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It's not just the vaccine ramifications. It is the lockdowns and destruction of many small businesses and lives. It is government control and oppression and the propaganda to brainwash the masses. If your at risk quarantine and take precautions. You don't have to destroy normal people's lives for an infinitesimally small percentage of the population. It is totally unnecessary.
Well then why do I feel like I am being vilified because I don't swallow the whole hoax thing? I made it clear that I don't think the lock downs are appropriate. I made it clear that I don't believe in forced vaccinations. But that doesn't mean I don't believe in some precautionary measures.
People whine that Covid vaccinations are useless or unnecessary, or even counter productive, but then they point out that the flu is partially contained because of vaccinations.
How can someone say that Covid is no worse than the flu because 34,000 people died from flu in a year? Perhaps 600,000 Covid deaths are inflated, but I don't think so based on the numbers that I have personally witnessed. 600,00 deaths is much worse than 34,000 deaths.
On another board (a liberal board) I am vilified because I don't buy into all the bullshit. Here, I am vilified because I don't buy into all the denial. If everyone on both sides think I am wrong, then I think I must be right.
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Well then why do I feel like I am being vilified because I don't swallow the whole hoax thing? I made it clear that I don't think the lock downs are appropriate. I made it clear that I don't believe in forced vaccinations. But that doesn't mean I don't believe in some precautionary measures.
People whine that Covid vaccinations are useless or unnecessary, or even counter productive, but then they point out that the flu is partially contained because of vaccinations.
How can someone say that Covid is no worse than the flu because 34,000 people died from flu in a year? Perhaps 600,000 Covid deaths are inflated, but I don't think so based on the numbers that I have personally witnessed. 600,00 deaths is much worse than 34,000 deaths.
On another board (a liberal board) I am vilified because I don't buy into all the bullshit. Here, I am vilified because I don't buy into all the denial. If everyone on both sides think I am wrong, then I think I must be right.
Hahaha! Not laughing at you, laughing that you can’t win because you are taking a reasonable centrist position. Covid has become so politically polarized that neither side will accept you unless you are waaaaaaay over thataway. It just struck me as funny.
Anyway I hope I haven’t vilified you. I’m good with you being against lockdowns and forced vaccinations, that’s what’s important. I don’t mind anyone believing different numbers than I believe as long as you don’t support ruining the economy with lockdowns or forcing me to get vaccinated, and you don’t, you are basically pro-freedom. That’s good enough for me.
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That’s insane. It’s NOT approved for children under 12, correct? But it’s okay for a fetus??
It was NEVER about medicine.
It has only ever been about seizing control.
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True, but if you post COVID numbers that are bad, people here just say they don't believe them,
I don't care if anyone else on this board takes this as seriously as I do. I have seen the pain, misery and death this causes up close and personally. I believe what I see.
And as for your numbers, 500,000 hospitalized from flu. 600,000 died from Covid.
34,000 vs 600,000 dead is a big difference. Of course, people on this board think a handful of vaccine reactions is reason to avoid a disease that kills many many more than that.
Joe, your devotion to sob story politics just makes me take your posts even less seriously.
Any discussion about the ‘risk’ and ‘horrors’ of the chinese wuhan bio terror weaponized virus that magically ignore the utter hypocrisy of government choosing who to hurt and who to benefit based solely on money ends any credibility related to your emotion driven warnings.
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Joe, your devotion to sob story politics just makes me take your posts even less seriously.
Any discussion about the ‘risk’ and ‘horrors’ of the chinese wuhan bio terror weaponized virus that magically ignore the utter hypocrisy of government choosing who to hurt and who to benefit based solely on money ends any credibility related to your emotion driven warnings.
Wow. You actually posted a coherent thought. It's a shame that you are so wrong about me though.
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Well then why do I feel like I am being vilified because I don't swallow the whole hoax thing? I made it clear that I don't think the lock downs are appropriate. I made it clear that I don't believe in forced vaccinations. But that doesn't mean I don't believe in some precautionary measures.
People whine that Covid vaccinations are useless or unnecessary, or even counter productive, but then they point out that the flu is partially contained because of vaccinations.
How can someone say that Covid is no worse than the flu because 34,000 people died from flu in a year? Perhaps 600,000 Covid deaths are inflated, but I don't think so based on the numbers that I have personally witnessed. 600,00 deaths is much worse than 34,000 deaths.
On another board (a liberal board) I am vilified because I don't buy into all the bullshit. Here, I am vilified because I don't buy into all the denial. If everyone on both sides think I am wrong, then I think I must be right.
In a previous post I clearly stated that if you feel at risk take the necessary precautions including quarantine, masks, whatever. Did I not? My whole problem is with the lock down and other government/Corporate mandates that effect those not at statistically significant risks. Read my posts please.
Health care should be a personal choice not a mandate. You seem to not see the difference. If I don't wear a mask I can't hurt the quarantined, vaccinated, masked or those that hide under their beds. I just want others in power to stop telling me what to fucking do. Get it?
This is clearly an elitist power play and it's scary because they're winning and succeeding.
Yeah The Pilots Place SUCKS. It is even worse than POA which is saying a lot.
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Read my posts please.
I have
Health care should be a personal choice not a mandate. You seem to not see the difference.
Perhaps you should read MY posts for a change. Then you'd realize how wrong you are about what I have said.
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Now children, it’s late. Let’s all go to bed.
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Now children, it’s late. Let’s all go to bed.
Ok.
Where are you? But I don't want Anthony there! ;)
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Ok.
Where are you? But I don't want Anthony there! ;)
LOL! Party pooper. ;D
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Wow. You actually posted a coherent thought. It's a shame that you are so wrong about me though.
The real shame is how thin your skin.
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First 10 minutes or so are very revealing on masking for children
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Now children, it’s late. Let’s all go to bed.
Thinking: “wait - does she like older men, or younger men? Where’s that other thread?”
Lol
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Ok.
Where are you? But I don't want Anthony there! ;)
Sorry, was already there.
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How can someone say that Covid is no worse than the flu because 34,000 people died from flu in a year? ...
exactly who said that?
I was an engineer so I don't always write English perfectly, but if you got that from anything I wrote, then we have a complete communication failure.
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Thinking: “wait - does she like older men, or younger men? Where’s that other thread?”
Lol
Younger men. Y'all aren't all in your 20s? Well dang... I'm outta here. ;D
Unless you look like Richard Baseheart...
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Younger men. Y'all aren't all in your 20s? Well dang... I'm outta here. ;D
Unless you look like Richard Baseheart...
I've been told I look like a Dick ::)
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I've been told I look like a Dick ::)
I see what you did there…
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exactly who said that?
I was an engineer so I don't always write English perfectly, but if you got that from anything I wrote, then we have a complete communication failure.
No, I don’t think you said covid is no worse than the flu, you just pointed out the deadly flu numbers. But those might be vastly under reported, or over reported, we simply can’t tell because of the inconsistency of reporting.
It’s very typical for old people or for sick, post surgical elderly to die from opportunistic respiratory infections that might never be lab confirmed influenza but could be any of a number of viral or bacterial infections. If they are already in hospice or have a DNR, they might not even be tested to find the exact pathogen. The cause of death might be complications due to cancer, surgery, or long standing chronic decline, when in fact they had influenza. This would cause under-reporting of flu deaths.
On the other hand, many causes of death are reported as “flu-like respiratory illness” which the CDC then lumps under “flu deaths” to report publicly thereby over-reporting actual lab confirmed influenza. I know they have done this, I’ve the numbers to prove it stored on my hard drive. That is, the CDC lists all causes of death due to respiratory infection: influenza and non-specific influenza-like illness among them, then totals them and the total is put in the summary report for news and public consumption, labeled “flu deaths”. I have screen shots of all of this from the CDC themselves from a couple of years ago. I don’t know if they’ve changed since then, maybe they want to under report flu now, to prove masks work or some shit, who knows.
But they did it to encourage people to get flu shots, but flu shots are completely ineffective against “flu-like illness” as well as up to 60% of actual flu strains! They deliberately inflate the number to scare people into getting flu shots knowing damn well the shots only protect you against a fraction of the actual causes of death of those numbers of “flu deaths”.
They’re lying to us. And they were doing that long before covid. So my mistrust of CDC well predates covid and they have done nothing at all since 2020 to make me think they’re any more honest now.
Therefore the numbers are suspect in either direction and that applies to flu deaths and covid deaths. As far as I’m concerned the officially reported numbers are totally meaningless.
Meaningful would be personal experience like Little Joe knowing people who died. Nevertheless that’s anecdotal. He could be in a statistical cluster by random chance. But I respect his perspective, just as I assume he respects mine when I say I haven’t personally met anyone here who has died. I do have two distant cousins that died of it but they lived in a city in another state, and I still assert that population density affects your risk.
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exactly who said that?
I was an engineer so I don't always write English perfectly, but if you got that from anything I wrote, then we have a complete communication failure.
Ok,perhaps I missed your point.
I posted an opinion on how bad COVID is and how it has affected me much more than the flu ever did.
You responded with statistics that show how bad the flu can be. I assumed you were objecting to my point that COVID is worse than the flu. But your numbers were way less than COVID numbers. IRL, people don't object to something they agree with, although I do understand that they will do that on the internet.
So instead of me analyzing your post and trying to discern your point again, why don't you explain to me what your point was? If it is what I think it is, I might agree with you. But I don't want to misinterpret you again.
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https://twitter.com/siriusmn/status/1425864555322875905
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I've been told I look like a Dick ::)
I went into a pharmacy with a huge sign demanding people wear masks, so I put on my Trump mask and walked in like I owned the joint. Poor snowflakes looked so annoyed at the affront to their pathetic sensitivities.
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https://twitter.com/siriusmn/status/1425864555322875905
Fucking liberals are so quick to demand death to anyone who refuses their bullshit.
I guess it's all you can expect from such a dishonest political persuasion. After all everything in their platform is based on lies and utter bullshit.
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Add another one - a friend of my wife lost her only son yesterday. 17 years old, not vaccinated, he went from healthy to a ventilator in under 2 weeks.
The reports are hospitalizations are up again but the patient demographic is shifting lower. I suspect that's because the elderly have largely been vaccinated, and with this variant being more likely to spread, it's hitting the younger population now.
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Add another one - a friend of my wife lost her only son yesterday. 17 years old, not vaccinated, he went from healthy to a ventilator in under 2 weeks.
The reports are hospitalizations are up again but the patient demographic is shifting lower. I suspect that's because the elderly have largely been vaccinated, and with this variant being more likely to spread, it's hitting the younger population now.
I wonder how he would have done if he’d been put on hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin within the first few days.
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I wonder how he would have done if he’d been put on hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin within the first few days.
Now we can't have healthcare measures. Get covid, go home, then when they are sick enough to be hospitalized, then and only then do something.
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Now we can't have healthcare measures. Get covid, go home, then when they are sick enough to be hospitalized, then and only then do something.
When they did the study to see if hydroxychloroquine worked, they only gave it to people already hospitalized, then published that it doesn’t work. That’s too late, you have to give it early.
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When they did the study to see if hydroxychloroquine worked, they only gave it to people already hospitalized, then published that it doesn’t work. That’s too late, you have to give it early.
Pope Tony and his pals at big pharma can't make $billions$ if something as effective as hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin are shown to greatly improve covid care.
This is why big tech and the MSM are banning and silencing anyone who reports positive results on these.
"They are all in this together" ;)
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When they did the study to see if hydroxychloroquine worked, they only gave it to people already hospitalized, then published that it doesn’t work. That’s too late, you have to give it early.
Don’t forget, this anti-hydroxychloroquine phenomenon only came about because Donald Trump said he was taking it, and actually talked about it in a press conference.
That drug had to be destroyed no matter how many people it may have saved, because orange man bad.
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Don’t forget, this anti-hydroxychloroquine phenomenon only came about because Donald Trump said he was taking it, and actually talked about it in a press conference.
That drug had to be destroyed no matter how many people it may have saved, because orange man bad.
Notice how Liberal communists are always happy to kill to get their way?
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Friend, 79, has more health problems than I can list, with his major problem being heart failure and having a pace maker with a Defibrillator function installed.
Has the rona, got sick and went to the hospital with fluid in the lungs. Saw him yesterday, doing just fine and getting on with life.
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Friend, 79, has more health problems than I can list, with his major problem being heart failure and having a pace maker with a Defibrillator function installed.
Has the rona, got sick and went to the hospital with fluid in the lungs. Saw him yesterday, doing just fine and getting on with life.
But… was he vaccinated?
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But… was he vaccinated?
Nope
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People I know that I have heard about since Saturday:
Family:
My nephew, no co-morbidities, would not get the vaccine is recovering at home.
Another nephew's girlfriend, around 27 Don't know her vaccine status.
My sister's ex-brother-in-law, on a ventilator. 50 ish.Not vaccinated, Had and recovered from throat cancer 3 years ago.
My other sisters son-in-law, Army Special Forces, 30ish. Vaccinated. In hospital with nasal cannula.
Local friends or acquaintances:
Marc Bernier, anti-vax radio personalilty.
https://www.news-journalonline.com/story/news/local/2021/08/09/daytona-beach-radio-host-marc-bernier-hospitalized-covid-19/5538844001/
George Mirabal, 85 yr old Rotary friend, fully vaccinated. Hospitalized, may not recover. (Also his wife but she is recovering at home but I don't know her).
https://www.news-journalonline.com/story/business/2021/08/09/longtime-daytona-business-leader-mirabal-hospitalized-covid-19/5542595001/
Chase Tramont, City Commissioner. No-comorbididties. Was a local basketball hero here in the '90s. I have never met him other than to say hello, but I have been to two events where he was in attendance and had mutual friends. His wife "doesn't want to talk about his vaccine status). He is off the oxygen mask and recovering, but still needs an oxygen cannula.
How can I NOT take this seriously?
First, George Mirabal that I referenced above died.
Now, my other friend Marc Bernier has died.
Marc was 65 yrs old and as far as I know very healthy. He was a well known local conservative talk show host that was extrremely anti-VAX. He railed against government trying to force people to get the vaccine. It was an invasion privacy and freedom.
In spite of that, we were friends and agreed on almost everything else.
I'll miss the occasional lunch with him and the occasional cocktails that we discussed politics over. And I will miss his daily talk show.
RIP Marc.
https://www.news-journalonline.com/story/news/local/volusia/2021/08/28/marc-bernier-30-year-daytona-beach-talk-host-dies-after-covid-battle/5639816001/
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Do you know if your friend Marc changed his opinion toward the end? In the long run it was a decision he chose to make and we assume a decision he died for.
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Do you know if your friend Marc changed his opinion toward the end? In the long run it was a decision he chose to make and we assume a decision he died for.
Good question. I don't know. The hospital was not allowing friends to visit, just family.
Oh, and I need to add two more people to my original list in my first post in this thread.
I listed my 30 something nephew who refused to get the vaccine. He is doing better now, but still not back to full speed.
His 10 yr old son got it and has had to quarantine at home so he missed school. He is doing better now too.
Also, my 55 yr old brother (the father of the nephew and grandfather of the 10 yr old) was admitted to the hospital after a week of fighting COVID. He was fully vaccinated, but he lived in the same house with those two unvaccinated COVID postive people.
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My next door neighbor’s teenage daughter has it now, so far just mild fever and fatigue. Both her parents feel sick too but tested negative. The doctor said it might be too early for the test to show positive. They got a prescription for something but she didn’t remember what it was and hadn’t picked it up yet. If it turns out to be hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin then I’ll know which doctor to see if I get it. I don’t know their vaccination status. Also the couple in the house on the other side of them both have it. They got it while visiting Colorado. I suspect the next door neighbors got it from the kid who got it from friends.