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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: nddons on October 26, 2016, 07:43:52 AM

Title: Reid has 'Set the Senate' for Nuclear Option
Post by: nddons on October 26, 2016, 07:43:52 AM
Reid is setting up the Senate for Schumer to use the nuclear option for judicial votes, requiring only a simple majority.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/302513-reid-dems-could-change-rules-for-supreme-court-nominees

The ONLY thing that will stop Hillary and the democrats from WEAPONIZING the courts and especially the USSC is a president Trump. Sad to say, but true.

Conservative speech?  Gone after Citizens United is overturned.

Second Amendment?  Not after one new Justice is added who agrees with the Heller dissent that the RKBA is NOT an individual right.

And on and on.

Depressing as hell.
Title: Re: Reid has 'Set the Senate' for Nuclear Option
Post by: JeffDG on October 26, 2016, 07:58:08 AM
Thanks, Trumpkins.  Your insistence on nominating a caricature instead of a candidate will give Hillary a Democrat Senate.


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Title: Re: Reid has 'Set the Senate' for Nuclear Option
Post by: Gary on October 26, 2016, 08:01:39 AM
Reid is setting up the Senate for Schumer to use the nuclear option for judicial votes, requiring only a simple majority.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/302513-reid-dems-could-change-rules-for-supreme-court-nominees

Think that Reid is going the wrong way on this.  SCOTUS judges should have the 60 vote hurdle.

The ONLY thing that will stop Hillary and the democrats from WEAPONIZING the courts and especially the USSC is a president Trump. Sad to say, but true.

Possible, but Trump as the only option?  That's frightening.

Conservative speech?  Gone after Citizens United is overturned.

Was there no Conservative speech before Citizens United?

Second Amendment?  Not after one new Justice is added who agrees with the Heller dissent that the RKBA is NOT an individual right.

And on and on.

Depressing as hell.

Agree that things are depressing, but maybe not for the same reasons.  ;)
Title: Re: Reid has 'Set the Senate' for Nuclear Option
Post by: LevelWing on October 26, 2016, 10:36:57 AM
It doesn't surprise me the democrats would do this. I don't expect them to act like ladies and gentlemen anymore and have respect for how our system is built. After Obama was elected, that all went out the window. We've entered an era in the American system where it's filled with contempt and disgust for the other party and personal profit and power reign supreme over what's best for the country or the respect for the rule of law.
Title: Re: Reid has 'Set the Senate' for Nuclear Option
Post by: LevelWing on October 26, 2016, 10:38:10 AM
Reid is setting up the Senate for Schumer to use the nuclear option for judicial votes, requiring only a simple majority.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/302513-reid-dems-could-change-rules-for-supreme-court-nominees

The ONLY thing that will stop Hillary and the democrats from WEAPONIZING the courts and especially the USSC is a president Trump. Sad to say, but true.

Conservative speech?  Gone after Citizens United is overturned.

Second Amendment?  Not after one new Justice is added who agrees with the Heller dissent that the RKBA is NOT an individual right.

And on and on.

Depressing as hell.
I don't disagree that a lot of this is possible, but the courts would have to fast track cases to the SCOTUS for them to hear them. The SCOTUS doesn't overturn its rulings very often so I'm not sure how quickly this would happen.
Title: Re: Reid has 'Set the Senate' for Nuclear Option
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 26, 2016, 06:06:21 PM
If they decide to do it, I hope they remember it when things are turned around.
Title: Re: Reid has 'Set the Senate' for Nuclear Option
Post by: LevelWing on October 27, 2016, 02:56:42 AM
If they decide to do it, I hope they remember it when things are turned around.
That assumes that the republicans will actually try something like that. The Senate republicans have been less than productive at stopping anything President Obama has done.
Title: Re: Reid has 'Set the Senate' for Nuclear Option
Post by: bflynn on October 27, 2016, 03:29:59 AM
Think that Reid is going the wrong way on this.  SCOTUS judges should have the 60 vote hurdle

Why?  There is nothing in the Constitution which requires it. Why is 60 a magic number?

You might see a surprise if Obama appoints a Justice by recess appt.  Legally he could and there would be nothing anyone could do.
Title: Re: Reid has 'Set the Senate' for Nuclear Option
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 27, 2016, 05:30:25 AM
There will not be any recess.  They will have someone gavel the Senate in session everyday.
Title: Re: Reid has 'Set the Senate' for Nuclear Option
Post by: JeffDG on October 27, 2016, 05:38:43 AM
There will not be any recess.  They will have someone gavel the Senate in session everyday.
There will be an inter-session recess between the end of one term and the start of the next.
Title: Re: Reid has 'Set the Senate' for Nuclear Option
Post by: LevelWing on October 27, 2016, 08:45:11 AM
There will be an inter-session recess between the end of one term and the start of the next.
It won't make a difference. If Hillary wins Obama will rescind his nomination of Judge Garland and allow Hillary the ability to nominate someone of her choosing, giving the republicans "exactly what they wanted". If Trump wins, it would be pointless for Obama to do a recess appointment because Trump's transition team will immediately begin vetting nominees and make an announcement as soon as he's sworn in. While the SCOTUS will still hear cases early in the year, none of them (that I know of) are 2nd Amendment cases (not that the others aren't important).
Title: Re: Reid has 'Set the Senate' for Nuclear Option
Post by: Anthony on October 27, 2016, 08:48:38 AM
While the SCOTUS will still hear cases early in the year, none of them (that I know of) are 2nd Amendment cases (not that the others aren't important).

There won't be any gun related cases brought before the court until Hillary has her 5-4 majority. 
Title: Re: Reid has 'Set the Senate' for Nuclear Option
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 27, 2016, 08:53:36 AM
There won't be any gun related cases brought before the court until Hillary has her 5-4 majority.

But the corrupt doormat supports the 2A.

How do I know that?  because she has repeatedly said so.

Title: Re: Reid has 'Set the Senate' for Nuclear Option
Post by: JeffDG on October 27, 2016, 08:55:12 AM
It won't make a difference. If Hillary wins Obama will rescind his nomination of Judge Garland and allow Hillary the ability to nominate someone of her choosing, giving the republicans "exactly what they wanted". If Trump wins, it would be pointless for Obama to do a recess appointment because Trump's transition team will immediately begin vetting nominees and make an announcement as soon as he's sworn in. While the SCOTUS will still hear cases early in the year, none of them (that I know of) are 2nd Amendment cases (not that the others aren't important).
A recess appointment doesn't expire like that.  They expire at the end of the Senate's next session.  So a Garland recess appointment could last as long as 2 years, and that would deny Trump a vacancy for that period.
Title: Re: Reid has 'Set the Senate' for Nuclear Option
Post by: LevelWing on October 27, 2016, 08:56:06 AM
There won't be any gun related cases brought before the court until Hillary has her 5-4 majority.
Why do you say that? Hillary has no control over the Supreme Court and whether or not they grant certiorari. It only takes 4 justices to grant certiorari but I'm not sure the court would say no strictly because the timing was inconvenient for Hillary.
Title: Re: Reid has 'Set the Senate' for Nuclear Option
Post by: LevelWing on October 27, 2016, 08:57:29 AM
A recess appointment doesn't expire like that.  They expire at the end of the Senate's next session.  So a Garland recess appointment could last as long as 2 years, and that would deny Trump a vacancy for that period.
True, but it would be in poor taste for Obama to pull a stunt like that. I wouldn't put it past him, but I don't think he would. He's done it with lower courts, most notably the NLRB and got smacked for it.
Title: Re: Reid has 'Set the Senate' for Nuclear Option
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on October 27, 2016, 10:19:58 AM
True, but it would be in poor taste for Obama to pull a stunt like that. I wouldn't put it past him, but I don't think he would. He's done it with lower courts, most notably the NLRB and got smacked for it.

Since when does that guy have taste?
Title: Re: Reid has 'Set the Senate' for Nuclear Option
Post by: nddons on October 27, 2016, 10:54:24 AM
Why do you say that? Hillary has no control over the Supreme Court and whether or not they grant certiorari. It only takes 4 justices to grant certiorari but I'm not sure the court would say no strictly because the timing was inconvenient for Hillary.
Left leaning lower courts can and do drag their feet if necessary.
Title: Re: Reid has 'Set the Senate' for Nuclear Option
Post by: bflynn on October 27, 2016, 04:47:49 PM
True, but it would be in poor taste for Obama to pull a stunt like that. I wouldn't put it past him, but I don't think he would. He's done it with lower courts, most notably the NLRB and got smacked for it.

So?  What could anyone do about it?  Especially if the Senate will wind up tied?