PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on July 25, 2017, 06:59:12 AM
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Still think this country doesn't have a problem with the Deep State?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-24/former-cia-director-calls-coup-if-trump-fires-mueller
In the most vocal opposition to president Donald Trump yet, former CIA Director John Brennan said that if the White House tries to fire special counsel Robert Mueller, government officials should refuse to follow the president orders, as they would be - in his view - “inconsistent” with the duties of the executive branch.
"I think it's the obligation of some executive branch officials to refuse to carry that out. I would just hope that this is not going to be a partisan issue. That Republicans, Democrats are going to see that the future of this government is at stake and something needs to be done for the good of the future," Brennan told CNN's Wolf Blitzer at the Aspen Security Forum, effectively calling for a coup against the president should Trump give the order to fire Mueller.
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Communism has taken off the hood of liberalism and is attacking everything American.
The communists in this country won't stop until America resembles Venezuela and the ruling junta CAN FINISH OFF THE TASK OF LOOTING THE TREASURY AND fleecing every producer.
It is all about power and money to liberals
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Yeah? Just bring your COUP to my neighborhood buddy, and see what happens.
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Yeah? Just bring your COUP to my neighborhood buddy, and see what happens.
I'm telling you they try that shit they got war on their hands. I woke up this morning to find a cockroach on the ceiling over my bed. I got nothing to lose.
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I'm telling you they try that shit they got war on their hands. I woke up this morning to find a cockroach on the ceiling over my bed. I got nothing to lose.
Me neither. Bring it on.
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This is the undeniable and ultimately only possible fallout from the weaponization/criminalization/dehumanization of politics brought about by the last 20-ish years of hyper-partisan behavior, primarily but not exclusively from one side of the aisle.
Folks on the Left truly believe Russia stole the election and put Trump in to be their puppet, apparently the Russians are poor puppeteers given how the current relationship is fairing - they truly believe those of us on the Right 'hate', that we want dirty air, dirty water, back alley abortions, women barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, and every other ridiculous, baseless and ultimately cartoonish caricature that they have been repeating in their echo chamber for the past 3 or 4 decades.
I don't think most average folks, but especially those on the Left and almost everyone in politics or gubmint, realize just how polarized things have become and how close we are to a real popular uprising - if the Deep State and the Radical Alt-Left-Government-Media Complex are successful in removing Trump this place is going to go up like the HMS Hood - and they continue to forget who owns most of the property, most of the guns, and who is more likely to be protected by fellow believers in the military and law-enforcement - hint, it does not rhyme with 'heft'.
I truly, desperately want to be wrong, I want to see us climb out of this dangerous morass and back to being the shining city on the hill but my faith in that future is fading. Trump and the loyalists in his administration are fighting on all fronts, his own party, the Congress, the Deep State, the weaponized media and pop culture, etc. I know he won't give up but he is facing truly bad odds.
'Gimp
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It's as if our nation as a whole has reached some zenith of Mazlowian needs being satisfied. I can only think of Nero and the satiating of his fetishes as there was no higher calling than the supplication of all wants, desires, and the ability to go through life with zero conflict.
Many seem to seek out, and to exaggerate to the Nth degree any microscopic bump in their day/life. We even have a new word for it - 'microaggression' which places the blame on the one who is standing for common societal rights. Like privacy, and personal property. How DARE people who are both wealthy and conservative have an equal voice to the wealthy on the left? How DARE a person with historical moral values want to maintain them in public? don't the conservatives know that their brand of rectitude and honest beliefs cannot and will not be tolerated? They must bend, they must stretch, they must remove barriers to social advancement.
There is no room or allowance for grading people based on their contribution anymore. All personal contribution is bad, and all social engineering will be the order of the day. And if one disagrees, we will make a LAW and see that it is followed. Can't compete in organized effort for an outcome/goal? No matter, you get a prize anyway, just for showing up, and setting down your gameboy for 10 minutes. Some white male said 'no' to you? Well, that is just not allowed anymore. Progressivism is only about 'yes', no matter what the question, and most specifically if the person asking is a minority. I want your job. YES! I want your office. YES! I want your Beemer. YES! I want your house. YES! I want to be prez. YES! Contribution? Dedication? Effort? Hard work? Bah - those are 19th century thinking. Take that shit somewhere else. This is about me DEMANDING that I'm equal to you in everything, and you accepting it. Got it?
When we have reached this point, and gone one step beyond there is going to be a realignment. Oh yes, very much so. The 2016 election was the turd in the progressive punch bowl. And they - will - not - stand - for - it!
Well, come on, lets get it over with. Do your thing, light the fuse, get it out in the open and bring it. This will not be the 1860s, and you will not have a weak, and backward enemy. We are well armed, well supplied, well led, and well fed the f**k up motivated. I'm so ready to 'reorient' a few progs on my way to a better place.
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^^^^^^This is why the liberal/progressives want law abiding citizens to be disarmed. They view the Constitution as an obstacle because they don't agree with it. Well too bad. It has worked for over two hundred years. Just because it is inconvenient to your SOCIAL ENGINEERING doesn't mean I have to bow to your will. The more you try to make me capitulate, and try to normalize all the wrongs in society, the more I will resist.
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Interesting that the words "calling for a coup" came from Tyler Durban (the Zero Hedge commentator) not John Brennan.
"I think it's the obligation of some executive branch officials to refuse to carry that out. I would just hope that this is not going to be a partisan issue. That Republicans, Democrats are going to see that the future of this government is at stake and something needs to be done for the good of the future," Brennan told CNN's Wolf Blitzer at the Aspen Security Forum, effectively calling for a coup against the president should Trump give the order to fire Mueller.
Mr. Durban may personally believe that refusing a Presidential order is a coup but it is a long, long way to an armed insurrection. The person refusing such an order may of course end up being fired. In fact, this has already occurred in the past.
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This is the undeniable and ultimately only possible fallout from the weaponization/criminalization/dehumanization of politics brought about by the last 20-ish years of hyper-partisan behavior, primarily but not exclusively from one side of the aisle.
Glad that you recognize that both sides are quite adept at the weaponization/criminalization/dehumanization of politics. From my view it isn't primarily one side doing so. Different issues and tactics perhaps.
Folks on the Left truly believe Russia stole the election and put Trump in to be their puppet, apparently the Russians are poor puppeteers given how the current relationship is fairing - they truly believe those of us on the Right 'hate', that we want dirty air, dirty water, back alley abortions, women barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, and every other ridiculous, baseless and ultimately cartoonish caricature that they have been repeating in their echo chamber for the past 3 or 4 decades.
SOME people on the left do truly believe (erroneously) that Russia stole the elections. Many more support the belief that the Russian did attempt to spread propaganda and sway the election in a certain direction. Disagree that those on the "right" hate clean air, clean water etc..... By the same measure, those on the "left" are not all snowflake, communist, tree-hugging do-gooders as the right makes them out to be. The "right" has certainly used their share of cartoonish caricatures to make their point.
I don't think most average folks, but especially those on the Left and almost everyone in politics or gubmint, realize just how polarized things have become and how close we are to a real popular uprising - if the Deep State and the Radical Alt-Left-Government-Media Complex are successful in removing Trump this place is going to go up like the HMS Hood - and they continue to forget who owns most of the property, most of the guns, and who is more likely to be protected by fellow believers in the military and law-enforcement - hint, it does not rhyme with 'heft'.
Think that most "average" folks (across the political spectrum) do not see the polarization in their day to day lives as it really doesn't affect them that much. No matter what Move-on or Brietbart or Infowars or TPM say, it has a very low impact on folks doing their job, taking care of their families, paying the mortgage or buying a home. Suspect most "average" folks do not even go to those sites. Seriously doubt that removal of President Trump is going to cause an armed revolution. Should that happen ( a very low probability, IMHO) a new President will be installed and life will go on. We have been through far worse times and tend to muddle our way through.
I truly, desperately want to be wrong, I want to see us climb out of this dangerous morass and back to being the shining city on the hill but my faith in that future is fading. Trump and the loyalists in his administration are fighting on all fronts, his own party, the Congress, the Deep State, the weaponized media and pop culture, etc. I know he won't give up but he is facing truly bad odds.
'Gimp
Guess I'm more optimistic. We will survive this, will things be different, sure, things always change, we are not the America of the 1950's and you can't go back in time. Agree that Trump and his loyalists are fighting on all fronts, personally believe they are fighting for their own power and influence, not the general well-being of Americans as a whole.
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The Trumps had their wealth, power and influence well before they got into politics. However, I wouldn't put it past anyone with those types of personalities to want more power, and influence. I do think Trump wants America to succeed, and be prosperous. Whether it is solely for his ego, or altruism remains to be seen. That being said, I will support the policies he is trying to implement because I think they are good for the country as a whole. A rising tide raises all boats. Isn't that what JFK said. :)
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The "right" has certainly used their share of cartoonish caricatures to make their point.
The ratio of leftist caricature v rightist caricature is so lopsided as to not even register in the public view. Sure, trump called someone Pocahontas, and several of the senators have been known to make fun of Pelosi or Schumer, but there isn't an hour goes by I don't hear through social media(of which i have a very, very small footprint) something about 'the orange one' or 'small hands', or 'T-rump', etc.
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Gary,
You almost had me agreeing with your soliloquy until you added your own lefty spin one time too many. We could have found so much common ground but you couldn't stop yourself from elevating the left and denigrating the right to try and pretend the playing field is even.
It isn't.
The left has gone so far off the rails that normal humans don't try to rationalize their idiocy anymore. It's too cultish. Too fascist and too much a sickening cult of death.
Every single person who speaks a contrary word to the offense of the day-du-jour is pounded by death threats so deeply disturbed that any honest psychiatrist would identify the threatener as mentally deranged.
The left demands that we agree that sudden onrush of gender confusion be renamed and any reference to the mental disorder that transgender is be stricken from not only public discourse but the medical profession completely.
It is yet another politically protected mental illness, alongside the gender pronoun bullshit.
Laws are being forced cell fed into daily life stripping American citizens of basic privacy rights to pander to the weaponized homosexual lobby, so sick, so perverted and so deeply mentally disturbed that a lot of those freaks should not be out in public.
And you rationalize how somehow the conservatives are just as bad.
Sorry, Sherlock. You're full' of shit on that score.
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I think this is the first time I "Liked" one of your posts, even though I usually agree with your content.
I guess in general, we have a different way of expressing ourselves.
Gary,
You almost had me agreeing with your soliloquy until you added your own lefty spin one time too many. We could have found so much common ground but you couldn't stop yourself from elevating the left and denigrating the right to try and pretend the playing field is even.
It isn't.
The left has gone so far off the rails that normal humans don't try to rationalize their idiocy anymore. It's too cultish. Too fascist and too much a sickening cult of death.
Every single person who speaks a contrary word to the offense of the day-du-jour is pounded by death threats so deeply disturbed that any honest psychiatrist would identify the threatener as mentally deranged.
The left demands that we agree that sudden onrush of gender confusion be renamed and any reference to the mental disorder that transgender is be stricken from not only public discourse but the medical profession completely.
It is yet another politically protected mental illness, alongside the gender pronoun bullshit.
Laws are being forced cell fed into daily life stripping American citizens of basic privacy rights to pander to the weaponized homosexual lobby, so sick, so perverted and so deeply mentally disturbed that a lot of those freaks should not be out in public.
And you rationalize how somehow the conservatives are just as bad.
Sorry, Sherlock. You're full' of shit on that score.