PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on September 17, 2018, 06:13:17 AM
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This is how Joe Biden describes some of the President's supporters.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/09/classy-joe-biden-calls-trump-supporters-the-dregs-of-society-in-speech-video/
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Is that the same thing as calling half the country a basket of deplorables?
If only all those evil supporters of President Trump were choir boys like all those members of MS13...
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I'm willing to bet that there are a lot of people who no intention of voting for Trump who ended up voting for him because they got tired of the insults from the left.
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I'm willing to bet that there are a lot of people who no intention of voting for Trump who ended up voting for him because they got tired of the insults from the left.
Yep.
Hillary's "basket of deplorables" comment helped drive a lot of voters to Trump.
And part of the mid term strategy of the left is to go on the attack of conservative voters. We'll see how well that works for them this time.
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I'm willing to bet that there are a lot of people who no intention of voting for Trump who ended up voting for him because they got tired of the insults from the left.
Trump had one big thing going for him: he wasn't Hillary. I know many who essentially held their nose and voted for him, with zero Russian influence.
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He's real big with the White Nationalist set.
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He's real big with the White Nationalist set.
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And BTW perfesser, your new obsession now is white nationalist and white supremacist.
Want to discuss the origin of these groups plus their history? Want to discuss how the Democrats formed these groups against the republicans who advocated the end of slavery? Want to discuss how the Democrats used their white nationalist and white supremacist groups to stomp down civil rights?
Your party created and successfully operated these groups in order to suppress blacks and their civil liberties, as well as anyone who fought for their rights (Republicans)
History doesn’t lie.
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And BTW perfesser, your new obsession now is white nationalist and white supremacist.
Want to discuss the origin of these groups plus their history? Want to discuss how the Democrats formed these groups against the republicans who advocated the end of slavery? Want to discuss how the Democrats used their white nationalist and white supremacist groups to stomp down civil rights?
Your party created and successfully operated these groups in order to suppress blacks and their civil liberties, as well as anyone who fought for their rights (Republicans)
History doesn’t lie.
History doesn’t lie, but progressives do.
And they do it all the time, every day, non stop.
Steingar is too blind and shallow to mention which party was behind the lynchings of blacks wanting to register and vote.
His broadside attack is an out and out lie, and knows it, but the lie is so comforting to a bigot like mikey, that he just can’t help himself.
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History doesn’t lie, but progressives do.
And they do it all the time, every day, non stop.
Steingar is too blind and shallow to mention which party was behind the lynchings of blacks wanting to register and vote.
His broadside attack is an out and out lie, and knows it, but the lie is so comforting to a bigot like mikey, that he just can’t help himself.
Furthermore, when one studies they actual ideology that these groups follow it’s no where near a conservative ideology, has no connection whatsoever. It does however follow the liberal ideology very closely.
The progressives are the masters of projection.
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Trump had one big thing going for him: he wasn't Hillary. I know many who essentially held their nose and voted for him, with zero Russian influence.
Welcome to Pilot Spin!
I have to admit, I sort of held my nose and voted for the non-Hillary. But since the election, I am very happy I did. I saw yesterday that "middle class" wages have risen to the highest adjusted amount since 1999. Small business confidence is at an all time high too.
I don't really like Trump. But I am glad he is President.
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Furthermore, when one studies they actual ideology that these groups follow it’s no where near a conservative ideology, has no connection whatsoever. It does however follow the liberal ideology very closely.
The progressives are the masters of projection.
As always, if you want to know what dirty behavior the democrats are engaged in, just listen for what they accuse republicans of doing, and you know EXACTLY what the democrats are up to.
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As always, if you want to know what dirty behavior the democrats are engaged in, just listen for what they accuse republicans of doing, and you know EXACTLY what the democrats are up to.
Yep, and they are the ones always accusing others of racism, sexism, and everything else in which they are actively engaged.
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Trump had one big thing going for him: he wasn't Hillary. I know many who essentially held their nose and voted for him, with zero Russian influence.
Yep. He was nowhere near my first choice.
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He's real big with the White Nationalist set.
Hillary loved them, too.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/clinton-byrd-photo-klan/
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He's real big with the White Nationalist set.
There isn't really a White Nationalist set. That's like being big with the pygmy shorthand society. Sure, there are SOME, but it's not what you'd call a crowd.
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I don't really like Trump. But I am glad he is President.
This is what I think the left is clueless on...or maybe what they WANT to be clueless on. You can not like Trump and still approve of his accomplishments. To the Left, if you don't like someone, then NOTHING they do can ever be good.
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This is what I think the left is clueless on...or maybe what they WANT to be clueless on. You can not like Trump and still approve of his accomplishments. To the Left, if you don't like someone, then NOTHING they do can ever be good.
This is a very accurate, and astute observation. I don't like Trump very much either due to his personality. I don't "hate" him either, as I like that he speaks his mind, and is different from all other politicians. I do support his policies, and agenda.
The Left has to hold leaders up as demagogues to be worshipped. I don't. Obama was a perfect example.
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This is what I think the left is clueless on...or maybe what they WANT to be clueless on. You can not like Trump and still approve of his accomplishments. To the Left, if you don't like someone, then NOTHING they do can ever be good.
Yep, that's pretty much where I am with Trump. I'm happy with a number of his accomplishments but I really, really dislike him. And disliking him wouldn't necessarily keep me from voting for him, though I didn't in 2016. Unfortunately, some aspects of his personality make his fitness for office questionable, in my opinion (his apparent tone-deafness on matters of race is a big one for me, but there are others). I don't expect to vote for him in 2020, but I'm not entirely ruling it out. It depends on what he does between now and then, and who the Dems put up against him.
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, in my opinion (his apparent tone-deafness on matters of race is a big one for me, but there are others).
A narrative being driven by the MSM with no basis in fact.
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in my opinion (his apparent tone-deafness on matters of race is a big one for me, but there are others). I don't expect to vote for him in 2020, but I'm not entirely ruling it out. It depends on what he does between now and then, and who the Dems put up against him.
I don't disagree with you, but I had this thought about that:
The left always says race shouldn't matter. "Judge people by their character, not the color of their skin". Unless the left things otherwise.
When Trump said "there were fault on both sides", he was EXACTLY right. But the left exploded. Why was that?
How is that better than when Obama heard one side of the story and said "The cops acted stupidly"?
But I see your point. Sort of,
Kinda,
A little bit.
Aww shit. Who am I kidding. Trump is an arrogant, thin skinned, pompous ass. He doesn't really care who he pisses off when he sticks his foot in his mouth while saying what others are afraid to say. He will belittle white men, white women, black men, black women, Arabs, Muslims, etc . . . equally. But he gets things done. Things that more moderate politicians have always been afraid to touch.
And every time he says something that makes me cringe, I still say to myself "At least Hillary isn't President".
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I don't disagree with you, but I had this thought about that:
The left always says race shouldn't matter. "Judge people by their character, not the color of their skin". Unless the left things otherwise.
When Trump said "there were fault on both sides", he was EXACTLY right. But the left exploded. Why was that?
How is that better than when Obama heard one side of the story and said "The cops acted stupidly"?
But I see your point. Sort of,
Kinda,
A little bit.
Aww shit. Who am I kidding. Trump is an arrogant, thin skinned, pompous ass. He doesn't really care who he pisses off when he sticks his foot in his mouth while saying what others are afraid to say. He will belittle white men, white women, black men, black women, Arabs, Muslims, etc . . . equally. But he gets things done. Things that more moderate politicians have always been afraid to touch.
And every time he says something that makes me cringe, I still say to myself "At least Hillary isn't President".
Remember Hillary giving a glowing tribute to Robert Byrd? Yep, Robert Byrd, a former KKK Clansman. Where was the outrage? Where was the condemnation? Where were the cries of her "race tone deafness"?
Remember her husband, a former president, who praised his "mentor" William J Fulbright. Fulbright was a full on southern democrat racist who fought against civil rights.Yet no outrage, no condemnation.
Remember the Bill Clinton campaign using a rebel flag in some of their southern campaigns? I do. Not a peep from the dems. Nothing.
Remember Al Gore? His father, Al Gore Sr was another southern democrat who fought vigorously against civil rights. Yet not a peep.
How about recent history? Remember Hillary mocking black people in one of her speeches? Not a word or peep from the MSM telling us how she was disrespecting the blacks. Remember the emails from her staffers complaining about "needy latinos"? I do, yet no one saw that as racist.
How about Bill Clinton standing on stage with Louis Farakhan? Could you only imagine what would happen if President Trump had done the same thing? Yet the democrats say nothing, nada.
Look at the democrat "icons". Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, these guys reek racism as their badge of honor and display it constantly to their betterment. And the democrats say nothing.
I could keep going and keep showing example after example of the racism that is the democrat party. It has been since the 1850's. The democrats have fought against the abolition of slavery and civil rights through out their history and even created organizations such as the KKK to commit violence against anyone who opposed them.
When a progressive starts accusing anyone on the right of racism they are simply projecting.
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The Democrats are rarely held accountable by their MEDIA. That is why they get away with the huge double standard, and hypocrisy.
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Yep, that's pretty much where I am with Trump. I'm happy with a number of his accomplishments but I really, really dislike him. And disliking him wouldn't necessarily keep me from voting for him, though I didn't in 2016. Unfortunately, some aspects of his personality make his fitness for office questionable, in my opinion (his apparent tone-deafness on matters of race is a big one for me, but there are others). I don't expect to vote for him in 2020, but I'm not entirely ruling it out. It depends on what he does between now and then, and who the Dems put up against him.
I somewhat agree with you. I always say Trump was my 17th choice, but in reality he was about my 12th choice. But I remain in awe of the good things that he’s accomplished and the promises he’s kept, with an adversarial House and Senate (being in the same party didn’t guarantee cooperation, and in fact he’s received very little from the house and senate. )
That being said, can you explain the “tone deafness on matters of race”? I mean no disrespect, but I’d like to understand it. I’m interested because the left as a matter of perceived fact simply concludes Trump is a racist, and in turn his voters like me are also racist. I hate it, and just don’t see it. Ive listened to many of his speeches, read many things that he’s written including his cringeworthy tweets, but I still don’t see this racial facet.
I will say he’s an equal opportunity offender, but criticizing a black or Hispanic doesn’t mean the man is racist.
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As much as I resisted even thinking about voting for Donald Trump, I am now convinced that not a single one of the others running for President could have accomplished even a fraction fo what he's gotten done. It really did have to be shoveled down the gullet of establishment pukes Ryan and McConnell, or it would have died aborning.
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He’s not a racist.
But the leftist media twists everything he does and says to make it seem so.
I always ask people who say he’s racist to tell me why they think that. They say something along the lines of “He just is. He is.” You know, with the patented libbie shake of the head whilst backing up or walking away.
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I'd really like to hear what JeffDG has to say in hindsight. He HATED Trump and left the forum because Trump won.
He acted like a liberal woman, so I doubt we will ever hear from him.
(My apologies to women everywhere, liberal or not).
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No man or woman who actually takes the time and effort to study what’s really going on in politics, and who cares deeply about America’s amazing individual freedoms, and who actually desires meaningful discussion of all viewpoints, can remain a liberal. This is my belief and observation. Many liberals on WalkAway left liberalism behind because they found they believed passionately in those three things.
Liberals can be good people, and well intentioned, but if they skim along on CNN and DNC talking points, accept them as truth, don’t ferociously defend our freedoms, and refuse to see ANY other sides to an issue, they’re hopelessly liberal and are contributing to the debacle we see unfolding in America today.
You guys with liberal wives ... get busy working on ‘em! We need lots of red votes in November!
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I'd really like to hear what JeffDG has to say in hindsight. He HATED Trump and left the forum because Trump won.
He acted like a liberal woman, so I doubt we will ever hear from him.
(My apologies to women everywhere, liberal or not).
He was a liberal flame thrower pretending to be conservative.
And our "militant moderate" Kristin also fled after Trump won.
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He was a liberal flame thrower pretending to be conservative.
And our "militant moderate" Kristin also fled after Trump won.
They might have been the same person.
Of course, Kristen could have been aunt peggy...
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During the debates I didn't know which repub I'd go for but I knew it sure as HELL wouldn't be Hillary! When the reporter asked the question about 'fantasy football' Trumps response turned me to him. As Jeb Bush answered that question I was thinking what kind of question is that for candidates for President? Trump apparently was thinking the same and he wasn't going to kowtow to the news media.
I may not like Trump personally for some things he's said but I do love what he has done since taking office. Compare things now to say, 2 or 3 years ago.
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During the debates I didn't know which repub I'd go for but I knew it sure as HELL wouldn't be Hillary! When the reporter asked the question about 'fantasy football' Trumps response turned me to him. As Jeb Bush answered that question I was thinking what kind of question is that for candidates for President? Trump apparently was thinking the same and he wasn't going to kowtow to the news media.
I may not like Trump personally for some things he's said but I do love what he has done since taking office. Compare things now to say, 2 or 3 years ago.
Yes. I really can’t understand it when people seem unable to separate “liking” a person from their opinion of that person’s actions. I understand Ted Bundy was really likeable.
I don’t like DJT at all, really. He’d be hell to be married to. But he has literally laid down his life to try and clean up the mess that is our government. For that he has my undying loyalty, and my vote.
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I'd really like to hear what JeffDG has to say in hindsight. He HATED Trump and left the forum because Trump won.
He acted like a liberal woman, so I doubt we will ever hear from him.
(My apologies to women everywhere, liberal or not).
I miss JeffDG. I enjoyed his posts.
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We dregs need to understand this:
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That being said, can you explain the “tone deafness on matters of race”? I mean no disrespect, but I’d like to understand it. I’m interested because the left as a matter of perceived fact simply concludes Trump is a racist, and in turn his voters like me are also racist. I hate it, and just don’t see it. Ive listened to many of his speeches, read many things that he’s written including his cringeworthy tweets, but I still don’t see this racial facet.
I don't think Trump is a racist, not in the sense of someone who thinks people with brown skin are inferior. I used the term "tone deaf" very carefully. I think he intended his remarks after Charlottesville to be even-handed and fair, and that he honestly couldn't understand the public outcry. And I'll even agree that he didn't say anything that was factually incorrect. But I compare the way he worded his remarks to the way other presidents have handled difficult social unrest. Can you imagine Reagan, for example, saying that both sides were at fault and leaving it at that? The violence was instigated largely by white supremacists marching openly in the streets. That is something they have a right to do as Americans and no one, I think, has suggested otherwise. But at the same time, I think most non-racist people would expect their President to express how counter their ideas are to mainstream American values and culture and the fact that he didn't do that until much later was, I think, an example of tone deafness on Trump's part. It's not that he said anything overtly racist, it's that he worded his statement in a way that many people, and not just liberals, interpreted as putting neo-nazis on the same moral plane as the anti-Confederate statue protestors. He just doesn't understand what is expected of him, at least by most Americans, as President in terms of leadership.
I will say he’s an equal opportunity offender, but criticizing a black or Hispanic doesn’t mean the man is racist.
"Equal opportunity offender"... yeah, that's pretty much true. He manages, though, to offend not just individuals but groups and classes of people. I sometimes think he is just tone deaf to the subtleties of language, that it's not race specifically. The racial aspect just manages to draw attention to itself because it is the third rail of American politics, or would be for any other politician.
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I find myself wanting to give azure a pass when she says things like above, but that entire post is pure bullshit, designed to give her the veneer of moral high ground, while she pretends that her ‘point’ is even remotely valid, or true. It’s just pure speculation, wrapped in a patina of self righteousness, that has been inbred through decades of the intellectual fraud that surrounds academia.
The fact that azure must justify her bigotry where Trump is considered by pretending that her feelings are more important then the facts is just another way that progressives avoid reality in favor of their make believe feelings.
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I don't think Trump is a racist, not in the sense of someone who thinks people with brown skin are inferior. I used the term "tone deaf" very carefully. I think he intended his remarks after Charlottesville to be even-handed and fair, and that he honestly couldn't understand the public outcry. And I'll even agree that he didn't say anything that was factually incorrect. But I compare the way he worded his remarks to the way other presidents have handled difficult social unrest. Can you imagine Reagan, for example, saying that both sides were at fault and leaving it at that? The violence was instigated largely by white supremacists marching openly in the streets. That is something they have a right to do as Americans and no one, I think, has suggested otherwise. But at the same time, I think most non-racist people would expect their President to express how counter their ideas are to mainstream American values and culture and the fact that he didn't do that until much later was, I think, an example of tone deafness on Trump's part. It's not that he said anything overtly racist, it's that he worded his statement in a way that many people, and not just liberals, interpreted as putting neo-nazis on the same moral plane as the anti-Confederate statue protestors. He just doesn't understand what is expected of him, at least by most Americans, as President in terms of leadership.
"Equal opportunity offender"... yeah, that's pretty much true. He manages, though, to offend not just individuals but groups and classes of people. I sometimes think he is just tone deaf to the subtleties of language, that it's not race specifically. The racial aspect just manages to draw attention to itself because it is the third rail of American politics, or would be for any other politician.
But they ARE on the same moral plane. They are two sides of the same sick extremist racist coin. In fact I was under the impression that the neo-nazis were the less violent in that encounter.
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But they ARE on the same moral plane. They are two sides of the same sick extremist racist coin. In fact I was under the impression that the neo-nazis were the less violent in that encounter.
I don't agree that historically important statues should be torn down either, but chanting "Jews shall not replace us" and other racist slogans vs. protesting racism and anti-semitism on the same moral plane? Seriously? We must live in parallel universes, you and I.
My impression was that the protests got violent when a large group of neo-nazis surrounded a smaller group of student counterprotestors who were standing near one of the statues. I have no idea who threw the first punch, but to me, a larger group surrounding a smaller group is clearly a threatening move. And James Fields, who allegedly drove the car that killed Heather Heyer, was I believe part of the Unite the Right demonstration.
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I don't agree that historically important statues should be torn down either, but chanting "Jews shall not replace us" and other racist slogans vs. protesting racism and anti-semitism on the same moral plane? Seriously? We must live in parallel universes, you and I.
My impression was that the protests got violent when a large group of neo-nazis surrounded a smaller group of student counterprotestors who were standing near one of the statues. I have no idea who threw the first punch, but to me, a larger group surrounding a smaller group is clearly a threatening move. And James Fields, who allegedly drove the car that killed Heather Heyer, was I believe part of the Unite the Right demonstration.
You clearly either don’t understand what happened, don’t want to understand or you just accept the liberal narrative as the truth.
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I don't agree that historically important statues should be torn down either, but chanting "Jews shall not replace us" and other racist slogans vs. protesting racism and anti-semitism on the same moral plane? Seriously? We must live in parallel universes, you and I.
My impression was that the protests got violent when a large group of neo-nazis surrounded a smaller group of student counterprotestors who were standing near one of the statues. I have no idea who threw the first punch, but to me, a larger group surrounding a smaller group is clearly a threatening move. And James Fields, who allegedly drove the car that killed Heather Heyer, was I believe part of the Unite the Right demonstration.
At the risk of being grouped with the neo-Nazi's etc, I would like to point out a few things. Unite the Right applied for, and was given a permit for their rally. Notwithstanding their platform, speeches, or the values they hold, if the city of Charlottsville is going to have a permit process for freedom of speech, then it's on them to abide by the rules of the judge who sided with the rally supporters and did the right thing within the letter of the law.
The counter-protesters never bothered to get a permit(it would have been denied anyway) for the same day, time and location. Therefore - if the rules are to be applied without bias, it was the counter-protesters who were in violation of multiple city ordinances. The counter-protesters should have been dispersed, or arrested, but the city decided to make a political 'statement' and not enforce the rally/permit/gathering ordinances against the liberal counter-protesters. What did they think was going to happen?
The city, and police want a totalitarian authority over free speech then take control of YOUR representative public and exercise appropriate authority and disband the counter-protesters. BTW, aside from the MSM events, most of the reports from those on the ground at the rally site the counter-protesters with throwing trash, feces, and plastic bottles. They also linked arms around the statute that they wanted torn down(yes, they really did) when they were confronted by the Unite The Right who wanted to preserve it.
Again, I'm not supporting the neo-Nazis, however I think they had the US best interest in preserving our history. As those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. So, let the loud-mouth idiots have their rally, if the opposing side shows up without a permit, exclude them, or as needed, arrest them for disorderly conduct. Notwithstanding the position of both sides.
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I don't agree that historically important statues should be torn down either, but chanting "Jews shall not replace us" and other racist slogans vs. protesting racism and anti-semitism on the same moral plane? Seriously? We must live in parallel universes, you and I.
My impression was that the protests got violent when a large group of neo-nazis surrounded a smaller group of student counterprotestors who were standing near one of the statues. I have no idea who threw the first punch, but to me, a larger group surrounding a smaller group is clearly a threatening move. And James Fields, who allegedly drove the car that killed Heather Heyer, was I believe part of the Unite the Right demonstration.
I think we might move in parallel universes if we get our news from different sides. There is no objective news outlet anymore.
My understanding is that the Unite the Right group consisted of several sub groups, only one or a few were neo-Nazi or white supremacist. Those would be the ones shouting "Jews shall not replace us" and are the sick extremists to which I refer. On the other side, some or all are hateful and intolerant of anyone that disagrees with them and "privileged white males" in particular. Their hatred is just as vicious and evil and violence against their targets is even publicly encouraged by their elected leaders (Maxine Waters).
So I'll modify my statement to say that while not all persons present may have been on the same repugnant moral ground, plenty on both sides were.
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So I'll modify my statement to say that while not all persons present may have been on the same repugnant moral ground, plenty on both sides were.
You have to be careful. Trump stirred up a shit storm when he said there was fault on both sides. Those "tolerant" liberals won't tolerate talk like that.