PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Little Joe on April 13, 2023, 04:15:30 AM
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He probably doesn't have a chance, but I'd consider voting for him.
https://time.com/6270897/tim-scott-committee-2024-run/
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Don’t know much about him but so far no problems. Not in 2024 though.
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Don’t know much about him but so far no problems. Not in 2024 though.
Yeah, if he isn't taken out somehow, I think he will be a good successor to DeSantis in 2032.
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Yeah, if he isn't taken out somehow, I think he will be a good successor to DeSantis in 2032.
RDS will need to figure out how to overcome a 30+ point deficit first.
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RDS will need to figure out how to overcome a 30+ point deficit first.
I wouldn't worry about that until AFTER he declares. How big a lead do you expect an un-declared candidate to command?
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I wouldn't worry about that until AFTER he declares. How big a lead do you expect an un-declared candidate to command?
So he will get what? Maybe a 10 point bump when he “declares”? Then that will drop back to about a 5, which still leaves him with a +25 deficit.
Interesting article:
https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/article274263325.html
Ron DeSantis’ critics have spent weeks knocking his national political rollout, attacking his operation’s slow-motion pace and raising doubts about whether he’s already fallen irrevocably behind Donald Trump in the 2024 GOP presidential primary. Now, even some of the Florida governor’s own early supporters are starting to question his strategy. In interviews with more than 20 Republican strategists, DeSantis allies and current and former elected officials, many expressed a growing anxiety about DeSantis’ approach, fretting that a politician who started the year with so much momentum is starting to falter before he even formally becomes a presidential candidate. Their overarching concern: The Florida Republican has already waited too long to launch, leaving him ill-prepared to defend against the former president’s bludgeoning attacks and lagging behind in the type of on-the-ground organizing critical in states with an early nominating contest. “Politics is about seizing the moment — his moment was in December and January — and the door for the Florida governor is closing with every day that he doesn’t formally launch a campaign,” said Dennis Lennox, a Republican operator who helped organize a letter on behalf of Michigan state GOP lawmakers supporting DeSantis. “DeSantis can win this race, but he needs to get in now.” Lennox, like other Republicans interviewed for this story, remains optimistic that the governor can regain momentum, emphasizing that there’s still time to right the ship at this very early stage of the primary. Other Republican strategists who remain neutral in the 2024 GOP primary offered even harsher assessments about DeSantis’ effort so far this year but also usually hastened to add they think he remains a strong potential candidate. The governor just needs to start accelerating his timeline, they say. “If I were one of his advisers, I’d be like ‘Dude, what are you waiting for?,’” Mike Murphy, a Michigan sheriff and DeSantis backer, told McClatchyDC in an interview. “The shots are coming regardless, whether you’re a presidential candidate or in the exploratory phase or dropping hints… I would’ve already announced.” SLIPPING IN POLLS The frustration adds further scrutiny to the decision from DeSantis — who last year won a landslide reelection victory in a once-competitive battleground state — to prioritize Florida’s new legislative session this winter and spring over more concerted attempts to begin laying the groundwork for a presidential campaign. And it comes at a moment when the Florida governor, overshadowed by Trump’s criminal indictment and facing a steady stream of criticism from rivals, has slipped noticeably in early polls of a hypothetical GOP primary.
Read more at: https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/article274263325.html#storylink=cpy
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Florida has a "resign to run" law. If he declares his candidacy for President, he has to resign as governor.
I hope he waits until the last minute to declare. And I trust his judgement to determine when that time will come, IF HE DECIDES to run.
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Florida has a "resign to run" law. If he declares his candidacy for President, he has to resign as governor.
I hope he waits until the last minute to declare. And I trust his judgement to determine when that time will come, IF HE DECIDES to run.
I wish that was a federal law and applied to all politcians.
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Florida has a "resign to run" law. If he declares his candidacy for President, he has to resign as governor.
I hope he waits until the last minute to declare. And I trust his judgement to determine when that time will come, IF HE DECIDES to run.
The irony is that the Republican controlled legislature allegedly created the law to foil Democratic challengers, changing the law as needed to make life easier for their guys, but now it has hobbled DeSantis right out of the starting gate.
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The irony is that the Republican controlled legislature allegedly created the law to foil Democratic challengers, changing the law as needed to make life easier for their guys, but now it has hobbled DeSantis right out of the starting gate.
He knew the law when he ran for Governor.
And I don't think it will hobble him. If he had already declared, the MSM would already be chewing his butt with their lies, even more than they already are.
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So he will get what? Maybe a 10 point bump when he “declares”? Then that will drop back to about a 5, which still leaves him with a +25 deficit.
Interesting article:
https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/article274263325.html
Where were these GOP “strategists” in 2015? It’s almost as if they want DeSantis to blow through his money going blow for blow with Trump now. Why is that? These strategists make money whether a candidate wins or loses.
Trump formed an exploratory committee in March 2015, and didn’t declare until June 16th, 2021. He was the ELEVENTH GOP candidate to declare.
Sounds to me like delaying may be a winning strategy. I’m glad he’s keeping his powder dry.
Saying DeSantis is too late is not reflecting history, and almost seems like Trump supporters trying to separate DeSantis from his fans.
Edit: I just checked the Real Clear Politics polls from the 2016 race. After 2 weeks in the race, Trump polled just 6% on 7/1/15, less than half of poll leading Jeb Bush.
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Where were these GOP “strategists” in 2015? It’s almost as if they want DeSantis to blow through his money going blow for blow with Trump now. Why is that? These strategists make money whether a candidate wins or loses.
Trump formed an exploratory committee in March 2015, and didn’t declare until June 16th, 2021. He was the ELEVENTH GOP candidate to declare.
Sounds to me like delaying may be a winning strategy. I’m glad he’s keeping his powder dry.
Saying DeSantis is too late is not reflecting history, and almost seems like Trump supporters trying to separate DeSantis from his fans.
Might be a strategy by RDS. Dunno. Just reading what others are writing.
I’m beginning to believe the third party candidate angle for the dims. (Not that they need it since they already control the vote in the battleground states).
Splitting the vote (like Ross Perot did) gives the dims even better chances.
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He knew the law when he ran for Governor.
And I don't think it will hobble him. If he had already declared, the MSM would already be chewing his butt with their lies, even more than they already are.
RDS will come under a blistering attack. I expect multiple investigations, possibly an indictment or three, and a bimbo parade.
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There’s something off about this whole DeSantis thing and I can’t quite put my finger on what it is.
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There’s something off about this whole DeSantis thing and I can’t quite put my finger on what it is.
He’s got to dance with the RNC and the establishment R’s if he wants to run (and he’s already doing so)
That will alienate a big block of voters alone. He could go solo and grass roots, and raise funds by small donations like Trump did. But timing is an issue, and he still needs to become nationally known.
Of course, many are still waiting to hear his positions. He stepped in it big with the establishment when he correctly called the Ukraine War what it really was.
He’s walking a tight rope, for sure.
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There’s something off about this whole DeSantis thing and I can’t quite put my finger on what it is.
You're not alone. He has been confounding Democrats for years.
If I were one of the other posters here, I'd say you are being swayed by the lying MSM.
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You're not alone. He has been confounding Democrats for years.
If I were one of the other posters here, I'd say you are being swayed by the lying MSM.
Triggered before breakfast, I see.
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Triggered before breakfast, I see.
LOL! I thought I was being funny.
It appears as though YOU are the one being triggered by recognizing yourself in my comment.
Besides, I had breakfast an hour before posting that.
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You're not alone. He has been confounding Democrats for years.
If I were one of the other posters here, I'd say you are being swayed by the lying MSM.
It’s beyond anything in the news. Besides I’ve quit paying much attention to MSM. It’s a gut feel. Not sure what my problem is. Maybe it’s simply that considering a presidential run seems to be an overreach that came out of nowhere. I can’t imagine why that would even occur to him at this time. Making Governor of Florida was an achievement. It’s like he should stop there and catch his breath and complete that job, then go on to the next thing. Running against Trump is very risky. There’s a good chance he’d lose and in the meantime also lose his position in Florida. There’s a risk of damage to himself that would hurt him if he runs again in 2028. He avoids all of that risk by simply waiting until 2028 when he would have a clear shot.
When comparing the two scenarios it’s like this: Lets say there are two pools between you and the far side and you must swim through one of them to get there. Pool A is full of sharks and there is a better than 50% chance you’ll get eaten and never make it to the other side. Pool B has no sharks but you have to wait a while before you cross. Any rational person would be patient and choose pool B.
But there could be reasons that would make you choose pool A and take the risk. Let’s say your child is on the other side starving and if you don’t cross now he will die before you can use the other pool. Or let’s say someone offers you a billion dollars to risk pool A.
Putting myself in DeSantis’s shoes, I imagine he might think if he doesn’t run now the country will be too far gone by 2028 and be beyond saving. That’s very possibly correct. It may already be, and he sees this as a Hail Mary pass, worth the risk to himself to save the country. But I have not seen or heard any kind of indication that’s what his motivation is. None whatsoever, that he is the self sacrificing type, unlike Trump who gave up the adulation of the left and the media, his status as a beloved celebrity, a peaceful retirement, and now possibly his freedom and life, because he saw America going down the toilet and wanted to save her, and he made that very clear that was his motivation from the time he was young and said he’d consider running for President if it looked like America needed saving.
If that’s DeSantis’s motive he hasn’t yet gotten the message to me. So is it that someone is offering him a billion dollars to swim through pool A? Maybe they’re downplaying the risks. Maybe I’m overestimating the risk. Maybe it’s just a 20% chance he’ll get eaten by the sharks. Maybe it’s only 5%. You have to admit there is some risk, that running now against Trump could permanently damage his presidential prospects. It would mean a very ugly primary.
DeSantis can completely avoid that ugliness by waiting until 2028 when he would end up with virtually 100% of Trump’s base. But if he chooses to fight Trump, he will permanently alienate a portion of them.
It makes no logical sense why he would do that. Do you want to eat a turd today, or wait four years and eat delicious cake?
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LOL! I thought I was being funny.
It appears as though YOU are the one being triggered by recognizing yourself in my comment.
Besides, I had breakfast an hour before posting that.
You Poor, little fellow.
Your obsession with feeling triggered has you making up all kinds of idiotic shit pandering to your ego.
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My girlfriend triggers me.
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It’s beyond anything in the news. Besides I’ve quit paying much attention to MSM. It’s a gut feel. Not sure what my problem is. Maybe it’s simply that considering a presidential run seems to be an overreach that came out of nowhere. I can’t imagine why that would even occur to him at this time. Making Governor of Florida was an achievement. It’s like he should stop there and catch his breath and complete that job, then go on to the next thing. Running against Trump is very risky. There’s a good chance he’d lose and in the meantime also lose his position in Florida. There’s a risk of damage to himself that would hurt him if he runs again in 2028. He avoids all of that risk by simply waiting until 2028 when he would have a clear shot.
When comparing the two scenarios it’s like this: Lets say there are two pools between you and the far side and you must swim through one of them to get there. Pool A is full of sharks and there is a better than 50% chance you’ll get eaten and never make it to the other side. Pool B has no sharks but you have to wait a while before you cross. Any rational person would be patient and choose pool B.
But there could be reasons that would make you choose pool A and take the risk. Let’s say your child is on the other side starving and if you don’t cross now he will die before you can use the other pool. Or let’s say someone offers you a billion dollars to risk pool A.
Putting myself in DeSantis’s shoes, I imagine he might think if he doesn’t run now the country will be too far gone by 2028 and be beyond saving. That’s very possibly correct. It may already be, and he sees this as a Hail Mary pass, worth the risk to himself to save the country. But I have not seen or heard any kind of indication that’s what his motivation is. None whatsoever, that he is the self sacrificing type, unlike Trump who gave up the adulation of the left and the media, his status as a beloved celebrity, a peaceful retirement, and now possibly his freedom and life, because he saw America going down the toilet and wanted to save her, and he made that very clear that was his motivation from the time he was young and said he’d consider running for President if it looked like America needed saving.
If that’s DeSantis’s motive he hasn’t yet gotten the message to me. So is it that someone is offering him a billion dollars to swim through pool A? Maybe they’re downplaying the risks. Maybe I’m overestimating the risk. Maybe it’s just a 20% chance he’ll get eaten by the sharks. Maybe it’s only 5%. You have to admit there is some risk, that running now against Trump could permanently damage his presidential prospects. It would mean a very ugly primary.
DeSantis can completely avoid that ugliness by waiting until 2028 when he would end up with virtually 100% of Trump’s base. But if he chooses to fight Trump, he will permanently alienate a portion of them.
It makes no logical sense why he would do that. Do you want to eat a turd today, or wait four years and eat delicious cake?
But DeSantis has never said he plans to run. That is all speculation by the media. And you blame that on him.
He probably will run. I hope he does. But all of your objections are a product of seeds planted in your mind by others and your resentment that he won't pledge fealty to Trump. As if Trump would ever return the favor.
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You Poor, little fellow.
Your obsession with feeling triggered has you making up all kinds of idiotic shit pandering to your ego.
HaHa. You are actually kind of funny, in a sad sort of way.
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My girlfriend triggers me.
Is that the Amazon, or the Chinese torturer?
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Did you say something?
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Is that the Amazon, or the Chinese torturer?
It depends on what she's wearing.
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Did you say something?
No.
But I'm sure that won't stop you from hearing whatever you want to hear.
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No.
I guess it was the wind.
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But DeSantis has never said he plans to run. That is all speculation by the media. And you blame that on him.
Good point, my speculation about what’s in his mind is all conditional on IF he is actually considering a run right now.
He probably will run.
There, you see? You’re assuming he’s considering it too.
I hope he does. But all of your objections are a product of seeds planted in your mind by others and your resentment that he won't pledge fealty to Trump. As if Trump would ever return the favor.
EXCUSE ME? When have I ever said I resent him for not pledging fealty to Trump?
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So, what is the over/under on the total number of Republicans running for the Presidential nomination?
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EXCUSE ME? When have I ever said I resent him for not pledging fealty to Trump?
You keep saying you have a problem with him but don't know exactly what your problem is.
You adore Trump, and I don't mean that in a bad way. If I though he had a prayer of winning, I would be on his side too.
Trump obviously feels threatened, or otherwise feels the need to disparage and threaten DeSantis.
It's only natural to conclude that is contributing to your feelings towards DeSantis.
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You keep saying you have a problem with him but don't know exactly what your problem is.
You adore Trump, and I don't mean that in a bad way. If I though he had a prayer of winning, I would be on his side too.
Trump obviously feels threatened, or otherwise feels the need to disparage and threaten DeSantis.
It's only natural to conclude that is contributing to your feelings towards DeSantis.
Well that’s jumping to a conclusion that’s wrong. My feelings toward DeSantis have nothing to do with him pledging or not pledging fealty to Trump. He has no obligation to do so, he should base whether or not to support Trump on his opinion of whether or not Trump would be good for the country. I would not want him to be loyal just because Trump endorsed him. I consider that dirty politics.
And before you say well that’s what Trump expects, I say so what? I’ve already said Trump is a narcissist. It’s what narcissists do. Trump is far from perfect. He just happens to be much better for the country than anyone else, in my opinion, certainly much better than the Dems.
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