PILOT SPIN

Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 06, 2016, 08:15:52 AM

Title: Should we worry?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 06, 2016, 08:15:52 AM
Tuesday obama claimed he isn't looking to take anyone guns.

given his track record of lie after lie after lie (if you like your plan....) I'm even more worried about the feds working toward confiscation.

Title: Re: Should we worry?
Post by: nddons on January 06, 2016, 09:21:29 AM
Yes. We should be concerned about death by a thousand "common sense" cuts.

Title: Re: Should we worry?
Post by: Dav8or on January 06, 2016, 09:36:44 AM
We should always worry. Guns in the hands of the populace has always been the rival of big, central government. Our central government will never stop trying to eliminate our gun ownership no matter who is in the White House.
Title: Re: Should we worry?
Post by: acrogimp on January 06, 2016, 09:51:39 AM
Greatest threat since Janet El Reno and her illegal activities funneling Federal dollars to influence local elections and pushing for more gun control in the wake of Waco and Ruby Ridge and Columbine.

This actually represents an existential threat to the 2nd amendment, personal privacy and our history as a free people. 

With the stroke of a pen Obama not only empowered but DIRECTED health care practitioners to violate the HIPAA privacy requirements.  Now, a practitioners belief about your state of mind can be used, pre-emptively and without appeal, to strip you of a natural right recognized in the founding documents of this nation.

It should be terrifying to anyone with a brain, especially in light of the drive over the past 12 or 15 years to criminalize right of center political beliefs and speech.

'If you like your policy, you can keep your policy' until we couldn't, then he said he never said what he said.

When you find yourself on the same side of an issue as Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao (all utilized 'safety' as an argument to first control then confiscate personal weapons), you might think about checking the premise.

'Gimp
Title: Re: Should we worry?
Post by: nddons on January 06, 2016, 09:54:26 AM

We should always worry. Guns in the hands of the populace has always been the rival of big, central government. Our central government will never stop trying to eliminate our gun ownership no matter who is in the White House.

I believe even the Supremes erred in Heller by allowing "some" (undefined) level of restrictions. 
Title: Re: Should we worry?
Post by: LevelWing on January 06, 2016, 08:45:19 PM
I'm not convinced that confiscation will ever be a realistic option, much less happen. That would require law enforcement and potentially military (if we're at that point Posse Comitatus is likely suspended anyway) to physically remove them which is going to risk a lot of gun fights. I also wonder how many would actually be willing to do that since many law enforcement and military are strong supporters of the 2nd amendment.

I think that the government would try to re-instate the assault weapons ban, restrict ammo, place further limitations on who is eligible to purchase weapons, etc. all before it got to confiscation. They would just find a way to render the weapons you have useless.

I don't doubt that if President Obama got his way that there would be a lot more restrictions on guns, making them nearly impossible to get. Thankfully with the mass proliferation of guns in America, that's next to impossible at this point. Even after Sandy Hook and his push to pass that legislation, it failed. Taking away guns is something the American people don't want.
Title: Re: Should we worry?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 07, 2016, 05:53:40 AM


I don't doubt that if President Obama got his way that there would be a lot more restrictions on guns, making them nearly impossible to get. Thankfully with the mass proliferation of guns in America, that's next to impossible at this point. Even after Sandy Hook and his push to pass that legislation, it failed. Taking away guns is something the American people don't want.

There certainly are people that want to take guns.

How did confiscation happen in the UK and Australia?

Title: Re: Should we worry?
Post by: FastEddieB on January 07, 2016, 06:32:36 AM
I was actually a little relieved at the limited scope of his Executive Order.

Good news is that, as an Executive Order, it can be easily rescinded by the next President. So, whatever inconveniences it causes may only last a year.

Plus, Congress can effectively emasculate the Order via legislation, and are at least posturing that they intend to. I just hope they have the balls to carry through on the threat.
Title: Re: Should we worry?
Post by: Anthony on January 11, 2016, 11:09:57 AM
There certainly are people that want to take guns.

How did confiscation happen in the UK and Australia?

The UK, and Australia do NOT have the 2A, and those countries used massed shooting to stir up the liberals, and media to propel legislation.  Obama and the Dems are trying to use the emotion of a few shootings to get more gun control passed.  It is about control of the law abiding populace.  It has nothing to do with reducing violence perpetrated by humans. 
Title: Re: Should we worry?
Post by: LevelWing on January 11, 2016, 08:16:37 PM
I find it ironic that every time the President uses mass shootings as a method to push his gun control platform, he actually causes gun sales to skyrocket.
Title: Re: Should we worry?
Post by: Anthony on January 12, 2016, 06:52:33 AM
I find it ironic that every time the President uses mass shootings as a method to push his gun control platform, he actually causes gun sales to skyrocket.

We keep setting yearly records in gun sales since he's been elected, and it is measured by.......wait for it......BACKGROUND CHECKS.  They count the number of background checks done to see how many guns have been sold.  There are very, very few legal private sales, and most of them are long guns cause several states have banned private sales of handguns. 
Title: Re: Should we worry?
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 12, 2016, 08:56:51 AM
I won't be happy until I hear him say if you like your gun, you can keep your gun.
Title: Re: Should we worry?
Post by: LevelWing on January 13, 2016, 05:50:10 AM

I won't be happy until I hear him say if you like your gun, you can keep your gun.
He's all but said that multiple times when he comes out and says that he doesn't want to take anyone's guns. The reason gun sales are sky rocketing is because nobody believes him.
Title: Re: Should we worry?
Post by: Anthony on January 13, 2016, 05:57:38 AM
He's all but said that multiple times when he comes out and says that he doesn't want to take anyone's guns. The reason gun sales are sky rocketing is because nobody believes him.

Yes, he is an obvious LIAR about everything, so people are right not to believe him.