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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Jim Logajan on February 18, 2018, 05:57:34 PM

Title: Science of psychopaths and extreme altruists; solving the real problem.
Post by: Jim Logajan on February 18, 2018, 05:57:34 PM
Science is finding ways to identify psychopaths by examining their brain structure and that of "extreme altruists" via MRI scan. One difference has been found in the brain’s amygdala. National Geographic has an interesting story on the subject that highlights what is now known:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2017/08/science-good-evil-charlottesville/ (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2017/08/science-good-evil-charlottesville/)

Suppose that such brain scanning could indeed be reasonably relied on to ID those who are non-empathetic. Would it be right to use it to grant or deny rights? Or require medical treatment (assuming such could be found)? What about requiring it of police officers?
Title: Re: Science of psychopaths and extreme altruists; solving the real problem.
Post by: Number7 on February 18, 2018, 07:02:35 PM
Think about all the ways the democrats could use that to circumvent democracy...
Title: Re: Science of psychopaths and extreme altruists; solving the real problem.
Post by: bflynn on February 19, 2018, 07:04:43 AM
This is the start of the way that Hitler circumvented humanity.
Title: Re: Science of psychopaths and extreme altruists; solving the real problem.
Post by: nddons on February 19, 2018, 12:54:23 PM
This is the start of the way that Hitler circumvented humanity.
Exactly.
Title: Re: Science of psychopaths and extreme altruists; solving the real problem.
Post by: asechrest on February 19, 2018, 01:47:42 PM

Sort of reminds me of Minority Report and their pre-crime unit.

On the other hand, we do already have provisions for removing rights from individuals in certain cases if they are deemed to be a danger to themselves and others; involuntary commitment, for example.
Title: Re: Science of psychopaths and extreme altruists; solving the real problem.
Post by: Number7 on February 19, 2018, 02:39:04 PM
As politically incorrect as it is, the truth about our violence problem in America is as obvious as it is simple to solve.

A society - any society - that celebrates the slaughter of unborn children has created the precise environment necessary for those of dubious intellect and even less dependable judgement, to raise the bar, so to speak, and start killing children in schools and malls, and movie theaters...

It is a pathetic blindness that affects liberals to value life so low yet pretend to sit in judgement when those around you act out your vicious, violent, sick, behavior.
Title: Re: Science of psychopaths and extreme altruists; solving the real problem.
Post by: bflynn on February 20, 2018, 07:14:41 AM
As politically incorrect as it is, the truth about our violence problem in America is as obvious as it is simple to solve.

A society - any society - that celebrates the slaughter of unborn children has created the precise environment necessary for those of dubious intellect and even less dependable judgement, to raise the bar, so to speak, and start killing children in schools and malls, and movie theaters...

It is a pathetic blindness that affects liberals to value life so low yet pretend to sit in judgement when those around you act out your vicious, violent, sick, behavior.

While I agree that it's related, it is not limited to the left.  There are people on the right ready to commit violence too.   To me, the missing element is respect. 

The Rev Dr. King gave a lot of speeches and I'm sure everyone know that he had a dream.  One of his lesser known phrases was about a soul generated by love.  I believe that is where the disconnect on the left lies - too many of them have souls generated by lust or greed or hate - anything but love.  And yes, some on the right do too, but it seems far more prevalent on the left and it becomes a cascading effect.  When love of mankind is not present, respect cannot be present and once respect is gone then many bad things happen. 

The opposite is true I think too - when love of mankind is a core value, then respect becomes a core value.  When you respect people, you do not shoot them.  You do not rob them, rape them or bully them.  You do not try to take revenge by murdering them and you don't try to take their rights away from them.  You do not demonize them for your own purposes.

This connection from a love of mankind <-> respect <-> good social outcomes is a relatively new idea for me and I'm still turning it over in my head.  But it feels really right.
Title: Re: Science of psychopaths and extreme altruists; solving the real problem.
Post by: Number7 on February 20, 2018, 08:18:35 AM
It seems like every time the government has expanded abortion and now live - post birth - abortion, along with the new leftist mantra supporting doctor and hospital imposed euthanasia, which is just another word for killing, violence against children has increased significantly.

De-value the meaning of life and those sick souls who thrive on emotional satisfaction, instead of thoughtful and logical, you get unbalanced and unwanted reactions. The opioid craze is simply a new form of emotional numbing for people too self centered to work through their troubles.

When your government motivated by vote buying, tells you it is fine to kill the children you create, because you don't FEEL like being punished with a child, as the treasonous pig, Obama claimed, those less intellectually unstable will grab on to that get out of jail free card as the true gospel and have no respect for the lives of children in general.

It shouldn't surprise anyone that mentally unstable democrats make up the vast majority of mass shooters. that makes perfect sense when you look at the way they are conditioned by the left to think of children as disposable diaper fillers.
Title: Re: Science of psychopaths and extreme altruists; solving the real problem.
Post by: nddons on February 20, 2018, 09:19:20 AM
While I agree that it's related, it is not limited to the left.  There are people on the right ready to commit violence too.   To me, the missing element is respect. 
I don’t want to take away from the rest of your thread, but your first sentence really gets under my skin. This is stated as a truism so often that to say it is untrue is to expose yourself to ridicule.

This was ascribed to the Tea Party where the Tea Party was the most law abiding movement I’ve ever been a part of. Hell, at a rally in Milwaukee Tea Party attendees like myself left the lakefront park in better condition than when we arrived. Yet we are told how violent and racist that movement was.

At this point in our society it is ONLY the left causing violence, rioting, and shutting down speech. The left does none of this. I reject your premise.
Title: Re: Science of psychopaths and extreme altruists; solving the real problem.
Post by: Number7 on February 20, 2018, 09:38:05 AM
The problem that always occurs when talking with a liberal is their unending need to project their shortcomings onto the right.

It is as dependable as night follows day. Whatever the left is accusing us of doing is the very rthing they are engaged in behind our backs.
Title: Re: Science of psychopaths and extreme altruists; solving the real problem.
Post by: bflynn on February 20, 2018, 04:25:47 PM
I don’t want to take away from the rest of your thread, but your first sentence really gets under my skin. This is stated as a truism so often that to say it is untrue is to expose yourself to ridicule.

This was ascribed to the Tea Party where the Tea Party was the most law abiding movement I’ve ever been a part of. Hell, at a rally in Milwaukee Tea Party attendees like myself left the lakefront park in better condition than when we arrived. Yet we are told how violent and racist that movement was.

At this point in our society it is ONLY the left causing violence, rioting, and shutting down speech. The left does none of this. I reject your premise.

It's not intended to get under your skin, nor to attack any right wing group.  It's to remind everyone that this isn't limited to people on the left.  Too often it's only the "other side" that is the problem and I firmly state that from the middle it appears there is blame all over the place...including the middle.
Title: Re: Science of psychopaths and extreme altruists; solving the real problem.
Post by: Little Joe on February 20, 2018, 04:47:28 PM
It's not intended to get under your skin, nor to attack any right wing group.  It's to remind everyone that this isn't limited to people on the left.  Too often it's only the "other side" that is the problem and I firmly state that from the middle it appears there is blame all over the place...including the middle.
I sort of agree with you, but I also get tired of hearing the left say "but Boooooth sides do it".  I disagree with you because generally, the left is MUCH WORSE than the right, but yes, they both do things they shouldn't.
Title: Re: Science of psychopaths and extreme altruists; solving the real problem.
Post by: bflynn on February 20, 2018, 07:26:06 PM
I sort of agree with you, but I also get tired of hearing the left say "but Boooooth sides do it".  I disagree with you because generally, the left is MUCH WORSE than the right, but yes, they both do things they shouldn't.

The left is worse.  And this is the middle saying both sides do it.  Your poop stinks too.
Title: Re: Science of psychopaths and extreme altruists; solving the real problem.
Post by: Little Joe on February 22, 2018, 05:46:39 AM
The left is worse.  And this is the middle saying both sides do it.  Your poop stinks too.
Well,
you got me there.