PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on October 04, 2017, 04:24:50 PM
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This guy is such a fucking moron.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2017/10/04/hillarys-running-mate-vegas-massacre-was-stopped-because-the-shooter-didnt-have-a-silencer-n2390778
He was only stopped finally because he did not have a silencer on his weapon. And the sound drew people to the place where he was ultimately stopped. Can you imagine what this would have been if he had silencers on these weapons?”
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Fucktards.
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Yes, Hillary, the Dems, and the media are using this to stop the Suppressor legislation from going through. Ryan already caved on it.
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Yes, Hillary, the Dems, and the media are using this to stop the Suppressor legislation from going through. Ryan already caved on it.
Ryan is one of the best things the liberals have had as a Speaker.
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A silencer is safety equipment for the shooter. It helps protect their hearing.
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A silencer is safety equipment for the shooter. It helps protect their hearing.
Exactly. The use of suppressors is encouraged in Europe as a courtesy also. The guns are banned, but suppressors aren't.
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Exactly. The use of suppressors is encouraged in Europe as a courtesy also. The guns are banned, but suppressors aren't.
Please help me understand the need for suppressors. At the range or out hunting there is already effective hearing protection that can be attached to the particpants' or observers' heads or stuck in their ears. It's well understood that if you go to a shooting range it will be loud and it is best to be prepared. It seems that the only time a suppressor is truly needed is if one goes shooting outside of a range or a hunt and you want to protect the hearing of those unaware or unprepared that shooting is taking place. In that case I would think that loud is good as a warning that shooting is happening.
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Please help me understand the need for suppressors.
First, you need to understand that a suppressor doesn't "silence" the gun--not even close. A suppressor is MUCH less effective than a muffler on a car. What it does do is muffle some of the "crack" of the report, making it sound like more of a "thump". I went to a rifle match last year that was held on a Marine base. A few Marines were shooting suppressed M4s, and the sound of their fire could clearly be heard, even wearing ear muffs and ear plugs together.
Dianne Feinstein and Hillary have been watching too many 007 movies.
Tim
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Please help me understand the need for suppressors. At the range or out hunting there is already effective hearing protection that can be attached to the particpants' or observers' heads or stuck in their ears. It's well understood that if you go to a shooting range it will be loud and it is best to be prepared. It seems that the only time a suppressor is truly needed is if one goes shooting outside of a range or a hunt and you want to protect the hearing of those unaware or unprepared that shooting is taking place. In that case I would think that loud is good as a warning that shooting is happening.
Well, first off a suppressor is for the flash from the muzzle of a rifle. A 'silencer' is what you are asking about from the text of your statement. No matter either way, there is no NEED for either one of them. I don't NEED much more than a mud hut, bowl of gruel, and a leather or fur wrap when it gets cold. But a lot of people want suppressors and silencers.
A flash suppressor will reduce the amount of post-discharge light emitted from the barrel of a rifle. Not much, but anything helps in a tactical situation at night. A silencer on a rifle is mostly for show, unless one is firing a rifle with such a low muzzle velocity that it doesn't exceed the speed of sound(1100 ft per sec, roughly). A short barrel .22Ga rifle, like a Daisy standard has a muzzle velocity just over that with .22LR rounds. Fitting a silencer to it, might knock down the sound a few Db? It will help to reduce the sound to the sides and back of the weapon, but won't do much if one is in the cone of fire.
A silencer on a magnum round like the .223 is almost completely worthless, except - where it is used as an extended flash suppressor! Because the visible flame bloom from the magnum rifle will be mostly captured in the canister. However, the sound of the bullet as it passes the speed of sound will be heard no matter what you stick on the end of your magnum barrel.
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First, you need to understand that a suppressor doesn't "silence" the gun--not even close. A suppressor is MUCH less effective than a muffler on a car. What it does do is muffle some of the "crack" of the report, making it sound like more of a "thump". I went to a rifle match last year that was held on a Marine base. A few Marines were shooting suppressed M4s, and the sound of their fire could clearly be heard, even wearing ear muffs and ear plugs together.
Dianne Feinstein and Hillary have been watching too many 007 movies.
Tim
There is also a big difference between suppressors on handguns vs rifles. I'm not sure of the physics, but while suppressors on handguns are mildly "silencing", suppressors on rifles are mostly useless.
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I have suppressors. I love shooting with them and hope to hell they never get banned, but.. I have to side with the lib side on this one. One of my favorite things is shooting subsonic ammo out of the AR15 with my suppressor. It is quiet as hell. Sounds like an air gun. There is no way in hell anyone would hear someone shooting sub sonic ammo through a suppressed rifle at that range. Just like the movies, well.. almost. Especially if it is not a semi auto and there is not repeating action of the gun. I also do a lot of long range shooting and use it for that as well. Shooting normal ammo, It will not hide the "Crack". That is the sound the bullet makes when it breaks the speed of sound. Impossible to hide that, but it does hide the "BOOM". I can shoot without any ear protection and the only sounds I hear are the gun action, air rifle sound, then the "crack".
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Well, first off a suppressor is for the flash from the muzzle of a rifle. A 'silencer' is what you are asking about from the text of your statement.
That's where my confusion comes in, and I thank everyone for their knowledge here. My M1A has a flash suppressor which does nothing for the sound but does make it oh so scary so it's not legal in California. I can't imagine that a sound suppressor would do much to quiet it down.
OK, a little googling found that
Silencer - The legal definition for a firearm suppression device (sound)
Suppressor - The technical definition for a firearm suppression device (sound and/or flash)
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I have suppressors. I love shooting with them and hope to hell they never get banned, but.. I have to side with the lib side on this one. One of my favorite things is shooting subsonic ammo out of the AR15 with my suppressor. It is quiet as hell. Sounds like an air gun. There is no way in hell anyone would hear someone shooting sub sonic ammo through a suppressed rifle at that range. Just like the movies, well.. almost. Especially if it is not a semi auto and there is not repeating action of the gun. I also do a lot of long range shooting and use it for that as well. Shooting normal ammo, It will not hide the "Crack". That is the sound the bullet makes when it breaks the speed of sound. Impossible to hide that, but it does hide the "BOOM". I can shoot without any ear protection and the only sounds I hear are the gun action, air rifle sound, then the "crack".
I've never used subsonic ammo in an AR but I can't imagine it would have any range. It certainly wouldn't have been of any use to the guy in Vegas at that distance. Even subsonic .22LR ammo has no range and you can watch it fly through the air to the target. The much heavier .223 round would drop like a rock I'd think.
Using standard ammo in an AR with a suppressor dampens the sound to a very loud crack. I.e. You'll still want hearing protection. Somewhat louder than a .22LR maybe. It might have helped the Vegas shooter a little at first, but not for long. Once the music stopped you'd have still heard the shots. They just wouldn't have been as loud.
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The much heavier .223 round would drop like a rock I'd think.
Galileo proved that this is not true.
So did Apollo 15 Commander David Scott.
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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/10/16/oh-here-we-go-former-obama-aide-suggests-we-enact-australianstyle-gun-control-n2394408
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Galileo proved that this is not true.
So did Apollo 15 Commander David Scott.
True. The weight of the object does not effect gravity. The forward velocity determines the angle of decent. The vertical accelleration (on this planet) is always 9.8M/sec/sec. If a heavier bullet travels at a slower velocity, it may reach the ground sooner, but not because it weighs more.
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True. The weight of the object does not effect gravity. The forward velocity determines the angle of decent. The vertical accelleration (on this planet) is always 9.8M/sec/sec. If a heavier bullet travels at a slower velocity, it may reach the ground sooner, but not because it weighs more.
I had this discussion with the owner of a firearm manufacturing firm while sitting at a hockey game. He argued Galileo's theory, with which I don't disagree. However, I was wondering if the shape of a rifle bullet imparted any sort of lift that would overcome gravity to some extent, at least for some distance after the bullet leaves a barrel. I'm not sure how we resolved that question, but the Leinenkugel's Red was tasting good.
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I had this discussion with the owner of a firearm manufacturing firm while sitting at a hockey game. He argued Galileo's theory, with which I don't disagree. However, I was wondering if the shape of a rifle bullet imparted any sort of lift that would overcome gravity to some extent, at least for some distance after the bullet leaves a barrel. I'm not sure how we resolved that question, but the Leinenkugel's Red was tasting good.
My understanding is bullet shapes don't create lift as the pressure differentials would create inaccuracy. Also, the lift would create drag which could also lessen the distance the bullet travels.
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So, it looks like the Vegas shooter brought a laptop to the hotel after removing its hard drive.
Correct me if I'm wrong, techies, but is there any reason to bring a laptop if it has no hard drive? Is it even useable?
Or, and I'm just spitballing here, someone removed it after the fact, and is feeding us yet another line of bullshit.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/us/stephen-paddock-bruce-paddock-vegas.html?referer=https://www.bing.com/search?q=las%20vegas%20hard%20drive&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&pq=las%20vegas%20hard%20drive&sc=4-20&sk=&cvid=6F560FF7C2714447B44F4DDA4A76F206
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So, it looks like the Vegas shooter brought a laptop to the hotel after removing its hard drive.
Correct me if I'm wrong, techies, but is there any reason to bring a laptop if it has no hard drive? Is it even useable?
Or, and I'm just spitballing here, someone removed it after the fact, and is feeding us yet another line of bullshit.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/us/stephen-paddock-bruce-paddock-vegas.html?referer=https://www.bing.com/search?q=las%20vegas%20hard%20drive&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&pq=las%20vegas%20hard%20drive&sc=4-20&sk=&cvid=6F560FF7C2714447B44F4DDA4A76F206
We've been fed a line of bullshit from the beginning.
Anyone every hear of interviews with injured people since the first night?
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So, it looks like the Vegas shooter brought a laptop to the hotel after removing its hard drive.
Correct me if I'm wrong, techies, but is there any reason to bring a laptop if it has no hard drive? Is it even useable?
Or, and I'm just spitballing here, someone removed it after the fact, and is feeding us yet another line of bullshit.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/us/stephen-paddock-bruce-paddock-vegas.html?referer=https://www.bing.com/search?q=las%20vegas%20hard%20drive&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&pq=las%20vegas%20hard%20drive&sc=4-20&sk=&cvid=6F560FF7C2714447B44F4DDA4A76F206
Depending on the ROM boot settings, it could boot and run from something plugged into one of its USB ports - like a DVD drive or memory stick. Otherwise the laptop is just as a high-tech brick. Did they check his stomach for a memory stick?