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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: invflatspin on August 16, 2017, 07:28:16 PM

Title: Nationalist vs supremicist This is a critical differentiator
Post by: invflatspin on August 16, 2017, 07:28:16 PM
I've been reading all I can from the MSM about the recent dust up in VA. I'm finding a serious issue with shading or even mis-identifying some of the protesters ideology.

I"m an unrepentant nationalist. I think the US as a NATION is superior to all other nations. This goes for our capitalism, sociology, civil structure, cultural identity, liberty, and respect for private property rights. However, just because I consider the US as superior, I do NOT consider us superior as a predominantly white race nation.

Now, having said that - a stroll through US history will show that most of the advancements for which we place our success on were started, or advanced by those of the white race. And yes, I do know about the blood transfusion advances, and the great work done in ag by Geo Carver. 

The MSM, and many elitists are bent on identity political affiliation. I have no interest in any of the skin color based identity affiliations thrust on the country by the MSM and progs. However, I remain a nationalist, and won't be swayed from that for anything.

If that makes me a 'supremacist' then so be it. But do NOT ever ascribe, or identify me by a racial component along with the desire to be known to the world as an American nationalist. Clearly the BLM, and other literal race groups want that identification and if they so choose, that's fine with me. But - include me out. I'm truly am maybe the only color-blind person left in the country.
Title: Re: Nationalist vs supremicist This is a critical differentiator
Post by: Jaybird180 on August 16, 2017, 08:56:56 PM
Glad to see that someone is using their noggin.
Maybe we'll debate content later.
Title: Re: Nationalist vs supremicist This is a critical differentiator
Post by: Number7 on August 17, 2017, 04:23:40 AM
There is an underbelly of seething hatred among a subset of Americans being used by the alt-left to gin up violence and hate, to push the country towards a civil war.

It's working because so many far leftists love the idea of pretending to be victims.
Title: Re: Nationalist vs supremicist This is a critical differentiator
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 17, 2017, 05:56:05 AM
You can't be a Leftist without being a victim of something.
Title: Re: Nationalist vs supremicist This is a critical differentiator
Post by: Lucifer on August 17, 2017, 06:00:41 AM
There is an underbelly of seething hatred among a subset of Americans being used by the alt-left to gin up violence and hate, to push the country towards a civil war.

It's working because so many far leftists love the idea of pretending to be victims.

Cloward and Piven, and Saul Alinsky.

Read those and you can see exactly what's happening.
Title: Re: Nationalist vs supremicist This is a critical differentiator
Post by: Lucifer on August 17, 2017, 06:02:12 AM

Maybe we'll debate content later.

 No you won't.  I've yet to see you attempt to debate anyone without you throwing the race card back at them.   When facts are presented you run as fast as you can.
Title: Re: Nationalist vs supremicist This is a critical differentiator
Post by: Anthony on August 17, 2017, 06:52:03 AM
Cloward and Piven, and Saul Alinsky.

Read those and you can see exactly what's happening.

It is the Obama/Hillary Clinton playbook.  The Left is upset because Hillary lost and this playbook has taken a back seat.  However, they have brought it back with their most recent HATE AMERICA campaign.  I didn't think this before, but as the Left gets more emboldened, and more violent, I think we will see another shooting war in this country during our lifetimes.  The police are allowing, and sometimes at the orders of their Democrat leadership, encouraging it.  Baltimore Mayor during BLM riots - "Let them loot, it's only property".
Title: Re: Nationalist vs supremicist This is a critical differentiator
Post by: invflatspin on August 17, 2017, 07:03:17 AM
I don't really mind so much being called a racist. People don't know me, make outlandish claims, assumptions, etc. It happens. I draw the line at some kind of affiliation with organized race-centric programs or well-defined race identity group. I"m a nationalist. My support of the country has nothing to do with skin color. The MSM is trying to paint all nationalists as being Nazi, or KKK, or some other brand to evoke their base.

I think there were plenty of nationalists at that rally in VA who were just like me, and had no interest in the racial element but wanted to preserve history, and preserve the right to assemble. The fact that there WAS in fact an element of racial supremacy got them all branded with the same overly-broad brush.

I can bet anyone, that there is a majority out there just like me. We don't protest, we don't march, and we don't make a big deal about our ideology most of the time. The progs on the left are going to reach a boiling point, do something to the country that strikes us as anti-American just too far, and woe be it when that happens.
Title: Re: Nationalist vs supremicist This is a critical differentiator
Post by: Lucifer on August 17, 2017, 07:04:50 AM
It is the Obama/Hillary Clinton playbook.  The Left is upset because Hillary lost and this playbook has taken a back seat.  However, they have brought it back with their most recent HATE AMERICA campaign.  I didn't think this before, but as the Left gets more emboldened, and more violent, I think we will see another shooting war in this country during our lifetimes.  The police are allowing, and sometimes at the orders of their Democrat leadership, encouraging it.  Baltimore Mayor during BLM riots - "Let them loot, it's only property".

Keep in mind that the Progressives are a very minor group.  The only reason they appear to have any traction is the MSM is in bed with them.

When push comes to shove this will become evident.  The progressives have severely under estimated the people in the fly over country, ya know, the delorables that cling to their bibles and guns.  BHO had the progressives convinced they were no longer a factor.    Wrong.
Title: Re: Nationalist vs supremicist This is a critical differentiator
Post by: bflynn on August 17, 2017, 08:32:20 AM
If that makes me a 'supremacist'

It actually doesn't matter.  This isn't about logic or reality, it is about power and blame.  They want to power to mistreat all white people because they are all racist bigots.  Unless you kow-tow right now and admit the error of your ancestor's ways.
Title: Re: Nationalist vs supremicist This is a critical differentiator
Post by: Steingar on August 17, 2017, 08:41:51 AM
I'm an unrepentant nationalist. I think the US as a NATION is superior to all other nations. This goes for our capitalism, sociology, civil structure, cultural identity, liberty, and respect for private property rights. However, just because I consider the US as superior, I do NOT consider us superior as a predominantly white race nation.

I think you're using the wrong word.  You aren't a nationalist, you're a patriot.  You can easily be one of those without falling into the basket of deplorables.
Title: Re: Nationalist vs supremicist This is a critical differentiator
Post by: Anthony on August 17, 2017, 08:42:50 AM
Keep in mind that the Progressives are a very minor group.  The only reason they appear to have any traction is the MSM is in bed with them.

When push comes to shove this will become evident.  The progressives have severely under estimated the people in the fly over country, ya know, the delorables that cling to their bibles and guns.  BHO had the progressives convinced they were no longer a factor.    Wrong.

I used to think we needed to pull politicians out of their offices, physically, and tar, and feather them, throw them in a cattle car, and run them out of town.  Now I think we need to do that to the people in the media.  The media is THE ENEMY.  They hate America, and all it has stood for.  They are WAY too powerful. 
Title: Re: Nationalist vs supremicist This is a critical differentiator
Post by: Lucifer on August 17, 2017, 09:04:00 AM
I used to think we needed to pull politicians out of their offices, physically, and tar, and feather them, throw them in a cattle car, and run them out of town.  Now I think we need to do that to the people in the media.  The media is THE ENEMY.  They hate America, and all it has stood for.  They are WAY too powerful.

 Actually they're not, that's why you are seeing the meltdown.   For many years they were the "Fourth Estate" and they did command power. But the outlets were few such as national newspapers and 3 TV networks plus PBS and radio such as NPR.   Readers and listeners had no where else to really go to know if what they were being told was factual or not.

 Then cable news comes along and gives the "24 hour news cycle".  Not long afterwards the internet emerges and now gives even more options and other angles on the stories.  Fast forward a few years, the internet has a bigger impact with smart phones and the capability of the average citizen to be armed with a camera and video recorder with direct access to the internet.  Now throw in thousands and thousands of bloggers and various people with their own websites.

 Now the MSM can't control the narrative.  If they attempt to falsify a story there are others that are showing the truth.  The once great and powerful Fourth Estate has now become the fifth column in a sleazy tabloid.
Title: Re: Nationalist vs supremicist This is a critical differentiator
Post by: Jaybird180 on August 17, 2017, 09:29:23 AM
No you won't.  I've yet to see you attempt to debate anyone without you throwing the race card back at them.   When facts are presented you run as fast as you can.
I'm done with your "Angry White Dude" routine.
Title: Re: Nationalist vs supremicist This is a critical differentiator
Post by: Lucifer on August 17, 2017, 09:30:54 AM
I'm done with your "Angry White Dude" routine.

 Why are you such a racist?
Title: Re: Nationalist vs supremicist This is a critical differentiator
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on August 17, 2017, 11:34:07 AM
Why are you such a racist?
Jaybird makes a very nice living on a federal paycheck, yet he hates this "white" country.