Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 25, 2022, 06:11:51 PM
"The hero of this story is Anders Tegnell, Sweden’s chief epidemiologist. He was Sweden’s Anthony Fauci, but unlike the now-widely discredited Fauci, Tegnell eschewed lockdowns. The international media pilloried him for not following “the science.” At first, it seemed the Swedish live- and-let-live strategy was a miserable failure. Death rates soared higher than in other European nations....
Two years later, Sweden’s COVID-19 death rate is 1,614 per million people — much lower than Britain (2,335) or the U.S. (2,836), which both had much more stringent lockdowns. Sweden appears to have achieved herd immunity much more swiftly and thor- oughly than other nations. Deaths were higher at the start of the pandemic but fell much lower than other lock- down nations in succeeding months."
unfortunately, the author of that piece did not provide any references.
btw - it is my understanding that you can find the same sort of correlation between less stringent lockdowns and better overall death rates during the Spanish Flu pandemic.
Post by: Rush on February 25, 2022, 06:47:38 PM
Post by: Anthony on February 26, 2022, 03:30:36 AM
Post by: Rush on February 26, 2022, 05:21:22 AM
Their population may not be as obese as others. That's the killer.
True but deaths were higher at the start of the pandemic so that wouldn’t explain it. But there may be other factors. Sweden’s climate for example. Are deaths related to weather? We think so with flu, in theory. Then there is race and demographics. On top of all that there are differences in reporting. Are their deaths “with” or “of”? Not sure any of these statistics are really meaningful.
But I stand by my comment about common sense. Common sense says if you “slow the spread” then it takes longer to get herd immunity. Common sense says our species didn’t evolve to not be social and to cover half our face all day and that doing those things may cause unforeseen harm to society worse than covid. Common sense says once you realize the disease is more akin to flu than the Black Death you don’t use it as an excuse to wreck your economy and destroy people’s livelihoods for years.
Post by: Anthony on February 26, 2022, 05:28:25 AM
True but deaths were higher at the start of the pandemic so that wouldn’t explain it. But there may be other factors. Sweden’s climate for example. Are deaths related to weather? We think so with flu, in theory. Then there is race and demographics. On top of all that there are differences in reporting. Are their deaths “with” or “of”? Not sure any of these statistics are really meaningful.
But I stand by my comment about common sense. Common sense says if you “slow the spread” then it takes longer to get herd immunity. Common sense says our species didn’t evolve to not be social and to cover half our face all day and that doing those things may cause unforeseen harm to society worse than covid. Common sense says once you realize the disease is more akin to flu than the Black Death you don’t use it as an excuse to wreck your economy and destroy people’s livelihoods for years.
Agreed. Don't know how weather affects Covid, but it's got to affect your immune system depending on the harshness and conditions. Your second paragraph is spot on.
Post by: Rush on February 26, 2022, 06:23:18 AM
Agreed. Don't know how weather affects Covid, but it's got to affect your immune system depending on the harshness and conditions. Your second paragraph is spot on.
I don’t really know either. At first we thought it would be like flu and be worse in winter but then we had cases spike in summer. But maybe the effects of lockdowns in spring caused that, people who should have got it earlier didn’t until they loosened up when the weather got warm.
Lockdowns don’t reduce transmission, they delay it. The whole “flatten the curve” theory is real, but solves nothing. It merely delays the virus evolving into a mild common cold and causes irreparable and massive harm to society, the economy and people’s psychological health as well as additional deaths due to lockdowns rather than covid. (Suicide, delayed treatment, and increased crime and poverty)
Post by: nddons on February 26, 2022, 07:34:32 AM
Their population may not be as obese as others. That's the killer.I went to a Swedish Lutheran college even though I’m Polish Catholic. I worked part time in the food service and dreaded Swedish night. I would be skinny too if I had to eat that shit.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on February 26, 2022, 08:16:39 AM
Common sense says once you realize the disease is more akin to flu than the Black Death you don’t use it as an excuse to wreck your economy and destroy people’s livelihoods for years.
This was not driven by "science" or medical expertise, it's driven by politics of the worst kind.
Post by: bflynn on February 26, 2022, 04:28:31 PM
True but deaths were higher at the start of the pandemic so that wouldn’t explain it. But there may be other factors.
Perhaps the sparseness of Sweden’s population. It’s clear from US data that the density of the population is a factor.
Post by: texasag93 on February 26, 2022, 04:54:29 PM
Post by: Username on February 26, 2022, 04:56:14 PM
Post by: Number7 on February 26, 2022, 08:51:54 PM
It's all been a crock of shit, stirred by a megalomaniac.
Post by: Anthony on February 27, 2022, 02:46:48 AM
I think Sweden has less diabetic/obese people and know how to count the people who died from Covid rather that with it?
Seems that way. N7 is correct. All a huge LIE.