Post by: Number7 on October 17, 2018, 07:00:04 AM
When did, 'Love Trumps Hate,' morph into, 'If you DARE disagree with our agenda we will beat your ass into the ground?'
Why is the left so willing to attack, abuse, harass and destroy in the name of political purity? Are we living in Nazi Germany these days?
Why do normal democrats permit their party to devolve into a steaming cauldron of hate, racism, anti-semitism, flagrant discrimination, lawlessness, arsonists and thugs? And that is really only touching the surface.
George Lopez, a has been comedian who promised to move to Canada if Donald Trump was elected President, attacked a man in a bar. Cell phone footage has surfaced of him instigating the violence, for cheering Donald Trump and saying (wait for it) MAGA in a public place.
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2018/10/16/george-lopez-fight-hooters-trump-new-mexico/
Non-violent, non-pansy democrats are literally afraid to speak up because of the viciousness of their own party.
ANTIFA takes over downtown Portland and attacks people for 'disobeying orders' from the thug-o-cracy.
Arson, destruction of property and assault has become the new agenda of the left and normal democrats (if any exist anymore) stand by and let it happen, just like normal Catholics stood by while their priests became the largest pedophile ring on earth.
What drives a political party to toss off decency in their haste to grab, and/or retain power?
Lizzy Warren, Hilary Clinton and Mental Maxine have no real corner on the mass insanity that really is the heart of the democrat (communist) party.
The question is, why do non-insane people in the party allow it, stand for it, and refuse to stop it?
Post by: Anthony on October 17, 2018, 07:26:44 AM
Hillary was supposed to complete Fundamental Transformation. The string pullers like Soros had it in the bag, then Trump won. Now since they can't get their agenda through legally, and through our system of elections, they are turning to violence, and intimidation. Watch what happens when the lose the midterms.
Post by: invflatspin on October 17, 2018, 08:40:47 AM
They have to do this. To acknowledge that some of their deeply held beliefs about their righteous political endeavor are false is just a bridge too far for them to take. There is a rigidity of organization, and an almost Socratic devotion to the pillars of idealism on the left that has an equivalence to religious spiritual faith. The process of marginalizing the conservative POV goes along with the ability of the leaders to call for violence, even if it's couched in rhetorical device. The inner 'meaning' of the actions is understood, because they've heard it before, and also it's been reinforced by the authorities that any kind of civil disobedience will be forgiven the next day, or will not be handled at the time the violence is taking place. We see this again, and again around the nation as the liberals continue to fail, and be marginalized as a movement.
I guess it is no surprise that the left also attempts to denigrate, and at a minimum oppose the real church, and real belief systems presented by organized religion. The real religion cannot be allowed to supplant the false idol of political power and control. Which tactically might be a positive, but strategically will prove to be a negative. If the left would cozy up to the various faiths in the US and be more conciliatory to those who worship, it would be a devastating combination. But - like all 'faith' movements, there can be only one major organization, with only one top Carny Barker, and the left will not cede that kind of stage to another false prophet.
Post by: Lucifer on October 17, 2018, 08:44:36 AM
You will be amazed.
Post by: Rush on October 17, 2018, 09:58:13 AM
As it marches along, I've been developing some theories on this, and most here are not going to like my conclusion. With my disdain for anything of faith or spirits, it seems to me that the liberals are more invested, and involved in their politics to the point of making it somewhat like a religious mantra. The left has to believe strongly in the faith of their movement, and anything or anyone that gets in the way of that is pissing on their One True Faith. The conservatives see advocates come and go, they see people voting across the aisle, and it's kind of 'meh, whatev dude, you'll be sorry, and you'll be back'. But - on the other side of the political divide, anyone who leaves the party is a traitor, a steaming pile of dung, a disgusting and vile barely human piece of trash.
They have to do this. To acknowledge that some of their deeply held beliefs about their righteous political endeavor are false is just a bridge too far for them to take. There is a rigidity of organization, and an almost Socratic devotion to the pillars of idealism on the left that has an equivalence to religious spiritual faith. The process of marginalizing the conservative POV goes along with the ability of the leaders to call for violence, even if it's couched in rhetorical device. The inner 'meaning' of the actions is understood, because they've heard it before, and also it's been reinforced by the authorities that any kind of civil disobedience will be forgiven the next day, or will not be handled at the time the violence is taking place. We see this again, and again around the nation as the liberals continue to fail, and be marginalized as a movement.
I guess it is no surprise that the left also attempts to denigrate, and at a minimum oppose the real church, and real belief systems presented by organized religion. The real religion cannot be allowed to supplant the false idol of political power and control. Which tactically might be a positive, but strategically will prove to be a negative. If the left would cozy up to the various faiths in the US and be more conciliatory to those who worship, it would be a devastating combination. But - like all 'faith' movements, there can be only one major organization, with only one top Carny Barker, and the left will not cede that kind of stage to another false prophet.
I don't know why most here wouldn't like your conclusion, it's fairly obvious. Conservatives like Sean Hannity have been calling one of the left's pet causes, environmentalism, a religion for a while now and you simply extend it to all their causes and, their base ideology which is of course Marxism, communism, postmodernism, whatever you label it - it's the collective utopia - proven time and again to be a catestrophic failure in real life and against all natural law, of course the only way you can believe in it is if it's held up as a mystical idol.
The unhinged violent left reminds me of the Islamofascists who hate whichever other faction of Islam isn't their preferred brand. The walkway ex-Democrats are probably going to feel their wrath more than us ordinary deplorables.
They are fundamentalist extremists. No different from any other violent religious fanatic, at all.
Post by: invflatspin on October 17, 2018, 10:09:18 AM
I don't know why most here wouldn't like your conclusion, it's fairly obvious.
Because we have some very devout spiritualists here who don't take kindly to criticism of faith. Any kind of comparison to the structure or devotion to specific monotheism is sacrilege. And - because I'm a heathen who will burn the the hell-fire of eternal death. I guess...
Post by: nddons on October 17, 2018, 11:00:41 AM
There is so much violence coming from democrats (communists) that you'd think that it is impossible for the democrat (communist) agenda to win in any venue.I would add one more group to your list. The non-violent but pansy Democrats, inclusion most politicians, who WILLINGLY AND KNOWINGLY fail to condemn violence committed on their behalf by groups like Antifa, BLM, and worse. Listen to the protestations by politicians and the media
When did, 'Love Trumps Hate,' morph into, 'If you DARE disagree with our agenda we will beat your ass into the ground?'
Why is the left so willing to attack, abuse, harass and destroy in the name of political purity? Are we living in Nazi Germany these days?
Why do normal democrats permit their party to devolve into a steaming cauldron of hate, racism, anti-semitism, flagrant discrimination, lawlessness, arsonists and thugs? And that is really only touching the surface.
George Lopez, a has been comedian who promised to move to Canada if Donald Trump was elected President, attacked a man in a bar. Cell phone footage has surfaced of him instigating the violence, for cheering Donald Trump and saying (wait for it) MAGA in a public place.
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2018/10/16/george-lopez-fight-hooters-trump-new-mexico/
Non-violent, non-pansy democrats are literally afraid to speak up because of the viciousness of their own party.
ANTIFA takes over downtown Portland and attacks people for 'disobeying orders' from the thug-o-cracy.
Arson, destruction of property and assault has become the new agenda of the left and normal democrats (if any exist anymore) stand by and let it happen, just like normal Catholics stood by while their priests became the largest pedophile ring on earth.
What drives a political party to toss off decency in their haste to grab, and/or retain power?
Lizzy Warren, Hilary Clinton and Mental Maxine have no real corner on the mass insanity that really is the heart of the democrat (communist) party.
The question is, why do non-insane people in the party allow it, stand for it, and refuse to stop it?
Against calling such groups “the M word”, MOBS, even though those same projectionists called the Tea Party mobs.
Filth, all of them.
Post by: nddons on October 17, 2018, 11:54:44 AM
https://freebeacon.com/politics/two-gop-candidates-assaulted-minnesota/
Post by: Anthony on October 17, 2018, 12:14:39 PM
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/10/17/andrew-gillum-graduated-training-school-that-spawned-soros-army-of-revolutionaries/
Post by: nddons on October 17, 2018, 01:42:46 PM
Some of these "Mobs", and activist groups are funded by George Soros. They are anything but "grass roots" organizations, but purposeful radical, destabilization groups. A who's who of Communist activism. Read it and weep.Soros should be arrested and tried for treason.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/10/17/andrew-gillum-graduated-training-school-that-spawned-soros-army-of-revolutionaries/
Post by: Lucifer on October 17, 2018, 01:44:59 PM
Soros should be arrested and tried for treason.
How about sending him over to the Saudi Embassy for a visit?
Post by: nddons on October 17, 2018, 01:47:28 PM
How about sending him over to the Saudi Embassy for a visit?Ha. I was thinking that but chose not to write it. Just kidding NSA!
Post by: Rush on October 17, 2018, 03:46:34 PM
Because we have some very devout spiritualists here who don't take kindly to criticism of faith. Any kind of comparison to the structure or devotion to specific monotheism is sacrilege. And - because I'm a heathen who will burn the the hell-fire of eternal death. I guess...
Yeah but they're not violent fanatics. I certainly wouldn't compare the left to good religious people.
Post by: invflatspin on October 17, 2018, 04:43:16 PM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 18, 2018, 06:19:25 PM
https://www.hatetriots.com/2018/10/nancy-pelosi-shouted-out-of-restaurant.html?m=1&fbclid=IwAR1ye6_GGlIdg5L4M1Vx5hZruXKn33c6hwyU8OJw1es6uMsrzQB_Ss37tDY
Post by: invflatspin on October 18, 2018, 07:38:50 PM
Post by: acrogimp on October 19, 2018, 08:17:16 AM
By balkanizing everything and everyone, down to the smallest possible grouping they create an endless string of loosely connected victim classes that they convince are special by nature of a very limited circumstance (their plumbing, their sexual preference, their color of skin, etc.,), then they go on vile screeds where they demonize the opposition in such a way that violence is not only condoned but seems appropriate given the stark evil the other side is said to represent.
This is only going to get worse, we are going to see a descent into madness and violence along the lines of but far worse I fear than the 60's.
If, as some of us assume, the fabricated, I mean predicted Blue Wave is a wash and the Republicans maintain or grow their majority around the nation the Left will go full-on bat shit crazy - assault, assassination and all other manner of political violence WILL occur - property crimes, etc., and it will all be organized and funded in a way that a true hard-core law and order type could probably catch the DNC up in a RICO prosecution. But, real people are going to suffer.
Lefties better remember though who has most of the guns, because Joe Six Pack is only going to go-along-to-get-along for so long before we get tired of their nonsense.
'Gimp
Post by: acrogimp on October 19, 2018, 08:36:36 AM
'Gimp
Post by: Rush on October 19, 2018, 08:54:35 AM
I would add that Leftists are, in terms of textbook definition, the real Fascists, and as such violence is essentially second nature since forcible elimination of opposition is critical.
'Gimp
This is absolutely true. The parallels are uncanny. This is how you take over an unwilling populous. You spread lies and propaganda and if that doesn't work you resort to violence. For them to win though, they'll need to disarm the people and I don't see that happening.
I'm surprised there hasn't already been an assassination attempt on Trump, maybe the Pence factor is preventing it.
Post by: nddons on October 19, 2018, 09:23:46 AM
This is absolutely true. The parallels are uncanny. This is how you take over an unwilling populous. You spread lies and propaganda and if that doesn't work you resort to violence. For them to win though, they'll need to disarm the people and I don't see that happening.I’m also surprised that they haven’t picked on the wrong person willing to defend himself with a firearm - yet. Read about Reginald Denny, who during the LA riots was pulled from his dump truck and nearly beaten to death, with several hood rats slamming his skull with bricks, and attacking him with a claw hammer. His skull was broken in 91 places. He has permanent brain damage. He lost a lawsuit against the City of Los Angeles.
I'm surprised there hasn't already been an assassination attempt on Trump, maybe the Pence factor is preventing it.
Don’t tell me that Antifa of BLM mobs are incapable of the exact same brutality. Trust me, if I get stopped and feel my life is at risk, my vehicle is going to be moving, regardless of who or what is in front of me. If I’m on foot and get attacked by a mob, I’m not going down without defending my life by whatever means necessary.
Post by: acrogimp on October 19, 2018, 09:42:00 AM
I’m also surprised that they haven’t picked on the wrong person willing to defend himself with a firearm - yet. Read about Reginald Denny, who during the LA riots was pulled from his dump truck and nearly beaten to death, with several hood rats slamming his skull with bricks, and attacking him with a claw hammer. His skull was broken in 91 places. He has permanent brain damage. He lost a lawsuit against the City of Los Angeles.This is the real danger of the current rhetoric coming from Maxine 'form a crowd' Waters, 'Get in their face' Sharticus, 'Collatoral damage' Pelosi, 'no room for civility' Shrillary, 'kick 'em when they go low' Eric Holder and many others - once the small 'm' mob is emboldened it cannot be truly controlled and it encourages the most base of human behaviors, ruled by the emotion of the moment - the violence begets more violence as it is encouraged by others - it will be very ugly and eventually yes more people will be seriously injured and people may die.
Don’t tell me that Antifa of BLM mobs are incapable of the exact same brutality. Trust me, if I get stopped and feel my life is at risk, my vehicle is going to be moving, regardless of who or what is in front of me. If I’m on foot and get attacked by a mob, I’m not going down without defending my life by whatever means necessary.
The optics are already bad coming out of Portand but so far the neckbeard SJW's and butch girls are just being a nuisance - when they cross over into more direct confrontation it's gonna get ugly.
'Gimp
Post by: Jim Logajan on October 19, 2018, 11:34:54 AM
The Left gravitates towards political violence because they 1 - personalize everything and 2 - truly believe only they are right.
Hmmm. I've observed those two personality traits in many conservatives, libertarians, and populists.
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I would add that Leftists are, in terms of textbook definition, the real Fascists, and as such violence is essentially second nature since forcible elimination of opposition is critical.
I think you're closer to the truth here. Socialism/collectivism can't be achieved and maintained without the initiation of force and violence. And anyone who espouses a socialist goal must inevitably conclude their goals require an initiation of force, particularly against individualists.
Therefore, IMHO, initiation of force and violence results from a natural and required logical consequence of socialist ideology, not from any personality traits. (Though socialism may attract certain controlling-type personality traits.)
Post by: invflatspin on October 19, 2018, 02:20:47 PM
I think you're closer to the truth here. Socialism/collectivism can't be achieved and maintained without the initiation of force and violence. And anyone who espouses a socialist goal must inevitably conclude their goals require an initiation of force, particularly against individualists.
Therefore, IMHO, initiation of force and violence results from a natural and required logical consequence of socialist ideology, not from any personality traits. (Though socialism may attract certain controlling-type personality traits.)
Whelp, my post-grad stuff was all about the populist movement overcoming individual wants and needs. Socialism was supposed to sell itself as a logical, organized and efficient way to govern large groups of people. As I recall the study material, anarchy was way, way over there on the right, then totalitarianism was way way over on the left and socialism was in the happy medium. Collectivism and communism made up the left side of the span, and republicanism and individualism made up the right side. But - don't make me draw it out, from 35 years ago, cause I can't.
The ideal Kant, and Hegel, and a few other constructors of the Great Society tell us that socialism is the natural and true design of large bodies of people. Which is likely why it is somewhat popular in major metro centers. They consume greatly, but actually produce very little. If socialism is to work, then I would say a 18 month stint on a farm, ranch or other outdoor facility away from a metro center would be required for anyone under the age of 24. Make it a form of pay forward so that they can understand what it takes to feed, cloth, shelter, water, and waste remove from a metropolis. It would do every kid a world of good to muck out a cow barn, and learn how to make pork ribs, grow beets, milk cows, plant and harvest corn/rice/wheat/sorghum/etc. Then, if they think that socialism is for them, lets go do it right. They have to put in the pot as well, and we'll see how they like real socialism.