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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Rush on April 12, 2022, 05:36:01 AM
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I’m having trouble forming a rigid, unchangeable opinion about what we should do about Ukraine that I can use to mock and excoriate anyone who disagrees with me. So I’m asking for your help. What would you do if you were in charge?
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I really have no idea. With Russia being a nuke country run by someone who seems all about restoring the former glory of the USSR and who threatens to nuke anyone who gets in his way, it's a tough question. I don't put it past him to go scorched earth if it looks like he's going to lose. His military doesn't seem to be dong all that well, so all he has is the actual nuclear option. Proxy war with direct sanctions is the safest alternative.
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We have enough problems here at home.
The problem I have with staying out completely is we signed an agreement with them to defend them if they were willing to give up their nukes.
Bamster did not honor it when Russians took over Crimea, this is just the Dems f***ing the world up more.
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Get kamala to run for President of Russia.
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Give the Ukrainians guns that shoot Russian ammunition and let them bankrupt putin.
Sit back,,stay the hell out of it and ignore the diatribes by politicians bought and paid for by the people who own the senile imposter.
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I don't see the option to commit troops and run Putin out of Ukraine. I think closing the skies is the next closest.
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I don't see the option to commit troops and run Putin out of Ukraine. I think closing the skies is the next closest.
Yes, I’d put that in option 5, as “better support” for Ukraine.
Edit: I edited to include ground support.
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I don't see the option to commit troops and run Putin out of Ukraine. I think closing the skies is the next closest.
Closing the skies means likely shooting at Russian aircraft and ground anti-aircraft targets. Call me crazy, but I’m not sure such acts of war against a nuclear power are in the best interest of the US.
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Closing the skies means likely shooting at Russian aircraft and ground anti-aircraft targets. Call me crazy, but I’m not sure such acts of war against a nuclear power are in the best interest of the US.
Especially with the CURRENT leadership in place in the U.S. Administration, Intelligence and Military. Those numbnuts will have the world blaming the U.S. for a Nuke Strike and we will have a real threat like we had in Cuba.
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I’m all over the place. Part of me is 100% with the last two comments. We need to stay the hell out of it. Especially with the lunatics currently in charge. But another part of me knows Putin is Hitler 2.0 and must be stopped.
BUT, and this is a YUUUUUGEE BUTT! We are not the same U.S. we were in 1941. We do not have a manufacturing base. And now thanks to Biden we don’t even have any oil. We are dependent on a Russian ally (China) for literally all our shit. And, we are no longer the only ones with THE bomb. We still have the best military in the world but we no longer have control of the support structure under it unless you can tell me all things used by the military are made in America including their source materials, packaging, and everything associated with them.
But the biggest problem right now is we don’t have a functioning CIC. So even if I thought we should aggressively go after Putin, I can’t get behind it under this administration.
On the other hand, there’s the thing about not stopping evil. There is no question what Russia is doing to Ukraine is evil. I have a big problem standing around doing nothing while innocent people are brutalized. So I want the U.S. to be the strong dominant warrior we once were and save the world again. But the reality is we aren’t and I wouldn’t follow Biden out of a burning house much less into war.
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The US is not the world's police force. Period.
We keep getting sucked in to these "police actions" and spending billions of our dollars and sacrificing our military under the guise of regime change. In reality all we are really doing is making some select people very wealthy at our expense.
The Europeans have the equipment and the personnel, as well as the funds to go in and stop the Russians. It's on their doorstep, not ours. The Europeans got in bed with Russia and are now paying the price.
The US has massive problems here that need addressing NOW. Yes, Russia invaded Ukraine's border with 100,000+ troops, but our border is being invaded with millions. And it is an invasion. I don't see Europe or any other regions sending in military and aid to help us fight off this invasion.
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The US is not the world's police force. Period.
We keep getting sucked in to these "police actions" and spending billions of our dollars and sacrificing our military under the guise of regime change. In reality all we are really doing is making some select people very wealthy at our expense.
The Europeans have the equipment and the personnel, as well as the funds to go in and stop the Russians. It's on their doorstep, not ours. The Europeans got in bed with Russia and are now paying the price.
The US has massive problems here that need addressing NOW. Yes, Russia invaded Ukraine's border with 100,000+ troops, but our border is being invaded with millions. And it is an invasion. I don't see Europe or any other regions sending in military and aid to help us fight off this invasion.
Why should they when our own “president” (cough cough) is holding the door open for them.
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Why should they when our own “president” (cough cough) is holding the door open for them.
Why should we go running into Ukraine to fight a war when the Europeans are idlily standing by? Ukraine is on their borders, not ours.
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Why should we go running into Ukraine to fight a war when the Europeans are idlily standing by? Ukraine is on their borders, not ours.
If Russia expands and attacks a NATO country, are we obligated to get involved?
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If Russia expands and attacks a NATO country, are we obligated to get involved?
"I think we should be issuing the harshest treatment possible against Russia. I think American companies should stop doing business."
U.S. rep. Lori trahan
I'm hoping that the quote in the newspaper (11 April 2022 Boston Herald) is incomplete... I wouldn't be surprised if it was indeed complete.
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BTW, Sweden wants to join NATO
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"I think we should be issuing the harshest treatment possible against Russia. I think American companies should stop doing business."
U.S. rep. Lori trahan
I'm hoping that the quote in the newspaper (11 April 2022 Boston Herald) is incomplete... I wouldn't be surprised if it was indeed complete.
Even if she means stop doing business in Russia, how does it help American companies to stop doing business in Russia and Russia nationalizes their assets there? Aren’t we just hurting ourselves?
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BTW, Sweden wants to join NATO
Finland too. That’s a big deal to Russia as they share a border, and the Finns are ethnically and linguistically more connected to Russia than to Scandinavia. Finnish is a Uralic language with roots on the Ural Mountains of Russia. They are not really European unlike the other Nordic countries, but rather their ancestors came from the east (Russia). Russia doesn’t consider them “Russian” in the same way it does Ukraine but she will take great exception to Finland joining NATO and I expect that more than anything might drag us all into WW3.
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If Russia expands and attacks a NATO country, are we obligated to get involved?
That's just it, they haven't. Our media portrays Ukraine as a part of NATO, which they are not. Our media also claims Ukraine is a democracy, which it is not.
And let's say, for sake of argument, that Russia does cross a border with a NATO country. Does that mean the US goes rushing in with everything we have while the other NATO countries participate on a minimal level? Remember, many of these countries for DECADES refused to pay their portion of NATO funding leaving it up to the US taxpayer to foot the bill for their defense.
The countries of Europe could do more, much more to bring the conflict to an end. They don't want to spend the funds or man power to do it, and more importantly they don't want to shift their resource demand (such as energy) to the US or western countries. But our NATO "allies" will be more than happy for the US to come in and do their dirty work for them.
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The only way to stop Russia is to make Russia cease to exist as a country. That won't happen. So we stay out of it. Treaties be damned. It's not the same world it was when they were signed. Europe spent too long turning a blind eye to the problems in their backyards. It's time they pay the piper, not us.
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Finland too. That’s a big deal to Russia as they share a border, and the Finns are ethnically and linguistically more connected to Russia than to Scandinavia. Finnish is a Uralic language with roots on the Ural Mountains of Russia. They are not really European unlike the other Nordic countries, but rather their ancestors came from the east (Russia). Russia doesn’t consider them “Russian” in the same way it does Ukraine but she will take great exception to Finland joining NATO and I expect that more than anything might drag us all into WW3.
If I may make a minor correction... Finnish language roots is Uralic, but is most closely related to Hungarian and Estonian than Russian. Also somewhat related to Sweden, though loosely. At least that's my understanding... please correct me if I'm wrong.
The Finns and Russians have an uneasy relationship. Russia invaded Finland in the early days of WWII. Finland kicked Russian butt, got their land back, but only advanced to their original borders and no further. Even with heavy German prompting. When Russia was able to go back against Finland, the Finns kicked the Germans out and conceded a lot of territory to Russia. This is a big reason they didn't become communist along with the Baltic states and Poland and the rest of the East. Russia hasn't forgotten that Finland is one tough cookie.
I'm 1/2 Finn. My father (Swede) met my mother (Finn) in Japan during the Korean conflict when he was in the Navy and she was in the Army. They got married. When they returned to the states and said hi to his family he was told that he should have brought back a nice Japanese girl instead of a Finn. Yep... I'm the product of a mixed marriage.
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If I may make a minor correction... Finnish language roots is Uralic, but is most closely related to Hungarian and Estonian than Russian. Also somewhat related to Sweden, though loosely. At least that's my understanding... please correct me if I'm wrong.
The Finns and Russians have an uneasy relationship. Russia invaded Finland in the early days of WWII. Finland kicked Russian butt, got their land back, but only advanced to their original borders and no further. Even with heavy German prompting. When Russia was able to go back against Finland, the Finns kicked the Germans out and conceded a lot of territory to Russia. This is a big reason they didn't become communist along with the Baltic states and Poland and the rest of the East. Russia hasn't forgotten that Finland is one tough cookie.
I'm 1/2 Finn. My father (Swede) met my mother (Finn) in Japan during the Korean conflict when he was in the Navy and she was in the Army. They got married. When they returned to the states and said hi to his family he was told that he should have brought back a nice Japanese girl instead of a Finn. Yep... I'm the product of a mixed marriage.
Wow, nice story! I’ll defer to you knowing more about it than me then. I was aware of the WW2 conflict and that the Finns are not going to roll over to the Russians. Hopefully Putin’s saber rattling in that direction is bluffing.
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That's just it, they haven't. Our media portrays Ukraine as a part of NATO, which they are not. Our media also claims Ukraine is a democracy, which it is not.
And let's say, for sake of argument, that Russia does cross a border with a NATO country. Does that mean the US goes rushing in with everything we have while the other NATO countries participate on a minimal level? Remember, many of these countries for DECADES refused to pay their portion of NATO funding leaving it up to the US taxpayer to foot the bill for their defense.
The countries of Europe could do more, much more to bring the conflict to an end. They don't want to spend the funds or man power to do it, and more importantly they don't want to shift their resource demand (such as energy) to the US or western countries. But our NATO "allies" will be more than happy for the US to come in and do their dirty work for them.
All good points. There would be no problem with Europe buying Russian energy if Russia would act like a reasonable adult instead of a paranoid psychopath. Pipelines are better than shipping it across the ocean. Russia could have happily continued to profit and build ever better relations with the west but no. They have to revert to what seems to be in their DNA (isolated, secretive, suspicious, belligerent) and is distilled and brought to fruition in that monster Putin.
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Finland too. That’s a big deal to Russia as they share a border, and the Finns are ethnically and linguistically more connected to Russia than to Scandinavia. Finnish is a Uralic language with roots on the Ural Mountains of Russia. They are not really European unlike the other Nordic countries, but rather their ancestors came from the east (Russia). Russia doesn’t consider them “Russian” in the same way it does Ukraine but she will take great exception to Finland joining NATO and I expect that more than anything might drag us all into WW3.
I agree. We need to be really, really careful with what NATO does with respect to bringing in new members. Latvia and Estonia have direct borders with Russia. In many ways, Russia will look at new NATO countries bordering Russia in the same way we looked at Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis. We could not accept having Soviet missiles 60 miles from Florida, and weee brought to the brink of a hot war with a nuclear power to prevent it. So how could we expect Russia not to balk if NATO has missiles 60 yards from Russia?
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That's just it, they haven't. Our media portrays Ukraine as a part of NATO, which they are not. Our media also claims Ukraine is a democracy, which it is not.
And let's say, for sake of argument, that Russia does cross a border with a NATO country. Does that mean the US goes rushing in with everything we have while the other NATO countries participate on a minimal level? Remember, many of these countries for DECADES refused to pay their portion of NATO funding leaving it up to the US taxpayer to foot the bill for their defense.
The countries of Europe could do more, much more to bring the conflict to an end. They don't want to spend the funds or man power to do it, and more importantly they don't want to shift their resource demand (such as energy) to the US or western countries. But our NATO "allies" will be more than happy for the US to come in and do their dirty work for them.
And when the left claims that Trump ostracized our allies, this is the exact reason. Trump held them accountable for increasing their defense budgets to help provide For their defense and the defense of other NATO countries. They were let off the hook once Biden was installed.
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I agree. We need to be really, really careful with what NATO does with respect to bringing in new members. Latvia and Estonia have direct borders with Russia. In many ways, Russia will look at new NATO countries bordering Russia in the same way we looked at Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis. We could not accept having Soviet missiles 60 miles from Florida, and weee brought to the brink of a hot war with a nuclear power to prevent it. So how could we expect Russia not to balk if NATO has missiles 60 yards from Russia?
Somebody said I can’t remember who, it would be like how would we feel if Russia put missiles in Mexico just over the border. That’s a closer analogy even than Cuba.
In fact, it was something just like that that got us into WW1. Germany secretly invited Mexico to join them in an alliance, and the message was intercepted and decoded. We, the U.S., didn’t tolerate even the thought, so entered the war. So you can kind of understand Russia’s point of view. However, in my mind that still is no excuse to invade Ukraine, especially using terrorists tactics against civilians.
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We, the U.S., didn’t tolerate even the thought, so entered the war. ..
somehow I'm not buying that as the reason we entered the war.
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somehow I'm not buying that as the reason we entered the war.
There WAS that whole Pearl Harbor thing….
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There WAS that whole Pearl Harbor thing….
I’m talking about the Great War.
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somehow I'm not buying that as the reason we entered the war.
Pretty much did. It said Germany would give Arizona, Texas and New Mexico back to Mexico. That, plus Germany beginning submarine attacks on American merchant ships, and we were in.
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Nope. not buying it
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Nope. not buying it
Here's a suggestion. Instead of cryptic short replies try saying why you are not buying it.
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Here's a suggestion. Instead of cryptic short replies try saying why you are not buying it.
Rush makes an unsupported claim and I'm the one that needs to explain my disbelief?
I don't think so Tim
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Rush makes an unsupported claim and I'm the one that needs to explain my disbelief?
I don't think so Tim
She stated an opinion, and gave her reason for the opinion. All you can do is your typical cryptic replies that you can't back up.
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Rush makes an unsupported claim and I'm the one that needs to explain my disbelief?
I don't think so Tim
I didn’t think I had to cite support for a claim about basic history.
Okay, here:
While many Americans remained committed to isolationism—President Woodrow Wilson had only just won reelection using the slogan, “He kept us out of war”—the Zimmerman cipher now served as fresh evidence of German aggression. Coupled with the submarine attacks, it finally turned the U.S. government in favor of entering the fray.
https://www.history.com/news/what-was-the-zimmermann-telegram
More support. Fast forward to about 11:45 through 12:15 if you don’t want to watch the whole thing.
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"US Officials Admit They’re Literally Just Lying To The Public About Russia"
https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2022/04/07/us-officials-admit-theyre-literally-just-lying-to-the-public-about-russia/ (https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2022/04/07/us-officials-admit-theyre-literally-just-lying-to-the-public-about-russia/)
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(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6291.0;attach=2649;image)
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This thing is so eerily analogous to both the previous world wars that I feel like I’m watching a second movie remake. In both previous conflicts the underlying context was a bad leader with psychological problems in an aggressor “empire”, existing alliances that were obligated to defend each other, and the core conflict initially breaking out in Europe.
If the plot remains the same, the U.S. will stay the hell out of it until some event outrages the public so much that the MIC will gleefully mobilize. Whomever is president, or the cabal behind him, will be obliged to lead the charge when public sentiment turns toward war. Congress will formally declare war when Putin makes some direct threat to U.S territory, like positioning forces to retake Alaska, or there’s an incident between our subs that gets out of hand. That latter scenario is a real possibility. At least once before, probably more than once, we’ve come close to WW3 through misunderstandings between sub crews underwater.
Then of course there’s NATO and our obligations thereto. It’s got it’s own power structure; I do not see the B-H administration able to turn our backs if a NATO country is invaded. Putin has promised to react if Finland joins. Is he really a cowardly bully who won’t directly attack a NATO member? I’m not putting money on that.
There are too many moving parts here and momentum is growing, it almost feels like a foregone conclusion. War is mankind’s continuous state. It’s in our DNA. According to Dark Forest Theory, we can do nothing else. The initiator acts out of paranoid fear that the other will act first. Putin sees NATO as a de facto empire. Even if Putin died today and the Ukraine war fizzled out, some other mentally deranged idiot like Kaiser Wilhelm II, or psychopath like Hitler/Putin, would rise and start WW3 sooner or later.
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The Biden Administration was behind escalating the Ukraine war. Like everything else they have done, poorly thought out and poorly executed, and has now gotten out of hand.
We have an administration being run by a unelected lunatic leftist with nothing successful to his name (Ron Klain) and a puppet president. The majority of the administration are academics and people chosen by their gender (or lack thereof) and skin color. No one with any credentials.
And big tech along with the MSM enabling them. We are truly in a very dangerous situation that is unpredictable. And those who supposedly represent the rest of us are sitting on their hands.
Elections have consequences. Stolen corrupt elections have dire consequences.
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The Biden Administration was behind escalating the Ukraine war. Like everything else they have done, poorly thought out and poorly executed, and has now gotten out of hand.
We have an administration being run by a unelected lunatic leftist with nothing successful to his name (Ron Klain) and a puppet president. The majority of the administration are academics and people chosen by their gender (or lack thereof) and skin color. No one with any credentials.
And big tech along with the MSM enabling them. We are truly in a very dangerous situation that is unpredictable. And those who supposedly represent the rest of us are sitting on their hands.
Elections have consequences. Stolen corrupt elections have dire consequences.
Well, by “like” I don’t mean like. I mean agree and well stated.
Putin would not have made his move if Trump were in office. He may have eventually, Trump could not have had a third term and Trump is rare. Strong enough and crazy enough to stare down other bullies; they do not come along every day. The world was safe as long as he was in charge. But he would not have been in charge indefinitely and there is no such thing as permanent safety.
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(https://i.imgur.com/RB5Ml1t.jpg)
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Do the Leftist Globalists want a World War, because if a nuke goes off, that's what we may get. It also may give them the reset they want. but the results of the reset may be the opposite of what they want. As in, people having reset priorities where the really important things are valued, not Race, Gender, Trans, LGBTxvz, Equity (equal outcomes by redistribution).
My priorities are:
Gun Rights for the Law Abiding
Jobs and the economy
Inflation (see above)
Interest Rates (see above)
National Defence NOT a Woke Military focus
Clean Air and Water which we already have for the most part
Reasonable Energy Prices (see above)
Fair Trade
Legal Immigration NOT Invasion like we currently have
Equal OPPORTUNITY
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I see Coons was beating the war drum this weekend.
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I see Coons was beating the war drum this weekend.
Of course. He and others like him will gladly send other people's family members off to die in a senseless war so he and his benefactors can reap the rewards of the MIC.
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Do the Leftist Globalists want a World War, because if a nuke goes off, that's what we may get. It also may give them the reset they want. but the results of the reset may be the opposite of what they want. As in, people having reset priorities where the really important things are valued, not Race, Gender, Trans, LGBTxvz, Equity (equal outcomes by redistribution).
My priorities are:
Gun Rights for the Law Abiding
Jobs and the economy
Inflation (see above)
Interest Rates (see above)
National Defence NOT a Woke Military focus
Clean Air and Water which we already have for the most part
Reasonable Energy Prices (see above)
Fair Trade
Legal Immigration NOT Invasion like we currently have
Equal OPPORTUNITY
If it’s a limited nuclear war, that will sew up control of the masses. The draconian authoritarianism of Covid will look like total freedom by comparison. That’s what they want!
So yes, I think the left, the globalists, and the MIC and whatever RINOs benefit from it, all want limited nuclear exchange. It would solidify forever justification to disarm the masses, control our travel, ration our food, and silence any opposition to these policies.
All out nuclear holocaust? I don’t think anyone wants that except the truly insane, not even the left, because it will put us back into the Stone Age, and they like their smart phones and lattes too much. They’d have to actually work for their food, be a hunter-gatherer, and while the left idolizes the noble savage, they don’t actually want to be one.
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You're giving too much to the lunatic left. They haven't thought any of this through, that's why everything they do turns into a shit show.
"Let's gin up a war in Ukraine so Biden will look presidential and we can blame everything on Putin". Then of course no thought put into what happens next, then they are dismayed at what does happen, so they apply another no thought solution, then wash, rinse, repeat.
These lunatic leftist also believe that this time, they will perfect communism and create the utopia they believe they can create.
One. Giant. Shit Show.
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I don't think those that control the Globalist Left want the perfect Communism, well, maybe that's what they think or will call it. They really want a return to Feudalism, which Communism essentially becomes. The few rich, connected elite controlling the helpless Masses. Work for them, fight for them, do everything for THEIR benefit and be kept alive for a while on a meager existence.
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I don't think those that control the Globalist Left want the perfect Communism, well, maybe that's what they think or will call it. They really want a return to Feudalism, which Communism essentially becomes. The few rich, connected elite controlling the helpless Masses. Work for them, fight for them, do everything for THEIR benefit and be kept alive for a while on a meager existence.
But it's the consumer world in which they derive their wealth. Without consumers, they have no where to sell their stuff. This is what I mean by saying these lunatics haven't thought anything through. These uber wealthy have forgotten where all that money came from.
For example, without the consumers in the US, China's economy dies. Turn the US into a third world country with all the wealth centralized into the top 3 or 4 %, and the Chinese economy collapses.
These leftist have always been clueless on economics. Show one example of a renowned leftist economist. The left loves Paul Krugman, but he constantly gets everything wrong, yet they still hang on every word from him.
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You're giving too much to the lunatic left. They haven't thought any of this through, that's why everything they do turns into a shit show.
"Let's gin up a war in Ukraine so Biden will look presidential and we can blame everything on Putin". Then of course no thought put into what happens next, then they are dismayed at what does happen, so they apply another no thought solution, then wash, rinse, repeat.
These lunatic leftist also believe that this time, they will perfect communism and create the utopia they believe they can create.
One. Giant. Shit Show.
You’re probably right. I frequently make the mistake of assuming everyone else thinks as deeply as I do. Or you guys for that matter. I don’t hang here because you’re pilots, I hang here because pilots are on average smarter than most people. Believe it or not.
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But it's the consumer world in which they derive their wealth. Without consumers, they have no where to sell their stuff. This is what I mean by saying these lunatics haven't thought anything through. These uber wealthy have forgotten where all that money came from.
For example, without the consumers in the US, China's economy dies. Turn the US into a third world country with all the wealth centralized into the top 3 or 4 %, and the Chinese economy collapses.
These leftist have always been clueless on economics. Show one example of a renowned leftist economist. The left loves Paul Krugman, but he constantly gets everything wrong, yet they still hang on every word from him.
Right now they are totally screwing themselves by shutting down Shanghai. The CCP is the pinnacle of stupidity, they can’t foresee the damage it will do to their own economy.
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But it's the consumer world in which they derive their wealth. Without consumers, they have no where to sell their stuff. This is what I mean by saying these lunatics haven't thought anything through. These uber wealthy have forgotten where all that money came from.
For example, without the consumers in the US, China's economy dies. Turn the US into a third world country with all the wealth centralized into the top 3 or 4 %, and the Chinese economy collapses.
These leftist have always been clueless on economics. Show one example of a renowned leftist economist. The left loves Paul Krugman, but he constantly gets everything wrong, yet they still hang on every word from him.
The meager existence will still allow consumption of goods, just not airplanes and luxury items the rich will continue to buy.
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The meager existence will still allow consumption of goods, just not airplanes and luxury items the rich will continue to buy.
The rich constitute a small percentage of Americans. The meager existence will reduce spending power, as we are seeing now. Food and housing will take priority over consumer goods such as electronics, phones, clothing, etc. Companies such as Amazon and Walmart depend upon those in the lower brackets to keep buying. And the Chinese depend on Amazon and Walmart to keep peddling their garbage.
The leftist can't see this, just as they can't see that electric vehicles do more damage to the environment than ICE vehicles. They don't see that having everyone living in government housing riding government busses will kill other larger segments of the economy.
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The rich constitute a small percentage of Americans. The meager existence will reduce spending power, as we are seeing now. Food and housing will take priority over consumer goods such as electronics, phones, clothing, etc. Companies such as Amazon and Walmart depend upon those in the lower brackets to keep buying. And the Chinese depend on Amazon and Walmart to keep peddling their garbage.
The leftist can't see this, just as they can't see that electric vehicles do more damage to the environment than ICE vehicles. They don't see that having everyone living in government housing riding government busses will kill other larger segments of the economy.
You're assuming they care that they kill the economy.
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You're assuming they care that they kill the economy.
That's just it. They don't, but yet they don't realize that killing the economy also kills their utopia dreams as well. Venezuela is a prime example.
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That's just it. They don't, but yet they don't realize that killing the economy also kills their utopia dreams as well. Venezuela is a prime example.
All the older couples in my neighborhood are selling their houses. They are expecting the market to drop soon and are getting the most money they can. Smart move on their part.
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I think everyone is overcomplicating this.
1) Elites establish control by weakening countries using various means we all know, and hauling the conquered countries and citizens and their “governments” under their control.
2) Conquered countries, citizens and governments become conquered because they contain enough mentally ill liberals and stupid conservatives who somehow feel guilty that America has so much and has accomplished so much historically for its citizens.
That’s it. Liberal guilt and evil people exploiting it.
If we could transform liberal guilt into patriotic pride, and outrage when legitimately required, this would all end satisfactorily.
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All the older couples in my neighborhood are selling their houses. They are expecting the market to drop soon and are getting the most money they can. Smart move on their part.
We just accepted an offer on our house, for that exact reason. My market value dropped 30% when something happened in 2009. I’ve clawed it back but now’s the time to convert it to cash.
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We just accepted an offer on our house, for that exact reason. My market value dropped 30% when something happened in 2009. I’ve clawed it back but now’s the time to convert it to cash.
We had 1 sell 2 months ago, and 2 went on the market this week. Granted I live in an awesome neighborhood that families with young kids fight for, but I'm amazed at how high the prices have gone up in the 2 years since I bought here.
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We had 1 sell 2 months ago, and 2 went on the market this week. Granted I live in an awesome neighborhood that families with young kids fight for, but I'm amazed at how high the prices have gone up in the 2 years since I bought here.
My mother’s house has gone up dramatically but she is still living in it. My siblings and I have to decide whether to sell it when she dies or keep it in the family. Our grandfather built it, it’s never been out of the family.
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We just accepted an offer on our house, for that exact reason. My market value dropped 30% when something happened in 2009. I’ve clawed it back but now’s the time to convert it to cash.
This your house?
https://mobile.twitter.com/zillowgonewild/status/1516071586264141827
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All the older couples in my neighborhood are selling their houses. They are expecting the market to drop soon and are getting the most money they can. Smart move on their part.
That's great, if you're willing to move into a much smaller home or move to a lower COL area.
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That's great, if you're willing to move into a much smaller home or move to a lower COL area.
A few are downsizing and moving to be closer to grandkids. One just found a home they liked better and went for it. I heard last night there might even be more neighbors putting up their houses for sale. Overall I live in a low cost of living area, except for the crazy housing market right now
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My wife would love to sell, just hard to then get something else due to the prices.
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We’ve decided to stay put despite being tempted by a smaller home or condo, because we absolutely love our neighborhood. But one nearby house sale to a jerk would change that, ANYWHERE we live.
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This your house?
https://mobile.twitter.com/zillowgonewild/status/1516071586264141827
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That's great, if you're willing to move into a much smaller home or move to a lower COL area.
Sort of what we're considering. Selling our house and moving to a larger house in a lower cost of living area. Wife says that we can apply the difference to a second aircraft. I married well.
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We’ve decided to stay put despite being tempted by a smaller home or condo, because we absolutely love our neighborhood. But one nearby house sale to a jerk would change that, ANYWHERE we live.
Yes, we LOVE our neighborhood and all our neighbors. Hate that we're so far from the family though. I can't abide the thought of moving all over again.