PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: asechrest on December 07, 2018, 10:10:26 AM
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/lisa-britt-just-one-many-wrapped-alleged-north-carolina-election-n945051
The woman, who has been identified by voters as Lisa Britt, knocked on doors of black voters in this rural county of just 33,500 residents, asking for their absentee ballots, offering to mail, and sometimes fill them out.
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Britt listed her home at the same address of her mother, Sandra Dowless, in public housing complex in Bladensboro, N.C. Sandra Dowless also signed tens of absentee ballot applications, according to the same documents obtained by NBC News.
Another woman, Jessica Dowless, collected and signed 175 absentee ballot applications, according to documents released by the board of elections.
And that leads to McCrae Dowless, the former husband of Sandra Dowless. He turned in at least 590 absentee ballot applications, according to the board’s documents. Under North Carolina law, only the voter, a relative or a guardian can turn in an absentee ballot.
Looks like real vote fraud ongoing.
The other interesting aspect is that California actually allows ballot harvesting. Which is stupid.
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Yeah. Mark Harris seems like a real slime ball. I’m not surprised that his campaign would do this. NC has had its share of political controversies the past few years.
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I will point out that the only reason we know this happened is that the person who did it was too stupid to keep quiet about it. I am quite sure this is not the only voter fraud going on, they are just the ones who got caught.
BTW, how is it that someone from N.C. has a neutral opinion about Harris but you know he is a “real slime ball”. Is it possible that the source you got that from told you to think that way? The man is a pastor, I am sure he has at least a few redeeming qualities. One of which is that he did not commit fraud - someone who worked for someone who worked for him did.
Ballot harvesting is wrong. In NC it is also illegal.
Fraud is going to force us to implement voter id requirements.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/lisa-britt-just-one-many-wrapped-alleged-north-carolina-election-n945051
Looks like real vote fraud ongoing.
The other interesting aspect is that California actually allows ballot harvesting. Which is stupid.
It couldn't be voting fraud. Voting fraud doesn't exist except on a very very tiny scale. I know this because so few people have ever been caught and convicted of it.
(isn't that how the party line is supposed to go)?
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Well, it isn’t large here. The accusation is over 161 absentee ballots. The race was decided by 900 votes.
The problem is with the people who did this and the opportunity for fraud that both absentee ballots and ballot harvesting create.
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It couldn't be voting fraud. Voting fraud doesn't exist except on a very very tiny scale. I know this because so few people have ever been caught and convicted of it.
(isn't that how the party line is supposed to go)?
Not really. The party line is that the type of vote fraud that voter ID would protect against happens at a very small level.
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Isn't it amazing that California legalized this type of fraud.
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Not really. The party line is that the type of vote fraud that voter ID would protect against happens at a very small level.
Well the reality line is that nobody has ever been caught voting an invalid registration, so we don't know whether it's a small level or a large level.
But we KNOW there are invalid registrations out there. MoveOn.org was doing them a couple of elections ago and while some were caught due to funny names, quite a few were not. Once a registration exists, it becomes a valid person, all you need to know is that nobody else is going to show up and vote that registration...and if you created it, then you know.
Regardless, there is obviously very little faith left in the integrity of the voter rolls when so many people are trying to cheat in elections.
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Well the reality line is that nobody has ever been caught voting an invalid registration, so we don't know whether it's a small level or a large level.
But we KNOW there are invalid registrations out there. MoveOn.org was doing them a couple of elections ago and while some were caught due to funny names, quite a few were not. Once a registration exists, it becomes a valid person, all you need to know is that nobody else is going to show up and vote that registration...and if you created it, then you know.
Regardless, there is obviously very little faith left in the integrity of the voter rolls when so many people are trying to cheat in elections.
Answer: universal, automatic voter registration (and unregistration), with voter ID.
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Answer: universal, automatic voter registration (and unregistration), with voter ID.
Your answer, not THE answer. We've previously discussed this ad nauseum and nothing has changed.
An interesting aspect of the NC law in this case. The state election board is not authorized to call for a new election if the level of fraud is not high enough to have changed the outcome of the election. So they will probably...or should...be prevented from calling for a new election. I suspect this law is why they haven't already.
At this point I either see the board trying to nullify the law (something that turns my stomach) or Democrats in Congress having to face refusing to seat a Republican because they don't like the outcome of his election.
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Your answer, not THE answer. We've previously discussed this ad nauseum and nothing has changed.
AN answer.
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Answer: universal, automatic voter registration (and unregistration), with voter ID.
I agree with the voter ID part. The rest, HELL NO. You’re gonna vote, you’re gonna make an effort to do so.
My state’s idiotic governor has his eye on the Presidency so he craftily and without input from any of us, enacted automatic voter registration WHEN A WASHINGTON RESIDENT IS ISSUED A DRIVERS LICENSE. He also decided ILLEGAL aliens should be able to get drivers licenses.
Voila, vote fraud. A Democrat’s preferred path to power.
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I agree with the voter ID part. The rest, HELL NO. You’re gonna vote, you’re gonna make an effort to do so.
My state’s idiotic governor has his eye on the Presidency so he craftily and without input from any of us, enacted automatic voter registration WHEN A WASHINGTON RESIDENT IS ISSUED A DRIVERS LICENSE. He also decided ILLEGAL aliens should be able to get drivers licenses.
Voila, vote fraud. A Democrat’s preferred path to power.
^^^^^^This is the problem in a nutshell. More, and more states are allowing Illegal Aliens to get Driver's License. I can verify, personally that some illegals have gotten them anyway using stolen SS numbers, and identity theft. I witnessed this en masse when I lived in Colorado. However, this automatic registration and allowing illegal Aliens to LEGALLY get driver's licenses, just makes it easier
Liberal/Progressives never think beyond the surface of an issue, and consider the unintended consequences, because the surface issue makes them FEEL GOOD, and be able to Virtue Signal.
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I agree with the voter ID part. The rest, HELL NO. You’re gonna vote, you’re gonna make an effort to do so.
That's not really how compromise works. ;) Well, maybe that's what the current crop of politicians thinks compromise is.
You get so much out of the deal. Think of it - universal voter ID and the vote integrity it provides (no more illegals voting); complete cleanup of the voter rolls (no more dead people voting, or people voting in two places). But, like all compromise, you've got to give up something. In this case, you don't get to implement your poll tax. Woops, typo.
Seems like a fair compromise to me, but maybe you don't think so.
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^^^^^^This is the problem in a nutshell. More, and more states are allowing Illegal Aliens to get Driver's License. I can verify, personally that some illegals have gotten them anyway using stolen SS numbers, and identity theft. I witnessed this en masse when I lived in Colorado. However, this automatic registration and allowing illegal Aliens to LEGALLY get driver's licenses, just makes it easier
Liberal/Progressives never think beyond the surface of an issue, and consider the unintended consequences, because the surface issue makes them FEEL GOOD, and be able to Virtue Signal.
No system is perfect. But if you think a properly implemented universal registration system with voter ID would not do better to mitigate illegals voting than the current steamy pile we have now, I'm not sure what to tell you.
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Not really. The party line is that the type of vote fraud that voter ID would protect against happens at a very small level.
The proper and fair utilization of voter ID may have stopped one type of fraud (though there have been reports of IDs NOT being checked even though the law requires it), but the cheaters just turn to a method that requires no ID - absentee voting. In addition, the early early voting phenomenon has provided new opportunities for many hands to touch a ballot before it is read by the machine. Witness Broward County, FL, Orange County, CA, etc etc etc.
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Answer: universal, automatic voter registration (and unregistration), with voter ID.
Oh brother. Not this again. Nice try, Oprah.
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Look at the recent elections. In some areas voter turnout (counted ballots) exceeded the total number of registered voters.
How can any reasonable person look at this and think there is not a problem?
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The proper and fair utilization of voter ID may have stopped one type of fraud (though there have been reports of IDs NOT being checked even though the law requires it), but the cheaters just turn to a method that requires no ID - absentee voting. In addition, the early early voting phenomenon has provided new opportunities for many hands to touch a ballot before it is read by the machine. Witness Broward County, FL, Orange County, CA, etc etc etc.
Early voting, and absentee ballots are the new epicenter of Democrat voter fraud. It may even be exceeding the illegal alien vote, and the earthly challenged vote.
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Oh brother. Not this again. Nice try, Oprah.
Truly, I can't help if you're a partisan defeatist. You have complaints (see above). Noted. Now, come up with solutions that work within the political limitations of a Republic. HINT: you don't get to dictate policy from your throne on the right.
The entire design of the solution I'm in favor of is that BOTH sides get huge things they want...but not everything they want. Find another liberal supporting universal voter ID. I dare you. Then we can talk about the concession I'm asking of you: that registration be handled automatically, which I believe is every bit in the SPIRIT of our great country. Please note that that I did not say the State votes for you! It simply acknowledges that you have a right to vote. It's still up to you to get your ass out of the recliner and do it.
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I've enjoyed listening to the Democrats cry about gerry mandering in states where they've lost their ability gerry mander.
Also like how California made voter fraud legal by legalizing ballot harvesting.
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I've enjoyed listening to the Democrats cry about gerry mandering in states where they've lost their ability gerry mander.
Also like how California made voter fraud legal by legalizing ballot harvesting.
2018 was a preview to 2020, and it's going to be really, really ugly.
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2018 was a preview to 2020, and it's going to be really, really ugly.
I'm afraid that you're right. The only hope is that the GOP starts playing by the democrat rules instead of playing fair. Challenge every loss. Impeach and sue every democrat winner. Bury them in bullshit. Harvest votes where legal. Massive early and absentee voting. They set the rules. We must play by them.
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I'm afraid that you're right. The only hope is that the GOP starts playing by the democrat rules instead of playing fair. Challenge every loss. Impeach and sue every democrat winner. Bury them in bullshit. Harvest votes where legal. Massive early and absentee voting. They set the rules. We must play by them.
If 2018 is any indicator, it's not going to happen. GOP still can't find their backbone, and would rather just walk away mumbling "But how did this happen?"
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Truly, I can't help if you're a partisan defeatist. You have complaints (see above). Noted. Now, come up with solutions that work within the political limitations of a Republic. HINT: you don't get to dictate policy from your throne on the right.
The entire design of the solution I'm in favor of is that BOTH sides get huge things they want...but not everything they want. Find another liberal supporting universal voter ID. I dare you. Then we can talk about the concession I'm asking of you: that registration be handled automatically, which I believe is every bit in the SPIRIT of our great country. Please note that that I did not say the State votes for you! It simply acknowledges that you have a right to vote. It's still up to you to get your ass out of the recliner and do it.
Okay, I’ll take it, if we take away early and absentee voting. I want you to get your ass waaaay out of the recliner on Election Day. I’ll even allow two Election Days to get it done in an orderly fashion.
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2018 was a preview to 2020, and it's going to be really, really ugly.
For me, the only thing to understand is the Democrats will not be satisfied until they are guaranteed to win every election. In their minds there is no room for an other thought process but theirs.
It pains me to see them go after Trump, a man that truly loves his country and is doing things to try and fix it.
If a Republican were ever elected President again, they will use the same process they are using right now. They will appoint another special prosecutor and give that person carte Blanche to dig up whatever is necessary to get rid of that President.
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For me, the only thing to understand is the Democrats will not be satisfied until they are guaranteed to win every election. In their minds there is no room for an other thought process but theirs.
It pains me to see them go after Trump, a man that truly loves his country and is doing things to try and fix it.
If a Republican were ever elected President again, they will use the same process they are using right now. They will appoint another special prosecutor and give that person carte Blanche to dig up whatever is necessary to get rid of that President.
The die is cast.
We have seen the last of an outsider being elected to the White House. The establishment (both R's and D's) will make sure that never, ever happens again.
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That's not really how compromise works. ;) Well, maybe that's what the current crop of politicians thinks compromise is.
You get so much out of the deal.
Well, us taking what you think of as fair isn’t compromise either.
How about this:
I’d accept automatic registration if we build the wall, end anchor babies and end “catch and release”.
Plus require positive voter ID.
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Truly, I can't help if you're a partisan defeatist. You have complaints (see above). Noted. Now, come up with solutions that work within the political limitations of a Republic. HINT: you don't get to dictate policy from your throne on the right.
The entire design of the solution I'm in favor of is that BOTH sides get huge things they want...but not everything they want. Find another liberal supporting universal voter ID. I dare you. Then we can talk about the concession I'm asking of you: that registration be handled automatically, which I believe is every bit in the SPIRIT of our great country. Please note that that I did not say the State votes for you! It simply acknowledges that you have a right to vote. It's still up to you to get your ass out of the recliner and do it.
Here is the problem. The fact that this IS PARTISAN demonstrates the fact that ONE side is comfortable with fraudulent voting. I’m not, and my side is not. It has turned into a gross symptom of a bigger problem.
The reason I said “Oh brother” was that you never answered my tangible objections previously raised ad nauseam.
What does “automatic” mean? What triggers someone to becomes registered voter? Birth?
We are a mobile society. I’ve lived in 4 states, and probably moved 15 times since I turned voting age. How does this “automatic” thing work to establish who you are and where you reside? How do you handle changes?
How does this “Automatic” thing cleanse the voter rolls? How does Milwaukee County know that I live there without keeping a list (I.e. a roll)?
Etc etc.