PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Number7 on October 27, 2015, 09:44:09 AM
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With Joe Biden acknowledging that there is zero public outcry for him to run, and Hillary surviving another round of Benghazi questions, it looks like the hildabeast will walk away as the nominee. As tragic as that sounds for the democrats, it is GREAT news for the GOP.
But who would make a credible running mate? Will there be enough vote fraud to sustain her to the end?
Can enough dead people vote from enough nonexistent households, and will there be enough illegals to pick up the slack to hijack another election?
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Hillary does scare me because a lot of people will vote for her just because she is a woman. However, I don't think she is electable unless there is a lot of voter fraud like the last election.
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There will be SCADS of voter fraud. The democrat bosses are not about to let the gravy train stop running without using every dead body in the country to prop up their candidate, but I wonder if that will be enough for an OLD, WHITE, Hag to get elected.
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Despite what he media seems to indicate, among the liberal folks I know, support for Hillary is tepid. Which, mind you, doesn't mean they'll all vote for a right-winger come election time.
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It is nearly impossible to imagine a democrat (modern dem) being capable of voting outside of their marching orders from the DNC. That is especially true of the young adults who are, or seem to be, incapable of personal thought, intellectual curiosity,or understanding what is being feathering the guise of looking after their best interests.
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Despite what he media seems to indicate, among the liberal folks I know, support for Hillary is tepid. Which, mind you, doesn't mean they'll all vote for a right-winger come election time.
If you had to take a poll, today, of your liberal friends, for whom would they cast their vote for president?
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It is nearly impossible to imagine a democrat (modern dem) being capable of voting outside of their marching orders from the DNC. That is especially true of the young adults who are, or seem to be, incapable of personal thought, intellectual curiosity,or understanding what is being feathering the guise of looking after their best interests.
You must be old.
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Despite what he media seems to indicate, among the liberal folks I know, support for Hillary is tepid. Which, mind you, doesn't mean they'll all vote for a right-winger come election time.
If you had to take a poll, today, of your liberal friends, for whom would they cast their vote for president?
Some Clinton, some Sanders, a tiny touch of Carson and Paul, with one or two having a blast with the idea of Trump. The Carson deal I think stemmed from his strong first debate showing, but that's eroded some as his views and statements continue to trickle out. Among my circle, no one really appears to be pleased with the Democratic field this year. Hillary's baggage continues to grow and she feels like the typical pol, and Sanders' unabashed socialism scares off many. I think the feeling is apathy.
But, to be fair, I'm getting older so I'm out of touch with the younger liberal crowd.
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For what it's worth (not much) our school magazine ran a poll and Hillary overwhelmingly won with Trump second mostly, I presume, as a joke. Surprising in a white, upper middle class public school in a county Romney won in 2012.
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Hillary does scare me because a lot of people will vote for her just because she is a woman. However, I don't think she is electable unless there is a lot of voter fraud like the last election.
Love this. Yes, please keep repeating GOP talking points about massive voting fraud. The only problem is that you have no proof. On the other hand, southern states are doing a terrific job in disenfranchising poor voters who can't afford or acquire a drivers license. Even better, how about closing all the DMVs in counties that have a majority of minority voters.
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Hillary does scare me because a lot of people will vote for her just because she is a woman. However, I don't think she is electable unless there is a lot of voter fraud like the last election.
Love this. Yes, please keep repeating GOP talking points about massive voting fraud. The only problem is that you have no proof. On the other hand, southern states are doing a terrific job in disenfranchising poor voters who can't afford or acquire a drivers license. Even better, how about closing all the DMVs in counties that have a majority of minority voters.
Oh brother. And you're repeating the easily disproved lies of the Democrats about these "disenfranchised" voters who never seem to show up and be counted, and to my knowledge every single state that has a voter ID requirement will give someone a free ID for voting purposes.
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Hillary does scare me because a lot of people will vote for her just because she is a woman. However, I don't think she is electable unless there is a lot of voter fraud like the last election.
Love this. Yes, please keep repeating GOP talking points about massive voting fraud. The only problem is that you have no proof. On the other hand, southern states are doing a terrific job in disenfranchising poor voters who can't afford or acquire a drivers license. Even better, how about closing all the DMVs in counties that have a majority of minority voters.
Oh brother. And you're repeating the easily disproved lies of the Democrats about these "disenfranchised" voters who never seem to show up and be counted, and to my knowledge every single state that has a voter ID requirement will give someone a free ID for voting purposes.
Free isn't good enough for some. The only thing they will accept is if some state flunky hand delivers an ID and then picks up and carries the person to the polls.
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I'll hold my nose and vote for the Hildebeast for two reasons. The first is I think she'd actually make an impressive POTUS. All these guys lie their heads off, so I'm not that worried about that. The second is if she does become POTUS its going to be so fun listening to you guys bitch about it!
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I'll hold my nose and vote for the Hildebeast for two reasons. The first is I think she'd actually make an impressive POTUS. All these guys lie their heads off, so I'm not that worried about that. The second is if she does become POTUS its going to be so fun listening to you guys bitch about it!
And here I thought professors were smart.
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I'll hold my nose and vote for the Hildebeast for two reasons. The first is I think she'd actually make an impressive POTUS. All these guys lie their heads off, so I'm not that worried about that. The second is if she does become POTUS its going to be so fun listening to you guys bitch about it!
So you are OK with Hillary's stated polices of more, and more entlitelment programs administered by are oh so efficient Federal Goverment, and higher, and higher taxes. She kept one upping Bernie Sanders dduring the "debate", and he advocates a 90% income tax rate!
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I heard an analyst on NPR say that Hillary has a real challenge because historically voters do not elect the same party three terms in a row.
However, I heard about this Texas caucus fraud in 2008, and have been following it. Real people, Democrats, who were on scene at the time and were told to leave the building; when they came back, votes had been altered. Their position is that without that interference, Hillary would have won Texas.
http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/ (http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/)
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When I think back to the Obama phenomenon of 2008, I remember being very suspicious of his primary win record. Only seeming to do well I states with caucuses, and the running very well I states with little, r no voter law oversight seemed to be the only things that got Obama past the hildebeast in the primaries.
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I'll hold my nose and vote for the Hildebeast for two reasons. The first is I think she'd actually make an impressive POTUS. All these guys lie their heads off, so I'm not that worried about that. The second is if she does become POTUS its going to be so fun listening to you guys bitch about it!
So you would F the country for some "amusement"?
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Hillary does scare me because a lot of people will vote for her just because she is a woman. However, I don't think she is electable unless there is a lot of voter fraud like the last election.
Love this. Yes, please keep repeating GOP talking points about massive voting fraud. The only problem is that you have no proof. On the other hand, southern states are doing a terrific job in disenfranchising poor voters who can't afford or acquire a drivers license. Even better, how about closing all the DMVs in counties that have a majority of minority voters.
They can't come up with 20 bucks every 4 years? What BULLSHIT.
Who doesn't have some kind of ID in this country in the Year of Our Lord 2016 (those who aren't hiding from ICE, anyway?)
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I'll hold my nose and vote for the Hildebeast for two reasons. The first is I think she'd actually make an impressive POTUS. All these guys lie their heads off, so I'm not that worried about that. The second is if she does become POTUS its going to be so fun listening to you guys bitch about it!
So you would F the country for some "amusement"?
Lieberals have no souls.
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I'll hold my nose and vote for the Hildebeast for two reasons. The first is I think she'd actually make an impressive POTUS. All these guys lie their heads off, so I'm not that worried about that. The second is if she does become POTUS its going to be so fun listening to you guys bitch about it!
And here I thought professors were smart.
Book smart and brain dead.
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Virtually every State has free ID for poor folks or those who can't qualify for a driver license.
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Virtually every State has free ID for poor folks or those who can't qualify for a driver license.
EVERY state that requires Voter ID does this.
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Lieberals have no souls.
Why would you say this? Just because we now have this new wild west, no rules forum, doesn't mean we should all just blurt out whatever comes to mind at that moment without thought. It would be awesome if this place were to become a place for actual debate and discussion and not just a place for conservatives to vent their pent up frustrations and congratulate each other on insults well done.
On the other hand, with no rules or governance, this place will likely end up mob rule and if that is to be the case, it will stagnate and die.
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Lieberals have no souls.
Why would you say this? Just because we now have this new wild west, no rules forum, doesn't mean we should all just blurt out whatever comes to mind at that moment without thought. It would be awesome if this place were to become a place for actual debate and discussion and not just a place for conservatives to vent their pent up frustrations and congratulate each other on insults well done.
On the other hand, with no rules or governance, this place will likely end up mob rule and if that is to be the case, it will stagnate and die.
People who would trade their sacred vote for entertainment value to the detriment of 330 million citizens have something seriously lacking.
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Virtually every State has free ID for poor folks or those who can't qualify for a driver license.
Yea but .....
They have to pay for gas to drive to the DMV to get an ID; or
They may have to buy a bus token to get to the DMV to get and ID; or
I've run out of lame-ass excuses.
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People who would trade their sacred vote for entertainment value to the detriment of 330 million citizens have something seriously lacking.
Yeah sure, but you condemn an entire group (possibly half) of the US population to having no soul based on the post of just one person. Seems a little knee jerk and not thought out too me. That's my point.
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Why would you say this? Just because we now have this new wild west, no rules forum, doesn't mean we should all just blurt out whatever comes to mind at that moment without thought. It would be awesome if this place were to become a place for actual debate and discussion and not just a place for conservatives to vent their pent up frustrations and congratulate each other on insults well done.
On the other hand, with no rules or governance, this place will likely end up mob rule and if that is to be the case, it will stagnate and die.
An alternate point of view would be that an uncensored forum allows for a fuller and more open flow of unfiltered belief and opinion. The drive to censor, and filter and water down is, in my opinion, a substantial contributor to the mess we find ourselves in today.
We need a return to true freedom of thought and expression, the freedom to call a spade a spade, and especially the freedom to disagree and discuss. Good is good, evil is evil. There are causes, there are results. We observe, we calculate, we categorize and then we determine what these things, what any thing means 'to' us, and 'for' us, and for our country or our friends and families.
Some of us feel very strongly about our beliefs, about the threats we perceive to our way of life or to our families and friends. This naturally leads to occasionally high emotions, and that frankly is good in my opinion because the unfiltered beliefs are more authentic, more real - and the result can be real, unfiltered and unfettered communication which might lead to change.
At least that is how I see it.
'Gimp
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Why would you say this? Just because we now have this new wild west, no rules forum, doesn't mean we should all just blurt out whatever comes to mind at that moment without thought. It would be awesome if this place were to become a place for actual debate and discussion and not just a place for conservatives to vent their pent up frustrations and congratulate each other on insults well done.
On the other hand, with no rules or governance, this place will likely end up mob rule and if that is to be the case, it will stagnate and die.
An alternate point of view would be that an uncensored forum allows for a fuller and more open flow of unfiltered belief and opinion. The drive to censor, and filter and water down is, in my opinion, a substantial contributor to the mess we find ourselves in today.
We need a return to true freedom of thought and expression, the freedom to call a spade a spade, and especially the freedom to disagree and discuss. Good is good, evil is evil. There are causes, there are results. We observe, we calculate, we categorize and then we determine what these things, what any thing means 'to' us, and 'for' us, and for our country or our friends and families.
Some of us feel very strongly about our beliefs, about the threats we perceive to our way of life or to our families and friends. This naturally leads to occasionally high emotions, and that frankly is good in my opinion because the unfiltered beliefs are more authentic, more real - and the result can be real, unfiltered and unfettered communication which might lead to change.
At least that is how I see it.
'Gimp
I'm with you all the way. But;
If you were to believe that (some) people actually have a "soul", would you go along with the assumption that "liberals have no soul" because Ben decided not to vote for a foolish reason, and he actually enjoyed watching the illogical results?
I think a better response would have been "Ben, that's foolish and short sited". You could even add "typically liberal" if you wished.
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I'm with you all the way. But;
If you were to believe that (some) people actually have a "soul", would you go along with the assumption that "liberals have no soul" because Ben decided not to vote for a foolish reason, and he actually enjoyed watching the illogical results?
I think a better response would have been "Ben, that's foolish and short sited". You could even add "typically liberal" if you wished.
I don't want to be in the business of telling anyone what they should say, how they should say it, etc., and I won't accept someone else trying to do so for me - I haven't posted on POA since that debacle began for that specific reason. The call for filtering and 'toning it down' is nothing more than thinly veiled censorship in my opinion.
We are all adults. If someone accuses me of having no heart or soul or intelligence because I am an 'evil' conservative means nothing to me - I know what I do in terms of volunteerism and charity and I know how my intellect measures up with respect to anything or anyone important to me - I believe what I believe and hold my principles independent of what others may say or think and as such I have no need for others to limit their discussion with me. I can make up my own mind as to what an insult or over the top criticism or attempt at name calling means to me, and I can decide if any particular statement is worth a response - I don't need or want anyone else pre-filtering things for me, I'm a grown-ass man for God's sake.
Life is hard, people should wear a helmet or stay home/not participate if they can't handle true, free and open discussion.
'Gimp
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I'm with you all the way. But;
If you were to believe that (some) people actually have a "soul", would you go along with the assumption that "liberals have no soul" because Ben decided not to vote for a foolish reason, and he actually enjoyed watching the illogical results?
I think a better response would have been "Ben, that's foolish and short sited". You could even add "typically liberal" if you wished.
I don't want to be in the business of telling anyone what they should say, how they should say it, etc., and I won't accept someone else trying to do so for me - I haven't posted on POA since that debacle began for that specific reason. The call for filtering and 'toning it down' is nothing more than thinly veiled censorship in my opinion.
We are all adults. If someone accuses me of having no heart or soul or intelligence because I am an 'evil' conservative means nothing to me - I know what I do in terms of volunteerism and charity and I know how my intellect measures up with respect to anything or anyone important to me - I believe what I believe and hold my principles independent of what others may say or think and as such I have no need for others to limit their discussion with me. I can make up my own mind as to what an insult or over the top criticism or attempt at name calling means to me, and I can decide if any particular statement is worth a response - I don't need or want anyone else pre-filtering things for me, I'm a grown-ass man for God's sake.
Life is hard, people should wear a helmet or stay home/not participate if they can't handle true, free and open discussion.
'Gimp
Agreed completely.
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An alternate point of view would be that an uncensored forum allows for a fuller and more open flow of unfiltered belief and opinion. The drive to censor, and filter and water down is, in my opinion, a substantial contributor to the mess we find ourselves in today.
We need a return to true freedom of thought and expression, the freedom to call a spade a spade, and especially the freedom to disagree and discuss. Good is good, evil is evil. There are causes, there are results. We observe, we calculate, we categorize and then we determine what these things, what any thing means 'to' us, and 'for' us, and for our country or our friends and families.
Some of us feel very strongly about our beliefs, about the threats we perceive to our way of life or to our families and friends. This naturally leads to occasionally high emotions, and that frankly is good in my opinion because the unfiltered beliefs are more authentic, more real - and the result can be real, unfiltered and unfettered communication which might lead to change.
At least that is how I see it.
'Gimp
I'm not looking for, or asking for filtering, or watering down, or any kind of censorship. I'm asking for actual thought be placed behind our posts. I'm hoping that this forum can get a fresh start above just simple name calling and demonizing the other side. It's not a realistic hope though...
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Life is hard, people should wear a helmet or stay home/not participate if they can't handle true, free and open discussion.
'Gimp
It's not a discussion anymore when it comes down to "Liberals have no soul.", but whatever I guess...
carry on.
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It cannot be made any clearer: The discussion is here to be had, your opinion and input are valuable, but you can back out anytime if something offends you. A better approach would be to ignore, or just critically scan, the comments of the person who has offended you. There may still be something valuable in other things they have to say.
Look, I cannot tell you how often, even as a moderate, I have to ignore horrible generalizations and accusations. The liberal media is filled with them everywhere I look, and it is very hard to avoid. Even friends and family do it.
There is more intelligence and ability in the Republican presidential candidate lineup than in the astonishingly incompetent and unsuitable people the Democrats have put out there, but the media calls the Republican candidates a "clown car." Totally a falsehood, but just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the insult frenzy the left dumps on the right. In dumping on the right, they're also dumping on moderates who are trying to get an idea of where we want our country to go.
Dumpers, however, tend to get sidelined.
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It cannot be made any clearer: The discussion is here to be had, your opinion and input are valuable, but you can back out anytime if something offends you. A better approach would be to ignore, or just critically scan, the comments of the person who has offended you. There may still be something valuable in other things they have to say.
Everyone here seems to misunderstand me. I'm not offended. I don't identify as a liberal, so it doesn't bother me personally. I also don't believe in putting anyone on "ignore". It's silly.
The point of my original response was a request that maybe we start this forum off as a more intelligent place than the old Spin Zone was and try to refrain from name calling, insults and gross generalizations. The old Spin Zone was often just a school yard squabble with no real argument, but just contradiction and insults.
Anyhow, the suggestion seems to have fallen on deaf ears. It seems the freedom to insult people is held more dear than the ideal of a good debate. So be it. Like I have said, I'm not here to censor anybody (even if I could) or go all touchy feely PC on people. I can play the school yard way too, but I fear it will get boring, turn people off once the loudest bullies take over and this site will never get any bigger, or better.
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I'm with you all the way. But;
If you were to believe that (some) people actually have a "soul", would you go along with the assumption that "liberals have no soul" because Ben decided not to vote for a foolish reason, and he actually enjoyed watching the illogical results?
I think a better response would have been "Ben, that's foolish and short sited". You could even add "typically liberal" if you wished.
I don't want to be in the business of telling anyone what they should say, how they should say it, etc., and I won't accept someone else trying to do so for me - I haven't posted on POA since that debacle began for that specific reason. The call for filtering and 'toning it down' is nothing more than thinly veiled censorship in my opinion.
We are all adults. If someone accuses me of having no heart or soul or intelligence because I am an 'evil' conservative means nothing to me - I know what I do in terms of volunteerism and charity and I know how my intellect measures up with respect to anything or anyone important to me - I believe what I believe and hold my principles independent of what others may say or think and as such I have no need for others to limit their discussion with me. I can make up my own mind as to what an insult or over the top criticism or attempt at name calling means to me, and I can decide if any particular statement is worth a response - I don't need or want anyone else pre-filtering things for me, I'm a grown-ass man for God's sake.
Life is hard, people should wear a helmet or stay home/not participate if they can't handle true, free and open discussion.
'Gimp
I can't argue with that. Name calling is not my style, but I can deal with it. I don't understand it and I don't like it, and I think less of those that do it, but I can deal with it.
And I may be wrong, but I don't recall you participating in gratuitous name calling either.
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It cannot be made any clearer: The discussion is here to be had, your opinion and input are valuable, but you can back out anytime if something offends you. A better approach would be to ignore, or just critically scan, the comments of the person who has offended you. There may still be something valuable in other things they have to say.
Everyone here seems to misunderstand me. I'm not offended. I don't identify as a liberal, so it doesn't bother me personally. I also don't believe in putting anyone on "ignore". It's silly.
The point of my original response was a request that maybe we start this forum off as a more intelligent place than the old Spin Zone was and try to refrain from name calling, insults and gross generalizations. The old Spin Zone was often just a school yard squabble with no real argument, but just contradiction and insults.
Anyhow, the suggestion seems to have fallen on deaf ears. It seems the freedom to insult people is held more dear than the ideal of a good debate. So be it. Like I have said, I'm not here to censor anybody (even if I could) or go all touchy feely PC on people. I can play the school yard way too, but I fear it will get boring, turn people off once the loudest bullies take over and this site will never get any bigger, or better.
I fully understand and agree with your stated position. My friends are of all political, religious, ethnic backgrounds yet we vehemently disagree about things sans insults/name calling. Somehow that gets lost in the interwebs.
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It cannot be made any clearer: The discussion is here to be had, your opinion and input are valuable, but you can back out anytime if something offends you. A better approach would be to ignore, or just critically scan, the comments of the person who has offended you. There may still be something valuable in other things they have to say.
Everyone here seems to misunderstand me. I'm not offended. I don't identify as a liberal, so it doesn't bother me personally. I also don't believe in putting anyone on "ignore". It's silly.
The point of my original response was a request that maybe we start this forum off as a more intelligent place than the old Spin Zone was and try to refrain from name calling, insults and gross generalizations. The old Spin Zone was often just a school yard squabble with no real argument, but just contradiction and insults.
Anyhow, the suggestion seems to have fallen on deaf ears. It seems the freedom to insult people is held more dear than the ideal of a good debate. So be it. Like I have said, I'm not here to censor anybody (even if I could) or go all touchy feely PC on people. I can play the school yard way too, but I fear it will get boring, turn people off once the loudest bullies take over and this site will never get any bigger, or better.
I'm with you.