PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Number7 on November 05, 2021, 11:16:16 AM
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Cue the pathetic whiners among us.
What most people already knew was confirmed.
US taxpayers funded the creation of the bio-terror covid virus.
Now, the rationalizations can start.
https://www.lucianne.com/2021/11/05/letter_confirms_wuhan_labs_covid-19_leak_was_funded_by_us_taxpayers_72581.html
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Unsurprising that Number 7 doesn't remember that I addressed just this point, that the revelation comes as no surprise to anyone who pays the least attention to the news, and why the money was actually very well spent. Cue puerile insult.
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What is surprising is mikey showing up and pretending that the wuhan chinese virus wasn’t biosarfare, plain and simple.
But, he really doesn’t have two brain cells to rub together, so when he babbles the communist party line, no one should be surprised.
He’s never been more than a troll, anyhow…
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Unsurprising that Number 7 doesn't remember that I addressed just this point, that the revelation comes as no surprise to anyone who pays the least attention to the news, and why the money was actually very well spent. Cue puerile insult.
Why did it have to be paid to a foreign communist government if it was money well spent? Why couldn’t it have been spent here?
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Why did it have to be paid to a foreign communist government if it was money well spent? Why couldn’t it have been spent here?
Because we haven't the bats that carry the coronaviruses that have been causing the breakout diseases we've seen in the last few years. Cue next puerile insult.
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Because we haven't the bats that carry the coronaviruses that have been causing the breakout diseases we've seen in the last few years. Cue next puerile insult.
So it's impossible to catch these bats (as the Chinese have done) and ship them to the US??
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So it's impossible to catch these bats (as the Chinese have done) and ship them to the US??
Not if the CCP is using the money to create a disease used to damage the USA.
Mikey isn't smart enough to understand that sometimes what people say and what they are different things.
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Because we haven't the bats that carry the coronaviruses that have been causing the breakout diseases we've seen in the last few years. Cue next puerile insult.
Settle down, Karen.
If only we had some means to send these bats to other parts of the world quickly and efficiently. Thinking…..
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So it's impossible to catch these bats (as the Chinese have done) and ship them to the US??
Not really. Their husbandry isn't all that straightforward, and that kind of sampling is best done in situ. The work was highly regarded, their NIH grant had single digit scores. Didn't stop Trump from cancelling it. The idea was to get an idea what viruses are running around the bats before one causes a worldwide pandemic. Guess we missed out on that one.
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If the government was not in the business of taking other people’s money without their consent and using it to fund research, all of this would be much less of an issue.
The only just thing to do with stolen funds is to return them to the victims. All the rest of this is essentially thieves arguing about how the loot should be divvied up. Sort of uninteresting to me.
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If the government was not in the business of taking other people’s money without their consent and using it to fund research, all of this would be much less of an issue.
The only just thing to do with stolen funds is to return them to the victims. All the rest of this is essentially thieves arguing about how the loot should be divvied up. Sort of uninteresting to me.
The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
Government starts out wanting to learn about pandemics in case there’s another real one, like the Black Death. Because it’s for the “public good”, use of taxpayer dollars is justified. The individuals involved discover how much fun it is to play with other people’s money. They go down a couple of irresponsible pathways, like gain of function, and in the meantime become kings of their insulated out of touch little research fiefdoms. It becomes a bigger and bigger game, involving ever more bureaucrats, academics, and politicians and begins to cross international borders where what little oversight there was becomes completely lost.
Meanwhile, a fanciful unproven idea cooked up by a fourteen year old for a school project somehow gets incorporated into official government plans to address future pandemics. Then, the very taxpayer funded research results in a breach of containment in one of the foreign labs lacking strict safety protocols and a virus, which may or may not have had gain of function added, escapes into the world and begins spreading. Fortunately this virus isn’t anything near a Black Death but the “experts”, consisting of people by now 100% out of touch with real world producers of food, goods and services, advise implementing the insane plan cooked up by the teenager, which is essentially to commit national economic suicide.
Close to two years later this plan is still being doggedly followed, despite having proven ineffective in stopping the disease, despite the disease itself proving not much more deadly than ordinary influenza, and despite devastating consequences to millions of people’s lives. Lockdowns were theorized based on a model without any consideration for long term economic and political consequences. The worst of these many consequences is the funneling of power and money upwards to the elite rich class and the ensuing rise of totalitarianism.
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Personally, I think anyone that doesn't believe that China wants to dominate the world by whatever means possible, including turning loose a virus like Sars-Cov-2 isn't paying attention.
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Personally, I think anyone that doesn't believe that China wants to dominate the world by whatever means possible, including turning loose a virus like Sars-Cov-2 isn't paying attention.
Certainly they have a belief in their inevitable dominance. But I don't believe anyone could have modeled and predicted what this virus would do and how people would react to it. Releasing it intentionally would be like throwing a nuclear hand grenade.
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This one could have just been a test for the releasing the NIPAH Virus next.
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I just did a calculation of percent of the world’s population killed by COVID.
Total current deaths: 5,057,989
Total world population as of this minute (changes fast): 7,801,615,250
5,057,989 / 7,801,615,250 = 0.0006483 x 100 = 0.0648%
That’s less than a tenth of one percent.
By comparison the Spanish flu killed between 1 and 5% of the world’s population.
The bubonic plague killed 30 to 50% of the world’s population.
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- I don't believe this bat nonsense (a bat intended for soup in a Chinese market was sick and someone unknowingly ate the soup)
- I don't believe it was an escaped bioweapon (and neither do you)
Here's why. If it were an escaped bioweapon then it means that the developer would have the ability to undo the damage with the same deniability that this virus has, thereby hiding their bioweapons capability.
Otherwise, we are forced to believe that the developer has no regard for life on this planet.
If this were true, then it's proof that Pfizer and Moderna (and others) are selling snake oil.
Prove me wrong.
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Bio weapons have other functions than just killing.
A bio weapon that sickens and disables an enemy is effective on lowering their ability on a battlefield. And a bio weapon that sickens and introduces panic and fear into a population has enormous effects on global policies, economics and can effect political stabilities. In addition, a virus potent enough to do a mass killing of a population cannot be isolated or controlled, and has a high potential of infecting the entity that launched the weapon.
People have been focusing on the Wuhan Virus "well, it can't be a viable bio weapon because it didn't cause mass casualties" while ignoring what the virus has actually done.
China is in a much stronger position today geo politically than it's ever been, thanks in a large part of their virus. We know that Fauci used taxpayer money to help fund GoF research in Wuhan in a lab used by the PLA to develop bio weapons. We also have many papers written by the PLA and the CCP on how an effective virus release would help change and shape global policies and politics.
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Certainly they have a belief in their inevitable dominance. But I don't believe anyone could have modeled and predicted what this virus would do and how people would react to it. Releasing it intentionally would be like throwing a nuclear hand grenade.
If Chinese scientists really did create COVID from whole cloth then we've lost already. I promise if they could do that two years ago what they can do now is far, far worse. Science marches on. That said our best evidence suggests this disease had a natural origin from folks eating bush meat, that's what the epidemiology says. Moreover, that's where viruses come from in this day and age. And as people continue to put pressure on the natural world it will happen again.
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Here's why. If it were an escaped bioweapon then it means that the developer would have the ability to undo the damage with the same deniability that this virus has, thereby hiding their bioweapons capability.
quite the assumption there...
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Bio weapons have other functions than just killing.
A bio weapon that sickens and disables an enemy is effective on lowering their ability on a battlefield. And a bio weapon that sickens and introduces panic and fear into a population has enormous effects on global policies, economics and can effect political stabilities. In addition, a virus potent enough to do a mass killing of a population cannot be isolated or controlled, and has a high potential of infecting the entity that launched the weapon.
People have been focusing on the Wuhan Virus "well, it can't be a viable bio weapon because it didn't cause mass casualties" while ignoring what the virus has actually done.
China is in a much stronger position today geo politically than it's ever been, thanks in a large part of their virus. We know that Fauci used taxpayer money to help fund GoF research in Wuhan in a lab used by the PLA to develop bio weapons. We also have many papers written by the PLA and the CCP on how an effective virus release would help change and shape global policies and politics.
So you can produce a cogent thought! I guess you're good for something after all.
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So you can produce a cogent thought! I guess you're good for something after all.
Everything he says is true. But it's not PROOF it was a deliberately created and released bioweapon. Personally I'm leaning to it is not. But I remain open to considering it, I haven't ruled it out.
I also do not believe it crossed to man directly from the wild, like somebody caught a wild bat, sold it at the wet market and somebody ate it. The evidence that the virus spent time at Wuhan is extremely strong, even if only circumstantial. Steingar has said, and I agree, that we will probably never know what exactly happened, as the Chinese will never allow an investigation.
I believe the most likely scenario is they were fiddling with the virus, maybe added a gain of function, maybe they did not. If they were it was most likely for legitimate research purposes (reserving consideration of the military bioweapon theory as a lesser possibility). Either way, gain of function or not, it was being cultivated in captive bats, and somehow escaped the Wuhan lab. Either a euthanized bat was snuck off and sold to the wet market by a low paid worker, or someone caught the disease and went out and spread it in the community.
I do believe it's plausible the CCP doesn't care a fig about human life. Still doesn't prove they deliberately released this thing.
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I do believe it's plausible the CCP doesn't care a fig about human life.
"plausible"? Is there anything more certain than the fact the CCP doesn't care a fig about human life?
Still doesn't prove they deliberately released this thing.
true.
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- I don't believe this bat nonsense (a bat intended for soup in a Chinese market was sick and someone unknowingly ate the soup)
- I don't believe it was an escaped bioweapon (and neither do you)
Here's why. If it were an escaped bioweapon then it means that the developer would have the ability to undo the damage with the same deniability that this virus has, thereby hiding their bioweapons capability.
Otherwise, we are forced to believe that the developer has no regard for life on this planet.
If this were true, then it's proof that Pfizer and Moderna (and others) are selling snake oil.
Prove me wrong.
Did Mao Tse Dung have any regard for human life on his corner of the planet? Serious question.
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Everything he says is true. But it's not PROOF it was a deliberately created and released bioweapon. Personally I'm leaning to it is not. But I remain open to considering it, I haven't ruled it out.
I also do not believe it crossed to man directly from the wild, like somebody caught a wild bat, sold it at the wet market and somebody ate it. The evidence that the virus spent time at Wuhan is extremely strong, even if only circumstantial. Steingar has said, and I agree, that we will probably never know what exactly happened, as the Chinese will never allow an investigation.
I believe the most likely scenario is they were fiddling with the virus, maybe added a gain of function, maybe they did not. If they were it was most likely for legitimate research purposes (reserving consideration of the military bioweapon theory as a lesser possibility). Either way, gain of function or not, it was being cultivated in captive bats, and somehow escaped the Wuhan lab. Either a euthanized bat was snuck off and sold to the wet market by a low paid worker, or someone caught the disease and went out and spread it in the community.
I do believe it's plausible the CCP doesn't care a fig about human life. Still doesn't prove they deliberately released this thing.
Look at the geo political world in the last 5 years.
With Trump as President, China was hurting. Removing manufacturing from the Chinese mainland, severe restrictions on intellectual property, tariffs and other actions the CCP was seeing their base diminish. President Xi was on the ropes as leader and was actually being considered to be replaced.
The CCP could not last another Trump Administration. Meanwhile, we had a little troll named Anthony Fauci who was more than happy to ship his GoF research over to a lab in Wuhan being run by the PLA. There are papers out there written by the people in the CCP and PLA detailing how a global pandemic would shift economies and political alliances.
A bio weapon virus is perfect. It doesn't require a special purpose vehicle to deploy. And a virus that can be asymptomatic is even better, just infect a few people and send them on an airliner to your country of choosing. By the time anyone figures out what is going on, it's too late.
Covid-19 is on par with influenza, but with the fear mongering, inept government actions and a compliant media both in Big Tech and MSM, the fear becomes worse than the disease. Just take a look at how the world has changed.
Now, was the release accidental? Dunno. Those that do will never talk nor will the west ever get an answer. But a corona virus being used for GoF for the intent purpose to "super charge" the virus, being done in a bio weapons lab run by the PLA, with the first outbreaks near the lab site sure look suspicious.
If it quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck...................
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Liars have to lie.
Pussies have to be pussies.
Those same people have to pretend nothing about the scamdemic was / is questionable because they're pussies, repeating liars.
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Did Mao Tse Dung have any regard for human life on his corner of the planet? Serious question.
I don't know enough about him, practically nothing really.
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I don't know enough about him, practically nothing really.
https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/the-legacy-mao-zedong-mass-murder
Can you name the greatest mass murderer of the 20th century? No, it wasn’t Hitler or Stalin. It was Mao Zedong.
According to the authoritative “Black Book of Communism,” an estimated 65 million Chinese died as a result of Mao’s repeated, merciless attempts to create a new “socialist” China. Anyone who got in his way was done away with -- by execution, imprisonment or forced famine.
For Mao, the No. 1 enemy was the intellectual. The so-called Great Helmsman reveled in his blood-letting, boasting, “What’s so unusual about Emperor Shih Huang of the China Dynasty? He had buried alive 460 scholars only, but we have buried alive 46,000 scholars.” Mao was referring to a major “accomplishment” of the Great Cultural Revolution, which from 1966-1976 transformed China into a great House of Fear.
The most inhumane example of Mao’s contempt for human life came when he ordered the collectivization of China’s agriculture under the ironic slogan, the “Great Leap Forward.” A deadly combination of lies about grain production, disastrous farming methods (profitable tea plantations, for example, were turned into rice fields), and misdistribution of food produced the worse famine in human history.
Deaths from hunger reached more than 50 percent in some Chinese villages. The total number of dead from 1959 to 1961 was between 30 million and 40 million -- the population of California.
Rounding up enemies
Only five years later, when he sensed that revolutionary fervor in China was waning, Mao proclaimed the Cultural Revolution. Gangs of Red Guards -- young men and women between 14 and 21 -- roamed the cities targeting revisionists and other enemies of the state, especially teachers.
Professors were dressed in grotesque clothes and dunce caps, their faces smeared with ink. They were then forced to get down on all fours and bark like dogs. Some were beaten to death, some even eaten -- all for the promulgation of Maoism. A reluctant Mao finally called in the Red Army to put down the marauding Red Guards when they began attacking Communist Party members, but not before 1 million Chinese died.
All the while, Mao kept expanding the laogai, a system of 1,000 forced labor camps throughout China. Harry Wu, who spent 19 years in labor camps, has estimated that from the 1950s through the 1980s, 50 million Chinese passed through the Chinese version of the Soviet gulag. Twenty million died as a result of the primitive living conditions and 14-hour work days.
Such calculated cruelty exemplified his Al Capone philosophy: “Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.”
And yet Mao Zedong remains the most honored figure in the Chinese Communist Party. At one end of historic Tiananmen Square is Mao’s mausoleum, visited daily by large, respectful crowds. At the other end of the square is a giant portrait of Mao above the entrance to the Forbidden City, the favorite site of visitors, Chinese and foreign.
Repression continues
In the spirit of Mao, China’s present rulers continue to oppress intellectuals and other dissidents such as human-rights activist Liu Xiaobo. He was sentenced last month to 11 years in prison for “inciting subversion of state power.” His offense: signing Charter 08, which calls on the government to respect basic civil and human rights within a democratic framework. .
China presents itself as a vast market for U.S. companies and investors. But some U.S. companies are taking a second look at doing business in a country which considers Mao Zedong its patron saint. Google has said it is reconsidering its operations in China after discovering a sophisticated cyber attack on its e-mail which the government must have initiated or approved.
Google has revealed what many in the Internet world have known for some time -- China routinely hacks into U.S. and Western Web sites for national security and other valuable information. Mao would have enthusiastically applauded this intellectual rape.
I wonder: would President Obama be so ready to kowtow to China if in the middle of Beijing there was a mausoleum of Hitler and, hanging from the gate to the Forbidden City, a giant swastika?
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https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/the-legacy-mao-zedong-mass-murder
All true, @Jaybird180.
So now do you think the Chinese respect human life?
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I cannot answer for how "the Chinese" view human life through the lens of that author's view of the former rulership of a Chinese leader and his legacy, but I'm always skeptical when I'm being persuaded to accept absolute savagery as though there was no context to how he came to power and the people who supported him.
I'm going to have to stay on the sidelines on this part of the discussion as I'm sure there's a lot missing.
History is replete with examples of savagery. I was surprised to learn about the savagery of the Japanese during their Chinese occupation, yet Japanese martial culture is generally revered still to this day.
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I cannot answer for how "the Chinese" view human life through the lens of that author's view of the former rulership of a Chinese leader and his legacy, but I'm always skeptical when I'm being persuaded to accept absolute savagery as though there was no context to how he came to power and the people who supported him.
I'm going to have to stay on the sidelines on this part of the discussion as I'm sure there's a lot missing.
History is replete with examples of savagery. I was surprised to learn about the savagery of the Japanese during their Chinese occupation, yet Japanese martial culture is generally revered still to this day.
How about the savagery and human oppression in the Islamic world today?
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There are 2.3bn Christians and 1.8bn Muslims in the world, with Islam being the fastest growing religion in the world. You're going to have to paint with a finer brush if you want any real answer.
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There are 2.3bn Christians and 1.8bn Muslims in the world, with Islam being the fastest growing religion in the world. You're going to have to paint with a finer brush if you want any real answer.
So there are no human atrocities happening under any Islamic country today? Is that correct?
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Nope, everybody is being good little boys and girls.
Are we getting somewhere with this?
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Nope, everybody is being good little boys and girls.
Are we getting somewhere with this?
Just watching your denial of reality.
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Glad I could entertain. Now, how good are you at troubleshooting a carburetor? My JD lawn tractor won't start.
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Glad I could entertain. Now, how good are you at troubleshooting a carburetor? My JD lawn tractor won't start.
is the carb dirty?
is the carb getting gas?
is the battery charged?
is the plug getting a spark?
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It was a case of:
Looks like there's enough gas
(fills gas tank anyway)
(Starts up)
Damn, there wasn't enough gas
(facepalm)