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Title: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Jaybird180 on April 18, 2016, 08:30:10 AM


I think this video does a decent job of trying to explain what's happening over there. Ironically I'd done some geographical research a couple weeks ago trying to interpret the news discussions. This puts it in a graphical format with a 2 minute video.

https://www.facebook.com/Shashaps/videos/857733444237268/
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Mase on April 18, 2016, 10:10:58 AM
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Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Jaybird180 on April 18, 2016, 11:32:21 AM
Try the new link. Sorry for the bad link
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on April 18, 2016, 01:30:04 PM
If those Palestinians, so-called, spent their time building and trading as civilized people, instead of burning 100% of  their cycles hating the Joos, they would have a pretty nice country.
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Number7 on April 18, 2016, 03:18:42 PM
If those Palestinians, so-called, spent their time building and trading as civilized people, instead of burning 100% of  their cycles hating the Joos, they would have a pretty nice country.
They are like the poverty pimp, Al Sharpton, hating Jews (in the case of the race whore, hating whitey), pays so well. Every time you turn around their dear leader, President Obama is handing out our money to them.
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Jaybird180 on April 18, 2016, 03:28:36 PM
I appreciate your opinions. Now, what did you learn from the video? Anything surprise or inform you? Was there some factual error that you wish to discuss? Let me know I'm interested in understanding the ME conflict, as it started well before I was born.
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Mase on April 18, 2016, 04:02:30 PM
Point#1:  The Wall.  No explanation of why it was built (to keep suicide bombers out).
Point#2:   No mention of the fact that the "Palestinians" could have had a country long ago if they would only recognize the right of Israel to exist.
Point#3:   "Palestinians" who are Israeli citizens and chose to stay,have a better life, more freedom, and the vote, than the ones who left and are complaining.
Title: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: nddons on April 18, 2016, 05:22:45 PM
Point#1:  The Wall.  No explanation of why it was built (to keep suicide bombers out).
Point#2:   No mention of the fact that the "Palestinians" could have had a country long ago if they would only recognize the right of Israel to exist.
Point#3:   "Palestinians" who are Israeli citizens and chose to stay,have a better life, more freedom, and the vote, than the ones who left and are complaining.
Point #4:  "Palestinians" are not accepted nor invited to resettle in nearby Muslim countries from where most Palestinians historically have come.
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: bflynn on April 18, 2016, 07:11:09 PM
I think the video is a very carefully crafted piece of propaganda.  It fails to mention that Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Iraq invaded Israel on behalf of Palestine and were repelled during the 1948 Arab-Isaeli War and that the creation of the Palestinians were the result of their invasion to start with.  Arabs caused the war to escalate and Palestine lost.  That is what happens during a war, the losing side .... loses.  A magnanimous victor may turn the country back over to a new government but they aren't required to.

68 years later they are still on about being "owed" reparations for losing. 
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Mase on April 18, 2016, 07:14:40 PM
It is definitely one-sided propaganda.
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Jaybird180 on April 18, 2016, 07:34:00 PM
Well, you do know that this land was called Palestine for a long time, right.  And when the so-called "Promised Land" was offered to the people that would CALL THEMSELVES Israeli took a long time to think about it....I mean, if this is the land that you were promised by God and you're a believer then why did you have the think about it?


The Israelis are NOT the people in the Bible referred to as The Children of Israel.  These are imposters, many of whom are decent and sincere people- but mistaken about their own history and identity.
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: nddons on April 18, 2016, 07:57:53 PM
Well, you do know that this land was called Palestine for a long time, right.  And when the so-called "Promised Land" was offered to the people that would CALL THEMSELVES Israeli took a long time to think about it....I mean, if this is the land that you were promised by God and you're a believer then why did you have the think about it?


The Israelis are NOT the people in the Bible referred to as The Children of Israel.  These are imposters, many of whom are decent and sincere people- but mistaken about their own history and identity.
Who are you to call them imposters? 
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on April 18, 2016, 07:58:47 PM

The Israelis are NOT the people in the Bible referred to as The Children of Israel.  These are imposters, many of whom are decent and sincere people- but mistaken about their own history and identity.
What do you mean by that (cue Calypso music)?
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Dav8or on April 18, 2016, 11:47:54 PM
Well, you do know that this land was called Palestine for a long time, right.  And when the so-called "Promised Land" was offered to the people that would CALL THEMSELVES Israeli took a long time to think about it....I mean, if this is the land that you were promised by God and you're a believer then why did you have the think about it?


The Israelis are NOT the people in the Bible referred to as The Children of Israel.  These are imposters, many of whom are decent and sincere people- but mistaken about their own history and identity.

Like everywhere else on the whole damn planet... the ground belongs to whoever is strong enough to take it and strong enough to keep it. It is like that everywhere in the world and has been for all of time. Even long before there was a Moses, or Jesus, or Mohammed. Israel, Palestine... whatever. Israel has it and they took it fair and square by the rules that is nature. They were smart, they planned and they were strong. They prevailed. The Palestinians have tried to take it back. They have failed. They will continue to fail IMO.

Even in areas where there were no humans living, the land was taken from the animals and the animals have not been able to take it back. The smart animals learn to adapt as best they can and survive, the hardened animals live wild but ever pushed back. The Palestinians could learn from the animals. Civilization, laws, rules, goofy religions, all of it is a mask to attempt to conceal our animal roots and a luxury afforded by success. In the end, the strong take and prevail. When they in turn become weakened, another strong power will take from them.

Wishing the world were some other way is a waste of time. The human animal is still animal. Until we mutate and evolve, or engineer our own evolution, we will continue on in this manner.
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Jaybird180 on April 19, 2016, 06:25:39 AM
Like everywhere else on the whole damn planet... the ground belongs to whoever is strong enough to take it and strong enough to keep it. It is like that everywhere in the world and has been for all of time. Even long before there was a Moses, or Jesus, or Mohammed. Israel, Palestine... whatever. Israel has it and they took it fair and square by the rules that is nature. They were smart, they planned and they were strong. They prevailed. The Palestinians have tried to take it back. They have failed. They will continue to fail IMO.

Even in areas where there were no humans living, the land was taken from the animals and the animals have not been able to take it back. The smart animals learn to adapt as best they can and survive, the hardened animals live wild but ever pushed back. The Palestinians could learn from the animals. Civilization, laws, rules, goofy religions, all of it is a mask to attempt to conceal our animal roots and a luxury afforded by success. In the end, the strong take and prevail. When they in turn become weakened, another strong power will take from them.

Wishing the world were some other way is a waste of time. The human animal is still animal. Until we mutate and evolve, or engineer our own evolution, we will continue on in this manner.

I'd considered some of this in my analysis. But it doesn't lead to Peace on Earth, it is the path of continual strife and bloodshed. Humanity must grow from childlike behavior- or Else!
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Jaybird180 on April 19, 2016, 06:27:11 AM
Who are you to call them imposters?
I have a scriptural and anthropological basis from which I speak. I intend no disrespect. But it is a mistaken fact.
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 19, 2016, 07:13:09 AM
Well, you do know that this land was called Palestine for a long time, right.  And when the so-called "Promised Land" was offered to the people that would CALL THEMSELVES Israeli took a long time to think about it....I mean, if this is the land that you were promised by God and you're a believer then why did you have the think about it?


The Israelis are NOT the people in the Bible referred to as The Children of Israel.  These are imposters, many of whom are decent and sincere people- but mistaken about their own history and identity.

Who do you believe are "the children of Israel"?

Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Dav8or on April 19, 2016, 07:44:55 AM
I'd considered some of this in my analysis. But it doesn't lead to Peace on Earth, it is the path of continual strife and bloodshed. Humanity must grow from childlike behavior- or Else!

Yep. That is exactly what we have witnessed since the beginning of time and continue to see. We have never had peace on earth I am quite certain we never will in my lifetime anyhow. There will be no change in this behavior until we physically evolve beyond the animal we are. We are very clever animals with a big brain, bipedal and opposable thumbs and it allows us to create and conceptualize and build things, this distinguishes us from other animals, but we are still very much animals, or should I say, still a member of the creatures of earth with all the evolutionary baggage that entails.
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: nddons on April 19, 2016, 07:54:45 AM
Yep. That is exactly what we have witnessed since the beginning of time and continue to see. We have never had peace on earth I am quite certain we never will in my lifetime anyhow. There will be no change in this behavior until we physically evolve beyond the animal we are. We are very clever animals with a big brain, bipedal and opposable thumbs and it allows us to create and conceptualize and build things, this distinguishes us from other animals, but we are still very much animals, or should I say, still a member of the creatures of earth with all the evolutionary baggage that entails.
If we froze the world as it is today, how would this "evolution" conclude?  Borderless societies? 

There will always be people who want to take what is not rightfully theirs. Unlike common perceptions, the US is not a colonial state. We only ask for sufficient ground in foreign lands to bury our dead.
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Dav8or on April 19, 2016, 08:22:37 AM
If we froze the world as it is today, how would this "evolution" conclude?  Borderless societies? 

There will always be people who want to take what is not rightfully theirs. Unlike common perceptions, the US is not a colonial state. We only ask for sufficient ground in foreign lands to bury our dead.

I have no idea what that evolution would look like, but yes, I think if we were to evolve, it would likely be the end of borders and private property. It would also likely be the end of many of our emotions, such as envy, hate, jealousy, rage. It would be the end of insecurity as well as the "alpha male". It would be a very, very different world, but a world of peace.

I believe, like many science fiction writers, that one day in the future we will become clever enough in our knowledge that the option of evolving into a different being will be before us. The question then will be, will we be willing to let go of the animal in us for the sake of moving forward as a unified group? I doubt there will be a unanimous answer to this when the time comes.
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: nddons on April 19, 2016, 09:01:39 AM
I have no idea what that evolution would look like, but yes, I think if we were to evolve, it would likely be the end of borders and private property. It would also likely be the end of many of our emotions, such as envy, hate, jealousy, rage. It would be the end of insecurity as well as the "alpha male". It would be a very, very different world, but a world of peace.

I believe, like many science fiction writers, that one day in the future we will become clever enough in our knowledge that the option of evolving into a different being will be before us. The question then will be, will we be willing to let go of the animal in us for the sake of moving forward as a unified group? I doubt there will be a unanimous answer to this when the time comes.
I think Darwin disproves your theory. That's a serious statement.

Now for a slightly less serious point:  I think your evolution of getting rid of the "alpha male" has already begun, ironically with the male millennials wearing skinny jeans and generally acting effeminately. Throw in the designated hitter and pink shoes in the NFL, and all hell is breaking loose.
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Dav8or on April 19, 2016, 09:32:36 AM
I think Darwin disproves your theory. That's a serious statement.

Now for a slightly less serious point:  I think your evolution of getting rid of the "alpha male" has already begun, ironically with the male millennials wearing skinny jeans and generally acting effeminately. Throw in the designated hitter and pink shoes in the NFL, and all hell is breaking loose.

My point is, Darwin and natural evolution would not be involved. This would be an engineered evolution by ourselves to ourselves. We're so far off from this possibility that I'm sure we will blow ourselves up before then anyhow, but I still maintain that the only way we can achieve world peace is by physically modifying ourselves.
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Joe-KansasCity on April 19, 2016, 04:10:14 PM
I think Darwin disproves your theory. That's a serious statement.

Now for a slightly less serious point:  I think your evolution of getting rid of the "alpha male" has already begun, ironically with the male millennials wearing skinny jeans and generally acting effeminately. Throw in the designated hitter and pink shoes in the NFL, and all hell is breaking loose.

Wait a minute there Stan.... What are you suggesting relative to the DH?  Real men don't let pitchers swing a bat and embarrass themselves....
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: nddons on April 19, 2016, 09:04:40 PM
Wait a minute there Stan.... What are you suggesting relative to the DH?  Real men don't let pitchers swing a bat and embarrass themselves....
Ugh.  You ALers' pitchers worried about getting ash slivers from holding the lumber?  😉
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Anthony on April 20, 2016, 03:50:20 AM
Now for a slightly less serious point:  I think your evolution of getting rid of the "alpha male" has already begun, ironically with the male millennials wearing skinny jeans and generally acting effeminately. Throw in the designated hitter and pink shoes in the NFL, and all hell is breaking loose.

I don't like the DH either, but I'm a National League guy being from Philly.  Skinny jeans, and effeminate affectations by males is also a non-starter.  It just seems gay to me. 
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Jaybird180 on April 20, 2016, 07:46:49 AM
Who do you believe are "the children of Israel"?
The Children of the Diaspora in America.
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: nddons on April 20, 2016, 07:53:37 AM
The Children of the Diaspora in America.
Is this what your scriptural "proof" told you?  Is this scripture written by Muhammed, the same guy who beheaded every man and boy in the Jewish tribe of Qurayza and enslaved the women of the tribe, effectively wiping it out? 
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Jaybird180 on April 20, 2016, 08:07:35 AM
Is this what your scriptural "proof" told you?  Is this scripture written by Muhammed, the same guy who beheaded every man and boy in the Jewish tribe of Qurayza and enslaved the women of the tribe, effectively wiping it out?
I don't know that Muhammed. Also it's in the Bible if that's your persuasion. I don't consider the Talmud as authoritative as its admittedly committee written script.

Historical research does not support Slaves of 400 years in a land called Egypt (Genesis Chap 15).  There was no place called Egypt at that time. Best estimate of the alleged time period was during the reign of Rameses II, and the people who lived in  what is now called modern day Egypt were fastidious documenters of society. No mention of slaves.

 Historical research only Bears one place and one people on the planet that were enslaved according to Genesis 400 years "in a strange land" or "land that is not theirs" (depending upon translation) and that is in what is now known as the United States of America.
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 20, 2016, 08:30:03 AM
The Children of the Diaspora in America.

only those in America?

Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Joe-KansasCity on April 20, 2016, 09:59:07 AM
Ugh.  You ALers' pitchers worried about getting ash slivers from holding the lumber?  😉

Now this is a real controversy that was supposed to be settled many decades ago, when on On April 6, 1973, Ron Blomberg finish his plate appearance.

This is a far more important issue to bring to final resolution than all of this political nonsense. 

Pitchers have but one role in life... to pitch and leave the wood-lifting to others. 
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Jaybird180 on April 20, 2016, 10:03:06 AM
only those in America?
I've provided a description of a people not a location
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Jaybird180 on April 20, 2016, 10:04:02 AM
Now this is a real controversy that was supposed to be settled many decades ago, when on On April 6, 1973, Ron Blomberg finish his plate appearance.

This is a far more important issue to bring to final resolution than all of this political nonsense. 

Pitchers have but one role in life... to pitch and leave the wood-lifting to others.
So you're saying a pitcher doesn't have to bat? Bullshit!
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Joe-KansasCity on April 20, 2016, 10:06:54 AM
So you're saying a pitcher doesn't have to bat? Bullshit!

Jaybird...this is very disappointing.  I had higher hopes for you.   ;D 
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 20, 2016, 10:22:04 AM
I've provided a description of a people not a location

No, your response include "in America"

I are a engineer, but even I can figure out that "in America" is a location.

Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Jaybird180 on April 20, 2016, 10:46:20 AM
Jaybird...this is very disappointing.  I had higher hopes for you.   ;D
Joe- we'll eventually find the right area wherein we are in synchronicity. ;-)
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Jaybird180 on April 20, 2016, 10:47:47 AM
No, your response include "in America"

I are a engineer, but even I can figure out that "in America" is a location.
Build a door for the box you is in.
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: nddons on April 20, 2016, 11:47:57 AM
No, your response include "in America"

I are a engineer, but even I can figure out that "in America" is a location.
I think I see what's happening. He believes that the prophesy is that the slaves brought to America are the only chosen people of God.
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Mase on April 20, 2016, 12:44:13 PM
Joe- we'll eventually find the right area wherein we are in synchronicity. ;-)

That area most likely includes a flying machine.  Do you favor high wings or low?  :)
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Jaybird180 on April 20, 2016, 03:52:02 PM
That area most likely includes a flying machine.  Do you favor high wings or low?  :)
Mase is trying to start a riot. -LoL
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Jaybird180 on April 20, 2016, 03:52:51 PM
I think I see what's happening. He believes that the prophesy is that the slaves brought to America are the only chosen people of God.

Chosen for that mission and destiny.
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 20, 2016, 05:26:27 PM
Chosen for that mission and destiny.

Wow - what a load of happy horse manure.

Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on April 20, 2016, 05:42:15 PM
Wow - what a load of happy horse manure.

I think the late great Ann Landers referred to this as "making lemonade out of lemons."
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Mase on April 20, 2016, 06:04:24 PM
Chosen for that mission and destiny.

So, the Black Africans who captured their neighbors and sold them to European slave traders chose their victims based on their biblical interpretation?
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 20, 2016, 06:57:54 PM
I think the late great Ann Landers referred to this as "making lemonade out of lemons."

More like making fertilizer.

Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on April 20, 2016, 09:13:07 PM
So, the Black Africans who captured their neighbors and sold them to European slave traders chose their victims based on their biblical interpretation?

BWAAHAHAHAHAHAA....
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Jaybird180 on April 21, 2016, 01:47:32 PM
Wow - what a load of happy horse manure.

What is the basis for such a statement? Because you perceive some slight? How immature...
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 21, 2016, 03:28:59 PM
What is the basis for such a statement? Because you perceive some slight? How immature...

do you always ask a question and then makeup a ludicrous answer yourself?

how "convenient"

Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Dav8or on April 21, 2016, 07:30:18 PM
Wow - what a load of happy horse manure.

To which do you refer? The idea that the decedents of American slaves are the chosen ones, or the goofy religion that came up with the idea of a "chosen people" to start with? I side with the later.
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 21, 2016, 10:48:12 PM
To which do you refer? The idea that the decedents of American slaves are the chosen ones, or the goofy religion that came up with the idea of a "chosen people" to start with? I side with the later.

well, thanks for the completely unnecessary reminder that religious bigots exist.

in any case, the notion that american slaves are the only ones that qualify as the chosen children of Israel is completely without merit.

Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Kristin on April 21, 2016, 11:08:11 PM
Now this is a real controversy that was supposed to be settled many decades ago, when on On April 6, 1973, Ron Blomberg finish his plate appearance.

This is a far more important issue to bring to final resolution than all of this political nonsense. 

Pitchers have but one role in life... to pitch and leave the wood-lifting to others.

I have one name for you!  Madison Bumgarner
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Kristin on April 21, 2016, 11:09:47 PM
The Children of the Diaspora in America.

Sounds like that Mormon schtick.
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: FastEddieB on April 22, 2016, 05:04:46 AM
well, thanks for the completely unnecessary reminder that religious bigots exist.

I don't think it's bigotry to come to the realization that, at their core, ALL religions are based on quite fanciful tales and myths, often borrowed from prior religions.

People are free to latch onto any particular belief system they choose. It's when they figuratively roll their eyes and mock the absurdity of other's beliefs that hypocrisy creeps in.

I still don't see the bigotry in that realization.

Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Joe-KansasCity on April 22, 2016, 03:45:15 PM
I have one name for you!  Madison Bumgarner

A .184 lifetime batting averages is hardly something to get emotional about.... However, he is an excellent pitcher. 
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: nddons on April 22, 2016, 05:28:19 PM
A .184 lifetime batting averages is hardly something to get emotional about.... However, he is an excellent pitcher.
I wonder what the waist line and weight of the average AL pitcher is compared to the average NL pitcher who, as remote as it seems, may actually need to run a baseline every once in a while. 
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Kristin on April 22, 2016, 07:38:51 PM
A .184 lifetime batting averages is hardly something to get emotional about.... However, he is an excellent pitcher.

Pretty good for a pitcher, especially a power hitter.  Two jacks off Kershaw is worth something.
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Anthony on April 22, 2016, 11:24:07 PM
I wonder what the waist line and weight of the average AL pitcher is compared to the average NL pitcher who, as remote as it seems, may actually need to run a baseline every once in a while. 

Good question!  I dislike the DH, and enjoy when pitchers get hits, especially homers. 
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Joe-KansasCity on April 23, 2016, 05:10:04 AM
I wonder what the waist line and weight of the average AL pitcher is compared to the average NL pitcher who, as remote as it seems, may actually need to run a baseline every once in a while. 

That would be a very interesting comparison across the leagues.... In a game where everything seems to be measured, I'm not able to find a body mass index score for major league pitchers....  A couple notable rotund NL pitchers do come to mind however... Bartolo Colon, Fernando Valenzuela...


Pretty good for a pitcher, especially a power hitter.  Two jacks off Kershaw is worth something.

The objective of professional sports is to win, and the DH rule has given the AL teams a true and lasting advantage in the pursuit of that objective, while improving the fan experience.  In the words of the immortal football man, Al Davis...just win baby! Why wouldn't the "Sr League" give their teams a chance to level the playing field?

In addition, most fans don't go to the ballpark to watch pitchers make fools of themselves.  It is comical to watch the attempts, but I find the idea of a near certain out every time through the lineup uninteresting.  A few rare exceptions (Greinke, Bumgarner, etc) don't change the overall reality of poor results at the plate by NL pitchers. 

http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb-news/4691782-designated-hitter-dh-nl-cardinals-john-mozeliak-momentum-bartolo-colon-interleague-play (http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb-news/4691782-designated-hitter-dh-nl-cardinals-john-mozeliak-momentum-bartolo-colon-interleague-play)

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Since the DH was instituted, American League teams have a 23-19 edge in the World Series. More tellingly, NL teams have been soundly throttled in interleague play, with an all-time record of 2,299-2,565. American League teams have had the edge in interleague each of the last 12 years, and 15 out of 19 overall. Daily interleague play since the Astros moved to the AL has put this issue in public view all year long for each of the last three seasons.
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Kristin on April 23, 2016, 07:29:02 PM
The objective of professional sports is to win, and the DH rule has given the AL teams a true and lasting advantage in the pursuit of that objective, while improving the fan experience.  In the words of the immortal football man, Al Davis...just win baby! Why wouldn't the "Sr League" give their teams a chance to level the playing field?

No!  The objective of professional sports is to entertain.  Winning is part of that, but not whole thing.  There is few things more entertaining than watching the opponents walk the #8 hitter to load the bases and then have the pitcher get a hit, like Peavy just did, scoring two against the Marlins as I type this.

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In addition, most fans don't go to the ballpark to watch pitchers make fools of themselves.  It is comical to watch the attempts, but I find the idea of a near certain out every time through the lineup uninteresting.  A few rare exceptions (Greinke, Bumgarner, etc) don't change the overall reality of poor results at the plate by NL pitchers. 

National league fans enjoy the subtleties that the pitcher batting brings to the game.  I grew up as a Twins fan.  I started before the DH, rooted for a decade for so with the DH, and have the choose of both in the Bay Area.  I will the National League rules.
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Joe-KansasCity on April 23, 2016, 08:19:40 PM
No!  The objective of professional sports is to entertain.  Winning is part of that, but not whole thing.  There is few things more entertaining than watching the opponents walk the #8 hitter to load the bases and then have the pitcher get a hit, like Peavy just did, scoring two against the Marlins as I type this.

National league fans enjoy the subtleties that the pitcher batting brings to the game.  I grew up as a Twins fan.  I started before the DH, rooted for a decade for so with the DH, and have the choose of both in the Bay Area.  I will the National League rules.

Wrong again buckaroo.  Winning is everything, including the entertainment component. No one finds a chronic loser entertaining...sublties or not.
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Kristin on April 23, 2016, 08:42:18 PM
Wrong again buckaroo.  Winning is everything, including the entertainment component. No one finds a chronic loser entertaining...sublties or not.

You have been brain-washed and can't appreciate the subtleties .  :)  Besides, there are must be lots of fans that love losers.  How else can you explain the Cubs' fans?
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Joe-KansasCity on April 23, 2016, 09:43:19 PM
You have been brain-washed and can't appreciate the subtleties .  :)  Besides, there are must be lots of fans that love losers.  How else can you explain the Cubs' fans?

Sublties are what people who are forced to watch losers use to stay interested in the game..... All the while hoping and praying for a WINNING team.
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Post by: Kristin on April 23, 2016, 10:45:22 PM
Sublties are what people who are forced to watch losers use to stay interested in the game..... Al the while hoping and praying for a WINNING team.

Better to have both.  The Giants' pitchers have 5 RBI's in the last couple of games.

Pitchers batting is very entertaining when they are AL pitchers in an NL park.
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 24, 2016, 03:37:46 AM
You have been brain-washed and can't appreciate the subtleties .  :)  Besides, there are must be lots of fans that love losers.  How else can you explain the Cubs' fans?

remember that old saying:  Show me a good loser and I'll show you a...... loser.

Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Joe-KansasCity on April 24, 2016, 03:38:37 AM
Better to have both.  The Giants' pitchers have 5 RBI's in the last couple of games.

Excellent! The Giants have a very good ball club and I'm am thrilled that you enjoy watching them (I do too).  It would appear as though the very few pitchers that can hit occasionally have found good homes on at least one national league team.  However, the overall batting average of pitchers in the national league belies your enthusiasm for their overall effectiveness...as does the National League's record vs the American League since the beginning of inner league play.

Pitchers batting is very entertaining when they are AL pitchers in an NL park.

I love it when you make my point!!   :)  See, we really are birds of a feather!  The greatest game ever invented can bring us together.

Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Little Joe on April 24, 2016, 04:18:24 AM
You have been brain-washed and can't appreciate the subtleties .  :)  Besides, there are must be lots of fans that love losers. How else can you explain the Cubs' fans?
They are in Chicago.  I can't explain very much at all about what goes on in Chicago.  Perhaps the ruling "machine" in Chicago tells people to cheer the cubs.
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Post by: nddons on April 24, 2016, 06:12:43 AM
remember that old saying:  Show me a good loser and I'll show you a...... loser.
Hey, hey. Now that's hitting below the belt. As a life-long Cubs fan, I'm offended at your micro-aggression. I might just take my ball and go home.
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Post by: Anthony on April 24, 2016, 07:14:50 AM
Hey, hey. Now that's hitting below the belt. As a life-long Cubs fan, I'm offended at your micro-aggression. I might just take my ball and go home.

I believe the Phillies are the losingest team in MLB history.  Yes, they've won a few World Series, but they were bad for years, and are bad again.  Yes, I am a Phillies fan. 
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Post by: Kristin on April 24, 2016, 01:39:21 PM
Excellent! The Giants have a very good ball club and I'm am thrilled that you enjoy watching them (I do too).  It would appear as though the very few pitchers that can hit occasionally have found good homes on at least one national league team.  However, the overall batting average of pitchers in the national league belies your enthusiasm for their overall effectiveness...as does the National League's record vs the American League since the beginning of inner league play.

I love it when you make my point!!   :)  See, we really are birds of a feather!  The greatest game ever invented can bring us together.

Moore and Yost have done amazing things with the Royals.  2014 was a great WS.  Down to the last out!  A rematch would be amazing.

Our TV color commentator, a former MLB pitcher, credits the hitting of our pitchers to the fact that the Giants have two hitting coaches and actually work with the pitchers.  He said back in the 80's that the hitting coaches ignored the pitchers as they were not expected to hit, even in the NL.  Keep in mind, these guys are good athletes.  Maybe we just haven't tried hard enough with the pitchers.

DH or not, it is the greatest game.  I like that you get to know something about the players.  It is fun watching the rookies come up and succeed.  I love the back story.  One that I loved that come out during the 2014 WS was that in 2008, the Royals picked ahead of the Giants and were the only team that they figured might go for the catcher that the Giants had their eye on.  They were immensely relieved that the Royals did not pick Buster Posey.  Instead, they picked Hoz.   Both outstanding players.
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Kristin on April 24, 2016, 01:40:47 PM
remember that old saying:  Show me a good loser and I'll show you a...... loser.

Boys!  Us girls are about more than pure competition.  ;D
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Kristin on April 24, 2016, 01:44:38 PM
They are in Chicago.  I can't explain very much at all about what goes on in Chicago.  Perhaps the ruling "machine" in Chicago tells people to cheer the cubs.

Weird things can happen when the Dems run things.  Living in California has taught me all I need to know about that.
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Kristin on April 24, 2016, 01:45:29 PM
I believe the Phillies are the losingest team in MLB history.  Yes, they've won a few World Series, but they were bad for years, and are bad again.  Yes, I am a Phillies fan.

You have the best mascot.  That has to count for something.
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Anthony on April 24, 2016, 02:05:58 PM
You have the best mascot.  That has to count for something.

That is true!!!  :)
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Post by: Little Joe on April 24, 2016, 02:51:50 PM
You have the best mascot.  That has to count for something.
I kind of like Mrs. Met.
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Post by: Kristin on April 24, 2016, 06:39:55 PM
That is true!!!  :)

Some commentator had some words of praise for some of the Phillies young pitchers.  Maybe there is hope.  They are doing better than my old home time.  Poor Twinkies!
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Post by: Anthony on April 24, 2016, 06:45:01 PM
Some commentator had some words of praise for some of the Phillies young pitchers.  Maybe there is hope.  They are doing better than my old home time.  Poor Twinkies!

They're in a rebuilding phase, but are fun to watch.  They are playing 500 ball right now but it's early. 
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: Kristin on April 24, 2016, 08:59:55 PM
They're in a rebuilding phase, but are fun to watch.  They are playing 500 ball right now but it's early.

Following and rooting for the rookies is fun too.  I enjoy hearing their stories and seeing them succeed.  In 1992, the SF Chronicle took a picture of a glum little kid next to a sign begging the Giants not to move to Tampa.  The kid's parents were season ticket holders and he dreamed of playing shortstop for the Giants when he grew up.  The little kid was Brandon Crawford and he won the NL Gold Glove as SF's shortstop last year.  Maybe it is a girl thing, but I like these parts of the game as much as the winning, though I do like the winning.

I look forward to the team playing in Philly.  When the Phanatic and Hunter Pence are screwing around with each other it is pretty funny.  Our mascot is pretty lame.
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Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 25, 2016, 03:58:51 AM
Following and rooting for the rookies is fun too.  I enjoy hearing their stories and seeing them succeed.  In 1992, the SF Chronicle took a picture of a glum little kid next to a sign begging the Giants not to move to Tampa.  The kid's parents were season ticket holders and he dreamed of playing shortstop for the Giants when he grew up.  The little kid was Brandon Crawford and he won the NL Gold Glove as SF's shortstop last year.  Maybe it is a girl thing, but I like these parts of the game as much as the winning, though I do like the winning.

I look forward to the team playing in Philly.  When the Phanatic and Hunter Pence are screwing around with each other it is pretty funny.  Our mascot is pretty lame.

A MLB team even having a mascot is lame.

Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on April 25, 2016, 08:18:05 AM
Which League do the Palestinians play in?
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 25, 2016, 08:42:26 AM
Which League do the Palestinians play in?

there's a joke hiding somewhere in there....

Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 25, 2016, 09:35:00 AM
The Arab League?   
Title: Re: Where is Palestine on the map?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 25, 2016, 10:06:57 AM
The Arab League?

hmmm, apparently not.