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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Jaybird180 on April 15, 2016, 09:47:50 AM

Title: Why have a military when contractors can do the job at 10,000% the price
Post by: Jaybird180 on April 15, 2016, 09:47:50 AM
Let's just say that I have experience in this area

https://www.facebook.com/Upworthy/videos/1104160999624757/
Title: Re: Why have a military when contractors can do the job at 10,000% the price
Post by: Anthony on April 15, 2016, 11:09:35 AM
You can use contractors at your discretion.  You can hire, and fire at a whim.  In the long run it is less expensive. 
Title: Re: Why have a military when contractors can do the job at 10,000% the price
Post by: Little Joe on April 15, 2016, 11:18:28 AM
Let's just say that I have experience in this area

https://www.facebook.com/Upworthy/videos/1104160999624757/
And this is the government some people want to turn our health care system over to????  >:( :(
Title: Re: Why have a military when contractors can do the job at 10,000% the price
Post by: Jaybird180 on April 15, 2016, 11:55:54 AM
You can use contractors at your discretion.  You can hire, and fire at a whim.  In the long run it is less expensive.
That's what the gov't was sold when they reclassified my MOS and gave the job to contractors. How in the world is it less expensive to pay 200k/yr what you could get for 13k/yr?
Title: Re: Why have a military when contractors can do the job at 10,000% the price
Post by: pilot_dude on April 15, 2016, 01:40:18 PM
That's what the gov't was sold when they reclassified my MOS and gave the job to contractors. How in the world is it less expensive to pay 200k/yr what you could get for 13k/yr?
Government math.
Title: Re: Why have a military when contractors can do the job at 10,000% the price
Post by: Lucifer on April 15, 2016, 02:46:47 PM
War is a big business machine.  Military hardware and military support are exactly what Eisenhower warned the Americans about (Beware the military industrial complex).

Why do you think Washington is in such a panic with this election? These highly lucrative contracts go to those who grease the skids of so many politicians. 
Title: Re: Why have a military when contractors can do the job at 10,000% the price
Post by: abbamovers on April 15, 2016, 09:41:44 PM
You can use contractors at your discretion.  You can hire, and fire at a whim.  In the long run it is less expensive.

History repeating itself all over again.
Didn't Edward Gibbon write in his book , The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, that the Romans paying the outside contractors er the barbarians to do their dirty work led to them learning about Rome from the inside out.
Eventually it allowed the barbarians to sack them.
Granted a simplified synopsis,  but there are parallels to the great Roman Empire and Pax Americana.
Title: Re: Why have a military when contractors can do the job at 10,000% the price
Post by: Anthony on April 16, 2016, 04:39:54 AM
I have no problem with mercenaries.  "Cry Havoc! And let slip the dogs of war!"

Title: Re: Why have a military when contractors can do the job at 10,000% the price
Post by: nddons on April 16, 2016, 06:07:49 AM
War is a big business machine.  Military hardware and military support are exactly what Eisenhower warned the Americans about (Beware the military industrial complex).

Why do you think Washington is in such a panic with this election? These highly lucrative contracts go to those who grease the skids of so many politicians.
Being the proud, admitted greaser instead of the greasee, Trump is perfectly positioned to profit from war himself.
Title: Re: Why have a military when contractors can do the job at 10,000% the price
Post by: Lucifer on April 16, 2016, 06:19:03 AM
Being the proud, admitted greaser instead of the greasee, Trump is perfectly positioned to profit from war himself.

What Trump companies are or were involved in military support operations.  Can you post them here, I would like to see that.
Title: Re: Why have a military when contractors can do the job at 10,000% the price
Post by: nddons on April 16, 2016, 07:19:55 AM
What Trump companies are or were involved in military support operations.  Can you post them here, I would like to see that.
I never said he did, past tense. But he's not just a real estate developer, he's a business man. As his dad told him, and Trump has told us, "anything Donald touches turns to gold."  I'm sure such a "smart guy" can figure out how to profit from it.
Title: Re: Why have a military when contractors can do the job at 10,000% the price
Post by: Dav8or on April 16, 2016, 07:27:01 AM
Government money is just a big free cash cow. People inside the government see it that way and contractors doing business with the government see it that way. Charge what ever you want. Who cares? There's plenty more of that money!

This is why I think it's ridiculous when I hear people say we should privatize this, or that. That somehow there is going to be this magical "competition" that will keep costs in line and private industry can always be more efficient than a government organization. Military contractors are a perfect illustration of what is wrong with government contracting.

The problem is nobody inside, or outside of government is keeping a close eye, or I should say, tight control over the people's money. Money is wasted, corporations and individuals get wealthy, but nothing changes. It's not just the federal government either. These same sort of money squandering schemes go on at state and city levels too.
Title: Re: Why have a military when contractors can do the job at 10,000% the price
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 16, 2016, 07:40:02 AM
Government money is just a big free cash cow. People inside the government see it that way and contractors doing business with the government see it that way. Charge what ever you want. Who cares? There's plenty more of that money!

This is why I think it's ridiculous when I hear people say we should privatize this, or that. That somehow there is going to be this magical "competition" that will keep costs in line and private industry can always be more efficient than a government organization. Military contractors are a perfect illustration of what is wrong with government contracting.

The problem is nobody inside, or outside of government is keeping a close eye, or I should say, tight control over the people's money. Money is wasted, corporations and individuals get wealthy, but nothing changes. It's not just the federal government either. These same sort of money squandering schemes go on at state and city levels too.

I read the words and I admit I'm not sure what your point was.

Are you trying to say that you believe the government is more efficient than private companies?

Title: Re: Why have a military when contractors can do the job at 10,000% the price
Post by: Anthony on April 16, 2016, 08:17:24 AM
The ten richest counties in the U.S. surround Washington D.C.  This has to stop.  Once, places like Detroit were affluent, now it's the government sector.  They have forcibly stolen our money to waste, and get rich. 
Title: Re: Why have a military when contractors can do the job at 10,000% the price
Post by: Lucifer on April 16, 2016, 08:33:46 AM
I never said he did, past tense. But he's not just a real estate developer, he's a business man. As his dad told him, and Trump has told us, "anything Donald touches turns to gold."  I'm sure such a "smart guy" can figure out how to profit from it.

Thanks for admitting your Trump derangement syndrome is acting up again.  No facts, just speculation on what someone may do in the future based upon........nothing.

 I'm sure many of the financiers on Wall Street do have investments in the actual companies profiteering off of the defense department.  And I'm sure those investors are contributing heavily to a Cruz campaign, something you are unable to admit too.
Title: Re: Why have a military when contractors can do the job at 10,000% the price
Post by: nddons on April 16, 2016, 09:29:06 AM
Thanks for admitting your Trump derangement syndrome is acting up again.  No facts, just speculation on what someone may do in the future based upon........nothing.

 I'm sure many of the financiers on Wall Street do have investments in the actual companies profiteering off of the defense department.  And I'm sure those investors are contributing heavily to a Cruz campaign, something you are unable to admit too.
I just find it humorous that you didn't catch the irony of people greasing the skids of politicians when Trump is the proudest greaser of them all.
Title: Re: Why have a military when contractors can do the job at 10,000% the price
Post by: Lucifer on April 16, 2016, 09:33:42 AM
I just find it humorous that you didn't catch the irony of people greasing the skids of politicians when Trump is the proudest greaser of them all.

I find it humorous that your Trump Derangement Syndrome has kicked in so high that you respond to post and threads that have nothing to do with Trump and you start your inane diatribes.

 You must lay in your bed at night in a cold sweat tossing and turning as you can't think about anything else.
Title: Re: Why have a military when contractors can do the job at 10,000% the price
Post by: Dav8or on April 16, 2016, 09:45:51 AM
I read the words and I admit I'm not sure what your point was.

Are you trying to say that you believe the government is more efficient than private companies?

I'm trying to say that at this point, we are screwed either way. Nobody is looking after the money and as long as we continue with no real enforceable oversight, it doesn't matter if the government provides the service, or a contractor provides the service, we are going to get over charged and ripped off.

In the case of the military, IMO, the use of contractors is out of control and a dangerous situation. Contractors could be used for logistics, but using them for combat is really, really stupid IMO.
Title: Re: Why have a military when contractors can do the job at 10,000% the price
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on April 18, 2016, 06:00:34 AM
I have no problem with mercenaries.  "Cry Havoc! And let slip the dogs of war!"

(http://www.discdish.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/The_Dogs_of_War_34611_Medium.jpg)
Title: Re: Why have a military when contractors can do the job at 10,000% the price
Post by: bflynn on April 18, 2016, 08:11:46 AM
And this is the government some people want to turn our health care system over to????  >:( :(

Perhaps only the people who want to crash the healthcare system so they can rebuild it from scratch?
Title: Re: Why have a military when contractors can do the job at 10,000% the price
Post by: Anthony on April 19, 2016, 06:29:43 PM
(http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l440/Pilot641/the-dogs-of-war_zps08de687c.jpg) (http://s330.photobucket.com/user/Pilot641/media/the-dogs-of-war_zps08de687c.jpg.html)

And yes, that's Ed O'Neill, "Al Bundy" in the back with the Colt CAR-15.