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Title: Investments?
Post by: Username on January 01, 2021, 10:53:22 AM
Through their cheating schemes that no one seems to want to or can do anything about, the Xiden administration will have both the house and senate to play with.  I'd rather have a stable country with a conservative government.  I did what I could by voting and encouraging those around me that conservative is best but ultimately that failed. 

Since I can't change that I may as well profit from it. Where should I put my investments so that I have as much income as possible to insulate myself and profit from the chaos that is to come?   I need SOME hope for the new year. 
Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 01, 2021, 11:08:46 AM
tax lawyers - anticipate more and more loopholes to navigate

Avoid anything with fossil fuels, especially anything that would increase source/supply of fossil fuels

Is there a way to profit with more and more people out of work?

You could think really long term and buy up as much ammo and as many guns as possible for the time (and stash them away somewhere secure).

Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: Lucifer on January 01, 2021, 11:18:16 AM
tax lawyers - anticipate more and more loopholes to navigate

Avoid anything with fossil fuels, especially anything that would increase source/supply of fossil fuels

Is there a way to profit with more and more people out of work?

You could think really long term and buy up as much ammo and as many guns as possible for the time (and stash them away somewhere secure).

 Until it becomes a felony to sell such items without the proper licenses and of course the proper registration and the proper tax documents.

 The way to circumvent the second amendment is through the regulatory process and taxation.
Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: Lucifer on January 01, 2021, 11:21:05 AM
Through their cheating schemes that no one seems to want to or can do anything about, the Xiden administration will have both the house and senate to play with.  I'd rather have a stable country with a conservative government.  I did what I could by voting and encouraging those around me that conservative is best but ultimately that failed. 

Since I can't change that I may as well profit from it. Where should I put my investments so that I have as much income as possible to insulate myself and profit from the chaos that is to come?   I need SOME hope for the new year.

 Shipping, amazon, google and facebook are going to be strong, and stronger.  Same for WalMart
Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: Rush on January 01, 2021, 01:40:37 PM
I am kicking around the idea of cryptocurrency. It’s still far too unstable to seriously park your wealth, but I have great fear about the future of the dollar. Do I need to spell out why?

Also, the credit card companies (or the payment gateways) are now “censoring” purchases and refusing to authorize transactions that are legal but that are not in line with acceptable groupthink, such as memberships in certain clubs or forums, certain consumables, and even some VPNs. Because of this vendors are moving to accepting cryptocurrency as an alternative to getting around the block by various other means (like disguising the true nature of the purchase in the transaction description.)

I foresee this trend to grow by leaps and bounds during the upcoming Hell administration. Especially targeted will be firearms and ammo.
Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 01, 2021, 01:46:55 PM
Shipping, amazon, google and facebook are going to be strong, and stronger.  Same for WalMart

good point.

Also, IT infrastructure
Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: Anthony on January 01, 2021, 02:45:43 PM
Governments are either enacting bans, mandates and regulation or will be manipulating markets to demand people use Electric Vehicles.  Why else would every car company be retooling old plants or building new ones SOLELY for EV production when it is currently 3% or less or the market?
Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 01, 2021, 03:22:53 PM
Governments are either enacting bans, mandates and regulation or will be manipulating markets to demand people use Electric Vehicles.  Why else would every car company be retooling old plants or building new ones SOLELY for EV production when it is currently 3% or less or the market?

Chicken and the egg... which comes first, the market or the car?

For the type of driving I do, an electric vehicle could work... except I really really really want 4WD (or AWD).  Not a lot of electric vehicles have that (that I'm aware of).

An electric vehicle would work for a daily commuting car... at least around maskachusetts.
Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: Little Joe on January 02, 2021, 05:27:57 AM
Chicken and the egg... which comes first, the market or the car?

For the type of driving I do, an electric vehicle could work... except I really really really want 4WD (or AWD).  Not a lot of electric vehicles have that (that I'm aware of).

An electric vehicle would work for a daily commuting car... at least around maskachusetts.
Many EVs are 4wd.  They have an independent electric motor driving each wheel.  The problem is they usually have very low ground clearance making them unsuitable for off-road, but just fine for snow and ice.
Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: bflynn on January 02, 2021, 07:42:55 AM
EVs use a low friction tire - they are less reliable for snow. Nothing is reliable on ice.

The reason companies are all developing EVs is because it is a new market and it looks to be larger than smartphones. Gasoline cars will be around for a while because EVs cannot cover all the driving you do. Until an EV can drive everywhere everyone wants to go without recharging, the demand for gasoline will still be there. But one day, yes, gasoline cars will become obsolete because  EVs will surpass them in Performance.

Environmentally, electric cars only really make sense if they are coupled with nuclear power and then only in regions where pollution is really bad - large cities mostly. Solar is nowhere near the energy density needed to charge them unless you have a field of panels and enough sunny days to make it work.
Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 02, 2021, 08:46:55 AM
Open a medical facility for covid patients - and get extra $$$ from the government...

(yeah, I'm being facetious)
Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 02, 2021, 11:28:40 AM
There are plenty of videos on Youtube evaluating BEV (Battery Electric Vehicles) on ice and snow. They seem to do just fine compared to ICEV (Internal Combustion Engine Vehicles.)

Unfortunately governments around the world are usurping the car market by effectively outlawing ICE vehicles. That sucks because I think BEVs would have made it on their own merits.
Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: bflynn on January 03, 2021, 01:36:22 AM
Which governments are “usurping” combustion engines?  Is that the correct word?  To usurp means to take a, unearned position of power, illegally or by force. 

Honest question, I cannot fathom what you mean by this. No government that I’m aware of has outlawed combustion engines.

I own a BEV. I could feel it sliding around on the snow last year.
Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: Lucifer on January 03, 2021, 06:22:04 AM
Although not a country, California has started:

https://www.hklaw.com/en/insights/publications/2020/09/california-governor-bans-internal-combustion-engines
Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: Anthony on January 03, 2021, 06:32:50 AM
Many Cities, States, and Coutnires a banning ICE vehicles and mandating EV's. 

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1104635_which-countries-have-plans-for-all-new-cars-to-be-electric-and-when

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/10/03/mandating-electric-vehicles-without-a-plan-will-be-devastating-californias-economy/

https://money.cnn.com/2017/07/26/autos/countries-that-are-banning-gas-cars-for-electric/index.html#:~:text=Austria%2C%20China%2C%20Denmark%2C%20Germany%2C%20Ireland%2C%20Japan%2C%20the%20Netherlands%2C,--%20is%20also%20the%20largest%20electric%20car%20market.

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India, France, Britain and Norway all want to completely ditch gas and diesel cars in favor of cleaner vehicles.

At least 10 other countries have set sales targets for electric cars.

With electric and hybrid vehicles accounting for just 3% of global auto sales, according to IHS Markit, the goals are best viewed as political aspirations.

Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 03, 2021, 07:17:11 AM
Honest question, I cannot fathom what you mean by this. No government that I’m aware of has outlawed combustion engines.

I own a BEV. I could feel it sliding around on the snow last year.

You don't see the possibility of outlawing combustion engines?

btw - I've owned 4 vehicles with 4WD (or AWD) - two of those being gas/electric hybrids.  How well they did(do) in snow was(is) very dependent on the tires - not the source of power to the wheel.   I was unhappy with one of them - fixed by putting on new tires with more aggressive tread.  Yup, it cost me 1-2 mpg and increased road noise, but the snow performance was *much* better.

 
Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: jb1842 on January 03, 2021, 08:05:08 AM
So the morons in California hate large solar panels, like large square miles of them in one place-ugly and have to destroy nature to install them; nuclear-too dangerous; windmills-kill animals; coal-dirty and hurts the environment. Do these idiots not realize their electric cars won't work without electricity?
Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 03, 2021, 08:16:38 AM
So the morons in California hate large solar panels, like large square miles of them in one place-ugly and have to destroy nature to install them; nuclear-too dangerous; windmills-kill animals; coal-dirty and hurts the environment. Do these idiots not realize their electric cars won't work without electricity?

They'll just do the same thing with electricity that they do with fresh water... import it from other states.

Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: Rush on January 03, 2021, 08:31:49 AM
So the morons in California hate large solar panels, like large square miles of them in one place-ugly and have to destroy nature to install them; nuclear-too dangerous; windmills-kill animals; coal-dirty and hurts the environment. Do these idiots not realize their electric cars won't work without electricity?

Most people have absolutely no idea where electricity comes from. None whatsoever. They’ve never heard of a “power plant”. They don’t know what a generator is, beyond a small squarish thing you can use if a hurricane knocks out your lights. They think a “boiler” is something ships used to have. They think pollution is what “factories” and “chemical plants” discharge. They are aware that solar panels and windmills can generate electricity only because the media shows them pictures of these things and calls them “good”. When politicians talk about getting rid of fossil fuel most of them think oil and gas for cars. They’re vaguely aware of coal because Hillary wants to kill the coal industry but they don’t actually connect the dots in their heads from coal to the outlets on their walls. They do understand that the bill they pay every month from the “evil power company” is connected to the outlets on their walls, and they are aware that the juice enters their homes over wires either above ground or buried, from evil “transmission lines” they fear living near, but that’s where it ends. They have ZERO clue what’s on the other end of those transmission lines. They subconsciously believe the electricity just materializes out of the ether.
Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 03, 2021, 10:00:52 AM
Which governments are “usurping” combustion engines?  Is that the correct word?  To usurp means to take a, unearned position of power, illegally or by force. 

Honest question, I cannot fathom what you mean by this. No government that I’m aware of has outlawed combustion engines.

I own a BEV. I could feel it sliding around on the snow last year.

I did not write “usurping combustion engines” - I specifically said “usurping the car market”. They are using political power and threat of force to change the market for cars. Ergo “usurping” seemed a reasonable use of the word. If it confused you, I’ll rephrase that to say governments are passing emission laws that effectively ban any vehicle with a petroleum fueled combustion engine - internal or external.
Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 03, 2021, 10:25:00 AM
Watch what happens to the CAFE standards after January 20th.
Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: bflynn on January 03, 2021, 11:29:58 AM
You don't see the possibility of outlawing combustion engines?

btw - I've owned 4 vehicles with 4WD (or AWD) - two of those being gas/electric hybrids.  How well they did(do) in snow was(is) very dependent on the tires - not the source of power to the wheel.   I was unhappy with one of them - fixed by putting on new tires with more aggressive tread.  Yup, it cost me 1-2 mpg and increased road noise, but the snow performance was *much* better.

 

Sure, there's a possibility.  There's also a possibility of outlawing EVs.  But that's all hypothetical, not reality.

I don't expect either to happen unless Kalifornia wants to drive another nail into their economic coffin. 

Ok, I'm still not sure what you meant by "usurping" the car market.  Are governments taking control of car companies?  I'm not aware of that.
Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 03, 2021, 11:55:12 AM
Sure, there's a possibility.  There's also a possibility of outlawing EVs.  But that's all hypothetical, not reality.


I have a better chance of marrying the Pope's third daughter (from his 4th marriage) than seeing EVs being outlawed.

I'd be willing to bet that within the next ten years certain cities (in the USA) will attempt to outlaw personal automobiles with internal combustion engines.

And I'm not the one who used the word "usurping" - I probably have never used that word in writing or in speech (except in this post).
Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: Lucifer on January 03, 2021, 11:59:40 AM
Actually no need to outlaw ICE.   Simply regular the fuel and make it cost prohibitive to store, sell or use.
Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: Anthony on January 03, 2021, 12:48:34 PM
So the morons in California hate large solar panels, like large square miles of them in one place-ugly and have to destroy nature to install them; nuclear-too dangerous; windmills-kill animals; coal-dirty and hurts the environment. Do these idiots not realize their electric cars won't work without electricity?

They also hate natural gas which is very clean.   They just hate themselves like most Democrats.
Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: Anthony on January 03, 2021, 12:49:31 PM
Actually no need to outlaw ICE.   Simply regular the fuel and make it cost prohibitive to store, sell or use.

That's what I mean by government manipulating the market.
Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: bflynn on January 03, 2021, 09:52:43 PM
And I'm not the one who used the word "usurping" - I probably have never used that word in writing or in speech (except in this post).

You’re not, that was Jim.

Unfortunately governments around the world are usurping the car market by effectively outlawing ICE vehicles.

I’m still not sure he means by it. To my knowledge, no governments anywhere are outlawing internal combustion engines.  They cannot because EVs are not there yet.
Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 04, 2021, 12:47:51 AM
I’m still not sure he means by it. To my knowledge, no governments anywhere are outlawing internal combustion engines.  They cannot because EVs are not there yet.

This is what I wrote - note the “effectively” qualifier:
“Unfortunately governments around the world are usurping the car market by effectively outlawing ICE vehicles.”
This link provides a more concise summary of the facts than I could manage with a host of news links:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_fossil_fuel_vehicles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_fossil_fuel_vehicles)

I agree with you that EVs aren’t there yet, but as usual governments large and small believe laws and regulations will force it to happen.
Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: Mr Pou on January 04, 2021, 06:21:27 AM
Many Cities, States, and Coutnires a banning ICE vehicles and mandating EV's. 

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1104635_which-countries-have-plans-for-all-new-cars-to-be-electric-and-when

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/10/03/mandating-electric-vehicles-without-a-plan-will-be-devastating-californias-economy/

https://money.cnn.com/2017/07/26/autos/countries-that-are-banning-gas-cars-for-electric/index.html#:~:text=Austria%2C%20China%2C%20Denmark%2C%20Germany%2C%20Ireland%2C%20Japan%2C%20the%20Netherlands%2C,--%20is%20also%20the%20largest%20electric%20car%20market.

Which again harms the Democratic voting base. All of the low income folks who can barely afford an ICE beater won't be able to afford EV. It all really depends on what the government does with gas prices.
Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: Lucifer on January 04, 2021, 06:35:31 AM
Which again harms the Democratic voting base. All of the low income folks who can barely afford an ICE beater won't be able to afford EV. It all really depends on what the government does with gas prices.

Voting bases no longer matter when the outcome has already been predetermined.
Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 04, 2021, 06:40:35 AM
Which again harms the Democratic voting base. All of the low income folks who can barely afford an ICE beater won't be able to afford EV. It all really depends on what the government does with gas prices.
If they get control of the government they can give those away to the low income folks.
Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: Anthony on January 04, 2021, 07:04:07 AM
Sure, there's a possibility.  There's also a possibility of outlawing EVs.  But that's all hypothetical, not reality.

I don't expect either to happen unless Kalifornia wants to drive another nail into their economic coffin. 

Ok, I'm still not sure what you meant by "usurping" the car market.  Are governments taking control of car companies?  I'm not aware of that.

I posted several links earlier where governments, Cities, States, and Countries are mandating EV's or will mandate EV's and make ICE vehicles obsolete.  As others have said governments can also just regulate ICE vehicles out of existence through emission standards that are unattainable.

Why else would EVERY auto manufacturer spend TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS to build EV plants for 3% of the market?  Their elite CEO's and Board members are connected to this Marxist madness also and know what is coming. 
Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: Mr Pou on January 04, 2021, 07:10:05 AM
If they get control of the government they can give those away to the low income folks.

*sigh*
Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: Rush on January 04, 2021, 07:13:02 AM
If they get control of the government they can give those away to the low income folks.

Like they do cell phones.
Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: Lucifer on January 04, 2021, 07:28:47 AM
If they get control of the government they can give those away to the low income folks.

Why?   Go to any 3rd world country and look at the transportation system for the peasants.  Motorized personal transportation is for the political connected and the elites.
Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: Anthony on January 04, 2021, 07:43:51 AM
Why?   Go to any 3rd world country and look at the transportation system for the peasants.  Motorized personal transportation is for the political connected and the elites.

And NO General Aviation for the peasants (working people) either.  Even in developed First World countries.  Too expensive, too regulated.

No legally owned guns either.  At least not available to own and carry for self defense.  That is what the Democrats want here.  Total control.
Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: Username on January 04, 2021, 07:49:51 AM
Which again harms the Democratic voting base. All of the low income folks who can barely afford an ICE beater won't be able to afford EV. It all really depends on what the government does with gas prices.
It just pulls more and more low income people into cities where there will be government mandated no-drive zones and everything will be public transportation.  They will be stuck there with no means for escape.  Totally dependent on what the government hands to them.  And they will like it because it's all "free".  Driving will be only for the chosen elite who can afford to live outside of the government run cesspools.  And yes, CHOSEN elite.  Everyone who does not conform will be reeducated and/or eliminated.
Title: Re: Investments?
Post by: bflynn on January 04, 2021, 11:23:27 AM
It just pulls more and more low income people into cities where there will be government mandated no-drive zones and everything will be public transportation.  They will be stuck there with no means for escape.  Totally dependent on what the government hands to them.  And they will like it because it's all "free".  Driving will be only for the chosen elite who can afford to live outside of the government run cesspools.  And yes, CHOSEN elite.  Everyone who does not conform will be reeducated and/or eliminated.

That sounds like a really bad script for an eye rolling dystopian movie.

Trapped with no means of escape?  You mean like in NYC where they can't even move their stuff out of the city?  Oh wait, they can.

There will never be an area with zero roads because work vehicles need access.  When your sewer gets stopped up, the plumber's truck will get in.  So will delivery trucks, other repairmen and presumably moving trucks. 

Nobody likes "free" stuff when it comes with shared misery.