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Title: ADS-B OUT - Do you, did you, will you?
Post by: invflatspin on June 03, 2018, 06:52:20 PM
I am NEVER going to install a prison ankle monitor. Now, do not get confused, I'm talking only, only about ADS-B OUT.

There is nothing in a class B, or C that is important enough to be tracked like Valjean.
Title: Re: ADS-B OUT - Do you, did you, will you?
Post by: Steingar on June 04, 2018, 07:36:49 AM
Lots of controlled airspace hereabouts, including the Charlie I pass through to take off.  I now have it.  I did, however, shut off the ability of the FAA to record my movements and give those recordings to third parties.
Title: Re: ADS-B OUT - Do you, did you, will you?
Post by: invflatspin on June 04, 2018, 09:19:56 AM
There are at least 4,000 base stations, that have nothing to do with the FAA that track and report ADS-B out N number, location, altitude, etc. Unless you physically power the xmitter off, you are broadcasting your mode S to the world. If one is using the 978UAT band, and one is using the 'blocking' feature when on 1200, one should know that the 'blocking' is not really blocking anything. It is still xmitting the same info as on 1090Mhz but the registration, and type of aircraft are not retransmitted(data stripping) from the various ground stations(ADS-R) for use by 1090 and 978 bands. However, the identification is still going out the xmitter.
Title: Re: ADS-B OUT - Do you, did you, will you?
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on June 04, 2018, 11:44:38 AM
... I did, however, shut off the ability of the FAA to record my movements...

So you believe...
Title: Re: ADS-B OUT - Do you, did you, will you?
Post by: Lucifer on June 04, 2018, 12:09:19 PM
I can say definitively that I will not be installing any ADS type equipment..........ever!
Title: Re: ADS-B OUT - Do you, did you, will you?
Post by: LevelWing on June 04, 2018, 12:37:36 PM
I'll be installing it. Most places I fly are controlled airspace so it'll be required.
Title: Re: ADS-B OUT - Do you, did you, will you?
Post by: Steingar on July 17, 2018, 11:55:00 AM
I can say definitively that I will not be installing any ADS type equipment..........ever!

You won't fly in controlled airspace, which is fine if you live in the sticks and fly a puddle jumper.  Live in the East, or really travel with an airplane and you're either going to have it or disallow a LOT of destinations, not to mention have detour around a lot of airspace.
Title: Re: ADS-B OUT - Do you, did you, will you?
Post by: Lucifer on July 17, 2018, 12:11:29 PM
You won't fly in controlled airspace, which is fine if you live in the sticks and fly a puddle jumper.  Live in the East, or really travel with an airplane and you're either going to have it or disallow a LOT of destinations, not to mention have detour around a lot of airspace.

 No, the airlines I fly on have all the latest and greatest equipment on their planes, and they have professional and well trained crews that can use it.   ;D
Title: Re: ADS-B OUT - Do you, did you, will you?
Post by: Little Joe on July 17, 2018, 12:14:29 PM
I have it.  I like it.  I recommend it.

Next time I want to run some guns or drugs, or evade customs or ICE, I will turn it off.
Title: Re: ADS-B OUT - Do you, did you, will you?
Post by: Steingar on July 17, 2018, 12:55:23 PM
No, the airlines I fly on have all the latest and greatest equipment on their planes, and they have professional and well trained crews that can use it.   ;D

If you like flying in a tube with all the other cattle, well enjoy.  You can also enjoy the Troglodite Services Association searching you up the six and/or photographing you with their nude-o-scope.  You can enjoy all the plus sized people and screaming babies sitting next to you.  You can enjoy the congestion and poor customer services that characterizes most of our airports.  You can enjoy having your life in the hands of folks so young they still have spots.

In the meantime I'll be flying my own airplane wherever I want to go.  I'll go on my own schedule where I want.  Because I'm an Airman.  Let the bastards watch.
Title: Re: ADS-B OUT - Do you, did you, will you?
Post by: Little Joe on July 17, 2018, 12:58:51 PM
If you like flying in a tube with all the other cattle, well enjoy.  You can also enjoy the Troglodite Services Administration searching you up the six and/or photographing you with their nude-o-scope.  You can enjoy all the plus sized people and screaming babies sitting next to you.  You can enjoy the congestion and poor customer services that characterizes most of our airports.  You can enjoy having your life in the hands of folks so young they still have spots.

In the meantime I'll be flying my own airplane wherever I want to go.  I'll go on my own schedule where I want.  Because I'm an Airman.  Let the bastards watch.
Once in a while, even a blind squirrel finds a nut.
Once in a while, I agree with Steingar.  This is that time.
Title: Re: ADS-B OUT - Do you, did you, will you?
Post by: Lucifer on July 17, 2018, 12:58:58 PM
If you like flying in a tube with all the other cattle, well enjoy.  You can also enjoy the Troglodite Services Administration searching you up the six and/or photographing you with their nude-o-scope.  You can enjoy all the plus sized people and screaming babies sitting next to you.  You can enjoy the congestion and poor customer services that characterizes most of our airports.  You can enjoy having your life in the hands of folks so young they still have spots.

In the meantime I'll be flying my own airplane wherever I want to go.  I'll go on my own schedule where I want.  Because I'm an Airman.  Let the bastards watch.

 Let me watch you fly that little spam can to Asia, Europe, Africa, SA or the ME.
Title: Re: ADS-B OUT - Do you, did you, will you?
Post by: Lucifer on July 17, 2018, 12:59:47 PM
Once in a while, even a blind squirrel finds a nut.
Once in a while, I agree with Steingar.  This is that time.

 Except, as usual, he's barking through his ass.
Title: Re: ADS-B OUT - Do you, did you, will you?
Post by: Steingar on July 17, 2018, 01:06:11 PM
Let me watch you fly that little spam can to Asia, Europe, Africa, SA or the ME.
My guess is the only airplane you've flown yourself is made out of paper.  Lots of guys have flown aircraft like mine all over the world. The deal is a flight like that in a GA aircraft isn't just a trip.  Its an adventure.
Title: Re: ADS-B OUT - Do you, did you, will you?
Post by: Little Joe on July 17, 2018, 01:11:47 PM
Let me watch you fly that little spam can to Asia, Europe, Africa, SA or the ME.
For those trips, I will suffer through commercial flights.  And I do mean suffer.
For all others, there is a Bonanza.

I probably have less room in the Bonanza, although that is debatable however, I never have to sit next to anyone I don't want to.  It is hotter, there is no bathroom and I don't get to take a nap and I can't have a drink (alcoholic kind) in the Bonanza.  But all in all, It is much more fun and satisfying.
Title: Re: ADS-B OUT - Do you, did you, will you?
Post by: Lucifer on July 17, 2018, 01:19:55 PM
My guess is the only airplane you've flown yourself is made out of paper.  Lots of guys have flown aircraft like mine all over the world. The deal is a flight like that in a GA aircraft isn't just a trip.  Its an adventure.

 See perfesser, it's like this.  I fly for business, and when my clients need me in Beijing or Frankfurt, or where ever, I need to be there prepared to do business.  This is how capitalism works.  I know that's a foreign concept for you to grasp.

 Next time I'm in one of the countries you've only ever read about look at pictures of, I'll look around and see if there are any N registered 50 year old Mooneys on the tarmac being flown in by "adventurers"
Title: Re: ADS-B OUT - Do you, did you, will you?
Post by: invflatspin on July 17, 2018, 02:19:19 PM
I believe, but am open to being corrected that if an ADS-B xmitter is installed and certified in an aircraft, it must be on, and transmitting any time the airman intends to commit aviation. Also, the airman/owner/operator is not allowed to remove the device, and it must be removed and installed by a cert sales/repair station.

This is true of any/all mode A/C TXP installations. Not that I'm going to go around busting anyone, but having ADS-B installed, and not turning it on, or only using receive is almost surely a violation.

As for operating inside class B/C/TRSA, there is no major hub that I want to get into bad enough that I will xmit all the time, every time I fly. I've flown to PHX metro without a TXP and landed outside the veil and just grab a uber or rental. The rates are usually cheaper for rentals at the remote places anyway, also less tax.

But - that's me, and my problems with authority.
Title: Re: ADS-B OUT - Do you, did you, will you?
Post by: Little Joe on July 17, 2018, 02:53:37 PM
I believe, but am open to being corrected that if an ADS-B xmitter is installed and certified in an aircraft, it must be on, and transmitting any time the airman intends to commit aviation. Also, the airman/owner/operator is not allowed to remove the device, and it must be removed and installed by a cert sales/repair station.

This is true of any/all mode A/C TXP installations. Not that I'm going to go around busting anyone, but having ADS-B installed, and not turning it on, or only using receive is almost surely a violation.

As for operating inside class B/C/TRSA, there is no major hub that I want to get into bad enough that I will xmit all the time, every time I fly. I've flown to PHX metro without a TXP and landed outside the veil and just grab a uber or rental. The rates are usually cheaper for rentals at the remote places anyway, also less tax.

But - that's me, and my problems with authority.
If I'm running guns or drugs, I'm not worried about the FAA busting me for ignoring some transponder reg.
Title: Re: ADS-B OUT - Do you, did you, will you?
Post by: invflatspin on July 17, 2018, 03:07:00 PM
If I'm running guns or drugs, I'm not worried about the FAA busting me for ignoring some transponder reg.

Rather, lets be a little 'real world' for someone like me who values their privacy when moving about the NAS. I take off from my little grass strip, no beacon, no nothing except 'flivver 5 charlie gulf taking off runway 33, at hooterville eastbound'. I arrive at the limit of ATL mode C veil and 'click!' all of a sudden I'm xmitting on ADS-B, I call appr, get entry, land, do my thing. Then I come back, hop in, turn on the xmitter, get my clearance, and as soon as I leave ATL mode C 'click!' I go dark again.

I'm pretty sure, eventually, and not too distant future, ATC is going to take note that their previously inside the veil well-defined, target with strip has just gone to a primary reflection on the next sweep, and the owner/operator of said flivver is going to get a nasty-gram in the US Mail. Pretty darn sure.