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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 07, 2019, 07:11:13 PM
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And you will, too. The Democratic Socialists are convening! But they can’t even get started until all the triggers are removed. ;D
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UPLQNUVmq3o#
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I heard that on the radio and seriously thought it was a parody.
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I heard that on the radio and seriously thought it was a parody.
That’s funny, she her. Lol.
WTF is the “he him” crap? Dear God, we are swirling the toilet as a society.
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That’s funny, she her. Lol.
WTF is the “he him” crap? Dear God, we are swirling the toilet as a society.
A sis-genedered male.
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Consider the guy that has trouble focusing because of "noise"... imagine him trying to fly at an uncontrolled field in the Northeast or any busy Class D airport. He'd constantly be on the radio telling everyone to be quiet because he can't concentrate...<shudder>
Or consider how hard it would be for him to work in a cubicle environment (where you get to hear the phone conversations of your 50 closest co-workers)
Or imagine him on a gun range...
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Consider the guy that has trouble focusing because of "noise"... imagine him trying to fly at an uncontrolled field in the Northeast or any busy Class D airport. He'd constantly be on the radio telling everyone to be quiet because he can't concentrate...<shudder>
People like that are usually in therapy and on disqualifying meds anyway. Short of lying on the MedXPress, there's no way they'd get even a first medical.
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Consider the guy that has trouble focusing because of "noise"... imagine him trying to fly at an uncontrolled field in the Northeast or any busy Class D airport. He'd constantly be on the radio telling everyone to be quiet because he can't concentrate...<shudder>
Or consider how hard it would be for him to work in a cubicle environment (where you get to hear the phone conversations of your 50 closest co-workers)
Or imagine him on a gun range...
Or imagine him trying to function in real life situations.......you know, everyday living. :o
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I heard that on the radio and seriously thought it was a parody.
Do you seriously think it isn't?
(Of course, there really are people like the ones in the skit, but a room full of them, and all Democratic Socialists? I don't think so.)
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Do you seriously think it isn't?
(Of course, there really are people like the ones in the skit, but a room full of them, and all Democratic Socialists? I don't think so.)
So can you post for us where this is just a "skit"?
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So can you post for us where this is just a "skit"?
Just my interpretation.
Can you post for us where it was real?
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Do you seriously think it isn't?
(Of course, there really are people like the ones in the skit, but a room full of them, and all Democratic Socialists? I don't think so.)
well, if you google "democratic socialist convention" as I just did, there are a number of hits, including WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/democratic-socialists-sound-like-democrats-11565214408)
But, I suppose it's just that everyone has been taken in by an elaborate hoax.
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Just my interpretation.
Can you post for us where it was real?
Well, my “interpretation” is that it isn’t a skit.
I just watched what was posted here. YOU made the allegation it wasn’t real, with nothing to back up your assertion.
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Well, my “interpretation” is that it isn’t a skit.
I just watched what was posted here. YOU made the allegation it wasn’t real, with nothing to back up your assertion.
I take it back. I just found a WSJ "opinion piece" that pretty well confirms some of the events in the video.
I guess file this one under Truth Is Stranger Than Fiction, or maybe Some Things You Just Can't Make Up.
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So is it a prerequisite for Democrat Socialist Men to be Gay?
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So is it a prerequisite for Democrat Socialist Men to be Gay?
No, but they do have to be very, very unmanly.
Yesterday I passed a couple of guys working with machinery next to their trucks. I really really wanted to stop and say, “I love seeing men, machines, and trucks ... it restores my faith in America.”
But ... didn’t.
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No, but they do have to be very, very unmanly.
Yesterday I passed a couple of guys working with machinery next to their trucks. I really really wanted to stop and say, “I love seeing men, machines, and trucks ... it restores my faith in America.”
But ... didn’t.
Toxic Masculinity. I get it. Yes, the popular, societal view is now that masculinity is bad, and wrong. But, I guess I am now "Mansplaining" to you. :)
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No, but they do have to be very, very unmanly.
Yesterday I passed a couple of guys working with machinery next to their trucks. I really really wanted to stop and say, “I love seeing men, machines, and trucks ... it restores my faith in America.”
But ... didn’t.
I know right? I love guys, men, males; their strength, their abilities, their attitudes, their confidence, I love masculinity so much I even love it in women (butch lesbians) sort of... I'm not really gay, but I still love it in them. It's the masculine side of the universal sexual dimorphism I love and that is straight up evolutionary biology that I feel that way.
I tried to change the showerhead myself but could not screw it off with my little pink needle nose pliers. My husband came along and laughed at me. He said, "I'll go get some man tools." And with those and his greater arm muscle mass he popped that thing off in one second.
I love that they are bigger and stronger than me. I love that they are protective and aggressive and oriented to objects rather than feelings. What the hell would this world be without men! We would have no electricity, no cars, no airplanes, we never would have gone to the moon, hell, we'd have been eaten up by saber toothed tigers thousands of years ago.
None of this is meant to say I dislike femininity. I can expound on the virtues of the feminine also and will certainly defend it in myself. Nor does it mean I think women cannot or should not pursue traditional male activities. Nothing wrong with a woman working on a car; what is wrong is when they try to make men feel wrong for being manly or try to tell women they should work on cars. It is SO ironic that the feminists who hate masculinity so much, also hate femininity at least as much. What they really hate is mother nature's reproductive protocol, and that is all this male-female polarity is. This is at root the worst feature of leftist feminist culture: It is anti-nature.
In the 1970s on the fringes of the hippy culture I learned a lot about eastern religions, the Yin and Yang and the dance between the dark and light and how the whole universe consists of opposites in constant interaction, battle, attraction, what have you. Heck, not just eastern religions, ALL religions, Christian mystics, Muslim mystics (not the sick fundamentalists you understand). Good-Evil, Heaven-Creation, you can't have one without the other. Male-Female reflects the core principles of physical and spiritual reality (positive and negative charges, magnetic poles). The leftists and liberals of the day were so all about that. What the fuck happened?? The feminist and leftist monsters of today would have us all homogenized and equalized with no differentiation whatsoever. It goes against the core of every single major religious philosophy and every single scientific principle that holds the universe together.
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We are products of our genetics, and upbringing. My Dad was a typical male chauvinist of his era. Yes, I adopted some of those traits, but growing up in a different era, at least I REALIZE it, and then can hopefully see the pitfalls of that sometimes extreme thought. I've also worked with women, and have seen them perform well, and do everything a man could do, sometimes better, in certain jobs.
That being said, I dislike the current demonization of Men, and masculinity. It is a backlash, and over reaction to the perceived wrongs of male domination of society, and like with racism, and other "isms", punishment and retribution of men that had nothing to do with the past.
I was very, very young, but I somewhat remember the "Mad Men" era. All the doctors were men, as were almost everyone in corporate America, except "secretaries", the Clergy, all professions, lawyers, accountants, government workers, tradesmen, etc. Only teaching and nursing had women in large numbers. The rest were "housewives". Fewer women drove cars. I remember my Dad commenting in the 70's about all the women "driving these days".
Women have made great strides in society, and I think that's a good thing, but the pendulum has swung too far in the attitudes that are being promoted. Women can be great, successful, and "strong", but it shouldn't be at the expense of Men, and devaluing Men, and Maleness is hurting us.
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We are products of our genetics, and upbringing. My Dad was a typical male chauvinist of his era. Yes, I adopted some of those traits, but growing up in a different era, at least I REALIZE it, and then can hopefully see the pitfalls of that sometimes extreme thought. I've also worked with women, and have seen them perform well, and do everything a man could do, sometimes better, in certain jobs.
That being said, I dislike the current demonization of Men, and masculinity. It is a backlash, and over reaction to the perceived wrongs of male domination of society, and like with racism, and other "isms", punishment and retribution of men that had nothing to do with the past.
I was very, very young, but I somewhat remember the "Mad Men" era. All the doctors were men, as were almost everyone in corporate America, except "secretaries", the Clergy, all professions, lawyers, accountants, government workers, tradesmen, etc. Only teaching and nursing had women in large numbers. The rest were "housewives". Fewer women drove cars. I remember my Dad commenting in the 70's about all the women "driving these days".
Women have made great strides in society, and I think that's a good thing, but the pendulum has swung too far in the attitudes that are being promoted. Women can be great, successful, and "strong", but it shouldn't be at the expense of Men, and devaluing Men, and Maleness is hurting us.
The whole misunderstanding comes from biology. Men NEVER were a patriarchy, that is a huge myth. Women have always been in lower career positions because of childbirth, period end of story. Without reliable birth control (and infant formula) women’s time was filled with serial pregnancy and breastfeeding.
All of the progress women have made in the way of career equality is due to the pill, not feminism. Even so women cannot equal men in job productivity and this is why the wage and salary gap. It has nothing to do with sex discrimination.
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We are products of our genetics, and upbringing. My Dad was a typical male chauvinist of his era. Yes, I adopted some of those traits, but growing up in a different era, at least I REALIZE it, and then can hopefully see the pitfalls of that sometimes extreme thought. I've also worked with women, and have seen them perform well, and do everything a man could do, sometimes better, in certain jobs.
That being said, I dislike the current demonization of Men, and masculinity. It is a backlash, and over reaction to the perceived wrongs of male domination of society, and like with racism, and other "isms", punishment and retribution of men that had nothing to do with the past.
I was very, very young, but I somewhat remember the "Mad Men" era. All the doctors were men, as were almost everyone in corporate America, except "secretaries", the Clergy, all professions, lawyers, accountants, government workers, tradesmen, etc. Only teaching and nursing had women in large numbers. The rest were "housewives". Fewer women drove cars. I remember my Dad commenting in the 70's about all the women "driving these days".
Women have made great strides in society, and I think that's a good thing, but the pendulum has swung too far in the attitudes that are being promoted. Women can be great, successful, and "strong", but it shouldn't be at the expense of Men, and devaluing Men, and Maleness is hurting us.
I agree with all of this. I also remember growing up in those days, my Dad was a male chauvinist - I loved the heck out of him but he was definitely a chauvinist - and my Mom and I were targets of it (she more than I, I was after all just a kid). It's a good thing IMO that male chauvinism is no longer considered a good thing, even among men, but the pendulum shouldn't swing so far that males are ashamed of being masculine. I'm not sure we're quite there yet, but the demonization of masculinity in some quarters is a scary trend.
I also agree with Rush that masculinity in women can be very attractive. Butch-fem lesbian couples are something of a stereotype, but there are also butch-butch couples, butch-soft butch couples, etc. I'm all for celebrating the diversity of humans and not shaming any group for proudly being what they are... and that includes masculine men.
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Women have made great strides in society, and I think that's a good thing, but the pendulum has swung too far in the attitudes that are being promoted. Women can be great, successful, and "strong", but it shouldn't be at the expense of Men, and devaluing Men, and Maleness is hurting us.
Recently I watched all of the Perry Mason episodes. It was interesting to see how men and women were portrayed.
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Recently I watched all of the Perry Mason episodes. It was interesting to see how men and women were portrayed.
It is amazing the differences in the past and today. I cut the cable, but get tv programming through an antenna, and whatever else I want I stream. However, there are a few tv channels I get that exclusively show old tv shows from the 50's, 60's, 70's, and 80's. It is incredible the difference in attitudes, and what was said then versus now.
I watched an old Tonight Show with Johnny Carson, from 1982 when a young Robin Williams was on, when "The World According to Garp" was just out. Carson mentioned San Francisco for some reason, and Williams went on a five minute, historical rant on GAYS. All the stereotypes came out, and it was hilarious. You can never do that today. Don Rickles? No way.
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I agree with all of this. I also remember growing up in those days, my Dad was a male chauvinist - I loved the heck out of him but he was definitely a chauvinist - and my Mom and I were targets of it (she more than I, I was after all just a kid). It's a good thing IMO that male chauvinism is no longer considered a good thing, even among men, but the pendulum shouldn't swing so far that males are ashamed of being masculine. I'm not sure we're quite there yet, but the demonization of masculinity in some quarters is a scary trend.
I also agree with Rush that masculinity in women can be very attractive. Butch-fem lesbian couples are something of a stereotype, but there are also butch-butch couples, butch-soft butch couples, etc. I'm all for celebrating the diversity of humans and not shaming any group for proudly being what they are... and that includes masculine men.
Absolutely the pendulum periodically goes too far. There certainly are cultures where men completely oppress women. The biggest example today is fundamental Islam. But I’m not sure what looked like chauvinism a couple of generations ago really was, or just the acknowledgement of gender roles everyone was locked into. It may have been assumed women didn’t have the brains to be doctors for example, because they typically couldn’t (because of childbearing) put the time into such a career (except the rare wealthy). But men were locked into being the provider. Whether they liked it or not they had to work to support the family and could not escape that role any more than women could escape being housewives. The attitudes and commentary that sounds so sexist by today’s standards was actually back then just a reflection of the reality of the roles both genders were trapped in. Largely anyway maybe, not entirely, I’m sure there was actual condescension. But I always thought it went in both directions. If men dissed women for being dumb, women equally dissed men for being helpless at common household tasks or for their habits and behaviors.
Of course I can’t speak for what your father said. My father thought women were gossipy and annoying. I guess that’s chauvinism but I think the same about women. They ARE actually dammit. :) Probably me too. My mother didn’t hold back her opinion of men either: “No common sense,” she’d say. Maybe we all have baggage from childhood.
Your last sentence is absolutely well put.
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Even so women cannot equal men in job productivity and this is why the wage and salary gap.
Totally disagree with this. In physical work this is true, but absolutely not true in the non-physical world.
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Totally disagree with this. In physical work this is true, but absolutely not true in the non-physical world.
It is absolutely true, on the whole. Not moment for moment. A woman right out of college starting as a doctor or a lawyer or an engineer is just as good as a man all else equal. But over time women are much more likely than men to quit full time work, or drastically reduce hours, or go part time, or "sequence" (work full time, take years off, then go back). Men are much more likely to remain stable and consistent in their work life.
The big sexist "wage gap" claim is based on ignoring seniority and experience and such nuances as loyalty. Women are woefully inferior to men in these areas but now demand "equal pay for equal work" meaning, pay me the same salary you're paying my coworker even though he's been there for 10 years with no sick days and I've a total of 4 years experience because I took off to make babies, but because we are both the same job title I should get the same salary. Bullshit. If women were really being paid LESS for the same VALUE then almost all companies would hire only women.
You can argue that isn't fair. Men should take the career hit to raise the kids or take care of elderly parents. You can argue that all day but it won't change economic reality. Until men relocate to follow their wives job, like women do, until men take months off to nurse a baby, until men start driving over to demented mom's house every day, or we get robots to do all this, women CANNOT equal men in job productivity.
Women are paid no more or less than what they are worth and so are men.
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If women were really being paid LESS for the same VALUE then almost all companies would hire only women.
hmmm, that's a very interesting point.
You can argue that isn't fair. Men should take the career hit to raise the kids or take care of elderly parents. You can argue that all day but it won't change economic reality. Until men relocate to follow their wives job, like women do, until men take months off to nurse a baby, until men start driving over to demented mom's house every day, or we get robots to do all this, women CANNOT equal men in job productivity.
um, other than the whole having a baby thing, men do take care of elderly parents, men do relocate to follow their wives' job (wife's?).
perhaps it's a chicken-and-egg thing, the husband is often earning more than the wife and/or the wife has a more mobile job, so there is the bias toward following the husband's job.
btw - when I was in management I got to see pay rates and the whole pay process. I can say where I worked, the engineers were pretty much paid the same based on value. Gender had nothing to do with pay scales. I'm sure HR was monitoring such things, but didn't have to do anything about it.
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btw - when I was in management I got to see pay rates and the whole pay process. I can say where I worked, the engineers were pretty much paid the same based on value. Gender had nothing to do with pay scales. I'm sure HR was monitoring such things, but didn't have to do anything about it.
I've been in management and senior management in three different very large companies, so I hired a lot, and have had a lot of employees. This has been my experience as well. We have pay scales, and ranges for different positions, and the women were always paid the same as men based on skills, experience, etc. I never see disparity between male and female pay.
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um, other than the whole having a baby thing, men do take care of elderly parents, men do relocate to follow their wives' job (wife's?).
I did exactly that. My wife graduated a year before I did and we picked the job that was her best fit while I finished. After that every time she relocated for a promotion I followed and restarted. She continues to make much more than I do, and I'm OK with that.
It supports my flying habit :)
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It is absolutely true, on the whole. Not moment for moment. A woman right out of college starting as a doctor or a lawyer or an engineer is just as good as a man all else equal. But over time women are much more likely than men to quit full time work, or drastically reduce hours, or go part time, or "sequence" (work full time, take years off, then go back). Men are much more likely to remain stable and consistent in their work life.
The big sexist "wage gap" claim is based on ignoring seniority and experience and such nuances as loyalty. Women are woefully inferior to men in these areas but now demand "equal pay for equal work" meaning, pay me the same salary you're paying my coworker even though he's been there for 10 years with no sick days and I've a total of 4 years experience because I took off to make babies, but because we are both the same job title I should get the same salary. Bullshit. If women were really being paid LESS for the same VALUE then almost all companies would hire only women.
You can argue that isn't fair. Men should take the career hit to raise the kids or take care of elderly parents. You can argue that all day but it won't change economic reality. Until men relocate to follow their wives job, like women do, until men take months off to nurse a baby, until men start driving over to demented mom's house every day, or we get robots to do all this, women CANNOT equal men in job productivity.
Women are paid no more or less than what they are worth and so are men.
Thank you Rush. Those are my observations exactly, after 36 years in business. My wife agrees as well.
The troubling part is merit, seniority and skill. None of those factors come into play when politicians scream for “equal pay for equal work.” What they must mean is equal pay for the same job title, which is ridiculous, because for any given title, merit, seniority and skill vary widely.
It’s almost like they want every job to be priced like a union job - pay grade x gives you pay z, regardless of how much effort you put forth. It’s a race to the bottom, not the top.
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I can say that I am glad my wife does not make what her male equivalents make. She makes a shit-ton more. She works harder and smarter.
I have relocated 4 times following her education and career. The last time was when she finished her residency/fellowship. Her income passed mine. I semi-retired.
I take care of the kids, the house, the accounting at her office, and everything else that needs to be taken care of.
I say this as she is vacuuming the house. She has a little ADD. She cleans better than me.
She also supports my flying habit with money and time away from the house.
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hmmm, that's a very interesting point.
um, other than the whole having a baby thing, men do take care of elderly parents, men do relocate to follow their wives' job (wife's?).
perhaps it's a chicken-and-egg thing, the husband is often earning more than the wife and/or the wife has a more mobile job, so there is the bias toward following the husband's job.
btw - when I was in management I got to see pay rates and the whole pay process. I can say where I worked, the engineers were pretty much paid the same based on value. Gender had nothing to do with pay scales. I'm sure HR was monitoring such things, but didn't have to do anything about it.
Yep, I worked as an engineer. Salaries were identical for the same level of experience. There was zero gender discrimination and that was back in the 1980s.
the husband is often earning more than the wife and/or the wife has a more mobile job, so there is the bias toward following the husband's job.
THIS. Women typically marry up, a man who is a bit higher on the socio-economic scale. When the man earns more, then the couple tends to stick with his job. Women deliberately will choose careers that are mobile for just this reason, such as nursing. And because he earns more, and often will have the insurance benefits. I see some of you are the reverse, but it is usually the man with the higher income.
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Thank you Rush. Those are my observations exactly, after 36 years in business. My wife agrees as well.
The troubling part is merit, seniority and skill. None of those factors come into play when politicians scream for “equal pay for equal work.” What they must mean is equal pay for the same job title, which is ridiculous, because for any given title, merit, seniority and skill vary widely.
THIS ^^^
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So is it a prerequisite for Democrat Socialist Men to be Gay?
Walked into a bar and grill near a job was working on and just about laughed myself into a coma.
Two girly men were arguing over which eye shadow was ‘more masculine.’ The little faggot was certain that butch was the next big thing, and his low IQ buddy was just as sure that his feet would be delish in a pair of black patent leather pumps.
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Walked into a bar and grill near a job was working on and just about laughed myself into a coma.
Two girly men were arguing over which eye shadow was ‘more masculine.’ The little faggot was certain that butch was the next big thing, and his low IQ buddy was just as sure that his feet would be delish in a pair of black patent leather pumps.
If men are no longer manly, the entire civilization will collapse and the human race will become extinct. Same goes for women being feminine. We evolved to have sexual dimorphism. This - men being faggy and women being boss girls - is going against nature directly, it is incompatible with continuation of the species, unless we quick adapt ourselves into becoming some kind of self replicating freak show.
It’s okay to have a historically fixed percent of humans violate gender norms, ie. no more than ten percent throughout recorded history have been gay or trans cross culturally and there is even a plausible explanation for this being evolutionarily beneficial to the species (the “helpful uncle” theory).
But that’s not what we have today. We have a massively greater percent of both sexes now blurring the lines between masculinity and femininity. Male fashions including dresses and high heels. Girls and women suddenly thinking they’re actually trans men in HUGE unprecedented numbers. Women summarily rejecting their most important role: bearing and nurturing children and keeping a home. Men dropping out of their role in equal numbers, rejecting work in any traditional sense, choosing instead to stay in moms basement playing video games.
Both sexes giving up on each other as if there is no longer a polar attraction happening, which, how could there be? What self respecting woman finds a male in make up and high heels sexy? It’s downright repulsive. And what man finds an obese, mouthy, tatted up female sporting a nose ring sexually appealing? I can’t speak for men but the 0.5% lesbian in me says hell no!
We are doomed.
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Member of our Men's Bible study said last night he heard someone offer the the whole trans movement is a function of the depopulation crowd. Keeps people from procreating.
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Member of our Men's Bible study said last night he heard someone offer the the whole trans movement is a function of the depopulation crowd. Keeps people from procreating.
There are plenty of "normal" people that shouldn't be reproducing as it is. And the world is overpopulated as it is, IMO. Maybe the lowering birth rates is just nature trying to re-establish a natural balance?
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There are plenty of "normal" people that shouldn't be reproducing as it is. And the world is overpopulated as it is, IMO. Maybe the lowering birth rates is just nature trying to re-establish a natural balance?
I don't want to argue that point, except to say that "normal" is a sort of ambiguous term.
But the statement itself reminds me of "Idiocracy". If you are not familiar with it, look it up. I think you might enjoy the movie.
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There are plenty of "normal" people that shouldn't be reproducing as it is. And the world is overpopulated as it is, IMO. Maybe the lowering birth rates is just nature trying to re-establish a natural balance?
Don't look at the velocity, look at the acceleration, or in this case, deceleration. Yes we are a bit overpopulated and yes the population is growing. But at an alarmingly decreasing RATE. And you have to look at who is growing and who is shrinking. The first world is shrinking; the shitholes are growing. Turns out when countries become developed, the birth rates plummet. Russia, China, Japan, South Korea, are all experiencing very worrying declines in birth rate, below replacement. India hasn't got there yet but they are finally experiencing a slowdown in their growth and will soon also begin to decline. The U.S. is shrinking among the productive, with a growing parasite class.
The projection of these trends is extremely concerning, because the drop in birthrates is among the smartest and most productive humans, those who maintain civilization.
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The projection of these trends is extremely concerning, because the drop in birthrates is among the smartest and most productive humans, those who maintain civilization.
Again, I reference the movie "Idiocracy'.
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I can tell you one group with a population that is not decreasing.
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I can tell you one group with a population that is not decreasing.
Illegals in the U.S.
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Illegals in the U.S.
Nope, or maybe partially.