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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on January 03, 2021, 07:01:35 AM
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So has Gov Abrams certified the winners yet?
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So has Gov Abrams certified the winners yet?
Tomorrow
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Tomorrow
I thought the election was the day after tomorrow.
Or are you saying that "Governor Abrams" will call it whenever she feels like it?
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I thought the election was the day after tomorrow.
Or are you saying that "Governor Abrams" will call it whenever she feels like it?
Why not? They already know the results. Just like AZ, they'll call before hardly any precincts report.
Our new form of elections eliminates the guess work.
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I heard yesterday that 135,000 people early voted in these two GA senate races that DIDN’T vote on the 11/3 presidential election.
The fix is already in.
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I personally believe, if you didn't vote in the general election you should not get to vote in the run off.
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I heard yesterday that 135,000 people early voted in these two GA senate races that DIDN’T vote on the 11/3 presidential election.
The fix is already in.
You're saying that you think Republicans suck at getting the vote out? Whose fault is that?
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You're saying that you think Republicans suck at getting the vote out? Whose fault is that?
Getting the vote out isn’t the issue. Mail in ballots are the ones loaded for the Dems and the reason is obvious, it’s way easier to cheat. You are blaming a Republican loss on the Republicans themselves for not “getting out to vote” when the real reason for Republican loss is massive Democrat cheating.
The media is already prepping the idiot public to expect a repeat of November, because this is now “normal”: the Rs will be ahead today, then the Ds will overcome after all the mail ins are finished being counted.
It’s blatant Fuck You, America, we’re stealing this thing and there’s nothing you can do about it. (Thanks covid!)
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Water main break scheduled for Fulton county later today.
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So, once again...if you know they are cheating, show it. There are so many eyes on Georgia right now that I don't see how anyone can cheat.
I know you're an educated woman, you're better than falling back on "they're cheating".
The unfortunate fact remains that Georgia has some very permissive voter registration laws and the people voting are probably legitimate under Georgia law. They might also later commit a felony by not remaining in Georgia, but that does not nullify their vote. That is not cheating, it is in compliance with the law and Republicans had the opportunity to do the same thing.
Personally, I think the Georgia law is stupid and begs for abuse - I would modify it at a minimum to disallow additional registrations for a runoff. But someone who moved into Georgia to vote has done nothing illegal yet, although it's fraudulent if you can prove that they didn't actually move. However, the legal assumption of innocence says they are in compliance unless YOU prove they didn't. We could change that by making an assumption of guilt, that would be in line with Republican's accusations, but I wouldn't be in favor of that.
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Getting the vote out isn’t the issue. Mail in ballots are the ones loaded for the Dems and the reason is obvious, it’s way easier to cheat. You are blaming a Republican loss on the Republicans themselves for not “getting out to vote” when the real reason for Republican loss is massive Democrat cheating.
Alternative explanation: 45 has convinced massive numbers of Republican voters that their vote can only be trusted to count if they vote in person. Ergo, mail-in ballots are heavily skewed toward the Dems.
Of course, I don't know for certain any more than you do. But given that my guiding principle in politics is Hanlon's razor, I'll go with the alternative explanation.
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So, once again...if you know they are cheating, show it. There are so many eyes on Georgia right now that I don't see how anyone can cheat.
I know you're an educated woman, you're better than falling back on "they're cheating".
The unfortunate fact remains that Georgia has some very permissive voter registration laws and the people voting are probably legitimate under Georgia law. They might also later commit a felony by not remaining in Georgia, but that does not nullify their vote. That is not cheating, it is in compliance with the law and Republicans had the opportunity to do the same thing.
Personally, I think the Georgia law is stupid and begs for abuse - I would modify it at a minimum to disallow additional registrations for a runoff. But someone who moved into Georgia to vote has done nothing illegal yet, although it's fraudulent if you can prove that they didn't actually move. However, the legal assumption of innocence says they are in compliance unless YOU prove they didn't. We could change that by making an assumption of guilt, that would be in line with Republican's accusations, but I wouldn't be in favor of that.
That entire diatribe shows you haven't been keeping up with what has happened in Georgia.
Several voting machines were examined and shown to have unusually high "error" rates. Forensic analysis said those rates were intentionally placed there.
Several surveillance videos have been produced clearly showing individuals running fake ballots through tabulators.
Underaged votes.
66.247
Failed to reregister moving from one county to another
40.279
Voted in GA but changed address before the election.
15.700
Dead people voted.
10.315
Registered in another state but voted in GA
4.926
Ballots send to voters too early.
2.664
Felons voted illegally.
2.560
Unregistered voters
2.423
Voted in GA, but registered in another state.
395
Ballots registered too late.
98
All of the above vote totals are against the GA election laws and not due to "permissive voter laws". Also, ballot rejection rate dropped from an average 3.5% to just .34% this year.
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Alternative explanation: 45 has convinced massive numbers of Republican voters that their vote can only be trusted to count if they vote in person. Ergo, mail-in ballots are heavily skewed toward the Dems.
Of course, I don't know for certain any more than you do. But given that my guiding principle in politics is Hanlon's razor, I'll go with the alternative explanation.
I think you aren't applying the principle correctly.
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A batch of 13k+ ballots had 105k+ adjudicated. Anyone have an answer for that?
What is the logical answer for the video in Fulton County showing the one lady feeding a batch of ballots in the scanner then taking them out realigning them on the desk and feeding them back in, several times?
Why was there one table with a drape on it that had ballot cases underneath it that were brought out to be counted when the observers cleared out?
Why won't the SoS allow a signature audit in Fulton and DeKalb County?
Why haven't the absentee ballots that Senate Subcommittee asked for been provided to Jovan Pulitzer to be checked?
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Voted this morning, four minutes in and out.
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A batch of 13k+ ballots had 105k+ adjudicated. Anyone have an answer for that?
What is the logical answer for the video in Fulton County showing the one lady feeding a batch of ballots in the scanner then taking them out realigning them on the desk and feeding them back in, several times?
Why was there one table with a drape on it that had ballot cases underneath it that were brought out to be counted when the observers cleared out?
Why won't the SoS allow a signature audit in Fulton and DeKalb County?
Why haven't the absentee ballots that Senate Subcommittee asked for been provided to Jovan Pulitzer to be checked?
Because the laws are not restrictive and the poll workers are just being to lax. But still no evidence they did anything fraudulent. Just being sloppy.
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Because the laws are not restrictive and the poll workers are just being to lax. But still no evidence they did anything fraudulent. Just being sloppy.
Very poor sarcasm, because that's almost certainly what it is. If you can prove otherwise, I'll be right there with you demanding that it be fixed.
But you can't, can you? You're just stirring the shit pot because that's what you do.
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Very poor sarcasm, because that's almost certainly what it is. If you can prove otherwise, I'll be right there with you demanding that it be fixed.
But you can't, can you? You're just stirring the shit pot because that's what you do.
All you've been able to do is regurgitate MSM talking points and you clearly don't understand what's going on.
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Very poor sarcasm, because that's almost certainly what it is. If you can prove otherwise, I'll be right there with you demanding that it be fixed.
But you can't, can you? You're just stirring the shit pot because that's what you do.
Have you really not seen enough "coincidences" to warrant a real, official investigation?
Think of all the spurious charges Dems made against Reps that resulted in Congressional investigations (and impeachments) over the past few decades. Why is it always one-way? Do you really think only Rs should be investigated?
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You're saying that you think Republicans suck at getting the vote out? Whose fault is that?
Are you really that ignorant, or are you just trolling now?
Have you not heard about Pretend Governor Stacey Abrams’-founded group “The New Georgia Project” registering people from New York and other out of state locations?
https://www.westernjournal.com/abrams-founded-group-investigation-allegedly-soliciting-voter-registrations-dead-state-individuals/
“Authorities are also looking into “Operation New Voter Registration Georgia, who is telling college students in Georgia that they can change their residency to Georgia and then change it back after the election,” Raffensperger said.
“Let me be very clear again, voting in Georgia when you are not a resident of Georgia is a felony, and encouraging college kids to commit felonies with no regard for what it might mean for them is despicable.”
“The secretary of state’s office detailed several instances of The New Georgia Project allegedly soliciting registrations from people who live out of state or who are deceased, according to Fox News.
“One Fulton County resident reported receiving five postcards from the group seeking to register “the same dead person,” and a Cherokee County resident said his spouse, who is ineligible to vote, received a registration solicitation.
“A resident of New York City said she received a “package of postcards” from The New Georgia Project encouraging people to register to vote in the Georgia Senate runoffs, Fox reported.
“These third-party groups have a responsibility to not encourage illegal voting. If they do so, they will be held responsible,” Raffensperger said.”
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Have you really not seen enough "coincidences" to warrant a real, official investigation?
Think of all the spurious charges Dems made against Reps that resulted in Congressional investigations (and impeachments) over the past few decades. Why is it always one-way? Do you really think only Rs should be investigated?
One single whistleblower caused 3 years of investigations and an impeachment of a president, despite overwhelming evidence of literally nothing worthy of impeachment.
Thousands of witnesses who signed sworn affidavits needed to have their cases investigated, tried in a court of law, and convicted in a matter of days or weeks, or else bflynn and the MSM will say that you are just stirring up the shit pot, and there is no “there” there.
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Are you really that ignorant, or are you just trolling now?
Have you not heard about Pretend Governor Stacey Abrams’-founded group “The New Georgia Project” registering people from New York and other out of state locations?
Of course I have. The SoS is investigating them. If it's determined there is sufficient evidence to prove they've broken the law, then people will be charged with a crime.
Presumption of guilt does not apply. We don't fly off the handle and punish people because we KNOW they're guilty. I mean, she must be, just look at her!
An accusation means the person is still presumed to be innocent. An investigation means the person is still presumed to be innocent. Testimony in court means the person is still presumed to be innocent. A guilty verdict in court means you are guilty. That is how a Republic operates.
Good grief, have you guys lost your minds? Have you forgotten civics 101?
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One single whistleblower caused 3 years of investigations and an impeachment of a president, despite overwhelming evidence of literally nothing worthy of impeachment.
Thousands of witnesses who signed sworn affidavits needed to have their cases investigated, tried in a court of law, and convicted in a matter of days or weeks, or else bflynn and the MSM will say that you are just stirring up the shit pot, and there is no “there” there.
No, sure, I'll tell you what. You identify the people and we'll just line them all up and shoot them? Too harsh, ok, we'll just put them in jail until we get around to trying them. Maybe we'll just shoot them first and try them later? Would that satisfy your thirst for "justice"?
Let me be very bold here: YOU ARE NOT GETTING THE ELECTION OVERTURNED. It is childish and immature to continue to try to fight that, it's one of the reasons I left here for a few weeks. If there were individuals who committed fraud, then identify them, get them convicted and get them out of the election world.
The simple facts are that it's over. But if you're not accepting that, then you ARE stirring the shit pot because you can't accomplish anything else.
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Since Biden stated that if people vote a cetain way, he will give them $2000, can we start impeachment proceedings on Jan. 21?
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We don't fly off the handle and punish people because we KNOW they're guilty. I mean, she must be, just look at her!
An accusation means the person is still presumed to be innocent. An investigation means the person is still presumed to be innocent. Testimony in court means the person is still presumed to be innocent. A guilty verdict in court means you are guilty. That is how a Republic operates.
Good grief, have you guys lost your minds? Have you forgotten civics 101?
Police arrest and incarcerate people all the time based only on probable cause. Presumption of innocence or guilt simply doesn’t come into play.
Likewise, if the government shutters your business or mandates you wear a mask in public, it doesn’t matter whether your patrons or you are innocent of harboring contagions - you are presumed guilty until such time as the authorities decide you are not guilty. This is the current state of civics 101 that is now being exercised.
It is the special pleading and refusal to apply principles of liberty and justice in a consistent manner that leads to what you think is people losing their minds. They are not. They sense dissembling and are objecting to it.
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Of course I have. The SoS is investigating them. If it's determined there is sufficient evidence to prove they've broken the law, then people will be charged with a crime.
Presumption of guilt does not apply. We don't fly off the handle and punish people because we KNOW they're guilty. I mean, she must be, just look at her!
An accusation means the person is still presumed to be innocent. An investigation means the person is still presumed to be innocent. Testimony in court means the person is still presumed to be innocent. A guilty verdict in court means you are guilty. That is how a Republic operates.
Good grief, have you guys lost your minds? Have you forgotten civics 101?
You seem to believe that until there is a conviction of a person for voter fraud, the result of their fraud must stand. This seems to be your entire premise - fraud can’t be presumed until someone is charged with fraud. Your premise is wrong, and unworkable in the tight timeframe of an election.
There is plenty of solid evidence that can and should be presented in court. The problem is most courts haven’t ruled on evidence, but have avoided allowing the evidence to be presented.
If evidence of fraud has occurred, the courts are free to disqualify ballots that are or may have been the results of fraud. A guilty verdict is NOT a required element for redress. That they haven’t chosen to disqualify such ballots is not a matter of law, but a matter of political implications.
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No, sure, I'll tell you what. You identify the people and we'll just line them all up and shoot them? Too harsh, ok, we'll just put them in jail until we get around to trying them. Maybe we'll just shoot them first and try them later? Would that satisfy your thirst for "justice"?
Let me be very bold here: YOU ARE NOT GETTING THE ELECTION OVERTURNED. It is childish and immature to continue to try to fight that, it's one of the reasons I left here for a few weeks. If there were individuals who committed fraud, then identify them, get them convicted and get them out of the election world.
The simple facts are that it's over. But if you're not accepting that, then you ARE stirring the shit pot because you can't accomplish anything else.
Maybe it won’t be overturned. The likelihood of that is remote. But in the face of the most prevalent fraud in my 40 years of voting, NOT CONTINUING THE FIGHT IS ACQUIESCENCE TO THE RESULTS. Laws have been broken. State laws have been violated in Wisconsin, PA, and elsewhere without consequence, because courts don’t want to do what they have the power to do.
Childish my fucking ass. You may want a warm blanket and a pacifier assuring you that everything is OK, but such a blanket doesn’t exist. You want to feel safe that the Republic is intact, but I assure you the Republic is more at risk today than it has been since 1861.
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. You want to feel safe that the Republic is intact, but I assure you the Republic is more at risk today than it has been since 1861.
It’s not only at risk, if Biden takes office it is already gone. Either the states will split, or the unified U.S. will be as communist totalitarian as China.
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Are you really that ignorant....
YEs he is.
Have you not heard about Pretend Governor Stacey Abrams’-founded group “The New Georgia Project” registering people from New York and other out of state locations?
Noticing the truth doesn't match his agenda, therefor sits a lie.
https://www.westernjournal.com/abrams-founded-group-investigation-allegedly-soliciting-voter-registrations-dead-state-individuals/
“Authorities are also looking into “Operation New Voter Registration Georgia, who is telling college students in Georgia that they can change their residency to Georgia and then change it back after the election,” Raffensperger said.
“Let me be very clear again, voting in Georgia when you are not a resident of Georgia is a felony, and encouraging college kids to commit felonies with no regard for what it might mean for them is despicable.”
“The secretary of state’s office detailed several instances of The New Georgia Project allegedly soliciting registrations from people who live out of state or who are deceased, according to Fox News.
“One Fulton County resident reported receiving five postcards from the group seeking to register “the same dead person,” and a Cherokee County resident said his spouse, who is ineligible to vote, received a registration solicitation.
“A resident of New York City said she received a “package of postcards” from The New Georgia Project encouraging people to register to vote in the Georgia Senate runoffs, Fox reported.
“These third-party groups have a responsibility to not encourage illegal voting. If they do so, they will be held responsible,” Raffensperger said.”
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A batch of 13k+ ballots had 105k+ adjudicated. Anyone have an answer for that?
What is the logical answer for the video in Fulton County showing the one lady feeding a batch of ballots in the scanner then taking them out realigning them on the desk and feeding them back in, several times?
Why was there one table with a drape on it that had ballot cases underneath it that were brought out to be counted when the observers cleared out?
Why won't the SoS allow a signature audit in Fulton and DeKalb County?
Why haven't the absentee ballots that Senate Subcommittee asked for been provided to Jovan Pulitzer to be checked?
I really thought bflynn would answer there since he knows nothing was wrong.
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I really thought bflynn would answer there since he knows nothing was wrong.
I've said before - I don't have a clue and neither do you. The difference is, I recognize that I don't know what happened. You just think you do, except you can't provide any details.
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one has an open mind, one doesn't
you know who you are.
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I guess people are willing to sell their soul for a $2000 check. Sad.
Fasten your seat belts, turbulence ahead.
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Won't matter much now. My youngest son and his family and my oldest sons's wife and two kids will now get the America they have longed for. Likely, the biggest affect on me will be on our savings. I can only hope the effect of the “changing of America” will move slowly enough to not affect me otherwise.
All of you with “leftist” kids and/or grandkids, this is the country they have longed for.
I can remember in the late 50’s and early 60’s my teachers telling me about the evils of communism yet I never could have believed it could happen here.
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I've said before - I don't have a clue
No news there.............
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With the democrats having control of the house, senate, and presidency we can look forward to at least two years of nothing but good news. The MSM will have happy stories about how well the country is run, how powerful and smart Xiden is, how wise the house and senate are. There will be no bad news, all elections will be fair, the virus will be totally under control (but you must stay in your house with a mask on and get a mandatory vaccination). We will move to an all-electric future with all petrol products (fuel, oil, plastics) outlawed. Yes, we're headed into a bright happy future.
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Waiting to see what happens here in Georgia. I wonder is we will be pressured to shut down restaurants and such by having federal dollars withheld if we don't. I'm not sure our Governor has thought this through.
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Waiting to see what happens here in Georgia. I wonder is we will be pressured to shut down restaurants and such by having federal dollars withheld if we don't. I'm not sure our Governor has thought this through.
Your governor hasn't thought too many things through unfortunately.
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Your governor hasn't thought too many things through unfortunately.
Had seem mention of Doug Collins running against him. I suspect now, Collins will run against Warnock for the Senate seat instead. Perhaps Perdue will run for Governor. I suppose we'll see Abrams run as the Democrat candidate against whoever it is. Might need to find another state to live in.
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Had seem mention of Doug Collins running against him. I suspect now, Collins will run against Warnock for the Senate seat instead. Perhaps Perdue will run for Governor. I suppose we'll see Abrams run as the Democrat candidate against whoever it is. Might need to find another state to live in.
Abrams will be your next Governor. They can go ahead and call the 2022 election now. And the GA legislature will go democrat as well.
Kemp and Raffensperger have delivered for the DCP.
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Abrams will be your next Governor. They can go ahead and call the 2022 election now. And the GA legislature will go democrat as well.
Kemp and Raffensperger have delivered for the DCP.
Those two were bought off. Supposedly there’s proof but that’ll go nowhere. That would require a functioning judiciary.
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Abrams will be your next Governor. They can go ahead and call the 2022 election now. And the GA legislature will go democrat as well.
Kemp and Raffensperger have delivered for the DCP.
This shit is out of control.
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This shit is out of control.
When free and fair elections go out the window, this is the result. Just imagine where we would be today if these states and their legislatures had enforced their election laws.
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When free and fair elections go out the window, this is the result. Just imagine where we would be today if these states and their legislatures had enforced their election laws.
We have chaos. lawlessness and the dismantling of our country. We are done, more than done. All we are in for will be more pessimism and doom and gloom that the MEDIA/Democrat Alliance will use to create bigger and bigger, more expensive controlling Government to "solve" all our problems.
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Had seem mention of Doug Collins running against him. I suspect now, Collins will run against Warnock for the Senate seat instead. Perhaps Perdue will run for Governor. I suppose we'll see Abrams run as the Democrat candidate against whoever it is. Might need to find another state to live in.
Fucking Collins and a fucking libertarian caused these run offs. I’m so sick of these vanity-seeking fucktards screwing the country.
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Fucking Collins and a fucking libertarian caused these run offs. I’m so sick of these vanity-seeking fucktards screwing the country.
No blame for Georgia’s requirement for the winner to earn more than 50% of the vote. (Only other state with that requirement appears to be Louisiana.)
No blame for the losing candidate who fails to make their case to the voters in the runoff when the spoilers are no longer a factor.
No blame to the constituents who make selfish short-term vote choices that have long-term negative consequences.
No blame for a Georgia voting system open to fraud.
Once those aspects are disregarded then clearly the blame lies with the selfish and vain spoilers.
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No blame for Georgia’s requirement for the winner to earn more than 50% of the vote. (Only other state with that requirement appears to be Louisiana.)
No blame for the losing candidate who fails to make their case to the voters in the runoff when the spoilers are no longer a factor.
No blame to the constituents who make selfish short-term vote choices that have long-term negative consequences.
No blame for a Georgia voting system open to fraud.
Once those aspects are disregarded then clearly the blame lies with the selfish and vain spoilers.
It’s all fucked up. It’s not an either / or proposition. Sad that “winner” doesn’t mean “winner” in Georgia.
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It’s all fucked up. It’s not an either / or proposition. Sad that “winner” doesn’t mean “winner” in Georgia.
To be clear, I sympathize. It is fucked up.
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Fucking Collins and a fucking libertarian caused these run offs. I’m so sick of these vanity-seeking fucktards screwing the country.
Right! Damn those third parties! Damn those people who didn't bother to vote this time!