PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: LevelWing on May 22, 2016, 03:37:40 PM
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Deep in the heart of a vast U.S. military training ground, surrounded by spent shotgun shells and juniper trees blasted to shreds, the Central Oregon Constitutional Guard was conducting its weekly firearms training.
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Those in the movement call themselves patriots, demanding that the federal government adhere to the Constitution and stop what they see as systematic abuse of land rights, gun rights, freedom of speech and other liberties.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2016/05/21/armed-with-guns-and-constitutions-the-patriot-movement-sees-america-under-threat/
Interesting article.
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So the government is afraid of the militia...
I'd say the 2nd Amendment is working perfectly.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2016/05/21/armed-with-guns-and-constitutions-the-patriot-movement-sees-america-under-threat/
Interesting article.
Indeed it is. I particularly like the video segment where the militia's position on the constitutionality of federal government ownership of land is questioned and then there is a video rebuttal to that argument. A nice touch by the Washington Post. The rebuttal by the 'law professor" was valid, but it was also pretty weak.
I want to support these types of groups, but when they start spreading stupid conspiracy theories as fact and fundamentalist beliefs, they expose themselves as the ignorant, paranoid people they are. If there were to be a war with the government, I would want educated, intelligent, grounded people on my side.
Having said that, I'm really glad firearms sales is strong and that AR-15 clones outsell everything else. This fact alone makes it less and less likely that the government will ever actually try to disarm us. They know that any attempt to confiscate weapons would end in a huge insurgent movement and the streets of America would look like the streets of Fallujah in Iraq did when the Marines went in.
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I firmly believe that there are significant far left elected officials who can't wait for an insurrection to justify suspending the constitution and giving themselves martial law powers, which would quickly be used to fleece the wealthy of their money.
Power is what drives the left. It is not policy. They amass power through the courts, weak idiots like President Obama, and outright frauds like John Roberts.
Their scorecard is power, but their lust is for money and the power to live like feudal lords.
An uprising would be all it took to pull the cork out of the bottle and let liberty go down in flames in favor of the new Marxist government of the left.
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I firmly believe that there are significant far left elected officials who can't wait for an insurrection to justify suspending the constitution and giving themselves martial law powers, which would quickly be used to fleece the wealthy of their money.
Power is what drives the left. It is not policy. They amass power through the courts, weak idiots like President Obama, and outright frauds like John Roberts.
Their scorecard is power, but their lust is for money and the power to live like feudal lords.
An uprising would be all it took to pull the cork out of the bottle and let liberty go down in flames in favor of the new Marxist government of the left.
I'm not so sure it would play out like that. I don't disagree that the left would love an excuse to ban and confiscate all weapons from citizens but if you take into account the amount of privately owned weapons, that would be nearly impossible. Add to that that you would need someone to actually take the guns. While there are absolutely some military and law enforcement that would carry out these orders, not all and I don't think that many would. They're citizens just like us and many own weapons as well.
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I'm not so sure it would play out like that. I don't disagree that the left would love an excuse to ban and confiscate all weapons from citizens but if you take into account the amount of privately owned weapons, that would be nearly impossible. Add to that that you would need someone to actually take the guns. While there are absolutely some military and law enforcement that would carry out these orders, not all and I don't think that many would. They're citizens just like us and many own weapons as well.
I think nearly all police and military would carry out their orders perfectly... until the shooting started. Once people started dying and troops would have to show up with squads in full armor and armored vehicles, many would question just what the hell is going on in our country. Many of them would wake up to the "transformation" of America and reflect upon where we have been and how we got here.
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I think nearly all police and military would carry out their orders perfectly... until the shooting started. Once people started dying and troops would have to show up with squads in full armor and armored vehicles, many would question just what the hell is going on in our country. Many of them would wake up to the "transformation" of America and reflect upon where we have been and how we got here.
There are a lot of sheriffs that have come out and said they would not enforce unconstitutional laws. I think you'll see a lot more of this if we come closer to mass civil unrest to the point where it looks like the military is going to get involved on U.S. soil.
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I think nearly all police and military would carry out their orders perfectly... until the shooting started. Once people started dying and troops would have to show up with squads in full armor and armored vehicles, many would question just what the hell is going on in our country. Many of them would wake up to the "transformation" of America and reflect upon where we have been and how we got here.
I hope you're right, but it did not happen en masse in Nazi Germany. Even in Occupied France a certain number of the police just followed the orders of their new masters.
Hopefully there's something fundamentally different about the American psyche. But when I see how quickly a large number of Americans have latched onto what I see as an authoritarian figure, I have to worry.
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I hope you're right, but it did not happen en masse in Nazi Germany. Even in Occupied France a certain number of the police just followed the orders of their new masters.
Hopefully there's something fundamentally different about the American psyche. But when I see how quickly a large number of Americans have latched onto what I see as an authoritarian figure, I have to worry.
Me too. It seems to be proven over and over again throughout history, that when times seem bad, people demand an authoritarian dictator and blindly follow them. It never ends well.
Fortunately we still have somewhat of a functioning republic. That has protected us from tyrants. When we really need to be scared is when a large number of congress become blind Trump followers. That's when the republic falls.
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That's when the republic falls.
With respect, the republic falls when the rule of law is abused. We are well into that already. When The People can no longer trust that government is protecting their rights via fair and equal application of the law, then they resort to seeking to replace the government. It is the pattern of how it happens and the only thing worse than a failing Republic will be the government that follows it.
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I think it is a coin toss as to how the police and military would act in a rebellion. Many would just follow orders, but I hope some would refuse to obey un-Constitutional orders. As someone else said the Left is about POWER, and control, and this country is far more leftist than anytime in history thanks to the brainwashing of education, the media, and government.
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I think nearly all police and military would carry out their orders perfectly... until the shooting started. Once people started dying and troops would have to show up with squads in full armor and armored vehicles, many would question just what the hell is going on in our country. Many of them would wake up to the "transformation" of America and reflect upon where we have been and how we got here.
1-3% might question orders. Germany had a problem with too many questioning orders until they changed their educational system. Now we have that same system. Good luck with the 97%
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1-3% might question orders. Germany had a problem with too many questioning orders until they changed their educational system. Now we have that same system. Good luck with the 97%
We are not Germany.
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1-3% might question orders. Germany had a problem with too many questioning orders until they changed their educational system. Now we have that same system. Good luck with the 97%
You were once military, no? When you were serving, would you have obeyed if your commanding officer ordered you to take a squad to Ferguson MO. with armored vehicles, locked and loaded, full body armor and go door to door disarming all the citizens by force with authorization to return fire if necessary? Were you 3%, or 97%?
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We are not Germany.
Germany wasn't Germany - until it was.